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The Madame Web Failure Thread (And the Success of Dune: Part 2 Thread)

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Saturday, March 2, 2024 7:01 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


Trumptards should avoid the Dune movies.

The wokeness of Dune 1 & 2:

Everything Dune 2 Changes From the Original Novel

https://movieweb.com/dune-2-changes-from-novel-explained/

One of the most significant overhauls involves Princess Irulan (Florence Pugh), the daughter of Emperor Shaddam (Christopher Walken). Her role in the novel, where she watches her father get overthrown and reluctantly becomes engaged to Paul, the usurper, is confined almost entirely to the final chapter. Here, she's a fully-fledged character, appearing in several scenes as she gradually becomes aware of her father's secret deal with Baron Harkonnen to take down House Atreides and of the likely price he'll have to pay as his involvement becomes known throughout the galaxy. Additionally, her decision to marry Paul ultimately gives her much more agency; she willingly volunteers to become his bride to allow her family to maintain political power and influence.

But the most significant and impactful character expansions involve Chani (Zendaya), Paul's initial love interest and a Fremen. Whereas in the novel, the character was mostly a bystander to the action, Villeneuve makes her a much more direct participant in it, and it's mostly through her eyes that the story's tragedy becomes clear. Since she's established as a cynic and more skeptical of the Fremen belief system, she's more unwilling to accept Paul as a messiah for their tribe.

Additionally, her romantic relationship with Paul is also greatly expanded. While Herbert's novel mostly compresses their developing love within a time jump, Villeneuve wisely takes his time and lets us see Chani's gradual respect for Paul and the ways in which her love keeps him emotionally grounded. In fact, maybe the most gutting part of Paul's eventual transformation into the Kwisatz Haderach is how it drives a wedge into his relationship since Chani had rightfully warned him against choosing a path of bloodshed. In the final scene, when Paul decides to marry Irulan for political reasons, we see his betrayal through Chani's eyes and see how far he's fallen.

6ixStringJack, the woke version of Dune 2 has rudely added a conflict about adultery. Trumptards will have a problem understanding the seriousness of Dune's Paul betraying Chani because Trumptards don't care about Trump betraying his many wives. Trump covered that to the satisfaction of his followers by saying all his ex-wives are evil bitches and he has sexual needs that marriage doesn't fulfill, which is a frequent comment by actual divorced Trumptards. What is not to like about Trump? He cheats on his wives and taxes and his followers cheat on their wives and taxes.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Saturday, March 2, 2024 11:08 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Nope. That's not woke.


I'm so glad to hear that no Democrat voter has ever committed adultery or got a divorce. Good for you.

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Saturday, March 2, 2024 11:18 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Dune: Part 2 gets $12 Million on Thursday preview night and a total of $32 Million+ projected after Friday night.

The $12 Million from Thursday night was far more than all 39 of the other movies shown on Thursday combined. There's only 20 films up for Friday's projections so far, but the $20 Million+ Dune made on Friday dwarfs all of them.


Bruce predicts just shy of $90 Million for opening weekend at The Numbers.

He doesn't list the production budget, but other sites online are claiming that it cost a stupid $190 Million to make.

Unless all the predictions everywhere are wrong, it will easily cover that and make money, but Hollywood really has a money problem. Dune: Part 2 won't even start making money for Warner Bros. until it clears $475 Million.

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Saturday, March 2, 2024 11:33 AM

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Nope. That's not woke.


I'm so glad to hear that no Democrat voter has ever committed adultery or got a divorce. Good for you.
The difference is that a decent Democrat would be ashamed while a Trumptard desires that a shameless, adulterous, tax-cheating criminal be President because Trump is a worse version of themselves.

How's Dune doing?
https://www.the-numbers.com/movies/franchise/Dune#tab=summary

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
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Saturday, March 2, 2024 11:51 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Nope. That's not woke.


I'm so glad to hear that no Democrat voter has ever committed adultery or got a divorce. Good for you.
The difference is that a decent Democrat would be ashamed while a Trumptard desires that a shameless, adulterous, tax-cheating criminal be President because Trump is a worse version of themselves.


Oh, come off it. I've got to hear from you everyday about how Democrats don't ever lie, don't ever cheat, don't ever get divorced, never succumb to any vices, never get sick, yada yada yada...

You wouldn't be ashamed of anything. You know no shame. I don't give one single shit that Trump cheated on his wives or got divorces from them. Neither do you. I'm not voting for Trump for Father or Husband of the Year. You didn't vote for Biden for Father or Husband of the Year either.

Keep your fucking politics out of the cinema board and in the RWED where they belong.

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How's Dune doing?


I already listed in detail how Dune is doing in the post before your most recent idiocy.

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Saturday, March 2, 2024 12:07 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Variety: Box Office: ‘Dune: Part Two’ Rides to Impressive $32 Million Opening Day

https://variety.com/2024/film/box-office/dune-2-opening-day-box-office
-1235927316/

Yeah... But that's not exactly true though, is it? I have to give points to Variety for not waiting beyond the first paragraph of the article to point out that Part 2 made $12 Million of that in Thursday previews (and events that even predate Thursday), but why do they continue to put out misleading headlines when they know they're not the truth.

Honestly, when I saw that the Friday number was only $32.6 Million this morning it came to me as a warning sign that Part 2 is not going to have the banner weekend that pretty much everyone unanimously agreed that it would. $20.6 Million on Friday is not great, coming off a $12 Million Preview night. Saturday's numbers are almost universally higher than Sunday's, so in order to get the $89 Million that Bruce predicted (or the flat $90 Million that many sites predicted), it's going to have to make something like $32 Million on Saturday alone. While it's true that Saturday's numbers are almost universally higher than Friday's numbers when you remove Preview Thursday numbers, I have some serious doubts about it grossing $12 Million more on Saturday than it did on Friday.



It would appear that with the benefit of Friday's Projections that Bruce did not have when making his $89 Million prediction, The Wrap agrees with me.

‘Dune: Part Two’ Revives Box Office With $75 Million-Plus Opening Weekend

https://www.thewrap.com/dune-part-two-revives-box-office-with-75-milli
on-plus-opening-weekend/


I think they're low-balling it with $75 Million (Plus) and playing The Price is Right here. My range with the data we have now would be probably $78 to $81 Million. Add in probably another $1.5 Million for Warner Bros. lowballing the projections once late Monday comes and they reconcile the actual sales.

If I was going to put an exact figure on it, I think $81 Million is a good number once we have the exact figures on Monday.

So that's officially my guess. Any number between $81,000,000 and $81,999,999 for opening weekend.

This would put it at the low end of many of the recent predictions for Dune: Part 2's opening weekend.

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Saturday, March 2, 2024 5:14 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


“When Frank Herbert wrote Dune and when the book came out, he felt that the readers misunderstood him,” Villeneuve explained at a recent post-screening talkback attended by The A.V. Club. “People saw Dune as a celebration of Paul Atreides, but for him he wanted the book to be a warning regarding messianic figures.” (6ix, Trump is a fake Messiah. His ultimate goals are unrighteous.)

Although he begins the story with good intentions — and here’s the spoiler warning for plot points of Dune and follow-up novel Dune: Messiah — Paul (Timothée Chalamet) ends up embarking on a holy war in his name that will devastate the universe and leave billions of corpses behind. Still, the original story is told in a way that makes it easy for readers to fall into the dangerous mindset that Paul’s mission is righteous and good, as many of the novel’s characters do as well. “In order to correct that perception, [Herbert] wrote Dune: Messiah that is almost like an epilogue,” Villeneuve went on to explain.

While the director has said he would adapt that novel into a potential third movie, he wanted to fight that interpretation earlier in his own franchise. “In my adaptation, specifically in Part Two, I’m trying to be faithful to the book, but more I’m trying to be faithful to Frank Herbert’s wishes and desires,” he said. To do that, he expanded and empowered the role played by Zendaya’s character Chani, a Fremen warrior who falls in love with Paul before he falls deeper into his destiny.

“Chani, in the second part of the book, kind of disappeared in Paul’s shadows. The character becomes less interesting,” Villeneuve continued. “But I thought there was a strong opportunity there to create a character there who would give us a new perspective on Paul, in order to get closer to Frank Herbert’s intentions.” It works. Through Chani’s eyes, we see Paul for who he truly is: a man as power-hungry as the rest of them. (As power-hungry as Trump.)

https://www.avclub.com/denis-villeneuve-dune-part-two-zendaya-chani-he
rbert-1851297779

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Saturday, March 2, 2024 11:36 PM

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Variety: Box Office: ‘Dune: Part Two’ Rides to Impressive $32 Million Opening Day

https://variety.com/2024/film/box-office/dune-2-opening-day-box-office
-1235927316/

Yeah... But that's not exactly true though, is it? I have to give points to Variety for not waiting beyond the first paragraph of the article to point out that Part 2 made $12 Million of that in Thursday previews (and events that even predate Thursday), but why do they continue to put out misleading headlines when they know they're not the truth.

Honestly, when I saw that the Friday number was only $32.6 Million this morning it came to me as a warning sign that Part 2 is not going to have the banner weekend that pretty much everyone unanimously agreed that it would. $20.6 Million on Friday is not great, coming off a $12 Million Preview night. Saturday's numbers are almost universally higher than Sunday's, so in order to get the $89 Million that Bruce predicted (or the flat $90 Million that many sites predicted), it's going to have to make something like $32 Million on Saturday alone. While it's true that Saturday's numbers are almost universally higher than Friday's numbers when you remove Preview Thursday numbers, I have some serious doubts about it grossing $12 Million more on Saturday than it did on Friday.



It would appear that with the benefit of Friday's Projections that Bruce did not have when making his $89 Million prediction, The Wrap agrees with me.

‘Dune: Part Two’ Revives Box Office With $75 Million-Plus Opening Weekend

https://www.thewrap.com/dune-part-two-revives-box-office-with-75-milli
on-plus-opening-weekend/


I think they're low-balling it with $75 Million (Plus) and playing The Price is Right here. My range with the data we have now would be probably $78 to $81 Million. Add in probably another $1.5 Million for Warner Bros. lowballing the projections once late Monday comes and they reconcile the actual sales.

If I was going to put an exact figure on it, I think $81 Million is a good number once we have the exact figures on Monday.

So that's officially my guess. Any number between $81,000,000 and $81,999,999 for opening weekend.

This would put it at the low end of many of the recent predictions for Dune: Part 2's opening weekend.

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Bruce doesn't usually do an update to any of his predictions on Saturday, but he did today.

His revised prediction is now between $75.8 Million and $84.4 Million, with the model giving an exact figure of $79,391,466.

https://www.the-numbers.com/news/256360830-Saturday-update-Dune-shooti
ng-for-80-million-debut-after-32-2-million-opening-day


I don't need computer generated models to come up with my numbers.

My prediction of $81,000,000 to $81,999,999 stands. I'm skewing higher than the middle of Bruce's range because I'm also factoring in the fact that studios are extremely likely to lowball their projections on opening weekend. The only time this didn't happen last year was a few occasions when Disney highballed their predictions because of embarrassing flops, which I also predicted they would do.

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Saturday, March 2, 2024 11:50 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack (January 28th):
Girl Boss movies will fail. Comic Book Movies will fail.

There doesn't appear to be a whole lot of either in 2024, but this one fits both molds for failure.

Sorry SONY, but I'm betting on less than Morbius numbers on this one.



I didn't think that Madame Web was going to make this THAT easy on me.

$80 Million worldwide in 17 days, and only $800k on its 3rd Friday night.

As bad as Morbius was and as bad as Morbius performed, it still pulled in a worldwide box office of $162 Million.


Although the Domestic/International was basically a dead heat for the Madame after the first weekend, the International box office pulled ahead by about $5 Million on Weekend 2. I expect this gap to widen further going forward, but probably not too much. I think this movie is nearing the end of its run.

The only thing to do now is see if it can even crack $100 Million.



Depending on how you look at it, this may be a bigger flop than 2004's Catwoman. That movie pulled in $82,078,046 worldwide, which would be $134,008,813 today. A figure that Madame Web will never come close to touching.

But Catwoman did cost $100,000,000 to make, which would be $163,269,985 in 2024. That's twice the production budget as Madame Web allegedly cost.

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Sunday, March 3, 2024 2:00 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack (Around Noon, March 2nd):
Variety: Box Office: ‘Dune: Part Two’ Rides to Impressive $32 Million Opening Day

https://variety.com/2024/film/box-office/dune-2-opening-day-box-office
-1235927316/

Yeah... But that's not exactly true though, is it? I have to give points to Variety for not waiting beyond the first paragraph of the article to point out that Part 2 made $12 Million of that in Thursday previews (and events that even predate Thursday), but why do they continue to put out misleading headlines when they know they're not the truth.

Honestly, when I saw that the Friday number was only $32.6 Million this morning it came to me as a warning sign that Part 2 is not going to have the banner weekend that pretty much everyone unanimously agreed that it would. $20.6 Million on Friday is not great, coming off a $12 Million Preview night. Saturday's numbers are almost universally higher than Sunday's, so in order to get the $89 Million that Bruce predicted (or the flat $90 Million that many sites predicted), it's going to have to make something like $32 Million on Saturday alone. While it's true that Saturday's numbers are almost universally higher than Friday's numbers when you remove Preview Thursday numbers, I have some serious doubts about it grossing $12 Million more on Saturday than it did on Friday.



It would appear that with the benefit of Friday's Projections that Bruce did not have when making his $89 Million prediction, The Wrap agrees with me.

‘Dune: Part Two’ Revives Box Office With $75 Million-Plus Opening Weekend

https://www.thewrap.com/dune-part-two-revives-box-office-with-75-milli
on-plus-opening-weekend/


I think they're low-balling it with $75 Million (Plus) and playing The Price is Right here. My range with the data we have now would be probably $78 to $81 Million. Add in probably another $1.5 Million for Warner Bros. lowballing the projections once late Monday comes and they reconcile the actual sales.

If I was going to put an exact figure on it, I think $81 Million is a good number once we have the exact figures on Monday.

So that's officially my guess. Any number between $81,000,000 and $81,999,999 for opening weekend.

This would put it at the low end of many of the recent predictions for Dune: Part 2's opening weekend.



Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack (Just before Midnight, March 2nd):
Bruce doesn't usually do an update to any of his predictions on Saturday, but he did today.

His revised prediction is now between $75.8 Million and $84.4 Million, with the model giving an exact figure of $79,391,466.

https://www.the-numbers.com/news/256360830-Saturday-update-Dune-shooti
ng-for-80-million-debut-after-32-2-million-opening-day


I don't need computer generated models to come up with my numbers.

My prediction of $81,000,000 to $81,999,999 stands. I'm skewing higher than the middle of Bruce's range because I'm also factoring in the fact that studios are extremely likely to lowball their projections on opening weekend. The only time this didn't happen last year was a few occasions when Disney highballed their predictions because of embarrassing flops, which I also predicted they would do.



Bruce must REALLY be interested in the success of Dune: Part 2. He just wrote another article about it today after the studio projections for the weekend came in.

Weekend projections: Dune hits pay dirt with $81.5-million debut

https://www.the-numbers.com/news/256370830-Weekend-projections-Dune-hi
ts-pay-dirt-with-81-5-million-debut

$81.5 Million, huh?

You mean EXACTLY in the middle of my range that I came up with on intuition that didn't require any computer models.



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Although Dune 2 is coming in a bit behind our Friday-morning prediction, that’s partly for technical reasons. Warner Bros. didn’t split out spending on their IMAX special event last Sunday from Thursday preview earnings. We ignore those kind of details in the model because the studios aren’t consistent in how they report preview numbers, but in this case it resulted in a higher prediction. That said, there are a host of other factors that contribute to a film’s final opening weekend number (the number of theaters that don’t show previews, word of mouth etc.), so there is an argument that Dune 2 doesn’t have fantastic legs right now.


Thats why AI, at least for now, is inferior to a human being who knows what they're doing.

I do agree with the assessment that Dune: Part 2 might not have great legs though. I said as much as soon as I saw Friday's numbers compared to Thursday's numbers. With Another $97 Million projected internationally, (much less than expected, actually) and around $180 Million worldwide opening weekend, it should still have zero problems making money and taking the number 1 spot in the 2024 worldwide box office before it leaves theaters.



And although I got a great laugh to see that my prediction for the weekend was a bullseye, it probably won't end up being so after the real numbers roll in on Monday.

Unless Warner Bros. broke rank and didn't lowball their projections on a surefire successful opening weekend here, the actual numbers are probably going to be somewhere between $82 Million and $83.25 Million.

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Monday, March 4, 2024 3:52 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Looks like Bruce is showing $82.5 Million on the Weekend page now, but it's still just a projection. WB must have upped their projection another million since yesterday without having firm numbers. They must be pretty confident to do that. It will probably be above my $82 to $83.25 million now. Likely between $83 and $84.5 Million when the actual numbers are put up.

They've also upped their international projection to $99.820 Million from only $97 Million yesterday as well, so this thing actually did do more than $100 Million internationally. Not bad, but still well below the $120 to $150 Million I was hearing people predict before the weekend.

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Monday, March 4, 2024 11:05 PM

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Weird... I guess not.

I don't know why the studio upped its projection by $1 Million a day later when the final numbers came out and were only $5,391 above that.

So my original prediction that the studio lowballed the numbers and it would actually make between $82 Million and $83.25 Million once the real numbers was correct, with $82.505 Million in the bank domestically.

I also don't know why they upped the projections for the international a day later either from $97 Million to $99.820 Million either. That one is especially strange since it didn't even reach that and it only made $99.783 Million.


So it's made just over $182 Million on opening weekend worldwide.

The production budget was $190 Million (which Bruce now shows on The-Numbers).


I know everybody online is celebrating this as a big win, but it's really not. It only made just shy of 96% of its production budget back on opening weekend. If memory serves, it was pretty much a coin flip that the movie ended up making the studio money if it fell between 80% and 99% of the production budget on opening weekend in 2023.

If this one is front loaded with fans, which I've heard some speculation that it is, that may not bode well for its prospects going forward.

The top movie in the 2024 top list worldwide right now is YOLO, which added about another $50 Million to its total since Bruce's last update and now sits at $455 Million. That's just $20 Million shy of what Dune: Part 2 needs to break even. If Bruce is updating the Chinese movies every week and that $50+ million is just from last week alone, there's a good chance it's going to pretty easily crack $500 Million before it's out of theaters.

Unless word of mouth is really great and Dp2 has really good legs, it's probably not going to take the top spot and it could possibly struggle to break even for Warner Bros.



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Tuesday, March 5, 2024 8:31 AM

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Quote:
Originally posted by second:
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Nope. That's not woke.


I'm so glad to hear that no Democrat voter has ever committed adultery or got a divorce. Good for you.
The difference is that a decent Democrat would be ashamed while a Trumptard desires that a shameless, adulterous, tax-cheating criminal be President because Trump is a worse version of themselves.


Oh, come off it. I've got to hear from you everyday about how Democrats don't ever lie, don't ever cheat, don't ever get divorced, never succumb to any vices, never get sick, yada yada yada...

You wouldn't be ashamed of anything. You know no shame. I don't give one single shit that Trump cheated on his wives or got divorces from them. Neither do you. I'm not voting for Trump for Father or Husband of the Year. You didn't vote for Biden for Father or Husband of the Year either.

Keep your fucking politics out of the cinema board and in the RWED where they belong.

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How's Dune doing?


I already listed in detail how Dune is doing in the post before your most recent idiocy.
6ix, the problem with Trumptards is they do NOT correct their mistakes. Instead, they deny a mistake was made. I'll give you an example: Every court decision against Trump will inevitably cause his Trumptards to squawk that he didn't rape that woman, he didn't cheat on his taxes, he didn't tell Trumptards to stop Congress from functioning on January 6th while it was certifying Electoral College ballots, etc. How Trumptards react to Trump's misdeeds is how Trumptards react to their own misdeeds.

6ix, your misdeed is wasting your time counting Hollywood's money when you should be out in the world working and counting your own money rather than piddling around in your basement, obsessed with caulking and painting at midnight:
http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=65350&mid=11889
70#1188970

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, March 5, 2024 9:57 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


The way I choose to use my time is mine and none of your fucking business.

You do you.

Trump, election voting and the use of my time have nothing to do with Madame Web, Dune: Part 2 or Cinema.

Keep your bullshit in the RWED, psychopath.

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Tuesday, March 5, 2024 7:54 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
The way I choose to use my time is mine and none of your fucking business.

You do you.

Trump, election voting and the use of my time have nothing to do with Madame Web, Dune: Part 2 or Cinema.

Keep your bullshit in the RWED, psychopath.
I'm guessing that if you see Dune 2 you will misunderstand what is obvious:

Dune’s Paul Atreides Is Not The Good Guy

If you really want proof that this is the ‘point’ of Dune, if we can even distill any novel down to one single throughline, just look to interviews with the author himself.

“It began with a concept: to do a long novel about the messianic convulsions which periodically inflict themselves on human societies,” Frank Herbert is quoted as saying in Tim O’Reilly’s biography. “I had this idea that superheros were disastrous for humans.”

Herbert reiterates the point in the introduction to his short story collection, Eye: “Dune was aimed at this whole idea of the infallible leader because my view of history says that mistakes made by a leader (or made in a leader's name) are amplified by the numbers who follow without question.”

https://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/reviews/dune-s-paul-atreides-is-not-t
he-good-guy/ar-BB1jltIw

Dune 1 and 2 warn you about leaders such as Trump:

Donald Trump depicted as superhero, rock star and George Washington
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/donald-trump-depicted-superhero-
rock-29753717

The History of Trump Pretending to Be Superman -- Lex Luthor is based on Trump, but that hasn’t kept him from repeatedly posing as the Man of Steel.
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/history-donald-trump-superman.
html

https://www.google.com/search?q=picture+of+trump+as+superhero

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, March 6, 2024 12:49 AM

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Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
The way I choose to use my time is mine and none of your fucking business.

You do you.

Trump, election voting and the use of my time have nothing to do with Madame Web, Dune: Part 2 or Cinema.

Keep your bullshit in the RWED, psychopath.
I'm guessing that if you see Dune 2


I thought I was very clear. I will not see Dune: Part 2.

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I thought I was very clear. I will not see Dune: Part 2.
You will see it one day on TV for free. Then you will be amazed at the complex bookkeeping necessary to inflate the cost to $190,000,000. You will realize the Dune producers committed a crime equivalent to robbing Fort Knox. Somebody should make a movie about stealing money while making a movie.

https://www.the-numbers.com/movies/franchise/Dune#tab=summary

This is how movie producers convince their financial backers that the money is creating great art rather than being stolen in a great crime:

21 "Dune 2" Details And Easter Eggs That Are Super Clever, But You Might've Missed Them

Gurney Halleck playing a nine-stringed guitar in his first scene in Dune: Part Two is a nod to his character from Frank Herbert's original book. There are MASSIVE spoilers ahead for Dune, Dune: Part Two, and Frank Herbert's Dune.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/noradominick/dune-part-two-details-easter-egg
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Wednesday, March 6, 2024 9:23 AM

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I thought I was very clear. I will not see Dune: Part 2.
You will see it one day on TV for free.


I have a TV. I don't watch the TV though. In fact, I never even got an HD antenna, so it's pretty much a big computer monitor.

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Friday, March 8, 2024 9:37 AM

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From the other Dune thread...

http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=63866

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Waiting for Dune 3? 21 Years Ago, James McAvoy Made a Perfect TV Version

Need to know what happens next after Dune 2? A fantastic adaptation of Dune Messiah and Children of Dune already exists.

By Ryan Britt | March 7, 2024

https://www.denofgeek.com/tv/dune-3-james-mcavoy-frank-herbert-childre
n-of-dune/

If the shocking ending of Dune: Part Two left you wanting more, you can actually watch Dune: Part Three right now. Kind of.

Although Denis Villeneuve hasn’t fully committed to a movie adaptation of Dune Messiah, there is an often overlooked filmed version of this Dune sequel out there right now. This isn’t a bootleg or a fan film either, but The Sci-Fi Channel’s excellent Frank Herbert’s Children of Dune miniseries. This very real adaptation of Dune Messiah even stars several major Hollywood stars, including James McAvoy and Susan Sarandon, as well as Star Trek legend Alice “The Borg Queen” Krige.

If you’ve slept on this particular Dune sequel, now is possibly the best time to watch it. Here’s what to know about Frank Herbert’s Children of Dune, why it’s great, and how to watch it.

What is Frank Herbert’s Children of Dune?

On March 16, 2003, six months before the debut of the reboot Battlestar Galactica, the Sci-Fi Channel (yes, this was before it changed to “SyFy”) dropped a killer miniseries called Frank Herbert’s Children of Dune. But don’t let the title fool you. Because this three-part miniseries actually adapted two of Herbert’s books, Dune Messiah and Children of Dune, over the course of three episodes. Each part is about 90 minutes long, and the first episode, “Messiah,” adapts the totality of Dune Messiah, fairly faithfully. It also features the return of (most) of the cast from the 2000 smash-hit miniseries Frank Herbert’s Dune.

In fact, in the year 2000, the miniseries version of Dune, written and directed by John Harrison, was the most successful Sci-Fi Channel original at that point. It starred Alec Newman as Paul Atreides, Julie Cox as Irulan, Saskia Reeves as Lady Jessica, Barbora Kodetová as Chani, William Hurt as Duke Leto, and Ian McNeice (Doctor Who’s future Churchill!) as Baron Harkonnen. To date, it remains, without a doubt the most faithful adaption of the first Dune novel, which includes two pivotal plot points both David Lynch and Denis Villeneuve left out of their films: the banquet scene toward the start of the book, and the death of Chani and Paul’s first child, Leto II the Elder. (In the other Dune adaptations, this baby doesn’t even exist!)

More at https://www.denofgeek.com/tv/dune-3-james-mcavoy-frank-herbert-childre
n-of-dune/

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I'm sure it's great. Other SyFy classics...








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These movies have zero ticket sales at The Numbers, but they are profitable because the budget is around the same size as a High School play.

Sharknado
https://www.the-numbers.com/custom-search?searchterm=Sharknado

Cinedigm (Sharknado 2, Sharknado 5: Global Swarming) has released 757 movies with ticket sales of $49,332,674 and it was still in business as of 2023. No movies are listed yet for 2024.
https://www.the-numbers.com/home-market/distributor/Cinedigm


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You won't see any argument from me there. Hollywood budgets (including Dune: Part 2's budget) are stupid.

The Si-Fi Channel's continuation of the story might be something worth watching in the event that Part 2 does so bad that the studio pulls the plug on future installments, but my advice to anybody who paid for and enjoyed the 2 new movies would be to wait until the 3rd one comes out before tainting their brains with a low-budget 2003 rendition of the rest of the story. We tend to look at things like this with heavily rose tinted nostalgia glasses. Sure... I love Steven King's The Stand from the 90's and I've slogged through it several times in my life, but there is no way I would recommend it to anyone who hasn't already seen it in 2024.

But this being your only option to watch instead of read the continuation of the story is actually is a possibility that is on the table. I mentioned in the other thread immediately after seeing that Part 2 only grossed around $20.5 Million on Friday night after $12 Million in previews that this was the first warning sign this movie might fail to meet all of the lofty expectations in the media.

And though it's true it has grossed an additional $22,111,801 in US theaters between Monday and Wednesday and by far is the first US released movie of 2024 to put up those kinds of weekday numbers, they indicate very poor legs for the film, trending very near the bottom of the graph.




I don't expect Kung Fu Panda 4 or Angel Studio's Cabrini to have much overlap with the Dune: Part 2 audience and damage its potential this weekend, but Lionsgate's Imaginary is showing in over 3,000 theaters starting tonight and may take a bite out of it. (Imaginary is a $13 Million budget horror flick, costing right about and coming out nearly the same time as super-successful M3GAN did last year).

The one thing Dune: Part 2 still has going strong in its favor is that it will be seeing a release in China this week, which could potentially be huge for the bottom line. Part 1 saw $40 Million from China in 2021. It also saw around $7 Million in Japan and it will be getting a release there on 3/15.

China's YOLO has now seen a gross of $478,200,000, which is $3.2 Million more than Dune: Part 2 needs just to break even.

Depending on the actual state of Dune: Part 2's legs in the US and the Chinese turn out, Dp2 may not actually take 1st place from China's YOLO after all. We'll know more when we see how Dp2 performs on Weekend 2.

By the way, the Number 1 performing movie of 2024, China's YOLO is getting a limited release at 200 theaters in the US this weekend.



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Friday, March 8, 2024 10:36 AM

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You won't see any argument from me there. Hollywood budgets (including Dune: Part 2's budget) are stupid.
These numbers are genius as far as the producers' well-being is concerned once you realize that the producers are stealing most of the money by tricky bookkeeping and kickbacks from subcontractors. The credits at the end of the movies show dozens of special effects subcontractors, each getting squeezed by the producers.

Is Hollywood accounting legal?
https://www.google.com/search?q=is+hollywood+accounting+legal

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Friday, March 8, 2024 8:01 PM

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

You won't see any argument from me there. Hollywood budgets (including Dune: Part 2's budget) are stupid.
These numbers are genius as far as the producers' well-being is concerned once you realize that the producers are stealing most of the money by tricky bookkeeping and kickbacks from subcontractors. The credits at the end of the movies show dozens of special effects subcontractors, each getting squeezed by the producers.

Is Hollywood accounting legal?
https://www.google.com/search?q=is+hollywood+accounting+legal

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


I'm sure everybody steals when they think that they can get away with it in these production companies. But I'm not sure it's as bad as you believe it is, simply because everyone involved except for the nameless help is seriously overpaid for their jobs. Especially the actors.

It would be one thing if these companies were privately owned, but for the most part they're not. They have shareholders that they're accountable to.

Now... In Disney's case, I think they got a little too drunk off the Hollywood Accounting and probably took that a little bit too far. There may just be a hostile takeover in their future as a result of the severe mismanagement that's been going on for a very long time. As long as they were putting out multiple billion dollar plus movies every year and the stock prices were high and continued rising, people were more than happy to look the other way. This is no longer the case for them.



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Saturday, March 9, 2024 7:09 AM

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Why does Hollywood not know when to quit? Because each new movie is a new opportunity to steal money via creative accounting. Hollywood producers won't stop until the studio they happen to be temporarily working for loses so much money on a particular idea that even the dumbest studio head realizes he can no longer afford to make another based on the same tired, old material. In this case: Dune, which has been made over and over and over.

‘Dune 3’ Has a Big Challenge: The Next Book Isn’t That Great

'Dune Messiah' has plenty of fans, but it’s a philosophical palace intrigue story without the cinematic scope, epic stakes and action set pieces of the first novel.

March 8, 2024, 1:30pm

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/dune-3-messiah-pro
blem-book-1235845611/

Fans of Frank Herbert’s Dune saga agree: The first book is extraordinary — a planet-hopping hero’s journey with compelling characters, riveting action set-pieces, and clear story and character arcs. For all the talk that Dune was impossible to adapt, the core elements to make great cinema have always been in the 1965 book. (Previous producers on Dune-based movies have chosen the wrong directors and scriptwriters to slap together crappy versions of Dune. This time the producers accidentally chose a director who was a Dune fan and competent, so the results were not the usual crap that has always been habitual for Hollywood.)

But Herbert’s other Dune books? Well …

The remaining books have their fans and detractors, but the general consensus is the saga never comes close to achieving the dramatic heights of the first novel. Dune director Denis Villeneuve himself has said the books become increasingly “esoteric” and therefore he only wants to adapt the next one, Dune Messiah. He is said to be nearly finished with a script for a potential Dune: Part Three.

It’s not that 1969’s Dune Messiah is bad, per se. It’s just not as overtly dramatic and doesn’t directly connect to the previous story as much as one might like. As one reviewer griped, Messiah is “a lot of sitting around and talking.”

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Saturday, March 9, 2024 10:01 AM

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Regarding the above post...

I was just talking with my old man about that a few days ago. Neither of us have any desire to see Dune: Part 2 or have seen the original. He never even suffered through the Alan Smithee (David Lynch) 80's flick like I did.

So I was surprised to find out that not only did he read the book, but at the time in his life when he read it he remembers thinking it was one of the best books that he had ever read.

But then he read the sequel (which he couldn't even remember the name of now) and said he made it about 20 or 30 pages in and quit. His exact words were "It was like it wasn't even written by the same author. I hated it."



So, here would be my suggestions if they do make Dune 3...

1) CUT THAT BUDGET

2) Do what Hollywood always does here and take extreme liberty with the source material. It's 2024. I doubt very much that a vast majority of people who saw and loved the first two flicks actually read the book. This means you've got new fans.

Get some ACTUAL talented writers without checking off boxes for your ESG scores, keep the woke shit out of it, and just tell a good fucking story. It's possible to use the original written work as bullet points for the main topics while transforming it to something much more palatable on screen without completely ruining the work.

Also... don't stray too far from the original that you break the story and it doesn't fit in with the later books. Those bullet points are important. Use the original work as guard rails that bring you to the same conclusion so you can fluidly make a transition to the next book, which was hopefully better than "Messiah" was.

This means that you need actual fans of the original work employed on the production of the 3rd movie. None of this hiring a bunch of no-names and never-was "talent" and telling them specifically NOT to read the original works and come up with whatever they want. This ain't a Kindergarten class headed by a tranny teacher here. It's now a Billion dollar franchise that you don't want to fuck up with a bunch of otherwise unemployable pink-haired idiots running the show.


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Sunday, March 10, 2024 1:38 PM

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Well the bad news for Dune: Part 2 is that it got cremated by Kung Fu Panda 4 on its 2nd weekend, making only a projected $46 Million in the US vs. KFP4's $58.3 Million.

The good for Dp2 is that it only dropped -44% from Weekend 1, which is really only a -35% drop when you eliminate Thursday Previews from Weekend 1. This helped it trend back up toward the center of the Legs chart from the bottom.

As I suspected, it appears that KFP4 had very little overlap with the Dp2 audience. KFP4 made $16 Million more than Bruce predicted it would, and Dp2 made $10 Million more than Bruce predicted. Cabrini did just about exactly what Bruce predicted, and Imaginary made a few million more. It was a pretty great weekend at the box office with over $131 Million grossed on the top 10 flicks when Bruce only predicted $104 Million.


The really good news for Dp2 is that the international number is really pulling away from the domestic number. It's now grossed $210,500,000 internationally in 10 days. That's going to be about 110% of opening weekend added to the totals which is quite a bit better than most movies I've tracked internationally. My guess though is because even though Bruce doesn't show any new numbers for China this weekend he's already got them and they're in the "Rest of World" number that is sitting now at $132 Million.


Grand total now is $367,528,000, which is $107,472,000 shy of breaking even. This shouldn't be a problem now. It should have that in another 10 days, but we won't actually see it happen until the international numbers are updated 2 weekends from now unless there's still more international numbers that Bruce hasn't added showing up in the next 2 days or so, or it makes enough in the US in that time to show up earlier than that, which probably isn't likely.


YOLO is looking at $479 Million worldwide now, so Dp2 is catching up, but Bruce has been behind on reporting for the Chinese movies and that one could actually have quite a bit more than that which he just hasn't reported yet.


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Somehow, Madame Web is at $96,620,000 worldwide right now, up from $80 Million 9 days ago. Bruce must have found some international money again, because that $16 Million didn't come from new money. Only about $4 Million of that was from the US in the last 6 days, so I find it very hard to believe it pulled in an additional $12 Million internationally in that time.

It will hit $100 Million now for sure, so at least it won't lose over $100 Million for Sony.

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Sunday, March 10, 2024 7:32 PM

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But then he read the sequel (which he couldn't even remember the name of now) and said he made it about 20 or 30 pages in and quit. His exact words were "It was like it wasn't even written by the same author. I hated it."

So, here would be my suggestions if they do make Dune 3...

1) CUT THAT BUDGET

2) Do what Hollywood always does here and take extreme liberty with the source material. It's 2024. I doubt very much that a vast majority of people who saw and loved the first two flicks actually read the book. This means you've got new fans.

Get some ACTUAL talented writers without checking off boxes for your ESG scores, keep the woke shit out of it, and just tell a good fucking story. It's possible to use the original written work as bullet points for the main topics while transforming it to something much more palatable on screen without completely ruining the work.

Also... don't stray too far from the original that you break the story and it doesn't fit in with the later books. Those bullet points are important. Use the original work as guard rails that bring you to the same conclusion so you can fluidly make a transition to the next book, which was hopefully better than "Messiah" was.

This means that you need actual fans of the original work employed on the production of the 3rd movie. None of this hiring a bunch of no-names and never-was "talent" and telling them specifically NOT to read the original works and come up with whatever they want. This ain't a Kindergarten class headed by a tranny teacher here. It's now a Billion dollar franchise that you don't want to fuck up with a bunch of otherwise unemployable pink-haired idiots running the show.
Save your advice for a brand-new movie trilogy. Dune is an old trilogy and the same old people, including the producers, for Dune 1 and 2 will be working on Dune 3, assuming the producers can bamboozle the Warner Bros. studio heads into squandering money on it. As for your suggestion "1) CUT THAT BUDGET" that will NOT happen because it is the same old people. Out of self-interest, they will insist that the weak story from the second book Dune Messiah (6ix's Elder says "I hated it.") needs an even bigger budget and more advertisement than a strong story.

Who decides how much Dune 3 is budgeted by Warner Bros? Toby Emmerich Out As Warner Bros Motion Picture Group Chairman; Michael De Luca & Pam Abdy To Lead Studio
June 1, 2022 9:19am
https://deadline.com/2022/06/toby-emmerich-warner-bros-departure-12350
36598/

Since taking over the studio in July 2022, De Luca and Abdy have struck some pricey deals ‘Joker 2’ Budget Hits $200 Million
Feb 21, 2024
https://variety.com/2024/film/news/warner-bros-spending-joker-2-budget
-tom-cruise-deal-1235917640/

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Sunday, March 10, 2024 10:05 PM

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As for your suggestion "1) CUT THAT BUDGET" that will NOT happen because it is the same old people. Out of self-interest, they will insist that the weak story from the second book Dune Messiah (6ix's Elder says "I hated it.") needs an even bigger budget and more advertisement than a strong story.


Well that's the same kind of cynical attitude that lead Hollywood ultimately down the DEI path to their own downfall.

Big budgets and huge advertising campaigns with weak stories only worked for 2 movies last year. WB heads had better ask themselves if Dune 3 is worth it.

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Dune Director Says TV Has ‘Corrupted’ Movies

By Ben Campbell | Published: Mar 11, 2024

https://www.screengawk.com/dune-director-says-tv-has-corrupted-movies/

Villeneuve Hates TV

Director of the blockbuster hit “Dune” and its highly anticipated sequel, Denis Villeneuve, said television has corrupted the quality of movies.

In an interview with a British media outlet, the director argued movies have experienced a decrease in quality in recent years as Hollywood continues to worry more about a release date than the film itself.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/denis-villeneuve-on-dune-part-two-y
oung-people-want-films-to-be-longer-jd0q2rrwp

Dune: Part Two

After Villeneuve’s success with “Dune,” an adaptation of Frank Herbert’s 1965 science fiction novel of the same title, it wasn’t long before the sequel was set in motion.

In the wake of the release of “Dune: Part Two,” Villeneuve has received plenty of praise for his role in directing the movie.

'Movies Have Become Corrupted by TV'

Speaking in an interview with The Times, Villeneuve talked about the sequel before sharing his thoughts about the decline of movies.

“Movies have been corrupted by television,” said the “Dune” director.

Villeneuve Is Not a Fan of Dialogue

The “Dune” director explained this problem stems from movies focusing too much on dialogue and not the overall experience.

During the interview, Villeneuve expressed his dislike of dialogue, stating, “Frankly, I hate dialogue.”

Dune Director Argues Dialogue Is for Theater

“Dialogue is for theater and television. I don’t remember movies because of a good line; I remember movies because of a strong image. I’m not interested in dialogue at all.”

Villeneuve continued, per Variety, “Pure image and sound, that is the power of cinema, but it is something not obvious when you watch movies today. Movies have been corrupted by television.”

Villeneuve Aspires to Make a Movie Without Words

As the interview continued, Villeneuve spoke of his desire to make a movie without dialogue.

“In a perfect world, I’d make a compelling movie that doesn’t feel like an experiment but does not have a single word in it either,” he said.

Dune Director Says Viewers Would Enjoy His Movie Without Words

The “Dune” director explained that while a movie without words would be an unusual experience, the viewers would be captivated by the end result.

“People would leave the cinema and say, ‘Wait, there was no dialogue?’ But they won’t feel the lack,” he said.

Villeneuve Toys with Idea of Making HBO Show

Villeneuve’s recent comments suggest he is not a fan of the television industry. Yet, the director was in talks with HBO last year about the possibility of directing a show.

According to reports, the “Dune” Director was in talks with HBO to bring Jo Nesbo’s novel**, “The Son,” to life and had even planned to make Jake Gyllenhaal the main character.

Dune Director Trashes HBO Plans

Speaking about the potential project with HBO, Villeneuve said, “It’s a project that I absolutely love. And I love the book. I love that writer, very strong writer.”

Yet, at the beginning of 2024, Villeneuve announced that he would not be going through with the project as it was simply not the right medium for him.

Villeneuve Earns the Respect of Critics for Dune: Part Two

It appears that for the time being, Villeneuve will stick to movies. “Dune: Part Two” was released at the beginning of March and has already earned the director respect among critics.

With a run time of over three hours, it’s one of few movies that have opted for the bold length and been successful.

Dune Director Trusts the Audience

When asked by The Times whether or not he was nervous about such a long run time, the director replied, “I trust the audience.”

He continued, “This story’s too dense. I would never make ‘Dune’ as one movie. This was the only way I could succeed.”

Potential for a Third Dune Movie in the Future

Villeneuve has admitted in previous interviews he’d be interested in creating a third “Dune” movie. It would be based on the second of Herbert’s novels, “Dune Messiah.”

“There is absolutely a desire to have a third one, but I don’t want to rush it,” Villeneuve said. “The danger in Hollywood is that people get excited and only think about release dates, not quality.”

** The Son: A Novel by Jo Nesbø
Villeneuve said, “It’s a project that I absolutely love. And I love the book. I love that writer, very strong writer.”

The author of the best-selling Harry Hole series now gives us an electrifying stand-alone novel set inside Oslo’s maze of especially venal, high-level corruption.

Sonny Lofthus is a strangely charismatic and complacent young man. Sonny’s been in prison for a dozen years, nearly half his life. The inmates who seek out his uncanny abilities to soothe leave his cell feeling absolved. They don’t know or care that Sonny has a serious heroin habit - or where or how he gets his uninterrupted supply of the drug. Or that he’s serving time for other peoples’ crimes.

Sonny took the first steps toward addiction when his father took his own life rather than face exposure as a corrupt cop. Now Sonny is the seemingly malleable center of a whole infrastructure of corruption: prison staff, police, lawyers, a desperate priest - all of them focused on keeping him high and in jail. And all of them under the thumb of the Twin, Oslo’s crime overlord. As long as Sonny gets his dope, he’s happy to play the criminal and the prison’s in-house savior.

But when he learns a stunning, long-hidden secret concerning his father, he makes a brilliantly executed escape from prison - and from the person he’d let himself become - and begins hunting down those responsible for the crimes against him.... The darkly looming question is: Who will get to him first - the criminals or the cops?

https://www.amazon.com/The-Son-Jo-Nesbo-audiobook/dp/B00J5PND7I/

Download the free novel from the mirrors at https://libgen.is/fiction/?q=Jo+Nesbo+Son

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Monday, March 11, 2024 10:11 PM

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“In a perfect world, I’d make a compelling movie that doesn’t feel like an experiment but does not have a single word in it either,” he said.


Okay... So he's a crazy person. Got it.

Good luck with your silent movie in 2024 buddy.

Hell... good luck even getting funding for that idea.



Exposition dumps are a real problem in Hollywood though. The constant spoon feeding the audience that they think (and probably are often right about) are too stupid to understand what's going on if somebody isn't always spelling it out for them. Or always telling us about something that happened with boring dialog instead of actually showing it on screen. He's not wrong about that.

But what he's talking about is the extreme opposite and nobody is going to pay to see that either.

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Quote:
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“In a perfect world, I’d make a compelling movie that doesn’t feel like an experiment but does not have a single word in it either,” he said.


Okay... So he's a crazy person. Got it.

Good luck with your silent movie in 2024 buddy.

Hell... good luck even getting funding for that idea.



Exposition dumps are a real problem in Hollywood though. The constant spoon feeding the audience that they think (and probably are often right about) are too stupid to understand what's going on if somebody isn't always spelling it out for them. Or always telling us about something that happened with boring dialog instead of actually showing it on screen. He's not wrong about that.

But what he's talking about is the extreme opposite and nobody is going to pay to see that either.

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I don't have a copy of the script, but I suspect there are fewer than 1,000 words spoken in the hours of Dune: Part Two.

Quotes from Dune: Part Two
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt15239678/quotes/?ref_=tt_trv_qu

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
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I don't have a copy of the script, but I suspect there are fewer than 1,000 words spoken in the hours of Dune: Part Two.


I haven't heard anybody mention this anywhere. You're going to need to back that up.

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Tuesday, March 12, 2024 1:41 AM

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Dakota Johnson sounds pretty fucking based.

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“In a perfect world, I’d make a compelling movie that doesn’t feel like an experiment but does not have a single word in it either,” he said.


Okay... So he's a crazy person. Got it.

Good luck with your silent movie in 2024 buddy.

Hell... good luck even getting funding for that idea.



Exposition dumps are a real problem in Hollywood though. The constant spoon feeding the audience that they think (and probably are often right about) are too stupid to understand what's going on if somebody isn't always spelling it out for them. Or always telling us about something that happened with boring dialog instead of actually showing it on screen. He's not wrong about that.

But what he's talking about is the extreme opposite and nobody is going to pay to see that either.

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I don't have a copy of the script, but I suspect there are fewer than 1,000 words spoken in the hours of Dune: Part Two.

Quotes from Dune: Part Two
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt15239678/quotes/?ref_=tt_trv_qu

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly



I took the liberty of downloading a soundtrack file and removing the time stamps, then uploading it to a word counting site. I removed 2 or three bits that weren't even dialogue and were likely scenery shots with a change of location on them.

I'm curious where you got your information from, or what led you to suspect it was under 1,000 words, because it appears that you were right.

952 words.


For comparison's sake, Pulp Fiction used the F Bomb 265 times, which alone would have accounted for 27.8% of the entire dialogue of Dune: Part 2. Swearnet: The Movie, made by the guys from Canada who did the Trailer Park Boys holds the records for the most F Bombs in a movie and dropped the F Bomb 935 times in only 1 hour and 52 minutes. That one word in Swearnet was 98.2% of the entire dialog of Dune: Part 2.



This had better be a cinematographic masterpiece, because although it's said that brevity is the heart of wit, the 952 words you do hear throughout the 2 hour and 46 minute runtime is about a 5th grade reading level. A 2024 5th grade reading level mind you... maybe about a 2nd grade reading level in the 1990s.





For anybody who cares, here you go...

Behold, the dialogue of Dune: Part 2

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Enemy.

Do you hear that?

The rats are calling a worm.

Worms!

Unit, climb. Now!

Look for wormsign.

We're ok.

No Shields!

I got you, rat.

You're not welcome here.

Jamis! Jamis!

You killed Jamis!

Spies!

Witch!

Stop! Stop!

They don't know what
they're saying.

Lisan al-Gaib! Lisan al-Gaib!

Mahdi!

I need your guidance with
the two foreigners.

Give them back to the desert.

I saw the signs.

Again.

Stilgar, your faith is
playing tricks on you.

The Lisan al-Gaib has not
shown his face yet!

He speaks our language.

He will quickly learn our ways.

I'm ready to pledge my life for him.

The desert will handle his fate.

What about the woman?

Too spicy for the foreigner?

He'll look pretty with blue eyes.

Don't mock him.

He deserves our respect
He's a good fighter.

To the well, our water we return.

We bless our brother, Jamis.

Amen.

She'll drink worm piss.

Not funny.

He's about to lose her.

If she’s stupid enough to
drink poison.

Shut up!

We are praying.

Here is the Water of Life.

It frees the soul.

If you drink

you shall die.

If you drink

you may see.

Drink!

What have we done.

She is pregnant.

That was no miracle!

You saw it with your own eyes!

The Mother of the Lisan al-Gaib

shall survive the Holy Poison

and She did.

As written!

Her people wrote that!

Blasphemy.

The prophecy has been accomplished.

The Mahdi most be Fremen!

Arrakis must be freed
by its own people!

I'm here to learn your ways.

I he Mahdi is foo humble
to say He is the Mahdi.

Even more reason
to know He is!

As written!

Kwisatz Haderach
show us the way.

You will see!

The beauty and the horror!

He doesn't know how to cross.

Stilgar is going to get him killed.

What is he trying to prove?

What do you think?

"The Prophet shall know
the ways of the desert."

I think it's for the best.

What's this?

You care for him now?

He's not like the other strangers.

He's sincere.

You saw what he did.

He saw it coming

and he saved her life.

He saw it.

He can foresee.

Muad'Dib likes his smell.

Then I'll die

maybe you will too.

But the others will keep going.

And they won't stop
until the Fremen are free.

He deserves to be Fedaykin.

He needs names, Stilgar.

He does!

Like Usul.

The base of the pillar.

Don't embarrass us!

Call a big one!

Stilgar taught him well.

Enough joking.

This is the final test.

Whoa! Not that big.

As written.

Reverend Mother!

Muad'Dib made peace with Shai-Hulud.

He called a grandfather worm

the biggest ever seen.

As written!

Shai-Hulud shall bow
to the Boy from the Outer World.

Bless the Maker and His works.

Will not Shai-Hulud know the Mahdi when He comes?

Then share the Word.

Will you always be with me?

Reverend Mother!

Your palanquin is ready!

Reverend Mother, we have to go!

They're the Guardians of the South.

It's a hard crossing

but Shai-Hulud is strong.

The rats are traveling fast.

Move!

Under our glorious black sun

our beloved leader
Baron Vladimir Harkonnen.

His presence today, watching over

a spectacle of blood and honor

marks the Holy Birthday

of our beloved na-Baron, Feyd-Rautha.

In celebration of our
na-Baron Feyd-Rautha

we present a special treat

the last three specimens of House Atreides.

All hail na-Baron feyd-Rautha!

The new Planetary
Governor of Arrakis.

What do you think of the outsider?

I think he's trouble.

No, I trust Usul

There’s only one at a time...

or they fight each other to death.

What age?

Very young.

My daughter asks, how is it done?

The Water of Life.

You question the prophecy?

No man will survive.

They're all dead!

I lost them all in the fire.

The whole of the North has been hit.

There is a call for a war council
in the South.

Every leader must attend.

Muad'Dib, they're waiting for you.

None off these people
will leave without you

I can't go South.

You're not allowed in here, stranger.

Leave or die.

I should be welcomed.

If you drink you shall die.

If you drink you may see.

Who knows about this?

Only you, Reverend Mother.

Good.

Where are the others?

They just arrived from the North.

Because He is the One.

The Lisan al-Gaib should find His way

to where no man has ever been.

You're insane!

He shall come back from the dead

with Desert Spring tears.

Bring me a drop of Water of Life.

As written.

Do you smash a knife
before battle?

There is no one in this room

who can stand against me.

Your mothers warned you
about my coming.

Fear the moment.

But you're afraid.

What if I could be the One?

This could be the moment you've been
praying for, all your life.

Right now you’re praying to your grandma...

...that died nine lifetimes ago

She lost an eye.

A rock smashed her face
as she was crossing the Belt.

She was twelve when it happened.

At that time, this world
had a Fremen name.

In your nightmares

you give water to the dead

and it brings joy to your heart.

Mahdi, what do you foresee for us?

Green Paradise.

Lisan al-Gaib.

Show us the Way!

The Hand of God be my witness.

I am the Voice from the Outer World

I will lead you

to PARADISE!

As you foresaw, Muad'Dib.

A great-grandmother
of a storm.

He brought his whole army.

Long live the fighters!

They speak the truth.

Long live the fighters!

Bring the prisoners to the Residency.

Kill the Sardaukar.

Give the Baron's body to the desert.





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Wednesday, March 13, 2024 7:29 PM

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Madame Web has completely flat-lined here, earning less than $200k the last two days.

It only needs $3 Million more to hit $100 Million though, so I can't imagine it doesn't do that once the international numbers come in, regardless of how terrible it does in the US this weekend.

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Dune Two Little

How can a movie be so big and, at the same time, so small?

By Aaron Bady | March 15, 202412:53 PM

https://slate.com/culture/2024/03/dune-2-movies-frank-herbert-books-me
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The first half a dozen chapters [of Dune] are mostly just Paul—and the reader—being schooled in the novel’s world and the techniques of living in it.

But Herbert’s characters also overthink things. From the Bene Gesserit, to the Mentats, to the mind-expanding spice eaters on Arrakis, the galactic future superpower is comprehension and prediction; the novel’s plot is essentially a chess game between a variety of players trying to think more moves ahead than their opponents. Most conflicts come down to, and are resolved by, the information available to predict and understand different chains of causation of extrapolated effects. So much so, in fact, that it becomes oppressive, as Paul’s prescience narrows his sense of possibilities to a sharp and horrible point: The more clearly you can see the future, the less agency you have to actually choose in the present. The novel itself is a story already told, with each chapter opening with quotations from books Princess Irulan will write about Paul’s life, from the future in which the events of the novel have long since been decided. In this way, the novel trains you in hopelessness, the same way Paul comes of age with the discovery that the world, which seems so full of possibility when you are young, is actually a book already written and closed.

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The Sterile Spectacle of “Dune: Part Two”

By Justin Chang | February 27, 2024

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2024/03/11/dune-part-two-movie-revi
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Justin Chang at the New Yorker is in the very, very, very small minority.

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/dune_part_two

208 reviewers have given it a 95% rating on Rotten Tomatoes. 53 "Top Critics" have given it a 92%.

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6ix, are you now a believer that Hollywood knows what the audience wants?


No. Not at all.

But I have a really good track record of predicting which movies are going to be successes and which are going to be flops.

Dune Part 2 is going to be a success and will easily make enough to be 1st place worldwide until something more successful comes out.

Quote:
As if gunpowder was never invented, Dune's armies of swordsmen fight to death. In this future, even spears, bows and arrows are too high tech. It's swords and more swords. And still more swords. Slash/slash/stab!


Whatever. Don't care. I'm not interested in the movie.

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Ticket sales will be the proof that Hollywood knows what the audience wants.


No. Ticket sales will be the proof that this movie is a success. We've already had one major box office failure with Argylle, and there will be plenty more in 2024. Less than there would have been though because Disney pumped the breaks and isn't really releasing much this year.


Bruce is predicting DP2 pulls in another $36 Million this weekend and takes back 1st place from Kung Fu Panda 4 with a $31 Million prediction.

It's got $388 Million worldwide right now, and there should be at least $50 or $60 Million more added to the international numbers by Monday. It should be sitting $475 Million worldwide easily by Monday, though I doubt we'll see it hit $500 Million by then.

YOLO is currently sitting at $479 Million, with just about $1 Million in the US box office.

The only real question now is whether it takes just this weekend for Dune: Part 2 to become the top worldwide grossing movie worldwide in 2024 or if we have to wait until next weekend to see that happen.

I don't expect it to happen this weekend because we don't know what kind of bump YOLO is still going to get in China for the last week. But there is a possibility that DP2 could overtake it before next weekend if it's still grossing $2 to $4 Million per day in the US on the weekdays next week.

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Saturday, March 16, 2024 12:49 PM

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Total flatline for Madame Web now. Friday saw just $115k after Thursday's $90k. It won't even come close to half a million for the weekend. Honestly, I can't believe it's still in 2,000+ theaters for another week. It probably loses 1,400 of them or so on Thursday.

I'm curious to see if the International Bump puts it over $100 Million this weekend or not.

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Sunday, March 17, 2024 12:34 PM

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Dune: Part 2 failed to meet Bruce's expectations this weekend according to previews. It's a close race, but it appears that Kung Fu Panda 4 (which also under-performed) has $30 Million in previews to DP2's $29.1 Million.

If those projections are correct, it's going to need to get the high end of my international prediction of $50 to $60 Million added to hit $475 Million by the end of the weekend.

If it fails to do this, it probably won't be until the international numbers come in next weekend that we finally see a Hollywood movie dethrone YOLO and the other Chinese movies that have ruled the first 2.5 months of the worldwide box office in 2024.

As of writing this, Dune: Part 2 sits in 3rd place behind YOLO and Pegasus 2.

https://www.the-numbers.com/box-office-records/worldwide/all-movies/cu
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In other news, Madame Web makes only $400k in the US this weekend. It's about $2.5 Million shy of hitting $100 Million, so we'll have to wait and see if the internationals get it over the hump by Monday.

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Though it had a weaker than expected weekend in the US, it is doing even stronger overseas than expected.

As of now, Dune: Part 2 is already topping the Worldwide 2024 charts with $494.7 Million, so it looks like it made the high end of my international prediction plus another $20 or so Million on top of that.

Not sure if YOLO is still doing good business in China, so we'll see where it lands after YOLOs numbers are updated, but by next weekend it won't even be a close race for 1st place anymore.


As I predicted before this movie hit theaters, it will be the top worldwide earner heading into spring, and by Monday it will have made half a Billion worldwide if the projections weren't low and bump it up before Monday's numbers come in.


Bruce ends his article today by saying this...

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Overall, Warner Bros. reports that Dune: Part Two is tracking 67% ahead of Dune, which puts it on track for about $535 million internationally by the end of its run. If it tops $250 million domestically, that will give it somewhere between $750 million and $800 million worldwide.


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Bruce says Madame Web was in 1,058 theaters last weekend. It will probably still be in that many until Thursday night.

Just saw this article claiming that Sony is pulling it.

https://comicbookmovie.com/spider_man/madame-web/madame-web-sony-pulls
-marvel-movie-from-theaters-after-just-5-weekends-and-its-a-bigger-flop-than-morbius-a209942#gs.6lnryj

Doesn't look like it got any international bump this week. It may have already been pulled internationally.

If nothing changes, it didn't even crack $100 Million.





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Looks like YOLO is done. I didn't see any international bump at all this weekend and it still hasn't been bumped from $479 Million this late into the week.

Currently, Dune: Part 2 has $512 Million worldwide and is still pulling in nearly $3 Million per day in the States.


Any bets on the next US released movie that will knock off the Chinese movies that are otherwise still dominating the top 5?

Kung Fu Panda is never going to bump YOLO or Pegasus 2, or even Article 20 for that matter, but it will likely take 5th place from Boonie Bears: Time Twist unless that was a new release and is still going to make a killing in China.

https://www.the-numbers.com/box-office-records/worldwide/all-movies/cu
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28.10.2021

The Contested Politics of ‘Dune’

It’s a Trap

Herbert said many times that Dune’s central theme is the ‘Dangers of the Superhero’. In a piece of that name, republished in Tim O’Reilly’s The Maker of Dune, Herbert claims that ‘the original spark’ of the novel was his conviction that ‘superheroes are disastrous for mankind’, and a desire to dramatise how the mythmaking impulse that crowns a Hero inevitably conjures a toxic, totalitarian social system of ‘demagogues, fanatics, con-game artists… [and] innocent and not so innocent bystanders.’

Dune, then, explores what makes the Hero seductive enough that people willingly, even rapturously, ‘turn over their judgement and decision-making faculties’. This framing locates Dune alongside projects like Adorno’s ‘F-Scale’, in the grand tradition of postwar theorising about fascist subjectivity. Rather than theorise the seductiveness of the fascist imagination, Herbert’s novel is intended to function as a trap, a mechanism intended both to perform the siren song of hero-worship and simultaneously estrange them from that experience, exposing their own complicit desires for it.

The result is a text in which the surface narrative of imperial power fantasy is conveyed through multiple viewpoints, each of which undercuts and complicates the others. The novel provides plenty of clues for how readers are intended to approach this hedge of perspectives. An example is Leto’s advice to a young Paul:

‘Knowing where the trap is—that’s the first step in evading it. This is like single combat, Son, only on a larger scale—a feint within a feint within a feint… seemingly without end. The task is to unravel it.’

Leto speaks of the politics in the novel, but his advice applies to the politics of the novel, too. Little should be taken at face value. Each element of the narrative is meant to provoke reactions in the reader, misdirect their attention, and set them up for the next confounding or estranging jolt.

The critical elements of the novel are found in the framing and subtext, in the interplay of perspective, and especially in the sardonic tone that suffuses the text. Here again, the text offers the careful reader clear instruction. In one of the epigraphs framing the narrative, Paul says of his own performance as a ‘hero’:

‘The person experiencing greatness… must have a strong sense of the sardonic. This is what uncouples him from belief in his own pretensions. The sardonic is all that permits him to move within himself.’

Dune’s dour, self-lacerating tone is what allows the novel to ‘move within’ itself and its own heroic pretensions. Stilted dialogue, caustic asides, and other sour notes dampen ostensibly epic and exciting plot elements, recasting Paul’s ‘hero’s journey’ as a descent into cynical self-destruction, as when Paul turns to his companion Stilgar in a moment of triumph to find his friend has ‘become a worshipper,’ a mere ‘creature’ ruined by Paul’s own ambition. By poisoning its feast of fascist aesthetics, the novel strives to put us off the taste for good.

The first and in some ways most important reader to fall into this trap was John W. Campbell, editor of Analog magazine, where the first version of Dune was serially published. A notorious aficionado of psychic übermenschen, Campbell was thrilled by this ‘grand yarn’, and his correspondence with Herbert about the manuscript shows little initial awareness of its critical treatment of his favourite themes.

Campbell’s embrace allowed the ambitious narrative to see the light of day: without the Analog publication, Herbert would have had an even harder time selling the text as a novel. But his reaction also showed the weakness in the book’s approach. While the seductive fascist aesthetic is right up on the surface, inescapable, the critical and estranging elements have proved all too easy to miss, by Campbell and generations of readers that have followed him. Worse, this narrative mechanism is most likely to fail those already targeted for fascist recruiting: young people and those under-served by our devastated educational systems.

Much more at https://tribunemag.co.uk/2021/10/dune-denis-villeneuve-frank-herbert-s
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Trump’s superhero narrative is clearly laughable – but there is a sinister side to it too

The protagonists of superhero movies are always discovering that they’ve been lied to and manipulated by shadowy forces who control the world and their perceptions
By Noah Berlatsky | Thursday 15 December 2022 19:29 GMT

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/trump-major-announcement-superher
o-qanon-b2246169.html



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Thursday, March 21, 2024 2:56 PM

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Oh... BTW...

It appears that there is actually a lot more dialogue in Dune: Part 2 than just 952 words. Much of the movie is spoken in some foreign (likely made up) language with subtitles provided on screen.

The text that I had pulled from the subtitle file for the movie would have just been the English words being spoken, since making a subtitle file for the subtitles already on screen for the foreign words wouldn't only be redundant, but would likely be superimposed over them in such a way where they were virtually unreadable.

That being said, I have no idea how many words are actually spoken in the movie, but it's a lot more than 1,000.

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Bruce says Madame Web was in 1,058 theaters last weekend. It will probably still be in that many until Thursday night.

Just saw this article claiming that Sony is pulling it.

https://comicbookmovie.com/spider_man/madame-web/madame-web-sony-pulls
-marvel-movie-from-theaters-after-just-5-weekends-and-its-a-bigger-flop-than-morbius-a209942#gs.6lnryj

Doesn't look like it got any international bump this week. It may have already been pulled internationally.

If nothing changes, it didn't even crack $100 Million.



It appears that article wasn't correct. According to Bruce's theater counts, Madame Web will still be playing in 172 theaters in the US, down from 1,058 last week.


It's at $97,616,825 worldwide right now. It only made $17,000 on Thursday night, which I believe still would have been in the 1,058 theaters. At least that's how Bruce lists Thursday movies on his charts, but it's never really been explained how all of those Thursday night preview movies get screens if they don't leach them off of the under-performing movies, so who knows?

It only made around $33k on Wednesday night regardless, so whether the further drop was from less theaters or the new Ghostbusters movie being released or a combination of both probably doesn't matter at all. I can't even really guess if it will hit $100 Million or not at this point. Bruce sometimes is still changing the final figures for movies that have been out of theaters 7 or 8 months later, and despite its poor performance it did make enough money where a $2.5 swing in its favor on the international numbers isn't out of the question. It won't be getting any more help in the US. Maybe up to $150k to $200k more if it sticks around for a few more weeks, but that's about it.





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My old man actually did go to see Dune 2 with my brother this week. They like to support the local theater but the choices they've had for months now with only 2 screens have been pretty poor so they haven't been there a while.

My brother wanted to see Kung Fu Panda 4. My old man says that they should have seen Kung Fu Panda 4. They weren't very impressed.

I could tell that neither of them cared any more than I do about it. I knew that neither of them saw the first part and I asked them if they were going to watch it first and they didn't bother. Kung Fu Panda 4 would have been the better choice to just see a movie to support the local family theater. 2 hours and 44 minutes is a big time investment for a mid movie you don't care about watching.

I dunno... Me and my old man love sci-fi, and he loved the first Dune book when he read it. But I'm not surprised about his lackluster review on this. It appears to have its fans for sure, being the number 1 movie of 2024 with a likely worldwide total of $750 Million+ before it's out of theaters, but there's something about Dune that I just don't think it can be translated well enough into a movie format where I'm going to care enough to waste my time watching it.

It's probably like H.P. Lovecraft's stuff. Lovecraftian lore is great, but besides Dagon it's never been put to film in a great way. Even Dagon is just good. Most other attempts are pure trash.

John Carpenter seems to be the only one who can do Lovecraftian horror right, with both The Thing and In the Mouth of Madness being excellent movies that found a large cult audience many years after they came out. But neither of them were adaptations of Lovecraft's work while being heavily inspired by it.

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My brother wanted to see Kung Fu Panda 4. My old man says that they should have seen Kung Fu Panda 4. They weren't very impressed.
A review from the National Catholic Register tells you what the movie is truly about. It is no Kung Fu Panda, that is for sure:

‘Dune: Part Two’ — False Messiahs and the Shifting Sands of Power

Denis Villeneuve’s masterpiece is a cinematic sci-fi triumph — and a stark cautionary tale.

https://www.ncregister.com/commentaries/lambert-dune-part-two

Stillsuits. Sandworms. Telepathic preborn babies. The weird world of Dune is a wonder to behold.

There is a deeply religious thread that runs through the story of Dune, and it is in this thread that the true crux of the story lies. The world of Dune is a complex universe filled with political factions, warring houses, and a history of mythic proportions. While Frank Herbert did not die a Catholic, he was raised in the faith and was greatly influenced by all the world’s major religions. In viewing the world of Dune through a Catholic lens, it very much fits into the via negativa line of thought — that is, it is an exploration of how religion, and therefore power, can be misused and abused. Herbert wrote Dune as a warning against religious fanaticism and how power seems to necessarily attract corruptible people, and in this sense, Dune: Part Two succeeds in telling the tragedy of Paul Atreides — and indeed, it is a tragedy, for Paul is the epitome of an anti-hero. While the Fremen eventually come to revere him as their savior, they do so only after Paul spends a good portion of the film wrestling with this self-fulfilling prophecy; for as his visions show, his ascendancy to power sparks a holy war that leaves billions of dead across the galaxy.

There are also clear allusions to several key elements of Catholic theology: early in the film, Lady Jessica drinks a mysterious blue liquid called The Water of Life, and through this “baptism by spice,” she is transformed into a Reverend Mother, a religious sage whom the Fremen look to for guidance and wisdom. Water itself is also a precious symbol representing life, and the Fremen treat it as sacred. Then there is the rather obvious parallel between Paul’s journey and the life of Christ, albeit an inversion of it, for Paul’s promise of turning Arrakis into a “green paradise” will come at a great cost to others’ lives and not his own.

It is also a philosophical examination of the nature of power and its forms. Watching through a Christian lens, one can’t help but feel triumphant sorrow for the character of Paul Atreides and his rise as Muad’dib, the Lisan al Gaib, Voice from the Outer World. He is unwittingly cast into a role that he never wanted in the first place, but it becomes unavoidable as the nature of what he must do to gain political power over his opponents comes into clearer focus. Thus, the burden of sin remains heavy and all-encompassing, even thousands of years into the fictional future.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Sunday, March 24, 2024 10:54 AM

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Well if that's the case, I think I'd rather watch The Life of Brian again instead.



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Well if that's the case, I think I'd rather watch The Life of Brian again instead.

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Why did the Emperor want to destroy House Atreides?
https://www.google.com/search?q=why+did+the+emperor+want+to+destroy+ho
use+atreides

Paul Atreides took his revenge one step too far by overthrowing the Emperor. If he hadn't done the childish thing by forcing the Emperor to bow-down, the war in the next Dune movie would have been avoided. Paul's wife was completely disgusted by Paul humbling the Emperor. She and Paul had discussed this over and over, had come to an agreement, but Paul broke the promise at the last minute. The end of the movie shows Paul's wife, mad as hell at him, marching out into the desert without Paul. Then the credits roll. THE END.

Movie-watching ex-husbands who frequently disappointed their wives probably can't make the connection with the disastrous war that will follow from Paul disappointing his wife at the end of Dune 2. But that is why they are divorced. Frank Herbert, who wrote Dune, learned that from personal experience with Flora Lillian Parkinson (married 1941; divorced 1943).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Herbert

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, March 25, 2024 1:56 AM

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Meh

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