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Anyone gotten to the end of season 3 of The Expanse?

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Saturday, July 28, 2018 3:15 PM

WISHIMAY

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I just did today. If you haven't seen it yet you may wanna skip this discussion.

I see Amazon has ordered a season 4 so YAAAY.











What do you think about Bobbie on the Rocinante? Did she retire, or is she taking leave? She wasn't in uniform. I don't think that last incident would be on her since the other woman acted without orders, although she was in lead and therefore responsible for their safety.

I think her and Alex make a good couple. Although I like almost all the characters I WAS happy Diogo got the shaft. Annoying little twerp got even more annoying with the face tattoos

Thoughts? Anyone but 6ix, that is.


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Saturday, July 28, 2018 8:51 PM

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Wow. You burned through 3 seasons of that show pretty fast.

Was season 3 any good?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Saturday, July 28, 2018 10:14 PM

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Hubby has been on vacay since last Friday. Yeah, I would say that there really aren't any quality issues from making the jump from Syfy to Amazon, other than the third season had less jokes. I'm really interested in where they will go with season 4 as they have 1300 new avenues to go with. It's worth the dough.

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Sunday, July 29, 2018 6:26 AM

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Originally posted by Wishimay:

What do you think about Bobbie on the Rocinante? Did she retire, or is she taking leave? She wasn't in uniform.

I peeked into the Future. Bobbie is retired, working in Veterans Outreach, and back on Mars in the fourth book. The TV show in the fourth year might also have her back on Mars, at least temporarily.

From The Expanse #4 - Cibola Burn - Prologue: Bobbie Draper

A thousand worlds, Bobbie thought as the tube doors closed. And not just a thousand worlds. A thousand systems. Suns. Gas giants. Asteroid belts. Everything that humanity had spread to, a thousand times over. The screen above the seats across from her showed a newsfeed, but the speakers were broken, the man’s voice too fuzzed to make out the words. The graphic that zoomed in and out beside him was enough for her to follow. New data had come in from the probes that had gone through the gates. Here was another image of an unfamiliar sun, circles to mark the orbits of new planets. All of them empty. Whatever had built the protomolecule and fired it toward Earth back in the depths of time wasn’t answering calls anymore. The bridge builder had opened the way, and no great gods had come streaming through.

It was astounding, Bobbie thought, how quickly humanity could go from What unimaginable intelligence fashioned these soul-wrenching wonders? to Well, since they’re not here, can I have their stuff?

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Sunday, July 29, 2018 9:44 AM

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I actually got into the show because of a discussion with Second sometime in spring of 2017. I was watching it in small bits and pieces during the summer since it was really busy with the move last year. I can't remember where I left off, but I do think that I finished the 2nd season.

Overall, it was a pretty good show I thought. It might actually even be better than I give it credit for though since I didn't have the time to really indulge and binge watch like I prefer to when watching a show like that.


I wasn't even aware that Amazon had picked it up. That's really cool that some of these shows are getting a second life because of places like Netflix and Amazon. Maybe there's still some hope that they could get the Dark Matter crew back together before they're too tied up with other obs.

Glad to hear the quality didn't really suffer after the move.











Sorry to go off topic, but since we're on the topic of shows being raised from the dead... did anybody watch Deadwood's original run?

That show was amazing, IMO. It wasn't necessarily ended on a bad note, but just rather anti-climactic. They said they intended the last few episodes to lead up to a movie, but it never happened. That being the case, I always thought it was a shame they didn't just end the show a few episodes earlier after a huge dramatic conflict and just let the viewers decide in their own minds where it went from there.

Long story short, and I'll believe it when I see it, but I just got word from my brother that after all of these years they've finally greenlit the Deadwood movie that was promised a decade ago.

For the first time in ages I'm actually excited about a movie that's coming.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Sunday, July 29, 2018 9:35 PM

WISHIMAY

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I peeked into the Future. Bobbie is retired, working in Veterans Outreach, and back on Mars in the fourth book. The TV show in the fourth year might also have her back on Mars, at least temporarily.




*sigh* So much for encouraging a little conversation with Second around


I would sell every last thing I owned, including the shirt off my back to be able to go to another planet where one could wander unimpeded for the rest of my days. Naked, since I sold the shirt

On that note, a close relative just did one of those DNA tests and we came up 15% Romanian/Bulg/Yugo/Hungarian. Maybe I am part Gypsy and that would finally explain why I want to pack up and leave every six months. Or more...

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Monday, July 30, 2018 12:18 AM

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^bump

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Monday, July 30, 2018 1:25 AM

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lol. You ever wonder why these trollbots don't peddle their crap in the RWED?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, July 30, 2018 8:52 AM

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Originally posted by Wishimay:

*sigh* So much for encouraging a little conversation with Second around


I would sell every last thing I owned, including the shirt off my back to be able to go to another planet where one could wander unimpeded for the rest of my days. Naked, since I sold the shirt

On that note, a close relative just did one of those DNA tests and we came up 15% Romanian/Bulg/Yugo/Hungarian. Maybe I am part Gypsy and that would finally explain why I want to pack up and leave every six months. Or more...

Your idea of a conversation, like too many people, is to tell us all about yourself. 15% Romanian/Bulg/Yugo/Hungarian? The Universe does not care about trivial and personal. Miller told Holden that in the TV show, but that is a much shorter version than in the book of Miller’s final conversation with Holden:

“And there are worlds like this on the other side of all those gates?”

“Some of them, maybe. Who knows?” Miller turned to face Holden again, his blue eyes eerie and full of secrets. “Someone fought a war here, kid. One that spanned this galaxy and maybe more. My team lost, and they’re all gone now. A couple billion years gone. Who knows what’s waiting on the other side of those doors?”

“We’ll find out, I guess,” Holden replied, putting on a bold front but frightened in spite of himself.

“Yeah, well let’s not get too happy,” Miller said. “I keep warning you. Doors and corners, kid. That’s where they get you. Humans are too fucking stupid to listen. Well, you’ll learn your lessons soon enough, and it’s not my job to nursemaid the species through the next steps.”

“So,” Holden said after a few minutes of quiet sky watching. “Thanks for the visit. I guess I’d better be getting back to my gunfight.”

“Not done with you,” Miller said. The tone was light, but the words were ominous.

“Okay.”

“I wasn’t built to fix shit humanity broke,” Miller said. “I didn’t come here to open gates for you and get the lockdown to let you go. That’s incidental. The thing that made me just builds roads. And now it’s using me to find out what happened to the galaxy-spanning civilization that wanted the road.”

“Why does that matter now, if they’re all gone?”

“It doesn’t,” Miller said with a weary shrug. “Not a bit. If you set the nav computer on the Roci to take you somewhere, and then fall over dead a second later, can the Roci decide it doesn’t matter anymore and just not go?”

“No,” Holden said, understanding and finding a sadness for this Miller construct he wouldn’t have guessed was possible.

“We were supposed to connect with the network. We’re just trying to do that, doesn’t matter that the network’s gone. What came up off of Venus is dumb, kid. Just knows how to do one thing. It doesn’t know how to investigate. But I do. And it had me. So I’m going to investigate even though none of the answers will mean fuck-all to the universe at large.”

“I understand,” Holden said. “Good luck, Miller, I—”

“I said I’m not done with you.”

Holden took a step back, suddenly very frightened about where this might be going. “What does that mean?”

“It means, kid, that I’ll need a ride.”

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, July 30, 2018 1:07 PM

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Glad to see that Second is just as good as playing with others as he is with me.



Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, July 30, 2018 3:12 PM

WISHIMAY

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Your idea of a conversation, like too many people, is to tell us all about yourself.




So, tell me about yourself Sec.
What do YOU like about Expanse?

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Monday, November 18, 2019 3:31 AM

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Season 4 coming out in a couple weeks, squee! I need something to watch...

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Wednesday, December 4, 2019 12:40 PM

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December 13th

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Saturday, December 14, 2019 1:03 PM

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Done. It was a decent season, but from what I've seen on comment sections a lot of people said Cibola Burn was a slow, hard, mostly transitional book...and I would agree. There were two episodes that were pretty sluggish, but still mildly interesting. I did hit the fast forward a couple times though.

They look to be setting up for the interesting bits for a season 5.

1. Hated Naomi's hair.

2. Glad they didn't kill off Amos, he reminds me of Hubby

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Monday, December 16, 2019 10:31 AM

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Apparently, the next books are set 30 years in the future. Wonder if they will keep to that. Maybe in the future with all the tech they age slower. Just throw in some grey hairs and call it a day??

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Monday, December 23, 2019 9:56 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by WISHIMAY:
Done. It was a decent season, but from what I've seen on comment sections a lot of people said Cibola Burn was a slow, hard, mostly transitional book...and I would agree. There were two episodes that were pretty sluggish, but still mildly interesting. I did hit the fast forward a couple times though.

They look to be setting up for the interesting bits for a season 5.

1. Hated Naomi's hair.

2. Glad they didn't kill off Amos, he reminds me of Hubby



One ep left in Season 4 - been binge watching from mid season 2 over the last week. It is a great piece of work imho, the production design and execution alone are worth every minute. I read the books first, long ago, but have not read past Babylon's Ashes. SyFy scum made it hard to keep current with the eps if you missed any and I missed a few (didn't have it on series - my fault) - and others were re-aired out of sequence. Where have I heard that before? Oh yeah...
Thank gawd for Amazon. Season 4 has been a seamless match to the others. Disappointed in where they took Bobbie's character but will always enjoy her beating the crap out of men (or women) who deserve it.
The sets on New Terra were perfect. While I read Cibola I wondered how they would handle so many elements of the story visually - they were all A+ imo. The proto molecule creator sets were amazing. Remember, we're dealing with budgets that have killed other scifi shows. Where have I heard that before? Oh yeah...
There's so much new science in these that I love just picking those out and enjoying. The computer graphics, 3-D modeling, Daddy wants now. Accurate long distance space travel - mwaa!
Amos - I did not like the show's Amos at first after reading the books and getting use to that one, but now he's my favorite. Wes Chatham has a great talent for the dry, dark, deadpan comment, lol all the time.
"Who desecrated the Martian flag!"
"I did."
"Did you think it was funny?!?"
"Well, not right now."

Naomi - yeah - her hair! F*cksake, they have made her too normal.
I can't wait for season 5. I think I will read the remaining books first though - can't not. Looks like there will be 9 of them. I have 2 more to go to catch up to the last one:

7. Persepolis Rising - December 5, 2017
8. Tiamat's Wrath - March 26, 2019
9. Unnamed final novel - TBA 2020

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Saturday, December 28, 2019 12:18 PM

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Amos - I did not like the show's Amos at first after reading the books and getting use to that one, but now he's my favorite. Wes Chatham has a great talent for the dry, dark, deadpan comment, lol all the time.



He was in the last season of The Unit -which if you haven't seen- was a damn fine show too. We actually bought all the seasons but the last one. They were supposed to finish it up with a movie and never did. It had a killer intro song.

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Sunday, December 29, 2019 6:28 PM

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So with season 4 having dropped on Amazon Prime, I took it upon myself to go back to the start and binge the hell out of this series.

I started watching it, as it was out a few years ago, but got distracted and never picked it up again.

I like it more than I love it. And I do really like it. But save for a few spots here and there, it's been mostly solid viewing, while lacking a really WOW factor.

I keep waiting for Amos to explain how he's so street wise yet there's little to no history of him - officially. He's kinda like Shepard Book. Lots more to his back story than being a mob boss, a petty king on a petty hill with delusions of grandeur. Lived ( worked ?) in a brothel in his youth - guess like those Boy-whores in Heart of Gold. He acts more like a Madam, with inside knowledge of the business... Was he sly? He tends to favor the women folk, at least so far.


But to the point, there's a few ( very ) things which I've yet to understand.

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Where'd the designer of the Epstein drive end up? Did I miss it? Because last I saw, he was testing it and blasted himself away, never to be heard from again.

How are the belters so beleaguered and put upon? There's far more than enough mining material in the asteroid belts for all to be wealthy. This permenant worker class stuff just doesn't sit well w/ me.

Also, alien tech opens up a gigantic Star Gate of sorts, and instead of going where it's KNOWN folks can find work, they high tail it into the unknown? If that ring closes up, then where are they? Stuck on the other side of the galaxy, or maybe entire different galaxies. This makes no sense. Our solar system can't be SOOO full and crowded as to drive folks into the great abyss , just for a chance at fiding work. No way.

A door opens up like that, by parties unknown, it's taking DECADES of probes and studying before anyone is allowed to go set up camp.




Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

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Wednesday, January 1, 2020 9:38 AM

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Quote:

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So with season 4 having dropped on Amazon Prime, I took it upon myself to go back to the start and binge the hell out of this series.

I started watching it, as it was out a few years ago, but got distracted and never picked it up again.

I like it more than I love it. And I do really like it. But save for a few spots here and there, it's been mostly solid viewing, while lacking a really WOW factor.



I recently did the same - I'd agree, no particular WOW factor, more of a bunch of things that add up to really liking it, glad we have more. Also: did you ever watch Andromeda? That was tv scifi for a while, so just in terms of how far we've come in sophisticated sets and visuals and tech you can believe it's impressive as hell. Remember how the cost of FF's sets gave Fox a reason to not renew? Maybe it was an excuse, but glad for whatever reason the production is top shelf on this one. I am enjoying it a great deal for the escapism factor.

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I keep waiting for Amos to explain how he's so street wise yet there's little to no history of him - officially. He's kinda like Shepard Book. Lots more to his back story than being a mob boss, a petty king on a petty hill with delusions of grandeur. Lived ( worked ?) in a brothel in his youth - guess like those Boy-whores in Heart of Gold. He acts more like a Madam, with inside knowledge of the business... Was he sly? He tends to favor the women folk, at least so far.



That should be the next season, and o-boy, the effects department will be greatly tested as well. I am looking forward again to how they solve some really big questions from the story in the books.

ETA: there are a few novellas for the series, and one of them centers on Amos’ background, appropriately titled The Churn. At Amazon and probably “free” online somewhere as well.

As for your spoilers:

1. dunno

2. Gotta have miners and gotta have class warfare plot lines.

3. See great land rush of 1889 - who wants to be an employee when you can be a Bossman, sassa? Also: reckless adventure is a human trait.

4. Stuck

5. Allowed? How would you police that much space? Season 4 has an Oklahoma scenario that addresses that.

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Monday, January 13, 2020 6:29 PM

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5. Allowed? How would you police that much space? Season 4 has an Oklahoma scenario that addresses that space?


So the same alien 'intelligence ' which ghosted 100,000 men, women and children on Eros before it impacted onto Venus opens a stargate of sorts to a bunch of new system

Didn't seem like much time had passed, to do a thorough investigation into things like will the gate stay open, where do all the portals lead, and are humans just flying into a galactic buffet table, while being the main course?

Mining chances or not, I'd like to know. At least early settlers had some idea about Indians, and the help of the US Calvary to come to their aid, maybe, if things got too dicey. Oh well.

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Tuesday, January 14, 2020 10:01 AM

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5. Allowed? How would you police that much space? Season 4 has an Oklahoma scenario that addresses that space?


So the same alien 'intelligence ' which ghosted 100,000 men, women and children on Eros before it impacted onto Venus opens a stargate of sorts to a bunch of new system



It only ghosted them because a greedy megalomaniac Jules-Pierrer Moa, and an off the reservation scientist Dresden, decided to see what it would do if inflicted on humans in a controlled, monitored environment all in an effort to discover the military possibilities. In other words: cha-ching. I would argue you could have done that on a smaller scale, but they didn't ask me. The protomolecule is neither ethical or unethical, but the early aliens might have been Crusaders just like humans.

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Didn't seem like much time had passed, to do a thorough investigation into things like will the gate stay open, where do all the portals lead, and are humans just flying into a galactic buffet table, while being the main course?

Mining chances or not, I'd like to know. At least early settlers had some idea about Indians, and the help of the US Calvary to come to their aid, maybe, if things got too dicey. Oh well.



So you would not be the first through one of these - me neither. But some desperate types, like Belters, might not even think it through beyond, "o yeah, free stuff, we out." I'm not sure how much Columbus's crew really understood in terms of what was ahead of them or exactly what life on the Mayflower was actually going to entail for all that time on the boat.

There is definitely plenty of fiction in this science fiction. Just wait for the next season - ho-boy!

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Tuesday, January 14, 2020 5:05 PM

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So you would not be the first through one of these - me neither. But some desperate types, like Belters, might not even think it through beyond, "o yeah, free stuff, we out." I'm not sure how much Columbus's crew really understood in terms of what was ahead of them or exactly what life on the Mayflower was actually going to entail for all that time on the boat.

There is definitely plenty of fiction in this science fiction. Just wait for the next season - ho-boy!



Doesn't matter who did what, the point is, they didn't know what was behind the portal in the first place. And do the belters have any clue what the environments on these places are like ? Gravity? Belters, via their low gravity environment, can't even stand 1 G w/ out great assistance. What of planets w/ greater gravity?

It's a small thing to fuss over, I admit. The series overall is awesome, and I am greatly looking forward to next season. I just hope they don't drop all 8 eps ( or how ever many ) all at once. Keep the interest going and do it weekly, is my main input.

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