FIREFLY EPISODE DISCUSSIONS

Who do you identify with (and why)?

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Tuesday, April 14, 2009 8:45 PM

ANOTHERSKY


Which character in the verse? firefly and/or serenity.

I don't mean "who do you laugh at", or "who do you admire" or "who would you find yourself attracted to for love, lust or friendship". This is not a "what character are you" quiz.

I mean deep-down, gut-level, what character do you most relate to, who do you UNDERSTAND, "connect with" and why? You may have to look in unconventional places.

This can be anybody on the show, though main crew probably has the most thorough examples.

Have a go...

EDIT: and what connects you to them?


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Wednesday, April 15, 2009 8:57 AM

DREAMTROVE


Jayne and Simon. Jayne for his brash no nonsense attitude, Simon for his detached analytical viewpoint. I guess together they fail to communicate or play well with others.

Second, I also identify with River because she's crazy, and Kaylee for being also no nonsense, and often the unappreciated workhorse of the machine, a decent viewpoint char. I don't relate very well to the other characters, even if I like them, or get where they're coming from.

I'm slightly disturbed by the fact that the only person on Heroes I actually like is Sylar, now that they've iced Tracy [sic(k)] and Daphne. I intensely dislike the petrellis.

I relate to Xander and Giles. I don't really relate to anyone on Angel, but I sympathize with Wes and Lorne.

I can't relate to anyone on dollhouse.

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Tuesday, May 5, 2009 11:08 AM

SHINYSAHARA


I don't know that there's one particular character in full that I identify with. There are parts of most of them them that I identify with.
Actually, strike that. I prolly most identify with Zoe. She's direct and does what needs to be done. She "gets" the emotional side of things, you know? She chooses her battles and the ones she picks, she does well. (Actually, that's more something I strive for, rather than do well.)

"Your mouth is talking. You might want to look to that."

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Tuesday, May 5, 2009 12:40 PM

KPO

Anti-Russia before it was cool.


Mal mainly. My favourite character in the entire world of fiction.

Also a little bit River, as being always a little bit detached from other humans.

Heads should roll

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Tuesday, May 5, 2009 1:35 PM

RALLEM


I mostly relate to Shepard Book, in that I usually am an observer of the things going on around me and I have a deep faith in God even though I am not a church goer. I also have a storied past. I only wish I had that much hair.



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Tuesday, May 5, 2009 3:48 PM

FREMDFIRMA


Kaylee.

But then, imma gearhead without much in the way of prudery or personal hangups myself, so, ehhh.

otoh - I *WILL* shoot you, twice, in the head.

-F

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Tuesday, May 5, 2009 4:46 PM

AGENTROUKA


Inara.

It really jumped out at me from the start, and it's a mix of things, but mainly her way of interacting with the world. A very peaceful and loving, but at the same time detached position within a group. She focuses on herself as an individual first, then on her ties to other people, and she feels both the upsides and downsides of it.

The show examines this choice of hers without judging it, which I really appreciated.

That, and her sense of morality. The preference of logic and debate to judgment or coercion. She never stops questioning and doesn't lower her standards, but she does respect other people's point of view and her own limitations.

I really just had an instant sense of personal understanding of her character based on these things.

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Tuesday, May 5, 2009 4:49 PM

SHINYVERA2517


I'd say Wash. I tend to be a smart ass and try to diffuse tense situations with humor. Also, Wash is loyal to his 'crew' and cares/worries about them very much (as in the scene -forget which episode- where Simon tells him not to worry about him and he says that he's already worrying about Zoe so it's not that far for him to go to worry about Simon). ...... but mostly because of the using humor to lighten the mood thing!!!

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"He was mostly brave.....MOSTLY??!?!...he was brave..."

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Tuesday, May 5, 2009 5:04 PM

VETERAN

Don't squat with your spurs on.


Quote:

Originally posted by AnotherSky:
Which character in the verse? firefly and/or serenity.

.... who do you UNDERSTAND, "connect with" and why? ...EDIT: and what connects you to them?




I'd have to go with Wash and Zoe. Mainly because their marriage is similar to mine (sans the special forces training).

Years ago when my wife and I walked down the street we could literally stop traffic. Enter a restaurant and a hush would fall over the room. It was as if we were green. All of a sudden in 2002 we're on TV.

It ain't easy being green.

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Tuesday, May 5, 2009 5:34 PM

PLATONIST


Inara



She's a beautiful contrast of East and West (I've worked and lived in both)

She celebrates femininity, and gives it value and respect.

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Tuesday, May 5, 2009 5:53 PM

KAREL

Flying on duct tape and a damaged registry.


I most identify with Wash, because that is what all the "Which Firefly Character Are You?" thingys tell me who I am.


"Whatever is wrong with you is so right for me." -- Marillion.

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Tuesday, May 5, 2009 8:04 PM

RIVERDANCER


I would have to say River. I'm not as gifted nor as insane, but I have my measure of gifted and an outlook that is usually viewed as.. odd. Emotions cut deep. Little things can set me off, and little things can make me happy. I have some regular sensations of moving around in a bubble: wanting to touch something but not being able to, trying to communicate while my words just wash over gray forms without touching them. Those who love me sometimes seemed burdened by me, or wary of me. At least River knows better than I do why that is. I'm easiest to ignore until I stop being quiet, and then I'm easiest to fear. No one seems sure if I'm fragile or strong, if I need help or should be given a wide berth, even if I tell them.
I related to River almost immediately. She's an outrageously overblown version, but she's me. Joss is very good at taking things real people experience every day and inflating them for a story that seems far too fantastic to be hitting nerves like that, it's his genius.

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Wednesday, May 6, 2009 12:37 AM

RIPWASH


I started a thread like this a while ago to say that, in an odd way, I really related to Tracey. A simple guy trying to get along in a 'Verse where he just can't seem to find his place. I've found myself in that situation more than once. People around me getting better jobs, doing well for themselves and there I am, feeling like I'm struggling or not being able to get my life together.

In a "feel good" way, I relate to Wash because of his sense of humor. He's the kind of guy I'd want as a close friend. Very easy going but at the same time, the best at what he does.

Mal: You think she'll hold together?
Zoë: She's torn up plenty, but she'll fly true.
Mal: Could be bumpy.
Zoë: Always is

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Wednesday, May 6, 2009 9:08 AM

PHOENIXROSE

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.


Wow, Dancer, some of that... quite a bit of that... is a fair description of why I relate to River, as well. Maybe you have some of her reading abilities, too.
I always test as Zoe. I think I aspire more than really relating. Her loyalty and devotion are probably what we have most in common. I've related to both of them, since I discovered the series.

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Wednesday, May 6, 2009 9:20 AM

JONGSSTRAW


A few years ago I would have said I'm like Mal, bold and adventurous. But now the answer has to be Book. Maybe it comes with getting older, or maybe it comes from just not wanting to get in trouble any more, either in my personal life or at work. I like helping folks and I like the simple quiet life now. My days of taking everything so seriously have certainly come to a middle.

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Wednesday, May 6, 2009 9:09 PM

BEATLESFAN


I'd say Wash and Simon.

I'm a smart aleck. Not gonna lie. Ask anyone who knows me and they'll tell you that I crack jokes, even (or maybe especially) when it's not necessarily appropriate.

Simon, though, I relate to in terms of his dedication to family over all else. There's pretty much nothing I wouldn't sacrifice to keep my family, ESPECIALLY my brother, out of harm's way.

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Wednesday, May 6, 2009 10:03 PM

THESOMNAMBULIST


Mal. Not because he's all heroic and brave or anythng, but mostly because I would do anything to look after my dear old crew. Same in life. My friends who I've known all these years mean the world to me and I'd do just about anything to keep us all together.

I also have trouble accepting the accepted and can be very questioning of what is perceived as 'proper' or the thing to do. I wouldn't necessarily fight it head on, but I may just take myself to some far off place and live my own way.

Also Wash because I like wearing Hawaiian shirts -


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Friday, May 8, 2009 1:25 PM

MYCOATISBROWN


For me, it would have to be Simon. I consider myself a very protective older brother and would do anything for my sister. Also, I'm a bit of Wash - kooky and loveable.

“Yes, I am an artist. I have things to say etc., etc., suffering, blah, blah, blah, but at the same time I’m a fan. It’s a huge part of who I am, it’s a huge part of why I do this. It’s not to make things that people like - it’s never to make things people like. It’s only to make things that they love.”
-Joss Whedon

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Saturday, May 9, 2009 4:50 AM

SCHISM


Mal.

I'd like to say "Mal, cos like me, he's so dashing and brave and funny".

But in truth it's "Mal, cos like me he lost whatever faith he had before and now finds the notion of belief contemptible and a negative trait in otherwise good and noble people."

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Saturday, May 9, 2009 8:10 PM

TRAVELER

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Thursday, May 14, 2009 9:40 PM

VERASAMUELS


JAYNE!

He's tough, a little rough around the edges and sexy as heck :-). Yes, I know he was an idiot in 'Ariel', but he learned his lesson. By the BDM, he's a big gorram hero.

Devout Keeper of Jayne's Lunchbox

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Thursday, May 14, 2009 10:40 PM

RIVERDANCER


That seems much less 'identifying with' and much more 'lusting after' to me. Not that there's anything wrong with that, per se, but it's not really the current topic.

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Friday, May 15, 2009 12:34 AM

PATIENCEHEAVYHORSE


Mal, definitely - I've always felt he was a character I connected with on an unusually deep level from any sort of lore. Not because I'm cool and dashing, but because I'm a cynic on the exterior but a softy at heart. Also, I'm someone who is independently oriented and likes my space (pun intended) and am very particular about what friends I let get close to me and consider "family," but am fiercely loyal to and protective of those I care about. The individualistic, freedom-loving pioneer spirit he embodies really resonates with me as well, as I'm sure it does with most browncoats.

"Let me make this abundantly clear... I do the job, and I get paid - biaaaatch!" :)

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Sunday, May 31, 2009 12:27 AM

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The one I say I identify the most with is Simon. I don't have a younger sibling(I'm the youngest),But if I did, and they were put in danger,I would be out for blood. Plus I'm in the medical field, also.

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Sunday, May 31, 2009 2:14 AM

DROOLINGMONKEY


I'd really like to say Jayne. He's uncomplicated, dismayingly (to himself) loyal, free-spirited, and pretty easygoing, so long as there are girls, guns, and excitement.
However, it is River that I really identify with. Oh not any of the physical attributes (I'm a boy, size large, with the gymnastic ability of a carrot), but rather in the overall outlook. Despite my advanced years, I take childlike wonder in the 'verse that surrounds me every day. I worry, not for myself but for others around me that may be affected by me. I feel part of a family, but also stand alone, facing an unknown future that both excites and scares me.
Also, I can probably kill you with my brain. I'm fairly confident of this, but I haven't found anyone worth trying it out on. Yet.

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Monday, June 1, 2009 12:42 PM

BROWNCOAT01


That's what's so cool about these characters. There's no way you can watch them and not relate to at least one of them.

Still flyin

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Monday, June 1, 2009 9:12 PM

LEOPARDFLAN


Hum... Kaylee. Most of the time, she's having fun, absorbing the world, and being all bright and smily- but there are times when she feels horribly inadequate, or unsure of herself, or wishing she was stronger so she could protect those she loves. She also has 'liberal' views on sex (i.e., it's something to have fun with, pure and simple), but doesn't like drama (like having to try and get Simon to realize that she likes him without outright telling him because he might reject her)...

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Sunday, June 7, 2009 3:51 PM

GRIPPER


Tough call...I could see a bit of me in Jayne,Book AND Mal.
I'm am ex-Grunt,family had ties to Benedcitine Monastic community,had somewhat of a checkered/gray area past with a few bad habits( thank God for 'em all! They make things interesting)...just pick the worst traits of all three,and ...well ;based on my mean streak;Niska-now THERE was a guy who could hold a grudge(only kidding!)

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Tuesday, June 16, 2009 6:29 PM

PHOENIXROSE

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.


The more I think on it (and the more I re-watch Buffy) the more I have to say Willow is the Jossverse character I relate to the most. No only Jossverse, actually. I relate to Willow more than I think I relate to any other character ever. She was awkward and geeky in her high school days, much like me. She vastly prefers the pursuit of actual learning in college to the vapid atmosphere of high school, much like me. She likes computers and magic, much like me. She's been attracted to and fallen in love with both men and women, much like me. Losing those loves devastated her beyond expression, which I suppose is much like most people, but something I certainly felt in my guts when I was watching it, in a way I didn't feel with any other characters on any show. Her expressions of pain, from the tiniest tear to the most violent explosion of rage, speak to my own pain, past and present. And when she loses it, she really loses it, and fears she'll never be able to relate to people again. Love is the only thing that brings her back from all the brinks and even literal chasms of her life, another thing I feel in my bones. Oh, and plus, I'm not convinced she's a natural redhead, but that's okay, I think it works well on both of us

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Tuesday, June 23, 2009 4:04 AM

MIKEWILLIAMSON


Jayne in a lot of ways. I HAVE been in a position to say, "Sure would be nice if we had a few ____!" after being ordered not to bring things.

I try not to be that deliberately obnoxious, but I understand the use of it.

I've done a lot of Kaylee--duct tape and spit on beat up equipment that has to be fixed NOW.

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CONTACT WITH CHAOS, Apr 09 from Baen Books
BETTER TO BEG FORGIVENESS..., Nov 07 from Baen Books
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Wednesday, June 24, 2009 4:04 PM

ODESSA762


Jayne ... opportunistic, uncomplicated and plain-spoken. Sees a way through/forward and gives it a try. If it doesn't work out, find something else to try. Jayne is always looking out for himself - he realizes that no one else will. He recognizes an opportunity when presented with one.

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Saturday, June 27, 2009 3:51 PM

FOLLOWMAL


Zoe. I try to be very loyal and honorable and I see these traits in Zoe and admire them.

Plus my father was very military and I think I have a bit of that, despite never having served.

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Saturday, June 27, 2009 4:36 PM

CHRISISALL


Wash, on my better days. But mainly Mal, because I've come so close to losing faith in all things. I can, at times, see life as merely getting the next job done to see the coin. I would die for my beliefs, if I had any beyond getting through the next emotional rough patch.
I guess that's why I goof around so much, I feel adrift in a sea of uncertainty in my 'Verse.
If I only had a tall ship, and a star to steer her by... or just a Firefly...
with a working catalyzer...

"Love keeps her in the air..."

*depressed mode off*

Wash, because he's semi-muscular & loves his Wife!


The laughing Chrisisall

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Saturday, June 27, 2009 4:37 PM

CHRISISALL


stuttering cortex induced double post...!

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Wednesday, July 1, 2009 10:49 PM

PLAINJAYNE


I have to say that if Jayne an Kaylee got together and got down, I'd be the frightening result of their illicit relations....

Yeah, I know...nightmares...

Day late an'a dollar short...Story of my ruttin' life!

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Saturday, July 11, 2009 3:58 PM

BLACKJACK68


Mal. I've never seen another character in anything whom I identify with more.

I'm 41, my "glory days" are over. I lost faith in everyone and everything long ago. Any plans I had ended with my marriage a little over a year ago, now I'm just kinda floating around out here, and I just want to keep flyin..... and nothin' ever "goes smooth".

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Saturday, July 11, 2009 4:28 PM

DEADLOCKVICTIM



I, like Mal, have lost faith.....

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Sunday, July 12, 2009 4:29 PM

YERSINIA


Mal (even though I'm female) mostly, but River too...that's why those two are my favorite Firefly characters.

I see myself as being like Mal because I lost faith (er, well, hope and optimism are probably a better descriptor of what I lost, because I hold faith in the supernatural in contempt), I question everything, "me and mine" is my first priority, I don't trust the government, and I've had a somewhat colorful job history (even though I never did anything illegal). Oh, and I can't stand formal social occasions.

But also, since there is such a "definite oddness" to me (when I was younger, I was flamboyantly weird). Also, when I decide to learn something I tend to do it fast and get into deep details and come off like a genius, I'm like River!

~Yersinia.


"Call me if anyone interesting shows up."

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Monday, July 13, 2009 2:42 AM

DEADLOCKVICTIM


Quote:

I, like Mal, have lost faith.....


just to clarify.... i have lost faith in the entire entertainment industry. I have no hope that there will be another television program to equal Firefly - and the constant regurgitating of the same stale movie based on cartoons is incredulous. If not for well written novels and the inter-webs I would have nothing for stimulating entertainment .... sigh, why did i buy that huge flat screen tv...?? (to watch blade runner over and over??)

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Thursday, July 16, 2009 3:53 AM

ROBSAD79


I would say Kaylee and Wash. I just to look at the brightside of everything. I always try to be happy. I'm like Wash with the sense of humor.

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Wednesday, August 5, 2009 9:28 AM

VERAVERA


Zoe. I'm a "beast" at work...can lift just as much (sometimes more) than the guys. I'm reserved until you make me mad...but i'm also very compassionate...and i can kick your ass.

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Wednesday, September 30, 2009 8:47 AM

ANOTHERSKY


I have to say, people's gut-levels to these people are pretty interesting. How people see themselves, make connections.

New question: If you had to BE(ie live the exact life of) one person on Serenity, who would it be (pre or post Serenity); does this differ and why from who you most identify with?

Going for a ride.

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Tuesday, October 6, 2009 7:31 AM

GOLDBRICK


Wash, who is possibly the closest to normal of any in the crew, and has the fewest secrets.

He has a high level of responsibility without being in charge. That's how I like to work too.

His humor and humanity balance against Mal's and Jayne's tendency to use violence as a first resort.

And I doubt he'd be part of a sometimes criminal enterprise or even pilot a small, nearly obsolete freighter if not for his willingness to compromise his own career potential to be with Zoe, and I've done the same for my wife.

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Tuesday, October 6, 2009 11:29 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Mal, no question.

I work for myself, and lost what faith I may have had in God, Gods, a supreme being.

There are other traits, but that pretty much covers the basics.



The T.Rex they call JANE!


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Tuesday, December 14, 2010 11:34 PM

TOADSMOOTHY


Quote:

Originally posted by AnotherSky:
...what character do you most relate to, who do you UNDERSTAND, "connect with" and why?



Mal.

After life kicks you around and you figure out that the cause is hopeless, one loses faith.

I've been married and divorced. I've made homes and lost them. My family is either dead or distant. In this recent economic downturn my wife and I lost everything. No help from the government. But, we "keep on flyin'." It's sheer stubbornness of will and refusing to surrender in the face of utter defeat.

...and that's what I see in Mal.

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Wednesday, December 15, 2010 12:26 AM

THEHAPPYTRADER


Mostly Simon. I am a devoted and protective big brother, despite the fact that my lil sis can probably kick my and most other people's butt (she is a marine after all). I like to believe I'm fairly inteligent but, and this may come as a surprise, I am not very good at talking to girls lol.

The rest of my is more Mal. I grew up in a country enviornment in the south (US) much as I 'spect Mal did, and have learned to adapt quickly and work with next to nothing (maybe that bit is a Kaylee trait). I have lost my faith in governments and people in general, but not in God.

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Wednesday, December 15, 2010 5:32 AM

CORTEXOVERRIDE


I would definitely say Mr. Universe. I've basically been that guy my entire life. As far as I can remember.

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Wednesday, December 15, 2010 8:57 AM

MINCINGBEAST


The Reavers.

I identify with their aggression, fashion sense and nihilism.

Also, they killed Wash, for which I am grateful. And envious.

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Monday, December 20, 2010 4:16 PM

GREENKA61


I've pretty much come to the conclusion that my purpose in life is to make certain that everyone makes it home alive from the party, so sometimes I'm like Mal, and sometimes I’m like Zoe.

Like Zoe, I am loyal and generally honest, reserved, and introspective. I have a dry sense of humor. I don't suffer fools lightly, but I also pick my fights carefully. No sense in winning a battle only to lose the war.

On the other hand, like Mal, I've gotten really good at keeping people at arm's length, but I've also reached the age where I'm beginning to question why. I don't lack spirituality, but I am deeply suspicious of religion, or more specifically, the motives of those who claim to hold to religion but have somehow missed the humanity and grace it is supposed to endow.

I am comfortable and capable of doing "captainy things" in any library, but I am damn glad I am not a school administrator. That would just be answering to too many masters. I am happy to do a job, but get the hell out of my way when I am doing it. (I get quite focused on work).

I've missed out on more than a bit of fun by keeping busy and being the responsible one, hence, I have recently embraced my inner geek and have come to play here.

I think I need to pull a Zoe and find a husband who makes me laugh, provided there are any left out there.

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Originally posted by greenka61:
...I've missed out on more than a bit of fun by keeping busy and being the responsible one, hence, I have recently embraced my inner geek and have come to play here...



Welcome to the party! ...although I've only been here a week or so myself. This is me only recently embracing my "inner geek." Actually, I'm more geeky at 50 than I was at 20. Go figure.

It seems we have some things in common, which doesn't mean we won't knock heads on occasion. ;) But, being in agreement on everything isn't much fun either. :)

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