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Monday, December 31, 2018 3:30 AM
SHINYGOODGUY
Monday, December 31, 2018 3:44 AM
6IXSTRINGJACK
Monday, December 31, 2018 7:27 AM
JEWELSTAITEFAN
Quote:Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY: This movie totally belongs to Dick Cheney, it's all about the Vice president and the inner workings of politics in Washington....well, sort of. For those of you who are afraid of the facts, skip this movie. No seriously. For movie buffs, brace yourself, this is no walk in the park. It does NOT color by numbers, nor does it stay inside the lines. It is funny, it is irreverent, it starts and stops, but it is never boring. It is timely and current. I could see why, by the end of the movie, why it was nominated for best picture. Christian Bale and Amy Adams have a chemistry that is unmistakable. Both have been nominated for Best Actor in the Golden Globes, but this film belonged to Bale without question. He WAS Cheney. He was superb and carried this movie on his back. My feeling is he'll be going up against Cooper and Mortensen in the Oscars. The film followed his life from a country bumpkin drunkard to the White House. Only in America. But the film had a lot going for it, a lot more than your average political biopic. It had humor, satire, some biographic detail, narration and Shakespeare (you'll see). Like I said - never boring. It covers his life from humble beginnings in the 60s to present day. It even covers 9/11 and the aftermath. Is it "liberal?" - you betcha. No, wait a minute; it does briefly cover his run for office, the behind the scenes manipulations with the Bushes, also what went on behind closed doors in the White House, and the inevitable shenanigans during, before and after Iraq. Even his relationship with Dubya. So yeah, totally "liberal" but definitely hilarious and worth every penny. It is riveting and "avant garde" by not exactly following the rules of filmmaking, adding asides and flashes of brilliant commentary within the structure of the film. In other words, it deserves the Best Picture nomination it received from the Golden Globes. My guess is that it will be so honored come Oscar time. So yeah, you Republicans will not like this movie. So I am doing my civic duty by telling you - "stay away" do not pass go, do not collect $200. Just you wait until some filmmaker genius comes along and puts together a film about Trump. My one wish is that Adam McKay decides to tackle that little task, then you'll see some kick ass political satire starring, you guessed it - Alec Baldwin. Now wouldn't that be something. SGG
Wednesday, January 2, 2019 1:36 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Why am I afraid that 2018 liberals could actually make me sympathize with that monster after reading your review. Do Right, Be Right. :)
Wednesday, January 2, 2019 1:56 AM
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Quote:Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY: This movie totally belongs to Dick Cheney, it's all about the Vice president and the inner workings of politics in Washington....well, sort of. For those of you who are afraid of the facts, skip this movie. No seriously. For movie buffs, brace yourself, this is no walk in the park. It does NOT color by numbers, nor does it stay inside the lines. It is funny, it is irreverent, it starts and stops, but it is never boring. It is timely and current. I could see why, by the end of the movie, why it was nominated for best picture. Christian Bale and Amy Adams have a chemistry that is unmistakable. Both have been nominated for Best Actor in the Golden Globes, but this film belonged to Bale without question. He WAS Cheney. He was superb and carried this movie on his back. My feeling is he'll be going up against Cooper and Mortensen in the Oscars. The film followed his life from a country bumpkin drunkard to the White House. Only in America. But the film had a lot going for it, a lot more than your average political biopic. It had humor, satire, some biographic detail, narration and Shakespeare (you'll see). Like I said - never boring. It covers his life from humble beginnings in the 60s to present day. It even covers 9/11 and the aftermath. Is it "liberal?" - you betcha. No, wait a minute; it does briefly cover his run for office, the behind the scenes manipulations with the Bushes, also what went on behind closed doors in the White House, and the inevitable shenanigans during, before and after Iraq. Even his relationship with Dubya. So yeah, totally "liberal" but definitely hilarious and worth every penny. It is riveting and "avant garde" by not exactly following the rules of filmmaking, adding asides and flashes of brilliant commentary within the structure of the film. In other words, it deserves the Best Picture nomination it received from the Golden Globes. My guess is that it will be so honored come Oscar time. So yeah, you Republicans will not like this movie. So I am doing my civic duty by telling you - "stay away" do not pass go, do not collect $200. Just you wait until some filmmaker genius comes along and puts together a film about Trump. My one wish is that Adam McKay decides to tackle that little task, then you'll see some kick ass political satire starring, you guessed it - Alec Baldwin. Now wouldn't that be something. SGG This Fake Film portrays him as residing in the White House?
Wednesday, January 2, 2019 7:52 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY: Sympathize with Cheney? Really!? You got that from my review. Hmph, I don't get that, but then I'm commenting based upon my take of how I think you guys may react. I need to read my review to see of I give off that impression, it was not my initial intention. After re-reading my review, like I said, I don't get it. Could you elaborate? What makes you think that the film "sympathizes" with Cheney? Let me give you this: I put "liberal" in quotes because that's how I feel you guys would react about how he's portrayed in this movie, plus that they use facts (and some "poetic" license in how they present those facts). In other words they don't just regurgitate a bunch of known facts and present a biography recounting the pure nastiness of the man and his wife. I only ask because I want to know how you came to that conclusion. SGG Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Why am I afraid that 2018 liberals could actually make me sympathize with that monster after reading your review. Do Right, Be Right. :)
Wednesday, January 2, 2019 10:31 AM
Quote:I'm certainly not a liberal, but I know that automatically qualifies me as a Republican in your eyes.
Quote:However, I have a LOOOOOOOONNNNNNNGGGGGGG history here and I had A LOT of bad things to say about both Bush and Cheney for many years before Obama got in office (when I largely disappeared from this site except for my drunken ramblings and music video posting). I've never said that I was one or the other, but I certainly leaned much further left when W. was in office. I regularly referred to the right back then as "Rethuglicans" here.
Quote:Cheney was a monster. There is no doubt about that.
Quote:But the left has gone off the reservation over the last decade.
Quote:It wouldn't surprise me if this movie about Cheney had more to do with Trump then it does either Cheney or W. That's how bad your Trump Derangement Syndrome has gotten. I'm just waiting for the reviews from sites like Vox and Mother Jones to talk about all the parallels to the current administration.
Quote:As for your particular review, it reeked of smarmy douche. Like watching 5 minutes of any of the idiots on late night TV today, or reading any of T's posts in the RWED.
Quote:Don't feel bad though.
Quote:I wasn't going to waste my time with this movie anyhow.
Quote:I already know what a sack of shit Cheney was and don't need to go pay to see a movie to remind me.
Friday, January 4, 2019 8:10 AM
Saturday, January 5, 2019 3:40 PM
Quote:You posted it the way you did at a site that has about a dozen regular members. This isn't Rotten Tomatoes.
Quote:You knew very well who your audience was when you posted it and exactly who you were talking to when you did. Everybody else who took the time to read your review, whether they replied or not, knew exactly who you were talking to as well.
Quote: You just called me a dickweed the other day in the RWED for not agreeing with you. This isn't a huge mystery. No need to call Scooby Doo. I already solved the case.
Quote:By all means. Please revel in the fact that you're being a smarmy douche like your late night "comedy" idols. They truly are excellent role models, what with jokes like our president being Putin's "cock holster".
Quote:I do hope when people look back at this point in history they realize just how terrible the left became.
Quote:That's only going to happen if sane minds come together in the Center and start reigning the people back in from the extremes.
Quote:Here's hoping.
Saturday, January 5, 2019 8:24 PM
Sunday, January 6, 2019 3:26 PM
AURAPTOR
America loves a winner!
Monday, January 7, 2019 12:59 AM
Quote:I never called you a drunk, and I certainly didn't ever poke fun at you about it. That would be HUGELY hypocritical on my part.
Quote:I don't go around calling you names randomly for disagreeing with me, as all of your "friends" here on this site do all the time...
Quote:Whether it's Nazi or Comrade, or idiot or dummy. I've called you out on it 3 or 4 times now when you've done it to me, and you usually backpedal and apologize for it.
Quote:I'm getting quite tired of having to do that though, so I haven't bothered the last several insults you've thrown my way.
Quote:you wrote this as though you were emulating one of the late night smarmy douches...
Quote:I'm actually afraid that watching this movie would make me sympathize with a monster because of how it was written and directed based off of your review.
Monday, January 7, 2019 2:36 AM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Hollywood and the facts could not be more distant strangers. I will never understand the fetish the Left has w/ Dick Cheney, but ignores the monsters of their own , from Bill & Hillary, Obama, AlGore, John Kerry... it's an endless parade of subversive pieces of crap who abuse power and fleece the hell out of their positions to financially enrich themselves.
Monday, January 7, 2019 3:36 AM
Quote:This movie totally belongs to Dick Cheney, it's all about the Vice president and the inner workings of politics in Washington....well, sort of.
Quote:For those of you who are afraid of the facts, skip this movie. No seriously.
Quote:For movie buffs, brace yourself, this is no walk in the park. It does NOT color by numbers, nor does it stay inside the lines. It is funny, it is irreverent, it starts and stops, but it is never boring.
Quote:It is timely and current. I could see why, by the end of the movie, why it was nominated for best picture.
Quote:Christian Bale and Amy Adams have a chemistry that is unmistakable. Both have been nominated for Best Actor in the Golden Globes, but this film belonged to Bale without question. He WAS Cheney. He was superb and carried this movie on his back. My feeling is he'll be going up against Cooper and Mortensen in the Oscars.
Quote:The film followed his life from a country bumpkin drunkard to the White House. Only in America. But the film had a lot going for it, a lot more than your average political biopic. It had humor, satire, some biographic detail, narration and Shakespeare (you'll see). Like I said - never boring.
Quote:Is it "liberal?" - you betcha.
Quote:No, wait a minute; it does briefly cover his run for office, the behind the scenes manipulations with the Bushes, also what went on behind closed doors in the White House, and the inevitable shenanigans during, before and after Iraq. Even his relationship with Dubya. So yeah, totally "liberal" but definitely hilarious and worth every penny. It is riveting and "avant garde" by not exactly following the rules of filmmaking, adding asides and flashes of brilliant commentary within the structure of the film. In other words, it deserves the Best Picture nomination it received from the Golden Globes. My guess is that it will be so honored come Oscar time.
Quote:So yeah, you Republicans will not like this movie. So I am doing my civic duty by telling you - "stay away" do not pass go, do not collect $200. Just you wait until some filmmaker genius comes along and puts together a film about Trump. My one wish is that Adam McKay decides to tackle that little task, then you'll see some kick ass political satire starring, you guessed it - Alec Baldwin. Now wouldn't that be something.
Monday, January 7, 2019 5:23 AM
SECOND
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
Monday, January 7, 2019 4:07 PM
Tuesday, January 8, 2019 5:23 AM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: So... was it brought up that he supported gay marriage well before Obama and Hillary ? I guess Christian Bale really did need to thank Satan, huh ?
Tuesday, January 8, 2019 10:07 AM
Tuesday, January 8, 2019 12:10 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Yeah, Rappy. There's no way that you would know who Robert Frost is. You voted for Trump, afterall. Only mindless superhero flicks for you. Do Right, Be Right. :)
Tuesday, January 8, 2019 5:07 PM
Tuesday, January 8, 2019 5:52 PM
Quote: Does knowing that he was first or the most prolific put food on your table? Just asking!
Tuesday, January 8, 2019 8:25 PM
Tuesday, January 8, 2019 10:07 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: I don't think anybody was lying about Cheney or his nature. I do wish the media and Hollywood would be honest about the demons in their own closet though. Do Right, Be Right. :)
Wednesday, January 9, 2019 3:47 AM
Wednesday, January 9, 2019 4:27 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Such a good movie, I posted twice. But the point of Variety's review is that Vice didn't explain what motivated Cheney to prefer torturing rather than following the time tested methods, both legal and very effective, used to get information from Nazi prisoners during WWII. Is it because Cheney tortured animals as child? Or did he not know any better as an adult? Unfortunately for a movie that is more biographical than satirical, the movie script does not explore Cheney's underlying motivations. The movie treats Cheney's psychology as a black box: he does stuff for superficial reasons or even no reason at all. That's why Cheney went to war in Iraq and that's why it was an expensive fiasco -- there wasn't enough strong, solid, truthful reasons for him and Bush to do what they did. Not surprisingly, Iraq didn't end well because of a lack of reason.
Wednesday, January 9, 2019 5:41 AM
Quote:First of all, I didn't get an answer as to if that's in the movie or not.
Quote:Secondly, facts do matter. We form opinions based on not just what is reported, but often what's been left out.
Quote:Lastly, when taking a full , honest assessment of his life, public and private, I don't think most Americans have been given a true representation of the former VP.
Quote:That's not how the real world works, and I'd appreciate it if Hollywood and the media would stop trying to pre-package everything in their brand of reality.
Wednesday, January 9, 2019 10:26 AM
Wednesday, January 9, 2019 11:07 AM
Quote:Whether it's Nazi or Comrade, or idiot or dummy.
Quote:I've called you out on it 3 or 4 times now when you've done it to me, and you usually backpedal and apologize for it.
Wednesday, January 9, 2019 3:52 PM
Quote:Now if you need to ask who Robert Frost is then this movie is not for you. Move on, go see Spiderman: Into the Verse
Quote:Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY: Dude, what is your fucking problem? Do you know who Robert Frost is? And no, I couldn't care less if he, you or half the fucking world voted for Putin, er, I mean Trump. sgg Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Yeah, Rappy. There's no way that you would know who Robert Frost is. You voted for Trump, afterall. Only mindless superhero flicks for you. Do Right, Be Right. :)
Wednesday, January 9, 2019 4:43 PM
Quote: " yeah, it's in the movie "
Thursday, January 10, 2019 3:29 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Dude, this is what you said that I replied to: Quote:Now if you need to ask who Robert Frost is then this movie is not for you. Move on, go see Spiderman: Into the Verse What a cunty, elitist thing to say. And nobody here voted for Putin. Only assholes think that or say it. Quote:Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY: Dude, what is your fucking problem? Do you know who Robert Frost is? And no, I couldn't care less if he, you or half the fucking world voted for Putin, er, I mean Trump. sgg Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Yeah, Rappy. There's no way that you would know who Robert Frost is. You voted for Trump, afterall. Only mindless superhero flicks for you. Do Right, Be Right. :) Do Right, Be Right. :)
Thursday, January 10, 2019 3:39 AM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Quote: " yeah, it's in the movie " As in , briefly mentioned , or does it get discussed to the level that anyone who watched this movie will know undeniably that Cheney was for gay marriage almost a decade before Obama or Hillary? As far as I know, VICE is the 1st and only movie about ANY VP. And why would you imagine that's the case, hmm ? Honestly, I don't know him. Nor am I much a fan of his, which isn't meant in a bad way. I just don't think much of him in any way. What I do know of him, I like. The claims that he supports " torture " , imo, are vastly overstated and politically motivated. I think the gloves should come off when dealing w/ radical religious zealots , like psychopathic Muslim jihadists. And I'm afraid that his virtue signaling not being to the level of your liking regarding gay marriage is soooo significant. That's what I dislike most about " activists ", is that if you don't kowtow to their demands, and show sufficient levels of public #Outrage or promote their agenda, you're some how Satan. And yeah, he rightfully did support his other daughter for public office. So damn what ? * Apples and orange, indeed.
Thursday, January 10, 2019 3:57 AM
Quote:Hollywood and the facts could not be more distant strangers.
Quote:I will never understand the fetish the Left has w/ Dick Cheney, but ignores the monsters of their own
Quote:from Bill & Hillary, Obama, AlGore, John Kerry... it's an endless parade of subversive pieces of crap who abuse power and fleece the hell out of their positions to financially enrich themselves.
Thursday, January 10, 2019 4:00 AM
Quote:I think the gloves should come off when dealing w/ radical religious zealots , like psychopathic Muslim jihadists.
Thursday, January 10, 2019 7:06 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY: Struck a nerve.....my work here is done. SGG Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Dude, this is what you said that I replied to: Quote:Now if you need to ask who Robert Frost is then this movie is not for you. Move on, go see Spiderman: Into the Verse What a cunty, elitist thing to say. And nobody here voted for Putin. Only assholes think that or say it. Quote:Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY: Dude, what is your fucking problem? Do you know who Robert Frost is? And no, I couldn't care less if he, you or half the fucking world voted for Putin, er, I mean Trump. sgg Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Yeah, Rappy. There's no way that you would know who Robert Frost is. You voted for Trump, afterall. Only mindless superhero flicks for you. Do Right, Be Right. :) Do Right, Be Right. :)
Thursday, January 10, 2019 7:11 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY: Oh, by the way, he had a little show called the fucking Apprentice, made in fucking Hollywood! How's that for irony!?
Thursday, January 10, 2019 10:08 AM
Quote:Originally posted: Most of my comments were aimed at Trump and those he calls "very fine people."
Thursday, January 10, 2019 10:55 AM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Quote: " yeah, it's in the movie " As in , briefly mentioned , or does it get discussed to the level that anyone who watched this movie will know undeniably that Cheney was for gay marriage almost a decade before Obama or Hillary? As far as I know, VICE is the 1st and only movie about ANY VP. And why would you imagine that's the case, hmm ?
Friday, January 11, 2019 4:38 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Quote:Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY: Oh, by the way, he had a little show called the fucking Apprentice, made in fucking Hollywood! How's that for irony!? Nah. It was made in New York. Created by Mark Burnett who is British. Whoops. Do Right, Be Right. :)
Friday, January 11, 2019 4:40 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Thank you for proving me right. Quote:Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY: Struck a nerve.....my work here is done. SGG Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Dude, this is what you said that I replied to: Quote:Now if you need to ask who Robert Frost is then this movie is not for you. Move on, go see Spiderman: Into the Verse What a cunty, elitist thing to say. And nobody here voted for Putin. Only assholes think that or say it. Quote:Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY: Dude, what is your fucking problem? Do you know who Robert Frost is? And no, I couldn't care less if he, you or half the fucking world voted for Putin, er, I mean Trump. sgg Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Yeah, Rappy. There's no way that you would know who Robert Frost is. You voted for Trump, afterall. Only mindless superhero flicks for you. Do Right, Be Right. :) Do Right, Be Right. :) Do Right, Be Right. :)
Friday, January 11, 2019 5:24 AM
Quote:I do wish the media and Hollywood would be honest about the demons in their own closet though.
Friday, January 11, 2019 6:15 AM
Quote:As in , briefly mentioned , or does it get discussed to the level that anyone who watched this movie will know undeniably that Cheney was for gay marriage almost a decade before Obama or Hillary?
Quote:Barack Obama misled Americans for his own political benefit when he claimed in the 2008 election to oppose same sex marriage for religious reasons, his former political strategist David Axelrod writes in a new book, Believer: My Forty Years in Politics. “I’m just not very good at bullshitting,” Obama told Axelrod, after an event where he stated his opposition to same-sex marriage, according to the book. Axelrod writes that he knew Obama was in favor of same-sex marriages during the first presidential campaign, even as Obama publicly said he only supported civil unions, not full marriages. Axelrod also admits to counseling Obama to conceal that position for political reasons. “Opposition to gay marriage was particularly strong in the black church, and as he ran for higher office, he grudgingly accepted the counsel of more pragmatic folks like me, and modified his position to support civil unions rather than marriage, which he would term a ‘sacred union,’ ” Axelrod writes.
Quote:And I'm afraid that his virtue signaling not being to the level of your liking regarding gay marriage is soooo significant.
Friday, January 11, 2019 6:27 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY: Ha! Schwing! Flew way over your head there, could you get me an ice cream from the concession stand? Filmed in New York, but the production company is run out of Hollywood by MGM television studios (more specifically Beverly Hills, California). And I know Mark Burnett is British..... He shoots, he scores! Swish! Nothing but net! SGG Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Quote:Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY: Oh, by the way, he had a little show called the fucking Apprentice, made in fucking Hollywood! How's that for irony!? Nah. It was made in New York. Created by Mark Burnett who is British. Whoops. Do Right, Be Right. :)
Friday, January 11, 2019 6:30 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY: Quote:I do wish the media and Hollywood would be honest about the demons in their own closet though. The Player, 1992 The Bad and The Beautiful, 1952 The Big Picture, 1989 Scarlet Diva, 2000 An Open Secret, 2014 Map to the Stars, 2014 Sunset Boulevard, 1950 The Neon Demon, 2016 S.O.B., 1981 State and Main, 2000 Living in Oblivion, 1995 Swimming with Sharks, 1995 I recommend The Player, State and Main. Source: Highsnobiety.com and Google SGG
Friday, January 11, 2019 6:31 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY: Awwwww, does that mean you won't write anymore?
Monday, January 14, 2019 2:46 AM
Quote:The term "Hollywood" usually refers to two distinctly different things: 1) The culture and lifestyle of being a celebrity (not a physical place); and 2) a neighborhood in Los Angeles where almost no celebrities live, and which is mostly an area set up for tourism around movie making.
Quote:If you’ve ever been to Hollywood, the place, you quickly realized that it isn’t what you thought it was going to be. When you went to the Walk of Fame or Grauman’s Chinese Theatre, you probably didn’t see Brad or Angelina or the Kardashians. You probably didn’t see a movie being filmed or a deal being signed. You saw the tourist attraction. Hollywood, the real Hollywood, is a metonymy for the entertainment industry in Southern California. Hollywood is really located wherever there’s a camera rolling, a script being written, or an audition being held.
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Nope. Production companies responsible for the show are Trump Productions and Mark Burnett Productions. Neither of which are based out of Hollywood. It was Distributed by MGM Worldwide Television, which is based out of Beverley Hills, CA. In other words, it's kind of like saying that Hollywood was responsible for the original Paranormal Activity movie. Quote:Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY: Ha! Schwing! Flew way over your head there, could you get me an ice cream from the concession stand? Filmed in New York, but the production company is run out of Hollywood by MGM television studios (more specifically Beverly Hills, California). And I know Mark Burnett is British..... He shoots, he scores! Swish! Nothing but net! SGG Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Quote:Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY: Oh, by the way, he had a little show called the fucking Apprentice, made in fucking Hollywood! How's that for irony!? Nah. It was made in New York. Created by Mark Burnett who is British. Whoops. Do Right, Be Right. :) Do Right, Be Right. :)
Monday, January 14, 2019 4:49 AM
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