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The Madame Web Failure Thread (And the Success of Dune: Part 2 Thread)
Saturday, March 2, 2024 7:01 AM
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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
Saturday, March 2, 2024 11:08 AM
6IXSTRINGJACK
Saturday, March 2, 2024 11:18 AM
Saturday, March 2, 2024 11:33 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: Nope. That's not woke. I'm so glad to hear that no Democrat voter has ever committed adultery or got a divorce. Good for you.
Saturday, March 2, 2024 11:51 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: Nope. That's not woke. I'm so glad to hear that no Democrat voter has ever committed adultery or got a divorce. Good for you. The difference is that a decent Democrat would be ashamed while a Trumptard desires that a shameless, adulterous, tax-cheating criminal be President because Trump is a worse version of themselves.
Quote:How's Dune doing?
Saturday, March 2, 2024 12:07 PM
Saturday, March 2, 2024 5:14 PM
Saturday, March 2, 2024 11:36 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: Variety: Box Office: ‘Dune: Part Two’ Rides to Impressive $32 Million Opening Day https://variety.com/2024/film/box-office/dune-2-opening-day-box-office-1235927316/ Yeah... But that's not exactly true though, is it? I have to give points to Variety for not waiting beyond the first paragraph of the article to point out that Part 2 made $12 Million of that in Thursday previews (and events that even predate Thursday), but why do they continue to put out misleading headlines when they know they're not the truth. Honestly, when I saw that the Friday number was only $32.6 Million this morning it came to me as a warning sign that Part 2 is not going to have the banner weekend that pretty much everyone unanimously agreed that it would. $20.6 Million on Friday is not great, coming off a $12 Million Preview night. Saturday's numbers are almost universally higher than Sunday's, so in order to get the $89 Million that Bruce predicted (or the flat $90 Million that many sites predicted), it's going to have to make something like $32 Million on Saturday alone. While it's true that Saturday's numbers are almost universally higher than Friday's numbers when you remove Preview Thursday numbers, I have some serious doubts about it grossing $12 Million more on Saturday than it did on Friday. It would appear that with the benefit of Friday's Projections that Bruce did not have when making his $89 Million prediction, The Wrap agrees with me. ‘Dune: Part Two’ Revives Box Office With $75 Million-Plus Opening Weekend https://www.thewrap.com/dune-part-two-revives-box-office-with-75-million-plus-opening-weekend/ I think they're low-balling it with $75 Million (Plus) and playing The Price is Right here. My range with the data we have now would be probably $78 to $81 Million. Add in probably another $1.5 Million for Warner Bros. lowballing the projections once late Monday comes and they reconcile the actual sales. If I was going to put an exact figure on it, I think $81 Million is a good number once we have the exact figures on Monday. So that's officially my guess. Any number between $81,000,000 and $81,999,999 for opening weekend. This would put it at the low end of many of the recent predictions for Dune: Part 2's opening weekend. -------------------------------------------------- Political correctness is just tyranny, with a smiley face.
Saturday, March 2, 2024 11:50 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack (January 28th): Girl Boss movies will fail. Comic Book Movies will fail. There doesn't appear to be a whole lot of either in 2024, but this one fits both molds for failure. Sorry SONY, but I'm betting on less than Morbius numbers on this one.
Sunday, March 3, 2024 2:00 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack (Around Noon, March 2nd): Variety: Box Office: ‘Dune: Part Two’ Rides to Impressive $32 Million Opening Day https://variety.com/2024/film/box-office/dune-2-opening-day-box-office-1235927316/ Yeah... But that's not exactly true though, is it? I have to give points to Variety for not waiting beyond the first paragraph of the article to point out that Part 2 made $12 Million of that in Thursday previews (and events that even predate Thursday), but why do they continue to put out misleading headlines when they know they're not the truth. Honestly, when I saw that the Friday number was only $32.6 Million this morning it came to me as a warning sign that Part 2 is not going to have the banner weekend that pretty much everyone unanimously agreed that it would. $20.6 Million on Friday is not great, coming off a $12 Million Preview night. Saturday's numbers are almost universally higher than Sunday's, so in order to get the $89 Million that Bruce predicted (or the flat $90 Million that many sites predicted), it's going to have to make something like $32 Million on Saturday alone. While it's true that Saturday's numbers are almost universally higher than Friday's numbers when you remove Preview Thursday numbers, I have some serious doubts about it grossing $12 Million more on Saturday than it did on Friday. It would appear that with the benefit of Friday's Projections that Bruce did not have when making his $89 Million prediction, The Wrap agrees with me. ‘Dune: Part Two’ Revives Box Office With $75 Million-Plus Opening Weekend https://www.thewrap.com/dune-part-two-revives-box-office-with-75-million-plus-opening-weekend/ I think they're low-balling it with $75 Million (Plus) and playing The Price is Right here. My range with the data we have now would be probably $78 to $81 Million. Add in probably another $1.5 Million for Warner Bros. lowballing the projections once late Monday comes and they reconcile the actual sales. If I was going to put an exact figure on it, I think $81 Million is a good number once we have the exact figures on Monday. So that's officially my guess. Any number between $81,000,000 and $81,999,999 for opening weekend. This would put it at the low end of many of the recent predictions for Dune: Part 2's opening weekend.
Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack (Just before Midnight, March 2nd): Bruce doesn't usually do an update to any of his predictions on Saturday, but he did today. His revised prediction is now between $75.8 Million and $84.4 Million, with the model giving an exact figure of $79,391,466. https://www.the-numbers.com/news/256360830-Saturday-update-Dune-shooting-for-80-million-debut-after-32-2-million-opening-day I don't need computer generated models to come up with my numbers. My prediction of $81,000,000 to $81,999,999 stands. I'm skewing higher than the middle of Bruce's range because I'm also factoring in the fact that studios are extremely likely to lowball their projections on opening weekend. The only time this didn't happen last year was a few occasions when Disney highballed their predictions because of embarrassing flops, which I also predicted they would do.
Quote:Although Dune 2 is coming in a bit behind our Friday-morning prediction, that’s partly for technical reasons. Warner Bros. didn’t split out spending on their IMAX special event last Sunday from Thursday preview earnings. We ignore those kind of details in the model because the studios aren’t consistent in how they report preview numbers, but in this case it resulted in a higher prediction. That said, there are a host of other factors that contribute to a film’s final opening weekend number (the number of theaters that don’t show previews, word of mouth etc.), so there is an argument that Dune 2 doesn’t have fantastic legs right now.
Monday, March 4, 2024 3:52 PM
Monday, March 4, 2024 11:05 PM
Tuesday, March 5, 2024 8:31 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: Nope. That's not woke. I'm so glad to hear that no Democrat voter has ever committed adultery or got a divorce. Good for you. The difference is that a decent Democrat would be ashamed while a Trumptard desires that a shameless, adulterous, tax-cheating criminal be President because Trump is a worse version of themselves. Oh, come off it. I've got to hear from you everyday about how Democrats don't ever lie, don't ever cheat, don't ever get divorced, never succumb to any vices, never get sick, yada yada yada... You wouldn't be ashamed of anything. You know no shame. I don't give one single shit that Trump cheated on his wives or got divorces from them. Neither do you. I'm not voting for Trump for Father or Husband of the Year. You didn't vote for Biden for Father or Husband of the Year either. Keep your fucking politics out of the cinema board and in the RWED where they belong. Quote:How's Dune doing?
Tuesday, March 5, 2024 9:57 AM
Tuesday, March 5, 2024 7:54 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: The way I choose to use my time is mine and none of your fucking business. You do you. Trump, election voting and the use of my time have nothing to do with Madame Web, Dune: Part 2 or Cinema. Keep your bullshit in the RWED, psychopath.
Wednesday, March 6, 2024 12:49 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: The way I choose to use my time is mine and none of your fucking business. You do you. Trump, election voting and the use of my time have nothing to do with Madame Web, Dune: Part 2 or Cinema. Keep your bullshit in the RWED, psychopath.I'm guessing that if you see Dune 2
Wednesday, March 6, 2024 8:45 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: I thought I was very clear. I will not see Dune: Part 2.
Wednesday, March 6, 2024 9:23 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: I thought I was very clear. I will not see Dune: Part 2.You will see it one day on TV for free.
Friday, March 8, 2024 9:37 AM
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Friday, March 8, 2024 10:36 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: You won't see any argument from me there. Hollywood budgets (including Dune: Part 2's budget) are stupid.
Friday, March 8, 2024 8:01 PM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: You won't see any argument from me there. Hollywood budgets (including Dune: Part 2's budget) are stupid.These numbers are genius as far as the producers' well-being is concerned once you realize that the producers are stealing most of the money by tricky bookkeeping and kickbacks from subcontractors. The credits at the end of the movies show dozens of special effects subcontractors, each getting squeezed by the producers. Is Hollywood accounting legal? https://www.google.com/search?q=is+hollywood+accounting+legal The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Saturday, March 9, 2024 7:09 AM
Saturday, March 9, 2024 10:01 AM
Sunday, March 10, 2024 1:38 PM
Sunday, March 10, 2024 3:39 PM
Sunday, March 10, 2024 7:32 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: But then he read the sequel (which he couldn't even remember the name of now) and said he made it about 20 or 30 pages in and quit. His exact words were "It was like it wasn't even written by the same author. I hated it." So, here would be my suggestions if they do make Dune 3... 1) CUT THAT BUDGET 2) Do what Hollywood always does here and take extreme liberty with the source material. It's 2024. I doubt very much that a vast majority of people who saw and loved the first two flicks actually read the book. This means you've got new fans. Get some ACTUAL talented writers without checking off boxes for your ESG scores, keep the woke shit out of it, and just tell a good fucking story. It's possible to use the original written work as bullet points for the main topics while transforming it to something much more palatable on screen without completely ruining the work. Also... don't stray too far from the original that you break the story and it doesn't fit in with the later books. Those bullet points are important. Use the original work as guard rails that bring you to the same conclusion so you can fluidly make a transition to the next book, which was hopefully better than "Messiah" was. This means that you need actual fans of the original work employed on the production of the 3rd movie. None of this hiring a bunch of no-names and never-was "talent" and telling them specifically NOT to read the original works and come up with whatever they want. This ain't a Kindergarten class headed by a tranny teacher here. It's now a Billion dollar franchise that you don't want to fuck up with a bunch of otherwise unemployable pink-haired idiots running the show.
Sunday, March 10, 2024 10:05 PM
Quote:Originally posted by second: As for your suggestion "1) CUT THAT BUDGET" that will NOT happen because it is the same old people. Out of self-interest, they will insist that the weak story from the second book Dune Messiah (6ix's Elder says "I hated it.") needs an even bigger budget and more advertisement than a strong story.
Monday, March 11, 2024 9:51 PM
Monday, March 11, 2024 10:11 PM
Quote:Originally posted by second: “In a perfect world, I’d make a compelling movie that doesn’t feel like an experiment but does not have a single word in it either,” he said.
Monday, March 11, 2024 10:21 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: Quote:Originally posted by second: “In a perfect world, I’d make a compelling movie that doesn’t feel like an experiment but does not have a single word in it either,” he said. Okay... So he's a crazy person. Got it. Good luck with your silent movie in 2024 buddy. Hell... good luck even getting funding for that idea. Exposition dumps are a real problem in Hollywood though. The constant spoon feeding the audience that they think (and probably are often right about) are too stupid to understand what's going on if somebody isn't always spelling it out for them. Or always telling us about something that happened with boring dialog instead of actually showing it on screen. He's not wrong about that. But what he's talking about is the extreme opposite and nobody is going to pay to see that either. -------------------------------------------------- Political correctness is just tyranny, with a smiley face.
Monday, March 11, 2024 11:34 PM
Quote:Originally posted by second: I don't have a copy of the script, but I suspect there are fewer than 1,000 words spoken in the hours of Dune: Part Two.
Tuesday, March 12, 2024 1:41 AM
Tuesday, March 12, 2024 9:06 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: Quote:Originally posted by second: “In a perfect world, I’d make a compelling movie that doesn’t feel like an experiment but does not have a single word in it either,” he said. Okay... So he's a crazy person. Got it. Good luck with your silent movie in 2024 buddy. Hell... good luck even getting funding for that idea. Exposition dumps are a real problem in Hollywood though. The constant spoon feeding the audience that they think (and probably are often right about) are too stupid to understand what's going on if somebody isn't always spelling it out for them. Or always telling us about something that happened with boring dialog instead of actually showing it on screen. He's not wrong about that. But what he's talking about is the extreme opposite and nobody is going to pay to see that either. -------------------------------------------------- Political correctness is just tyranny, with a smiley face.I don't have a copy of the script, but I suspect there are fewer than 1,000 words spoken in the hours of Dune: Part Two. Quotes from Dune: Part Two https://www.imdb.com/title/tt15239678/quotes/?ref_=tt_trv_qu The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Quote:Enemy. Do you hear that? The rats are calling a worm. Worms! Unit, climb. Now! Look for wormsign. We're ok. No Shields! I got you, rat. You're not welcome here. Jamis! Jamis! You killed Jamis! Spies! Witch! Stop! Stop! They don't know what they're saying. Lisan al-Gaib! Lisan al-Gaib! Mahdi! I need your guidance with the two foreigners. Give them back to the desert. I saw the signs. Again. Stilgar, your faith is playing tricks on you. The Lisan al-Gaib has not shown his face yet! He speaks our language. He will quickly learn our ways. I'm ready to pledge my life for him. The desert will handle his fate. What about the woman? Too spicy for the foreigner? He'll look pretty with blue eyes. Don't mock him. He deserves our respect He's a good fighter. To the well, our water we return. We bless our brother, Jamis. Amen. She'll drink worm piss. Not funny. He's about to lose her. If she’s stupid enough to drink poison. Shut up! We are praying. Here is the Water of Life. It frees the soul. If you drink you shall die. If you drink you may see. Drink! What have we done. She is pregnant. That was no miracle! You saw it with your own eyes! The Mother of the Lisan al-Gaib shall survive the Holy Poison and She did. As written! Her people wrote that! Blasphemy. The prophecy has been accomplished. The Mahdi most be Fremen! Arrakis must be freed by its own people! I'm here to learn your ways. I he Mahdi is foo humble to say He is the Mahdi. Even more reason to know He is! As written! Kwisatz Haderach show us the way. You will see! The beauty and the horror! He doesn't know how to cross. Stilgar is going to get him killed. What is he trying to prove? What do you think? "The Prophet shall know the ways of the desert." I think it's for the best. What's this? You care for him now? He's not like the other strangers. He's sincere. You saw what he did. He saw it coming and he saved her life. He saw it. He can foresee. Muad'Dib likes his smell. Then I'll die maybe you will too. But the others will keep going. And they won't stop until the Fremen are free. He deserves to be Fedaykin. He needs names, Stilgar. He does! Like Usul. The base of the pillar. Don't embarrass us! Call a big one! Stilgar taught him well. Enough joking. This is the final test. Whoa! Not that big. As written. Reverend Mother! Muad'Dib made peace with Shai-Hulud. He called a grandfather worm the biggest ever seen. As written! Shai-Hulud shall bow to the Boy from the Outer World. Bless the Maker and His works. Will not Shai-Hulud know the Mahdi when He comes? Then share the Word. Will you always be with me? Reverend Mother! Your palanquin is ready! Reverend Mother, we have to go! They're the Guardians of the South. It's a hard crossing but Shai-Hulud is strong. The rats are traveling fast. Move! Under our glorious black sun our beloved leader Baron Vladimir Harkonnen. His presence today, watching over a spectacle of blood and honor marks the Holy Birthday of our beloved na-Baron, Feyd-Rautha. In celebration of our na-Baron Feyd-Rautha we present a special treat the last three specimens of House Atreides. All hail na-Baron feyd-Rautha! The new Planetary Governor of Arrakis. What do you think of the outsider? I think he's trouble. No, I trust Usul There’s only one at a time... or they fight each other to death. What age? Very young. My daughter asks, how is it done? The Water of Life. You question the prophecy? No man will survive. They're all dead! I lost them all in the fire. The whole of the North has been hit. There is a call for a war council in the South. Every leader must attend. Muad'Dib, they're waiting for you. None off these people will leave without you I can't go South. You're not allowed in here, stranger. Leave or die. I should be welcomed. If you drink you shall die. If you drink you may see. Who knows about this? Only you, Reverend Mother. Good. Where are the others? They just arrived from the North. Because He is the One. The Lisan al-Gaib should find His way to where no man has ever been. You're insane! He shall come back from the dead with Desert Spring tears. Bring me a drop of Water of Life. As written. Do you smash a knife before battle? There is no one in this room who can stand against me. Your mothers warned you about my coming. Fear the moment. But you're afraid. What if I could be the One? This could be the moment you've been praying for, all your life. Right now you’re praying to your grandma... ...that died nine lifetimes ago She lost an eye. A rock smashed her face as she was crossing the Belt. She was twelve when it happened. At that time, this world had a Fremen name. In your nightmares you give water to the dead and it brings joy to your heart. Mahdi, what do you foresee for us? Green Paradise. Lisan al-Gaib. Show us the Way! The Hand of God be my witness. I am the Voice from the Outer World I will lead you to PARADISE! As you foresaw, Muad'Dib. A great-grandmother of a storm. He brought his whole army. Long live the fighters! They speak the truth. Long live the fighters! Bring the prisoners to the Residency. Kill the Sardaukar. Give the Baron's body to the desert.
Wednesday, March 13, 2024 7:29 PM
Friday, March 15, 2024 7:49 PM
Friday, March 15, 2024 10:10 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack (February 29th) Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: Quote:Originally posted by second: The Sterile Spectacle of “Dune: Part Two” By Justin Chang | February 27, 2024 https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2024/03/11/dune-part-two-movie-review Justin Chang at the New Yorker is in the very, very, very small minority. https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/dune_part_two 208 reviewers have given it a 95% rating on Rotten Tomatoes. 53 "Top Critics" have given it a 92%. -------------------------------------------------- Political correctness is just tyranny, with a smiley face.6ix, are you now a believer that Hollywood knows what the audience wants? No. Not at all. But I have a really good track record of predicting which movies are going to be successes and which are going to be flops. Dune Part 2 is going to be a success and will easily make enough to be 1st place worldwide until something more successful comes out. Quote:As if gunpowder was never invented, Dune's armies of swordsmen fight to death. In this future, even spears, bows and arrows are too high tech. It's swords and more swords. And still more swords. Slash/slash/stab! Whatever. Don't care. I'm not interested in the movie. Quote:Ticket sales will be the proof that Hollywood knows what the audience wants. No. Ticket sales will be the proof that this movie is a success. We've already had one major box office failure with Argylle, and there will be plenty more in 2024. Less than there would have been though because Disney pumped the breaks and isn't really releasing much this year.
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: Quote:Originally posted by second: The Sterile Spectacle of “Dune: Part Two” By Justin Chang | February 27, 2024 https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2024/03/11/dune-part-two-movie-review Justin Chang at the New Yorker is in the very, very, very small minority. https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/dune_part_two 208 reviewers have given it a 95% rating on Rotten Tomatoes. 53 "Top Critics" have given it a 92%. -------------------------------------------------- Political correctness is just tyranny, with a smiley face.6ix, are you now a believer that Hollywood knows what the audience wants?
Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: Quote:Originally posted by second: The Sterile Spectacle of “Dune: Part Two” By Justin Chang | February 27, 2024 https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2024/03/11/dune-part-two-movie-review Justin Chang at the New Yorker is in the very, very, very small minority. https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/dune_part_two 208 reviewers have given it a 95% rating on Rotten Tomatoes. 53 "Top Critics" have given it a 92%. -------------------------------------------------- Political correctness is just tyranny, with a smiley face.
Quote:Originally posted by second: The Sterile Spectacle of “Dune: Part Two” By Justin Chang | February 27, 2024 https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2024/03/11/dune-part-two-movie-review
Quote:As if gunpowder was never invented, Dune's armies of swordsmen fight to death. In this future, even spears, bows and arrows are too high tech. It's swords and more swords. And still more swords. Slash/slash/stab!
Quote:Ticket sales will be the proof that Hollywood knows what the audience wants.
Saturday, March 16, 2024 12:49 PM
Sunday, March 17, 2024 12:34 PM
Sunday, March 17, 2024 4:17 PM
Quote:Overall, Warner Bros. reports that Dune: Part Two is tracking 67% ahead of Dune, which puts it on track for about $535 million internationally by the end of its run. If it tops $250 million domestically, that will give it somewhere between $750 million and $800 million worldwide.
Monday, March 18, 2024 11:55 PM
Thursday, March 21, 2024 11:38 AM
Thursday, March 21, 2024 2:01 PM
Thursday, March 21, 2024 2:09 PM
Thursday, March 21, 2024 2:56 PM
Friday, March 22, 2024 2:19 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: Bruce says Madame Web was in 1,058 theaters last weekend. It will probably still be in that many until Thursday night. Just saw this article claiming that Sony is pulling it. https://comicbookmovie.com/spider_man/madame-web/madame-web-sony-pulls-marvel-movie-from-theaters-after-just-5-weekends-and-its-a-bigger-flop-than-morbius-a209942#gs.6lnryj Doesn't look like it got any international bump this week. It may have already been pulled internationally. If nothing changes, it didn't even crack $100 Million.
Friday, March 22, 2024 2:30 PM
Sunday, March 24, 2024 7:08 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: My brother wanted to see Kung Fu Panda 4. My old man says that they should have seen Kung Fu Panda 4. They weren't very impressed.
Sunday, March 24, 2024 10:54 AM
Sunday, March 24, 2024 6:15 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: Well if that's the case, I think I'd rather watch The Life of Brian again instead. -------------------------------------------------- Political correctness is just tyranny, with a smiley face.
Monday, March 25, 2024 1:56 AM
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