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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
I saw some charts at The Numbers the other day, don't know how I stumbled upon them.

They showed the worst performances in Box Office history. Almost all of the huge failures were from 2020 and newer.

Wish I could find those again, don't see them now.

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Originally posted by second:
Jerry Seinfeld declares the movie business 'is over,' not the 'pinnacle' of society anymore

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
The Ministry oUW is not allowed in Canada cinema.

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Do you have data showing what portion of North American Box Office is from Canada?

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The Ministry oUW is not allowed in Canada cinema.

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Do you have data showing what portion of North American Box Office is from Canada?

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I do not. If you ever find any I'd be interested in seeing it. Maybe Bruce breaks that down for paying subscriptions?

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
I saw some charts at The Numbers the other day, don't know how I stumbled upon them.

They showed the worst performances in Box Office history. Almost all of the huge failures were from 2020 and newer.

Wish I could find those again, don't see them now.

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If you do find it, let me know. I'd love to see that.

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The Ministry oUW is not allowed in Canada cinema.

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I do not. If you ever find any I'd be interested in seeing it. Maybe Bruce breaks that down for paying subscriptions?

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Not allowed in cinema in CA, UK, or Yurp. Some youboob contraption paid them to exclude cinema viewers.

So the NA Box Office is substantially lower than the other films at the BO. I just don't know how much. I don't recall another film which had delayed, or staggered, or separate release for USA vs CA.

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How much does Canada add to domestic box office numbers and why aren’t they split out as their own country?

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Canada has a population about 1/10th of the US. So I would assume Canada accounts for 1/11th of the domestic numbers.

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There was a post here about Canada box office numbers for several movies from 2015 onward.

I did the math and assuming those numbers were reported in USD, the Canadian numbers generally accounted for about 8-10.5% of a films total domestic gross.

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Not allowed in cinema in CA, UK, or Yurp. Some youboob contraption paid them to exclude cinema viewers.

So the NA Box Office is substantially lower than the other films at the BO. I just don't know how much. I don't recall another film which had delayed, or staggered, or separate release for USA vs CA.

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I don't get the youboob contraption reference, so I'm lost on that one. Sorry.

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Not allowed in cinema in CA, UK, or Yurp. Some youboob contraption paid them to exclude cinema viewers.

So the NA Box Office is substantially lower than the other films at the BO. I just don't know how much. I don't recall another film which had delayed, or staggered, or separate release for USA vs CA.

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I don't get the youboob contraption reference, so I'm lost on that one. Sorry.

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It is called "Prime Video" and they paid to keep cinemas excluded from showing the film.

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Paramount Pictures acquired the rights to Damien Lewis's book The Ministry of Ungentlemanly Warfare: How Churchill's Secret Warriors Set Europe Ablaze and Gave Birth to Modern Black Ops in 2015. Guy Ritchie signed on to direct the project in February 2021, from a script by Arash Amel, with Jerry Bruckheimer producing the film.[6] In October 2022, Henry Cavill and Eiza González were set to star, with Paramount no longer involved and Black Bear International now handling sales for the project.[7] In February 2023, additional casting including Alan Ritchson, Henry Golding, Alex Pettyfer and Cary Elwes was announced.[8]

Principal photography began on February 13, 2023, in Antalya, Turkey,[9][10] and wrapped up in April 2023.[11]

The day filming began, it was announced Lionsgate had acquired U.S. distribution rights to the film, planning to give it a wide release in 2024, and that select international distribution rights had been sold to Amazon Prime Video.[9]

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Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
Dune part 2 seems to have saved Legendary Pictures / Warner Bros so its not all bad numbers but not sure about other studios, an over paid actor can make a box bomb and expensive productions box office turkeys. another year with flops

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Whatever Happened To Randy Quaid?

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In short, things don’t look great going into the “height of Summer.” A few million more might come from returning movies being helped by the holiday weekend. This is something that the model doesn’t adjust for over Memorial Day, because the strong competition generally doesn’t help returning films. This year might well be an exception to that rule.

We should cruise past $100 million over the three-day portion of the weekend, but this will almost certainly be the worst Memorial Day weekend of the 21st century, outside the pandemic era.

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Hollywood crews are unemployed, fear LA's production decline - Los Angeles Times

By Kaitlyn Huamani | May 28, 2024, 3 AM PT

https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/business/story/2024-05-28/h
ollywood-crew-unemployed-fewer-jobs-la-production-decline

After more than two decades in the industry, Keith Dunkerley still loves nothing more than working on a set. The 47-year-old director of photography and camera operator, who’s had consistent work since he moved to Los Angeles 23 years ago, said his is “the best job in the world.”

Since the writers’ and actors’ strikes last year and the slow restart of production, though, Dunkerley said his work opportunities look quite different than in past years: He has worked only 18 days during the first five months of 2024.

“People outside the business don’t understand this is not a factory,” Dunkerley said. “It’s not like, ‘OK, the strike’s over, go back to the factory, turn the lights on and get the machines going.’ A lot of us knew it’s going to take some time to ramp things up.”

While Dunkerley supported his family through savings and odd jobs as a handyman on TaskRabbit during the strikes, the sluggish rebound has been difficult for him. He’s recently made more than 60 calls to friends and industry contacts to look for prospects.

What Dunkerley is experiencing is a part of the massive ripple effect of the WGA and SAG-AFTRA strikes that is still affecting tens of thousands of people working in entertainment and adjacent industries. Crew members, especially, have been hit hard.

“I am currently in the worst place I’ve ever been in my entire life financially,” said Heather Fink, a boom operator and director. “The industry is in a crisis. It is not back to normal. We are in debt.”
Heather Fink, in a white tank top and headphones, holds a boom mic on set.

Heather Fink has been working in sound departments consistently for 14 years, but she said the strikes left her financially vulnerable. “There’s simply not enough work out there,” she said.

(John Ales)

FilmLA, a nonprofit that tracks on-location permitting in the city, released a report in April that revealed a slow bounceback in production after the dual strikes. Local on-location filming in the first quarter of the year was down 8.7% from the first quarter of 2023. Television production was especially impacted, with production falling 16.2% from last year.

Paul Audley, the president of FilmLA, said these findings are startling when considering that film and television production saw a “retraction” at the start of 2023 in anticipation of the looming writers’ strike.

“What we’re facing is a combination of effects of the studios, as well as the streamers, cutting back not only the number of series they produced but in some cases the number of episodes they’re producing for shows,” Audley said.

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With scarce work opportunities, many crew members are concerned about how they will maintain their health insurance, which is often directly tied to the number of hours they work. Those who have coverage with the Motion Picture Industry Pension and Health Plans must work 400 hours in a six-month period to maintain their insurance. Many veteran crew members, like hairstylist and department head Jason Orion, who’s worked on shows including “Grey’s Anatomy,” said he has never been close to losing his coverage until now.

Orion was able to keep his health insurance thanks to a job on “9-1-1.” He said because he worked down to the wire before the 2007-08 writers’ strike, he thought he’d be busy until the strikes officially began. In reality, he had “an almost nonexistent beginning of 2023.” Even the shows and films shooting in L.A. now have slashed many departments, he added, noting sets that historically employed 20 hairstylists now have just two or three.

Orion said “9-1-1” was a “very hard show,” noting that crew member Rico Priem recently died in a car accident after pulling a 14-hour overnight shift. “We were all tired, it was a very terrible thing,” Orion said after noting that hours on sets are generally “brutal and relentless.”

These tough conditions are one of the top concerns in ongoing negotiations between the International Alliance of Theatrical Stage Employees (IATSE), which advocates for film and TV crew members, and the Alliance of Motion Picture and Television Producers (AMPTP), which represents Hollywood studios. Much like the WGA and SAG-AFTRA negotiations, wage increases, residuals and the use of artificial intelligence also are issues on the table.

Some crew members said they’re cautiously optimistic that negotiations will proceed smoothly and that work opportunities will ramp up once an agreement is reached, which members seem to believe will happen before their current contract expires on July 31.

For others, optimism does not come easily after a year of struggle. Fink said working in sound for 14 years was “honestly one of the biggest mistakes I’ve ever made in my life,” and that she feels uneasy about the future. One of her primary concerns is the increasing number of productions moving away from L.A. and California to states or countries that offer better tax incentives for production — a phenomenon dubbed runaway production.

“I’m so afraid that there isn’t going to be a job to even be concerned [about] what the conditions are,” Fink said.

California offers $330 million annually in film tax credits, but other states looking to build up their status as production hubs, like New York and Georgia, provide more attractive incentives and programs with higher or unlimited funding. New York’s cap is $700 million and Georgia currently does not have a limit.

“California remains noncompetitive with the rest of the world that is offering incentives and tax credits,” Audley said. “Everybody’s aware that California is not an inexpensive place to do business and we have, in the past, been able to overcome that … but it’s just noncompetitive and we don’t have anywhere near enough money in those funds from the state to draw and keep production in L.A.”

Outside of the U.S., several countries, including the United Kingdom, New Zealand and Australia, are offering cushy tax incentives for studios, where they can bypass unions and pay crews lower wages than in the States.
Ian Barbella, in a blue collared shirt and green pants, holds a camera on set.

Ian Barbella has more than 15 years of experience working on sets. He said his current job opportunities have shrunk by half.

(Kyle Petitjean)

“For so long, American culture was the thing that we exported. It is very strange to watch everyone be OK that it’s getting imported,” said Ian Barbella, a camera assistant who’s worked on series and films including “Lessons in Chemistry” and “Wine Country.” “There’s no context of [how] that’s an American company not using American workers.”

These compounding sources of stress — the fear of their jobs moving out of state or abroad, the strenuous conditions they face on set and the lack of employment opportunities — are affecting the mental health of many crew members.

Diego Mariscal, a dolly grip with 25-plus years of experience and credits including “Spider-Man: No Way Home” and “The Mandalorian,” has been running a popular Facebook group called Crew Stories for the last five years. The online community of 90,000 shares on-set experiences — both the good and the bad — and offers support through posts and fundraising for colleagues in need. Mariscal said he has seen the toll this “weird limbo” has had on his peers.

“Everyone’s just in panic mode and they don’t know what to do,” Mariscal said. Through his social media accounts, he said he has recently fielded multiple messages from crew members experiencing suicidal thoughts and severe mental distress.

Communities like Crew Stories and the friendships crew members have developed with co-workers have been a refuge for many. Jennifer Rose Clasen, a still photographer for “The Flight Attendant” and “Big Little Lies,” said her “film family” has been leaning on one another and sharing their mental health struggles as they muscle through the dry spell of work and the uncertainty that lies ahead.
Jennifer Rose Clasen holds a camera and smiles during a shoot.

Jennifer Rose Clasen, who has worked consistently for years, said she has been out of work for 14 months.

(Julián Vergara)

“I constantly have to remind my friends this isn’t their fault because there’s a little trickle of work out there so there’s just enough for people to feel like they’re failing,” Clasen said. “That, compounded over 10, 12, 14 months, truly takes a toll on people’s well-being.”

Amid the mental and financial challenges they’re facing, some said those outside of the industry expect them to seek out adjacent careers. Dunkerley said it’s not that simple.

“I love what I do,” he said. “You definitely question what you do, you wake up [and] it’s kind of like, ‘What am I doing? What am I supposed to do now? What’s going to happen?’ And you just hope that something will pop up. I’m really hopeful. Fingers crossed.”

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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FURIOSA: A MAD MAX SAGA?

https://forums.boxofficetheory.com/topic/32293-furiosa-a-mad-max-saga/

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Originally posted by whozit:
2024 will be worse then 2023, there's no 'Barbie' this year. 'Deadpool' and 'Joker 2' can't make up the losses the studios will have this year. Maybe 'Deadpool' and 'Joker 2' will under preform OR...both bomb.

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2024 will be worse then 2023, there's no 'Barbie' this year. 'Deadpool' and 'Joker 2' can't make up the losses the studios will have this year. Maybe 'Deadpool' and 'Joker 2' will under preform OR...both bomb.

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Who would want to be seen entering a movie theater showing R-rated Deadpool or Joker? Adults with self-respect will only watch those two secretly on Netflix and never tell a soul about the icky experience out of shame. Remember X-rated movie theaters? Adults stopped going to those theaters when porn became available on VHS and Beta. The same thing is happening to R-rated movie audiences staying away from theaters and, instead, moving to Netflix.


Porn Industry Statistics (Bigger than Hollywood and none of the videos are shown at movie theaters to ticket-buying, popcorn-eating patrons.)

The porn industry generates billions of dollars in revenue annually, with millions of websites and videos available online.

Last Updated: May 27, 2024

Written & Summarized by: Jannik Lindner

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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'Deadpool' and 'Joker 2' will do well, but will they make a billion $?

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netflix revenue compared to hollywood ticket sales
https://www.google.com/search?q=netflix+revenue+compared+to+hollywood+
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Four years ago, this was true, but things have gotten steadily worse for Hollywood: Netflix earns about $15 billion a year in subscription fees from its worldwide subscriber base. North American box office is usually between $11 and $12 billion. Of course, the studios get only about half of that box office (the other half goes to theater owners) So that’s $5.5-$6B. ( Netflix generated $33.72 billion in revenue in 2023. See how things get steadily worse for Hollywood? Netflix currently has 260.28 million subscribers. Up from 167.09 million members in 2019. )

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I see Second is just posting a bunch of stupid bullshit in here again today, huh.

He must realize that the fake verdict from the fake court case is nothing to celebrate too.



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