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I think I have delta

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Sunday, September 5, 2021 6:03 PM

DREAMTROVE


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Originally posted by 1KIKI:

I'm not sure if DT's 'rotting flesh smell' smells like slowly decaying dead bodies, but that's what I think of when DT says 'rotting flesh'. And it's a smell I'm very familiar with, since in one of my jobs the time-clocks at the employees entrance were catty corner to the coroner's suite, and all the employees got to smell that smell.

FWIW, it's very different from old-people's smell, which I've also smelled.


yeah okay i'm characterizing it as that but it's not something i'm familiar with on that level

It's much stronger and less attractive that nursing home smell but it's close enough to that, multiplied 100x with a hint of roadkill



Sig, I've been getting worse since the coughing moron came in and coughed on all of us. killed seven of us in one blow. I swear now I have two different covids. I was basically over it and now I'm declining again

If I have zombie, it's also aids, so it'll kill me because i have two covids. I think this is actaully a pretty likely logical scenario. without syncytin it doesn't look like you can launch a massive immune assault and you just die from teh virus

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Sunday, September 5, 2021 6:22 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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You'll be fine dude. Sleep it off.



For the last two days, everything has smelled like rotten zombie, everything has tasted like rotten zombie, and I have been the epicenter of the worst zombie stench I've ever been exposed to. Sleeping it off had no effect, it only got stronger




In the last 5 years, I had the flu 3 of them (the ones where I was forced to work with employees who don't get sick time and brought it into work with them).

Not only is it miserable, but I'm completely incapacitated for 3 days, and it can take up to 3 weeks for me to feel 100% again.

I didn't say you'll feel better overnight. Just stop stressing out and telling yourself that you're dying of a zombie disease, get some fucking sleep (like a LOT of it), drink a lot of fluids, and binge watch something non-end-of-the-world-related if you find laying in bed for a few days straight unbearable otherwise.

You're not going to find any cure for anything you've got on your own. Your body is the best tool you've got at your disposal. Don't abuse it.

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Sunday, September 5, 2021 11:43 PM

DREAMTROVE


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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

You're not going to find any cure for anything you've got on your own. Your body is the best tool you've got at your disposal. Don't abuse it.



in general, yeah, i'd agree. and I hear you, but it's a bioweapon. You have to be smart. You can't just sleep it off. That's how people explode.

So now I've been having problems, but I am just realizing that the others are having a worse time than me, outside of the possible zombie.

Both patient zero G and employee M now have resting heart rates around 100 when lying down and much higher when not very active, just sitting in a chair or standing up. M has had two heart attacks since the incident and is 23.

The situation is bad and will get worse, as people get regular booster shots. I'm an extremely health conscious person who takes good care of myself, eats good food and supplements and is very conscious about anything wrong with me.

A lot of people are overconfident, as I was when I was younger, and I can see someone saying "no, i'm find, I'll go play basketball, I'll munch down on a pizza, and then I'll down a five hour energy, because I have work tomorrow at 8" and that's the last anyone hears of them.

But that's probably, in a non-bioweapon world, normal American behavior. On any other day, I'd be the brad super conscious health freak and they'd be normal. But now we have an overall worrying situation.

I have an underlying heart condition that's not minor, I have AFIB. A close friend of mine who also has AFIB just had his heart valve removed and replaced with a pig valve. I'll skip a comment on that, but not doing that. And now I have a couple guys 30 years younger than me and they're in not just a little bit worse shape, they're in a lot worse shape than me.

This is not normal, and it's not good.

okay, maybe it's the new normal.

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Monday, September 6, 2021 12:35 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


My question to you right now is how come you and your little circle of friends are having all of these extremely adverse reactions to vaccinations and/or being in close proximity of those who were vaccinated and literally nobody else in the world that I've ever heard of are?

I know a lot of people who were vaccinated that don't have any stories, period. Maybe a day or two that they didn't feel good afterward, but that was months and months ago that most of the people I know got them. I also know people who got Moderna, Pfizer and J&J shots. (which to me is pretty funny now, since only the Pfizer one has gotten approval since apparently they won the bidding war).

I don't trust the vaccine or those who make it myself, but everything you're saying is happening in your world right now doesn't at all jibe with anything going on in my world.

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Monday, September 6, 2021 3:02 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



DT, I hope you take the immediate self-care advice of the people here who are saying the same things: sleep, rest, eat nutritious foods, and take your vitals, especially Osats.

Whether you call it the zombie apocalypse or zeke or COVID-19, since you are now coughing, it's now in your lungs. That means that even if you don't feel short of air, you could have pneumonia, or rapidly develop it, and become severely hypoxic. That could be a potentially fatal turn. Know when it's gotten beyond home care: Osats less than 93, HR at rest lying down above 100, temp over 101, or a feeling like you're about to give out physically.



Your friends as well also have 'it' by any name. Maybe you should call each other and check in with each other, with the idea that you WILL CALL the police to do wellness checks if one of you doesn't check in.

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Monday, September 6, 2021 11:07 AM

SIGNYM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
My question to you right now is how come you and your little circle of friends are having all of these extremely adverse reactions to vaccinations and/or being in close proximity of those who were vaccinated and literally nobody else in the world that I've ever heard of are?

I know a lot of people who were vaccinated that don't have any stories, period. Maybe a day or two that they didn't feel good afterward, but that was months and months ago that most of the people I know got them. I also know people who got Moderna, Pfizer and J&J shots. (which to me is pretty funny now, since only the Pfizer one has gotten approval since apparently they won the bidding war).

I don't trust the vaccine or those who make it myself, but everything you're saying is happening in your world right now doesn't at all jibe with anything going on in my world.

The most likely reason why DT's circle is having problems is because they caught SARS-CoV2 and developed covid-19.

I know DT wants very hard to blame the vaccine, and keeps posting that he "caught" the vaccine, but the sad truth is that even vaccinated peple can catch and spread the virus bc it's only 40% effective at preventing transmission.

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Monday, September 6, 2021 12:57 PM

DREAMTROVE


Duh, but how did we get it. The only people we were in contact with were vaxed. And there seem to be two different instances of getting sick from a vaxed person.

The problems with this vax are legion, for starters, it's not a vax.
If you haven't heard the horror stories, you just don't know very many people

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Monday, September 6, 2021 1:03 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



If you and your friends/ coworkers/ employees are as symptomatic as you say, then I think you have a more immediately critical problem than wrangling over the vax ... making sure you stay this side of a medical crisis.

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Monday, September 6, 2021 1:06 PM

SIGNYM

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Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
Duh, but how did we get it. The only people we were in contact with were vaxed. And there seem to be two different instances of getting sick from a vaxed person.

The problems with this vax are legion, for starters, it's not a vax.
If you haven't heard the horror stories, you just don't know very many people



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...the sad truth is that even vaccinated peple can catch and spread the virus bc it's only 40% effective at preventing transmission.


You know this. Why are you looking for an impossible mechanismwhen the answer is staring you in the face? You probably have Covid-19. Deal with it that way and you'll be a lot farther ahead, medically.

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Monday, September 6, 2021 3:30 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
Duh, but how did we get it. The only people we were in contact with were vaxed. And there seem to be two different instances of getting sick from a vaxed person.

The problems with this vax are legion, for starters, it's not a vax.
If you haven't heard the horror stories, you just don't know very many people



I can list two dozen people in my life right now who got one of the three vaccinations. Aside from a day or two of feeling like shit afterward, there's been nothing. Either they're lying to me, or nothing VISIBLE has happened yet.

And I've been around enough of them to know that they don't smell like zombies and I haven't gotten sick being in close quarters with them without masking up.



I think that chances are 50/50 that the vaccine is going to be bad news for at least a good chunk of people who got it, but we're not going to know that for a year or two at least. If there were ANY nefarious plans behind it, they'd need time to get as many people vaccinated as possible before people started "turning into zombies" or whatever the hell will happen with it.

It makes ZERO sense that they'd put out something that would give such adverse reactions almost immediately if they knew going into this it was going to be a long struggle getting at least 40% of the people on board.


I have ZERO trust in the news. NONE.

That being said, if people all over the country were going through what you say you and your circle are going through after being vaccinated, there is no way that everybody wouldn't be hearing about it now. They couldn't contain it because EVERYBODY would know at least one person who was going through this.

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Wednesday, September 8, 2021 10:26 AM

DREAMTROVE


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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

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...the sad truth is that even vaccinated peple can catch and spread the virus bc it's only 40% effective at preventing transmission.


You know this. Why are you looking for an impossible mechanismwhen the answer is staring you in the face? You probably have Covid-19. Deal with it that way and you'll be a lot farther ahead, medically.

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Never said I didn't, I've been saying I have it all along. What I can't understand is why there zero cases (okay 1 case in 18 months) until people started getting vaccinated, and now it's all over the place. and the first people to get it were the vaccinated. And they started blaming everyone else for not vaxing and saying that all the non-vaxed were asymptomatic carriers and they were getting the vaxed sick which makes no sense, but I heard it a dozen times.

It was clearly coming from the vaccinated. Some people, maybe it was the special trailer vax, idk, or they picked it up at the vaccination center from casual contact, because they had to go to a city to get it. but some people were sick and getting other people sick, and those people all got sick the day after getting vaxed. Everyone noticed this pattern, not just me. So, yes, obviously i have covid, obviously i got it from this guy who came over because we all got it that day, and he'd just been re-vaxed so it was in the second shot or in the center, whatever. anyway.




I wanted to ask you what the thing you posted about zombie snot was, because I'm pretty sure at this point, it's my snot that smells and tastes like zombie, rather than that I have a distorted sense of smell or a BO of zombie. I was using a snot rag because i was coughing up a lot of goop from the covid finally invading my lungs, and now whenever I go near the rag I smell the zombie very strongly, it's coming from the rag, so it's coming from my coughed up flem and snot.

I don't know if this relates to the 2-nonenal but it smells really the same to me as the vax zombies.

On vax zombies, here's what I've noticed: How physically fit someone is before getting the vax seems to have something to do with it. If they're in good shape, they seem less likely to zeke out, but if they do zeke out, they have a stronger odor. I think this is probably more syncytin more hormones stronger immune system. But most of the zombies, who seem to be maybe 10-20% of the vaxed, are out of shape.

The zombie characteristics I see a lot of now are, first and foremost the yellow-orange skin with no highlights of red probably meaning very limited blood flow. This is more common than the odor. Then the zombie rot with old smell. Then the shakes I see in maybe 1/4-1/3 of them, a parkinson's style shake and a shuffle in the walk, and three now i've seen with a peculiar joint locked into an odd position, arm jutting out at the elbow, head at a tilt. Maybe these aren't actually locked since I didn't talk to the people, but they look unintentionally locked, so it might be the joint pain is so bad they don't move it out of that position. No blood flow coloration could be liver damage.

trying to figure this out because i'm worried about permanent zombie effects if I survive and also about surviving


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Wednesday, September 8, 2021 10:31 AM

DREAMTROVE


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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

It makes ZERO sense that they'd put out something that would give such adverse reactions almost immediately if they knew going into this it was going to be a long struggle getting at least 40% of the people on board.

I have ZERO trust in the news. NONE.

That being said, if people all over the country were going through what you say you and your circle are going through after being vaccinated, there is no way that everybody wouldn't be hearing about it now. They couldn't contain it because EVERYBODY would know at least one person who was going through this.

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All the unvaccinated people I know online and not on this board have commented on the same things independently to me, so it's happening everywhere. 10-20% have no color, they have zombie odor, they have weird folding skin or they shuffle, and some have all of this, they're zombies. they're no syncytin zombies.

the point of the thing is to prevent kids from happening, sterilize everyone, so they have many attack vectors. Fit people don't seem as affected, and old people were already most of the way there, I know it's affecting them because i've met two old zombies, but maybe you're just Simon Pegg and you haven't noticed yet

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Wednesday, September 8, 2021 10:44 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

It makes ZERO sense that they'd put out something that would give such adverse reactions almost immediately if they knew going into this it was going to be a long struggle getting at least 40% of the people on board.

I have ZERO trust in the news. NONE.

That being said, if people all over the country were going through what you say you and your circle are going through after being vaccinated, there is no way that everybody wouldn't be hearing about it now. They couldn't contain it because EVERYBODY would know at least one person who was going through this.

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All the unvaccinated people I know online and not on this board have commented on the same things independently to me, so it's happening everywhere. 10-20% have no color, they have zombie odor, they have weird folding skin or they shuffle, and some have all of this, they're zombies. they're no syncytin zombies.

the point of the thing is to prevent kids from happening, sterilize everyone, so they have many attack vectors. Fit people don't seem as affected, and old people were already most of the way there, I know it's affecting them because i've met two old zombies, but maybe you're just Simon Pegg and you haven't noticed yet



Well... Outside of here, I'm just going to assume that the people you're talking to are on loony-tunes Righty fringe sites full of Legit Hard-Core Anti-Vaxxers and Cuckoo Conspiracy Theorists and they're just as fuckin' paranoid as you are.

Either that, or my initial assessment of you is correct and you're really a pro-Covid-vaccine plant that is putting shit like this out there to discredit anybody who has legitimate concerns about the vaccine.

Either way, I'd suggest getting some help. The help you need depends on what you're actual problem is, but you do have a problem.

Quit making your problem mine by posting this stupid bullshit.



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Wednesday, September 8, 2021 10:49 AM

SIGNYM

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DREAMTROVE: All the unvaccinated people I know online and not on this board have commented on the same things independently to me, so it's happening everywhere. 10-20% have no color, they have zombie odor, they have weird folding skin or they shuffle, and some have all of this, they're zombies. they're no syncytin zombies.



If they're UNvaccinated, DREAMTROVE, how do you explain this, except to say that they (you) have somehow "caught" the vaccine (impossible) and are experiencing side effects which even the VACCINATED don't experience (also impossible)?

You're assuming two impossibilities.

Isn't it just simpler to assume that the unvaccinated have caught a mild case of COVID?

That 20% falls in line with the serology tests showing that about 20% have had the disease, and explains everything without assuming the impossible.

Yanno, I know that you're wedded to your "vaccine is a bioweapon" theory, but often the simplest explanation is the best.

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Wednesday, September 8, 2021 10:59 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


I think the first thing we need to do is stop calling it a disease.

I know that technically the flu and the common cold ARE diseases, but we, the laypeople, don't ever call the flu or a cold a disease in regular conversation. We leave that to actual scary things like Cancer and Meningitis.

In this context... everyday rational human conversation, Covid is not a disease. Anybody calling it such is simply fear-mongering.

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Wednesday, September 8, 2021 11:40 AM

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DREAMTROVE: All the unvaccinated people I know online and not on this board have commented on the same things independently to me, so it's happening everywhere. 10-20% have no color, they have zombie odor, they have weird folding skin or they shuffle, and some have all of this, they're zombies. they're no syncytin zombies.



If they're UNvaccinated, DREAMTROVE, how do you explain this, except to say that they (you) have somehow "caught" the vaccine (impossible) and are experiencing side effects which even the VACCINATED don't experience (also impossible)?

You're assuming two impossibilities.

Isn't it just simpler to assume that the unvaccinated have caught a mild case of COVID?

That 20% falls in line with the serology tests showing that about 20% have had the disease, and explains everything without assuming the impossible.

Yanno, I know that you're wedded to your "vaccine is a bioweapon" theory, but often the simplest explanation is the best.





Exactly, simplest explanation is dreamtrove is a mental case and a troll. So is anyone who doesn't admit this.

T



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Wednesday, September 8, 2021 11:45 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Exactly, simplest explanation is dreamtrove is a mental case and a troll. So is anyone who doesn't admit this.



Pot calling kettle, bitch.

I am calling out his behavior now.

You were cheering on Reaverfan when he told people to kill themselves every day.

You fuckin' Bushite worm.

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Wednesday, September 8, 2021 2:35 PM

SIGNYM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I think the first thing we need to do is stop calling it a disease.

I know that technically the flu and the common cold ARE diseases, but we, the laypeople, don't ever call the flu or a cold a disease in regular conversation. We leave that to actual scary things like Cancer and Meningitis.

In this context... everyday rational human conversation, Covid is not a disease. Anybody calling it such is simply fear-mongering.

With more experience and with widespread testing, Covid-19 has been determined to kill about 0.7pct of those who catch it. (That's in line with my pencil-whipped figure from Divoc-91.)

That's still about 7x higher than the flu, and hugely larger than the common cold.

In my life, I have NEVER known anyone to die of "the flu", but I knew two people... people I spoke to personally, with whom I had a sustained connection, to have died of Covid-19.

So MY EXPERIENCE tell me that Covid is more than the flu. Is it the scary RUN FOR YOUR LIFE!!! event for younger, healthy people?? No. With an IFR of about 0.07pct for ppl your age, SIX, it's not a big deal.

But it IS a significant risk for the elderly, with about a 1 pct IFR for ppl my age

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Wednesday, September 8, 2021 3:01 PM

DREAMTROVE


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He's not going to give his symptoms to a doctor.

He's convinced that if he goes to the doctor that they're going to kill him.


Not sure why he's jumping straight to a heart disease though when diagnosing himself. That fuckin' WebMD site has probably killed more people from stress than it's ever helped.



Dude. Stop being an asshole. where do you think I get all the info from. I have a doctor. Going to see the doctor is not the same as checking into the hospital. If I check into a hospital here, my chances of getting something like regeneron mab are zero, I will not be able to get iver or hcq, I will not be able to take my herbals. I will be hooked up to a ventilator and given fentanyl. that's what the protocol is here. that's a terrible fucking treatment plan, which is why new york has the world's highest covid death rate per case.

turns out the heart problems are more common than even the covid cough, with 90% of people having them, because it's an endothelial inflammation problem, not a direct airway problem


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Wednesday, September 8, 2021 3:16 PM

DREAMTROVE


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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

If they're UNvaccinated, DREAMTROVE, how do you explain this, except to say that they (you) have somehow "caught" the vaccine (impossible) and are experiencing side effects which even the VACCINATED don't experience (also impossible)?

You're assuming two impossibilities.

Isn't it just simpler to assume that the unvaccinated have caught a mild case of COVID?

That 20% falls in line with the serology tests showing that about 20% have had the disease, and explains everything without assuming the impossible.

Yanno, I know that you're wedded to your "vaccine is a bioweapon" theory, but often the simplest explanation is the best.



No, I'm not, you're just inserting random things. I caught covid, this thread is called I think I have delta. I started out at this position. I think that people are catching it from the vaxing. Possibly from the vax centers. It's just I have to deal with reality, not fantasies repeated posted to a firefly forum.

Again, contagious vax is your theory, Sig, not mine

As for the zombie thing, I smell the zombie, I'm really worried I'm going to come out of this a zombie. By zombie I mean one of these no syncytin people with their orange skin and no blood flow and old odor and shakes and touch of roadkill. I see a lot of this, and I don't want it

Reality is people who got the vax got sick, those who didn't did not, at first, they got sick after. This is logical because also people who didn't get the vax didn't go to the city, but I think there's possibly more to it than that, but I'll let it go because there is no one here who will listen despite this obvious fact I already posted the sources for, that the vaccine is patented as a bioweapon. <-- this is why I call it a bioweapon. But the bioweapon is in the coronavirus, and it's entirely possible and even probable that the current vaccine makers are unwittingly copying a boioweapon which is actually the spike protein.

There is a complete picture here and I'm trying to get to it and what I hear is




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Wednesday, September 8, 2021 4:00 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



DT, I think the explanation for vax+COVID is simple.

1) People just now getting a vax because they've heard about delta.
2) People are just now getting sick with COVID-19 because of delta.
Two things are now happening or more less simultaneously due to a third cause.


I have a couple of questions for you.
1) What do you make of all those people who caught COVID-19, with a socially significant number dying, before there was even a vax?
2) How will you adjust your thinking when an overwhelming number of vaccinated people survive the vax?

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Wednesday, September 8, 2021 4:15 PM

DREAMTROVE


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Originally posted by 1KIKI:

DT, I think the explanation for vax+COVID is simple.

1) People just now getting a vax because they've heard about delta.
2) People are just now getting sick with COVID-19 because of delta.
Two things are now happening or more less simultaneously due to a third cause.


I have a couple of questions for you.
1) What do you make of all those people who caught COVID-19, with a socially significant number dying, before there was even a vax?
2) How will you adjust your thinking when an overwhelming number of vaccinated people survive the vax?



I could be wrong about the vax, but at the moment I'm at one person i know died of covid 3 of vax, so I don't think "most people survive" is the measure, most people survive covid.

Viruses do not rapidly mutate on their own. if there is a new variant, then it's engineered, but it is probably related to the vaccine. If not, people going to get the vaccine are still coming back with it, I have to look at the data I see in reality

Vaccine proponents are at a credibility level that makes the planners of the iraq war look like the good humor man. That makes the vax seem less safe. The fact that they said they were going to scam people into accepting a pan-coronavirus vaccine before there was even an outbreak is suspicious. Every piece of it is incredibly suspicious

that said, despite my 100% certainty that the vax is a scam, it may have been an effective trap. Some people are probably better off with the vax than with the covid. like people over 65. But even if it's an effective vax, it's still very likely a scam because they likely set it up and released the pathogen themselves, at least, that's the direction 100% of credible evidence is leaning.

Here's my question: If it was a set up, and we just handed out a trillion dollars to people commiting bioterrorism on a global scale, what are the chances that it will happen again? I mean, it worked, and will the left ever admit they're wrong, or will they just fall for it repeatedly?

At the moment I have the horrid thing and trying to get rid of it and experiencing already zombification. If I'd gotten the vax maybe I wouldn't ahve this problem, but maybe I'd have other problems. IDK

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Wednesday, September 8, 2021 5:23 PM

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:

DT, I think the explanation for vax+COVID is simple.

1) People just now getting a vax because they've heard about delta.
2) People are just now getting sick with COVID-19 because of delta.
Two things are now happening or more less simultaneously due to a third cause.


I have a couple of questions for you.
1) What do you make of all those people who caught COVID-19, with a socially significant number dying, before there was even a vax?
2) How will you adjust your thinking when an overwhelming number of vaccinated people survive the vax?

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Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
I could be wrong about the vax, but at the moment I'm at one person i know died of covid 3 of vax, so I don't think "most people survive" is the measure, most people survive covid.

Your figures are only true if you assume your small circle of people is the only data that exists.
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Viruses do not rapidly mutate on their own.
One-stranded RNA viruses mutate a lot, because they aren't stabilized by a complementary strand, because the viruses don't have a template to repair from, and because they don't have copy-repair enzymes. For example, influenza viruses are also single-stranded RNA viruses, and they mutate all the time, so much so that new vaccines have to be created every year.
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if there is a new variant, then it's engineered
not true, see above
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but it is probably related to the vaccine
not true, see above
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If not, people going to get the vaccine are still coming back with it, I have to look at the data I see in reality
It's true SOME vaccinated people are infected with SARS-CoV-2 and spread the virus, but not everyone is.
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Vaccine proponents are at a credibility level that makes the planners of the iraq war look like the good humor man.
Some very prominent people are associated with the vax - specifically Fauci. If he wasn't in the equation, you might think differently.
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That makes the vax seem less safe. The fact that they
Event201?
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said they were going to scam people into accepting a pan-coronavirus vaccine before there was even an outbreak is suspicious. Every piece of it is incredibly suspicious
People were predicting Ebola would come to America, and then it did (mini outbreak in Dallas, TX). I hate to say it, but it doesn't take a genius to foresee these things. The Coming Plague was published in 1994.
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that said, despite my 100% certainty that the vax is a scam, it may have been an effective trap. Some people are probably better off with the vax than with the covid. like people over 65. But even if it's an effective vax, it's still very likely a scam because they likely set it up and released the pathogen themselves, at least, that's the direction 100% of credible evidence is leaning.
Uhm ... if the virus is real and kills people, and the vax is real and overall helps people over 65 - and also those with other risk factors - then if the vax is better than the disease as you say, how is the vax a scam?
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Here's my question: If
the **IF** you propose is a very big IF
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it was a set up, and we just handed out a trillion dollars to people committing bioterrorism on a global scale, what are the chances that it will happen again? I mean, it worked, and will the left ever admit they're wrong, or will they just fall for it repeatedly?
Ahem. Real-world data will be evident. When Iraq's WMDs failed to materialize despite the fervent hopes and ad nauseum claims of many, eventually all but the most data-resistant had to admit the threat as claimed never existed. A significant global lack of deaths after vaccination will also be evident.
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At the moment I have the horrid thing and trying to get rid of it and experiencing already zombification. If I'd gotten the vax maybe I wouldn't have this problem, but maybe I'd have other problems. IDK
I truly sympathize with your condition. It took me well over a year before I felt reasonably OK, and that was before any kind of vax was even a glimmer on the horizon. (Back then you had to get dispensation from the Holy See at the CDC to even get tested.) Please be diligent in giving yourself good self-care. Please know that you may be at it for quite some time before you recover.

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Wednesday, September 8, 2021 6:47 PM

DREAMTROVE




Major update today. My doctor gave me a drug called Dexamethasone, a steroid antiinflammatory that my sister was given some years back.

I took half of one, no reaction. I waited and hour, took the second half, no reaction. Went downstairs had breakfast, sat down and started checking my messages.

Bam my heart rate shot from 60 to 180 in 60 seconds. Called 911. Everyone was useless. I lay on the floor shaking for 30 minutes. The HR has been going down 0.1 beats a minute or less. It's taken hours, and hours of me deliberately taking some herbal teas with EGCG boswellia and valerian. It still hasn't calmed down very much and is around 120. These are very high numbers.

This side effect was observed in the rat trials but then dismissed as not statistically significant in humans. Perhaps it's "If you've had covid" don't go near dexamethasone

This is right now so much a worse problem for me than covid. I'm not out of the woods on this, so I'm just posting to say I'm alive as of this pointing, but avoid the DEX if you've had covid

preloaded anti-skepticism, no I had taken nothing else. This is the only thing I've take, and it happened so fast, and here's the rat study. If someone gives you this for covid, I'd say not even "use with caution" I did use with caution. this is a flat out avoid.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S193317111830179
7#:~:text=Highlights&text=Acute%20dexamethasone%20(DEX)%20treatment%20does,autonomic%20balance%20to%20the%20heart.&text=Short-term%20DEX%20treatment%20increases,to%20the%20heart%20before%20hypertension
.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22971929/

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Friday, September 10, 2021 11:27 AM

1KIKI

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How're you doing, DT?

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Friday, September 10, 2021 11:44 AM

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But does DEX have electrolytes?

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Friday, September 10, 2021 1:29 PM

SIGNYM

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Both my husband and daughter were on dexamethasone, for different reasons. She was on it for 2 years and she had moon face and buffalo hump and belly fat and a few other side effects.

Hubby was on it for a week, but his muscles got so weak he couldn't walk, so his dr took him off dex and put him on a different steroid. Both steroids caused his blood sugar to shoot up.

Steroids come with lists of side effects longer than your arm, but not everyone will experience all of, or the same, side effects. You just have to try it and see.

Dexamethasone is an extremely powerful steroid. The only reason to use it, and not another steroid, is that it penetrates the blood-brain barrier, so it is (or was, anyway) used after brain surgery to reduce brain swelling.

Perhaps your doctor suspects brain inflammation* as well as body-wide inflammation.

In any case, you apparently had a bad reaction to dexamethasone. Some people do. But I wouldn't turn that into a universal prohibition against dexamethasone, as it can be a very useful drug.

It sounds to me like you have had a problem with your heart rate BEFORE dexamethasone and BEFORE Covid. Having gone thru that myself, CAUSED BY RARE REACTION TO A GENERALLY WELL-TOLERATED SUPPLEMENT (SAM-E), you should look over your supplements to make sure that you aren't pre-disposing yourself to high heart rate.

There are several causes of high heart rate, I learned from the cardiologist. The most common are dehydration/electrolyte imbalance (low sodium), and fever..

But some causes originate in your heart's natural "pacemaker", a bundle of nerves in the upper part of your heart that fires to start each heartbeat. SOME people's "pacemaker" is sensitive to extra adrenaline floating around, and it may fire too frequently. You're under stress. You're prolly pumping out adrenaline now. If you have a twitchy "pacemaker", or it is being made twitchy by illness, stress, or supplements ... well, there are medicines for that. BUT YOU SHOULD BE SEEN BY A CARDIOLOGIST TO HAVE THAT SORTED OUT if you have high heart rate frequently, assuming that you aren't dehydrated or short of electrolytes.

In my case, I was told my heart was working great, it was just my pacemaker that was fucking up. I was prescribed metoprolol, which reduces the effect of adrenaline, but I never took it. I just waited another (very uncomfortable) month for the effects of SAM-E to wear off, which it did, eventually.

*Brain immunity and body immunity are usually separated by the blood/brain barrier and are two different things; so using steroids to reduce inflammation in the body generally shouldn't reach the brain if the blood/brain barrier is intact.

SEE A CARDIOLOGIST FOR FREQUENT HIGH HEART RATE, ASSUMING THAT YOU ARE NOT DEHYDRATED OR LOW ON ELECTROLYTES.

You need to take practical steps to troubleshoot your own health, and you also need to know when to call in the troops... or somebody else needs to know when to call in the troops for you, bc sick people generally are NOT the best judge of what's going on.

If you have a friend with a practical bent, and they are medically savvy, I would rely on them. If not, you need to rely in your family doctor.

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Saturday, September 11, 2021 10:19 AM

1KIKI

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Hey DT - how're ya doin'?

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Saturday, September 11, 2021 10:21 AM

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Drama Queen's fine.

He's certainly not going to be the first person in the world to die from Covid.

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Saturday, September 11, 2021 12:09 PM

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lol

DT's going to love this one.

Psaki is a fucking idiot.



Loud and clear messaging for sure, Diversity Hire.

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Saturday, September 11, 2021 4:13 PM

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Hope you get better, DT.

I got sick again this past week, seems like a 3rd round of covid. Couldn't conjure where I got it, until realized my friend got vaxxed about a month ago. He got thge J&J. he's been in poor health for years.

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Saturday, September 11, 2021 4:57 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
lol

DT's going to love this one.

Psaki is a fucking idiot.


Lol

It took me a second. She meant to say "covid can still kill you" not vaccines

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Saturday, September 11, 2021 4:59 PM

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Hope you get better, DT.

I got sick again this past week, seems like a 3rd round of covid. Couldn't conjure where I got it, until realized my friend got vaxxed about a month ago. He got thge J&J. he's been in poor health for years.



Seven Golden vials. I think I've gotten two times covid. I'm going to try to avoid the other five

I've noticed the beast has been preloading this with bogus explanations of why you can get "re-infected" with covid


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Saturday, September 11, 2021 5:11 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Both my husband and daughter were on dexamethasone


yeah seems like a really bad one

I've had 12 of these tachycardia attacks int he last two days, highest was 207, and some go on for hours

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Steroids come with lists of side effects longer than your arm, but not everyone will experience all of, or the same, side effects. You just have to try it and see.

Got it. Wheel of Suck.

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Dexamethasone is an extremely powerful steroid. The only reason to use it, and not another steroid, is that it penetrates the blood-brain barrier, so it is (or was, anyway) used after brain surgery to reduce brain swelling.

Great, more brain damage
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Perhaps your doctor suspects brain inflammation* as well as body-wide inflammation.

Or he's a ninny and he pulled it off someone's recommendation list for covid

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It sounds to me like you have had a problem with your heart rate BEFORE dexamethasone and BEFORE Covid.


I'd have some minor issues.

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Having gone thru that myself, CAUSED BY RARE REACTION TO A GENERALLY WELL-TOLERATED SUPPLEMENT (SAM-E), you should look over your supplements to make sure that you aren't pre-disposing yourself to high heart rate.

oof

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There are several causes of high heart rate, I learned from the cardiologist. The most common are dehydration/electrolyte imbalance (low sodium), and fever..

Dexamethazone upregulates angiostatin 2 which is countered by ACE2 which is in turn inhibited by covid, causing the imbalance. It's was pretty simple to work out. The doctors at the ER were willing to accept that but not doing anything about it because they didn't have a blood test for ANG2 levels so they didn't want to rx an ANG2 inhibitor. I mean, that's logical, because piling more drugs on top could make matters worse

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But some causes originate in your heart's natural "pacemaker", a bundle of nerves in the upper part of your heart that fires to start each heartbeat. SOME people's "pacemaker" is sensitive to extra adrenaline floating around, and it may fire too frequently. You're under stress. You're prolly pumping out adrenaline now.


I considered this also, so I got some Kava, norepinephrine inhibitor

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BUT YOU SHOULD BE SEEN BY A CARDIOLOGIST TO HAVE THAT SORTED OUT if you have high heart rate frequently, assuming that you aren't dehydrated or short of electrolytes.


Yep. but slow

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In my case, I was told my heart was working great


yeah same here. I guess if you weren't in good cardiac health then the tachycardia would have caused a heart attack and you would have been there for a heart attack instead

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it was just my pacemaker that was fucking up. I was prescribed metoprolol, which reduces the effect of adrenaline, but I never took it. I just waited another (very uncomfortable) month for the effects of SAM-E to wear off, which it did, eventually.

Yeah, same logic. It's an easier approach than the ANG2 inhibitors, which are all rx BP meds.

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*Brain immunity and body immunity are usually separated by the blood/brain barrier and are two different things; so using steroids to reduce inflammation in the body generally shouldn't reach the brain if the blood/brain barrier is intact.


If you recall my sister's brain cancer threads from 2010-2013, I went through this with her. She was on DEX at some point

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You need to take practical steps to troubleshoot your own health, and you also need to know when to call in the troops... or somebody else needs to know when to call in the troops for you, bc sick people generally are NOT the best judge of what's going on.

If you have a friend with a practical bent, and they are medically savvy, I would rely on them. If not, you need to rely in your family doctor.

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yeeet


Six, no, it doesn't have electrolytes, but it does have what Beast craves

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Saturday, September 11, 2021 7:37 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


DREAMTROVE: Brain swelling kills brain cells. If cells swell up in a closed space ... like, say, the skull... they wind up getting squeezed to death. And neurons don't regrow.

Therefore, doctors take a LOT of effort to prevent and correct brain swelling, including opening holes into the skull, removing parts of the skull, and prescribing medications that may otherwise have powerful negative side effects elsewhere.

Sorry, but I don't recall reading your posts about your sister's illness.

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Saturday, September 11, 2021 7:42 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
lol

DT's going to love this one.

Psaki is a fucking idiot.


Lol

It took me a second. She meant to say "covid can still kill you" not vaccines




Yeah. I know.

I think the real reason that they're always wearing masks in the White House is because whatever brain-rot Dumbass Joe* has is contagious.


I can totally picture Psaki chugging a Gatorade now. I think of her whenever you say the Beast.



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Monday, September 13, 2021 12:00 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
DREAMTROVE: Brain swelling kills brain cells. If cells swell up in a closed space ... like, say, the skull... they wind up getting squeezed to death. And neurons don't regrow.

Therefore, doctors take a LOT of effort to prevent and correct brain swelling, including opening holes into the skull, removing parts of the skull, and prescribing medications that may otherwise have powerful negative side effects elsewhere.

Sorry, but I don't recall reading your posts about your sister's illness.

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My sister's illness consumed my entire life for two years, so I wasn't posting a lot at that time but yeah, we went through all of this.

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Monday, September 13, 2021 12:42 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


When you ae tending someone who is seriously ill, posting can fall by the wayside.


How are YOU doing today, speaking of posting?

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Monday, September 13, 2021 1:15 PM

DREAMTROVE


I've spent the last four days in the hospital, home again, in bad shape, with a beta blocker. I would say if you didn't mind NWO dick in your ass you could get the vax instead, but there were people in there with the vax who had covid, it might be useless as a vax.

Anyway, can't get out of bed, going to try to eat

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Monday, September 13, 2021 6:33 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


I hope, as before, that you have someone to check in on you, DREAMTROVE.

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Monday, September 13, 2021 9:12 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



I'm glad you got medical help DT, it sounds like you needed it. When you can please let us know how you're doing.


And I join with Signy in saying I too hope you have someone who checks in on you regularly.

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Tuesday, September 14, 2021 11:46 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



So hey, I saw you posted elsewhere, DT! I hope you're doing better.

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Tuesday, September 14, 2021 8:13 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
I've spent the last four days in the hospital, home again, in bad shape, with a beta blocker. I would say if you didn't mind NWO dick in your ass you could get the vax instead, but there were people in there with the vax who had covid, it might be useless as a vax.

Anyway, can't get out of bed, going to try to eat

I am really, really, glad to hear that you escaped a NY hospital without them killing you.
If you had details on how that happened, I'd like to hear.



Because I've been also sick, my posting has been very limited.

I meant to ask you: When you and your friends were all apparently normal, and you all smelled the zombie smell for the first time on a person, which vax had that zombie-odored person been given? If there were several zombie-odored around the same time, had they all gotten the same brand of vax, or had they all been hanging together?
Thanks for the info.

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Tuesday, September 14, 2021 8:44 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:


Major update today. My doctor gave me a drug called Dexamethasone, a steroid antiinflammatory that my sister was given some years back.

I took half of one, no reaction. I waited and hour, took the second half, no reaction. Went downstairs had breakfast, sat down and started checking my messages.

Bam my heart rate shot from 60 to 180 in 60 seconds. Called 911. Everyone was useless. I lay on the floor shaking for 30 minutes. The HR has been going down 0.1 beats a minute or less. It's taken hours, and hours of me deliberately taking some herbal teas with EGCG boswellia and valerian. It still hasn't calmed down very much and is around 120. These are very high numbers.

This side effect was observed in the rat trials but then dismissed as not statistically significant in humans. Perhaps it's "If you've had covid" don't go near dexamethasone

This is right now so much a worse problem for me than covid. I'm not out of the woods on this, so I'm just posting to say I'm alive as of this pointing, but avoid the DEX if you've had covid

preloaded anti-skepticism, no I had taken nothing else. This is the only thing I've take, and it happened so fast, and here's the rat study. If someone gives you this for covid, I'd say not even "use with caution" I did use with caution. this is a flat out avoid.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/sci
ence/article/abs/pii/S19331711183
01797#:~:text=Highlights&text=Acute%20d
examethasone%20(DEX)%20treatme
nt%20does,autonomic%20balance%20t
o%20the%20heart.&text=Short-ter
m%20DEX%20treatment%20increase
s,to%20the%20heart%20before%20hypertension.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22971929/

quoted for readability.

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Friday, September 17, 2021 7:35 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Hey DREAMTROVE.
Haven't see anything of you for a couple of days.
How're ya doing?

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Friday, September 17, 2021 10:49 PM

SIGNYM

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Hello?

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Friday, September 17, 2021 11:10 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


DT's fine.

Maybe he'll come back in 5 years and pretend that we never had any conversations before again.

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Saturday, September 18, 2021 1:16 PM

SIGNYM

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I don't think DT is "fine".

I'm worried about him.

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Sunday, September 19, 2021 6:44 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I don't think DT is "fine".

I'm worried about him.

You should also be worried about this whole family:

Help! My COVID-Conspiracist Husband Made an Ominous Threat if I Get the Vaccine.

I want to keep our kids safe but don’t know what to do.

Dear Prudence,

My husband (M, 49) is vehemently against me (F, 38) getting the COVID vaccine. He believes all the conspiracies—that if the vaccine doesn’t kill me right away, then I will die in the next two years along with everyone else who’s been vaccinated. He also believes that the vaccinated are “shedding” something dangerous from their bodies that can infect people around them. We have four young children (ages 4 to 8), and he believes that I would be a danger to them if I got vaccinated. The only reason I haven’t done so already is because I can’t stand the thought of him telling our children that I will die soon or that they are in danger from just being near me. He’s told me that he “doesn’t know what he’ll do” if I get vaccinated and has refused to elaborate. I’m a stay-at-home mom with no income of my own and no other family. I just don’t see leaving him as an option. What do you do when getting the shot means your children will be told to prepare for your death?

—Protecting My Kids

Dear Protecting My Kids,

As long as you think you can do it without the risk of violence or other serious retribution from your husband, get vaccinated. He doesn’t have to know. I also think you should start to consider leaving this relationship with an irrational man who is making subtle threats and likely putting your children at risk in all kinds of ways—do you really want his kind of thinking influencing them more than it already has? But whether you decide to stay or go, you’ll want to be alive, and the shot is a good way to make sure that’s the case.

https://slate.com/human-interest/2021/09/dear-prudence-covid-husband-t
hreat.html


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Sunday, September 19, 2021 9:29 PM

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lol

Just one more reason not to get married is all that is.

It's time to ditch the bitch, dude.

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