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How Many States Actually Have Rampant Election Fraud?

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Wednesday, November 11, 2020 7:52 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


2020 has helped highlight the problems in some states (battleground or swing).

But Some states have been having unchecked Election Theft in the shadows for a long time.

Some think of CA as just a Libtard wasteland, Electorally. But it has had decades of Election Theft, at least as far back as the obvious case of Bob Dornan losing from the Illegal Alien Vote. CA has become the standard for Institutionalized Voting Fraud.

I know WI has been at it for decades, albeit not in the national spotlight.

PA has been mischeivious for decades, not sure when was the last time they had an honest election.

FL finally got their Elections straightened out, after a lot of rampant fraud.

NY might really just be Ultra-Liberal, but many outstaters would object. Hard to know how much is Fraud there.




What other States do you know of?


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Wednesday, November 11, 2020 9:37 PM

REAVERFAN


To answer your question, none.

Any more questions, Russian bot?



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Wednesday, November 11, 2020 9:45 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


All of them starting with gerrymandering, and moving on to voter roll manipulation, electronic voting, and vote counting.

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Wednesday, November 11, 2020 9:58 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


50 of them.

51 if we're counting Puerto Rico.



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Thursday, November 12, 2020 2:43 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
2020 has helped highlight the problems in some states (battleground or swing).

But Some states have been having unchecked Election Theft in the shadows for a long time.

PA has been mischievous for decades, not sure when was the last time they had an honest election.

Lawyers litigating for Trump suddenly remembered their licenses are on the line if they lie to a judge. There’s a big difference between a) waving around a stack of affidavits in a safe space and b) bringing your claims before a judge.

One of the lawyers arguing the Montgomery County, PA case before Common Pleas Judge Richard P. Haaz was not going to risk losing his law license by lying in court. Sanctions may be issued where frivolous lawsuits have been filed.

On Tuesday, Judge Haaz promptly put Trump campaign attorney Jonathan S. Goldstein on the spot. The judge asked him point-blank if the campaign was actually alleging any fraud. Goldstein admitted that he was not alleging fraud, uttering the phrase (twice): “To my knowledge at present, no.” Legal experts said that Goldstein’s remarks were typical of a lawyer unwilling to risk sanctions or bar discipline in service of a client.

Goldstein’s remarks to the judge were in stark contrast to the president’s entirely unsupported “stolen” election narrative.

Goldstein, without proof of fraud, asked that the ballots in question be thrown out for reasons of material technicality. The attorney noted that “accusing people of fraud is a pretty big step,” and it was a step he did not take.

The Trump campaign lawyer also declined to call Democrats and election officials in Pennsylvania liars. He said that everyone was acting “with good faith.”

In summary, the Trump campaign appeared in court and they neither identified nor alleged any systemic fraud. The case focuses on 592 ballots that have not been counted in a county where the president is behind by 130,000 votes.

https://lawandcrime.com/2020-election/lawyers-litigating-for-trump-sud
denly-remember-their-licenses-are-on-the-line-if-they-lie-to-a-judge
/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Thursday, November 12, 2020 2:53 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



"How Many States Actually Have Rampant Election Fraud?"


It took YEARS before statisticians showed that 2004 was hacked.

https://web.archive.org/web/20071210162916/http://www.commondreams.org
/headlines04/1106-30.htm
http://www.consortiumnews.com/2004/110904.html
https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0411/S00227.htm

There was an actual published report by academicians that was all over the inet at the time, but of course, you can't find it now. THANKS! google and wiki! Way to go with erasing the past!



I suspect it'll take YEARS before this election is unscrambled, assuming anyone bothers.


But, if I may take a page from Signy, who posts "I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.", why do we still have our rickety, hodgepodge, error AND fraud prone voting system? Don't our politicians care to fix it?

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Thursday, November 12, 2020 3:57 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


It's completely broken. The only reason that anybody would say that it isn't is because after 4 years of endless bitching it just happened to work out their way this time.

Like everything else coming down the pike, I hope it was all worth it.





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Thursday, November 12, 2020 10:18 AM

REAVERFAN


There's difference between pretending there's fraud and proving it.



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Thursday, November 12, 2020 10:27 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Nobody on the Left gets to say that today after of 4 years of unproven claims of "election meddling".



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Thursday, November 12, 2020 11:58 AM

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Thursday, November 12, 2020 12:29 PM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Nobody on the Left gets to say that today after of 4 years of unproven claims of "election meddling".



Ok - How about: "Russia meddled in the last 2 elections on behalf of Trump."

lol

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Thursday, November 12, 2020 2:39 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
All of them starting with gerrymandering, and moving on to voter roll manipulation, electronic voting, and vote counting.

Gerrymandering. Do you really consider that Election Fraud? The apportionment of Representatives to Government is based upon population, not geography. Do you really think the Somali constituents of Omar's District are not more adequately served by who they have selected, instead of being grouped with another part of their city whihc would vote conservative?
Same with Tahlib?
In Milwaukee, Gwynn Moore represents her heavily minority constituents, even tho she is the stupidest member of Congress. Whether those elections are stolen or not, do you really think that population would be better represented by whoever River Hills (The wealthiest municipality in the State) votes for?
I have seen the same for hispanic Districts in larger cities.
I am not sure I can convince myself that Gerrymandering is a strictly Fraudulent activity. It is approved by committees, published for all to see what the rules are long before any election, and all can abide by those rules.

voter roll manipulation,
What do yo mean? Keeping Dead people on the roles? People who moved out of state? People who are also on the roles for the neighboring counties, wards, precincts, districts?

electronic voting,
This does seem to be a source of rampant fraud. And not much need, with many wards having less than a couple thousand voters anyhow.


and vote counting.
What do you mean?

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Thursday, November 12, 2020 3:02 PM

REAVERFAN




I hear that Giuliani is gonna reveal the evidence they found at the next press conference at the Waldorf Astoria tire and lube center.



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Thursday, November 12, 2020 8:05 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
All of them starting with gerrymandering, and moving on to voter roll manipulation, electronic voting, and vote counting.

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I was thinking about gerrymandering. It's obvious that it occurs, to spilt a voting block into different districts and so deprive them of any actual say in anything.

So, where does it matter? (Below is my understanding, but if it's wrong perhaps someone could correct me.)

Not, I believe for presidential elections, because totals are counted, and then the electors do what they want, which is to USUALLY assign their votes to the winner (or to portion their votes, depending on state laws), but not always.

Nor for US Senate, since each state gets 2 senators and the entire state votes en masse on them, afaik. So gerrymandering would not be an effective tool in this case.

When it comes to Congressional districts, they're divvied up into more or less equal chunks of people - aka districts - but district lines are drawn as to who belongs to which district. So gerrymandering would be an effective tool in US House seats.

For governors, afaik, votes are counted en masse, so gerrymandering wouldn't be an effective tool to swing governorships.

For state legislatures, I think it depends on the state. California elects both its senators and house members by district, so gerrymandering would be an effective tool for the state legislature.

As far as I can tell, gerrymandering affects US House districts, and state legislative districts.



Anyway, I was trying to come up with a scheme for making district-creation fair and robust - the opposite of gerrymandering. And I was trying to figure out how one comes up with a voting block that should get representation, and make and keep it fair.

Here's an example of a voting block that once made sense, until it didn't.

Long Beach has traditionally been the exception to the waterside = high-value equation. Perhaps the high-volume port with all its industrial cargo stored and trans-shipped (like huge open piles of coal, coke, and clinker), the high concentration of rail-yards, and truck traffic, along with the rough and ready businesses catering to docking ship's crews and dockworkers had something to do with that. So Long Beach as a whole had a fairly uniform set of problems and demographics. High pollution, high transients and crime, low rents and deteriorating housing, and a large concentration of Hispanics who could afford to live there.

But then, over the years, Long Beach sections have been gentrified and become bastions of the wealthier who'll pay a premium to live near the water, and who demand a neighborhood to go along with their pricey properties.

So, when a demographic changes under the district boundaries, how can that be accounted for?

My question I guess is - if you were going to have a do-over to get rid of gerrymandering, what would you do to get and keep equitable representation?

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Friday, November 13, 2020 2:08 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
All of them starting with gerrymandering, and moving on to voter roll manipulation, electronic voting, and vote counting.

I was thinking about gerrymandering. It's obvious that it occurs, to spilt a voting block into different districts and so deprive them of any actual say in anything.

So, where does it matter? (Below is my understanding, but if it's wrong perhaps someone could correct me.)

Not, I believe for presidential elections, because totals are counted, and then the electors do what they want, which is to USUALLY assign their votes to the winner (or to portion their votes, depending on state laws), but not always.

Nor for US Senate, since each state gets 2 senators and the entire state votes en masse on them, afaik. So gerrymandering would not be an effective tool in this case.


For governors, afaik, votes are counted en masse, so gerrymandering wouldn't be an effective tool to swing governorships.

Are you trying to tell us that you are not a Libtard?

Because Libtards are always whining about gerrymandering in U.S. Senate Races and Governors races.


Regarding Presidential Electoral College, your description applies to all states except Maine and Nebraska. In those 2 States, gerrymandering affects the Electoral college, the Election of President.

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Friday, November 13, 2020 2:20 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Regarding your Long Beach mention.

This coming year will have the new Apportionment for the House of Representatives, following the Census results.

In WI, the 1st and 2nd Congressional Districts currently split the Cities of Janesville and Beloit (in Rock County, south of Madison, midway from Mississippi River to Lake Michiganm on the IL border, adjacent to South Beloit IL).

Janesville was a GM town, and had the oldest GM Assembly Plant (for 100 years). It has a common story. In 2006 the Plant was producing SUVs and trucks, and had to add an overtime shift to keep up with demand. So since the Autoworkers hated their jobs, they decided to STRIKE in 2007. Really. In 2007. Went on Strike. No kidding. No surprise, in 2008 the plant was idled, giving the Autoworkers what they wanted. In 2009 the Plant was closed by Obama Motors. In 2018 it was demolished, after being required to wait for a new contract from Autoworkers.
So the last Census/redrawing of Districts happened when the Plant was on Standby, and some folk were hoping it would return and Striking Workers could go back on Strike.
But this time there is not much hope of that, so the political landscape of the voters may be different.

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Monday, November 16, 2020 6:36 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



Quote:

The analysis looked at the final ratio of Democrat to Republican presidential votes in all 50 states. The norm for 40 of those 50 states was that, when counting mail-in ballots, they reflect the same ultimate ratio for the election as a whole. Thus, if a Democrat ends by winning 2 to 1, the mail-in ballots will also reflect this ratio as they arrive and get counted. That's because they've been shuffled in the postal system so that they don't arrive as clumps of ballots from red or blue districts. This ratio of red versus blue incoming ballots shows up as a constant straight line on a chart.


However, in ten states, nine of which Trump contests, the chart showed a huge and bizarre bounce right around 4 a.m. That, of course, was after the fraud states abruptly stopped counting, only to resume a few hours later, and that was when the tide turned so dramatically in Biden's direction that he completely wiped out Trump's advantage.

That's only one of the three statistical anomalies that I know of that should be examined by statisticians.

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Tuesday, November 17, 2020 4:26 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.





Quote:

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/11/17/politics/2020-house-races-majority/
index.html


... the last few days have been filled with close House races (finally) being projected. And those projections reveal just how poorly House Democrats did.
With just a handful of races still uncalled at this point, Republicans have gained nine seats -- having won 12 Democratic-held districts and lost just three of their own.


And there's a handful of close races still to count.

And yet Biden* 'won' despite all the republican down ballot votes.


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Tuesday, November 17, 2020 8:06 PM

REAVERFAN




Loser. Bigly. Your tears are delicious. Your anguish is my joy. Suffer.



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Tuesday, November 17, 2020 8:09 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



Quote:

The analysis looked at the final ratio of Democrat to Republican presidential votes in all 50 states. The norm for 40 of those 50 states was that, when counting mail-in ballots, they reflect the same ultimate ratio for the election as a whole. Thus, if a Democrat ends by winning 2 to 1, the mail-in ballots will also reflect this ratio as they arrive and get counted. That's because they've been shuffled in the postal system so that they don't arrive as clumps of ballots from red or blue districts. This ratio of red versus blue incoming ballots shows up as a constant straight line on a chart.


However, in ten states, nine of which Trump contests, the chart showed a huge and bizarre bounce right around 4 a.m. That, of course, was after the fraud states abruptly stopped counting, only to resume a few hours later, and that was when the tide turned so dramatically in Biden's direction that he completely wiped out Trump's advantage.





That's only one of the three statistical anomalies that I know of that should be examined by statisticians.

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Tuesday, November 17, 2020 8:11 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:


Loser. Bigly. Your tears are delicious. Your anguish is my joy. Suffer.






SPOILER ALERT: Next stop, SCOTUS.

Thanks for fast tracking all of this because of TDS.

Dummies should have sat on it until Inauguration Day.

But you didn't, because you're fucking dummies.



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Wednesday, November 18, 2020 4:43 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Quote:

The analysis looked at the final ratio of Democrat to Republican presidential votes in all 50 states. The norm for 40 of those 50 states was that, when counting mail-in ballots, they reflect the same ultimate ratio for the election as a whole. Thus, if a Democrat ends by winning 2 to 1, the mail-in ballots will also reflect this ratio as they arrive and get counted. That's because they've been shuffled in the postal system so that they don't arrive as clumps of ballots from red or blue districts. This ratio of red versus blue incoming ballots shows up as a constant straight line on a chart.


However, in ten states, nine of which Trump contests, the chart showed a huge and bizarre bounce right around 4 a.m. That, of course, was after the fraud states abruptly stopped counting, only to resume a few hours later, and that was when the tide turned so dramatically in Biden's direction that he completely wiped out Trump's advantage.

That's only one of the three statistical anomalies that I know of that should be examined by statisticians.

I had thought that story was about general Election fraud. But I now see that it was part of the new Dominion system fraud.

After the Election, in States where Trump was winning, the order came down to cease counting votes, and evacuate the counting facility to allow Libtard-Soros reps to come in and reprogram the Dominion voting machines, and this is where all of that sudden Biden Bump Dump occurred in those states.
Sounds like we might read more about that when Sidney Powell briefs become available.



If they do investigate and correct these Fake Votes, then VA-2 and VA-7 might return to GOP wins, like they were on Election Day.

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Wednesday, November 18, 2020 6:56 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


If Trump manages to bring receipts on this obvious voter fraud and gives everybody evidence that even CNN can't deny, not only is he going to go down as a great president, but one of the best this country has ever had.



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Thursday, November 19, 2020 2:59 PM

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Friday, November 20, 2020 2:27 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Quote:

The analysis looked at the final ratio of Democrat to Republican presidential votes in all 50 states. The norm for 40 of those 50 states was that, when counting mail-in ballots, they reflect the same ultimate ratio for the election as a whole. Thus, if a Democrat ends by winning 2 to 1, the mail-in ballots will also reflect this ratio as they arrive and get counted. That's because they've been shuffled in the postal system so that they don't arrive as clumps of ballots from red or blue districts. This ratio of red versus blue incoming ballots shows up as a constant straight line on a chart.


However, in ten states, nine of which Trump contests, the chart showed a huge and bizarre bounce right around 4 a.m. That, of course, was after the fraud states abruptly stopped counting, only to resume a few hours later, and that was when the tide turned so dramatically in Biden's direction that he completely wiped out Trump's advantage.

That's only one of the three statistical anomalies that I know of that should be examined by statisticians.

I had thought that story was about general Election fraud. But I now see that it was part of the new Dominion system fraud.

After the Election, in States where Trump was winning, the order came down to cease counting votes, and evacuate the counting facility to allow Libtard-Soros reps to come in and reprogram the Dominion voting machines, and this is where all of that sudden Biden Bump Dump occurred in those states.
Sounds like we might read more about that when Sidney Powell briefs become available.



If they do investigate and correct these Fake Votes, then VA-2 and VA-7 might return to GOP wins, like they were on Election Day.

It sounds like the funniest part of this is that the whole "Stop Counting, Go Home, Evacuate, Reprogram the Software, Create Sudden Biden Bump Dump" was not exactly planned that way, but was needed in response to the outrageous amount of landslide votes cast for Trump. The cheating software which had worked so well for Venezuelan dictators could not keep up with the flood of Trump votes. And that is why counting had to be stopped in key States Biden needed to win, so that the programming could be changed to counter the excessive Trump Vote.

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Friday, November 20, 2020 2:36 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Nevada.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/lawsuit-claims-15000-voters-in-nevada-al
so-voted-outside-the-state_3583326.html

The current listed margin of victory for NV-03 (South Las Vegas) is 12,000 - even though the GOP was leading that race after the election, and before the mystery ballot dumps.

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Wednesday, November 25, 2020 4:41 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Quote:

The analysis looked at the final ratio of Democrat to Republican presidential votes in all 50 states. The norm for 40 of those 50 states was that, when counting mail-in ballots, they reflect the same ultimate ratio for the election as a whole. Thus, if a Democrat ends by winning 2 to 1, the mail-in ballots will also reflect this ratio as they arrive and get counted. That's because they've been shuffled in the postal system so that they don't arrive as clumps of ballots from red or blue districts. This ratio of red versus blue incoming ballots shows up as a constant straight line on a chart.


However, in ten states, nine of which Trump contests, the chart showed a huge and bizarre bounce right around 4 a.m. That, of course, was after the fraud states abruptly stopped counting, only to resume a few hours later, and that was when the tide turned so dramatically in Biden's direction that he completely wiped out Trump's advantage.

That's only one of the three statistical anomalies that I know of that should be examined by statisticians.

I had thought that story was about general Election fraud. But I now see that it was part of the new Dominion system fraud.

After the Election, in States where Trump was winning, the order came down to cease counting votes, and evacuate the counting facility to allow Libtard-Soros reps to come in and reprogram the Dominion voting machines, and this is where all of that sudden Biden Bump Dump occurred in those states.
Sounds like we might read more about that when Sidney Powell briefs become available.



If they do investigate and correct these Fake Votes, then VA-2 and VA-7 might return to GOP wins, like they were on Election Day.

It sounds like the funniest part of this is that the whole "Stop Counting, Go Home, Evacuate, Reprogram the Software, Create Sudden Biden Bump Dump" was not exactly planned that way, but was needed in response to the outrageous amount of landslide votes cast for Trump. The cheating software which had worked so well for Venezuelan dictators could not keep up with the flood of Trump votes. And that is why counting had to be stopped in key States Biden needed to win, so that the programming could be changed to counter the excessive Trump Vote.

Maybe it was merely coincidental that so many states, spread across 4 time Zones, in coordination, all suspended counting at the same time, in order to injet more Fake votes and reprogram the machines for Obiden lead.


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Wednesday, November 25, 2020 6:02 PM

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Wednesday, November 25, 2020 7:25 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Your hubris is showing.



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Thursday, November 26, 2020 8:14 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



Maybe some of you remember back to 2000 and Florida's 'hanging chad' Supreme Court intervention.

Later, a consortium of 8 newspapers did a study to examine the ballots, and found that if all the ballots had been recounted instead of a limited selection, Gore would probably have won, though narrowly. https://www.factcheck.org/2008/01/the-florida-recount-of-2000/
For the same election, a joint MIT/ CalTech study "found that 4 million to 6 million votes of the 100 million cast last November were not counted" and that "one of the two best solutions was low-tech, the hand-counted paper ballot. Just as reliable, the report said, are the optical-scan machines that count ballots at the precinct level and give voters a second chance if they make a mistake." https://www.nytimes.com/2001/07/17/us/study-says-2000-election-missed-
millions-of-votes.html

Another examination of the Florida vote laid the blame on incompetent or biased administration. https://rangevoting.org/mebane.pop2004.pdf

And what happened to fix any of the problems? (crickets)

In 2004 the skew between exit polling and vote numbers was so anomalous that it begged serious study.

At the time the Edison/ Mitofsky co-venture was commissioned by the National Election Pool (CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN, Fox News, and the Associated Press) to run exit polling and to "restore confidence in the whole election projection game". https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2004/11/exit-zone.html Instead, "national poll results projected a Kerry victory by 3.0%, whereas the official count had Bush winning by 2.5%." https://www.electionmathematics.org/em-exitpolls/Exit_Polls_2004_Ediso
n-Mitofsky.pdf


Edison/ Mitofsky did some footshuffling and debunked their own exit polls. https://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/05/politics/campaign/report-says-probl
ems-led-to-skewed-surveying-data.html

But USCountVotes, formed to examine the 2004 vote, commissioned a group of highly respected statisticians to examine the Edison/ Mitofsky explanation.
They asked themselves this: "The crucial question is whether these problems were part of a larger pattern. Were these issues collectively of sufficient magnitude to reverse the outcome of the election, or were they isolated incidents, procedurally disturbing but of little overall consequence? Under such circumstances we must rely on indirect evidence, such as exit polls, to ascertain the overall integrity of the official election results. The 2004 exit poll was conducted by Edison Media Research and Mitofsky International ... (and) raised a red flag because they showed that Kerry had won the popular vote by a margin of 3%, while the official tally indicated a Bush victory by 2.5%." And they noted that "The report shows differences in within-precinct-error for different types of voting equipment. Precincts with paper ballots in rural precincts showed a median WPE of –0.9, consistent with chance, while all other technologies were associated with unexplained high WPE ..." Up to 10.3pct in fact. They found that the discrepancies were so widespread across so many states, so extreme in terms of numbers of votes, AND SO ONE-SIDED, that random chance could not have caused the discrepancies. They concluded: "The fact (was) that, in the 2004 election, all voting equipment technologies except paper ballots were associated with large unexplained exit poll discrepancies all favoring the same party ..."
And most importantly, they noted "Several methods have been used to estimate the probability that the national exit poll results would be as different as they were from the national popular vote by random chance. These estimates range from 1 in 16.5 million to 1 in 1,2403. No matter how one calculates it, the discrepancy cannot be attributed to chance."
The message to me is this: this wasn't random fate. It was done deliberately.
http://www.electionmathematics.org/em-exitpolls/USCountVotes_Re_Mitofs
ky-Edison.pdf

https://www.electionmathematics.org/em-exitpolls/Exit_Polls_2004_Ediso
n-Mitofsky.pdf


And what happened to fix any of the problems? (crickets)

And since then we've been treated with endless un-evidenced claims like 'Russia rigged the election' while all of the previous real and unaddressed problems are hidden behind a wall of manufactured hype and hysteria ...

And now we have the 2020 election, with so many statistical anomalies going unaddressed.

There's plenty going wrong with US elections. As Signy noted elsewhere, it's everything from "gerrymandering, and moving on to voter roll manipulation, electronic voting, and vote counting.". But we COULD at least fix the voting process, with, also as Signy has noted elsewhere "paper ballots, hand-counted, in public" and a requirement for "voter ID" ... (I'd add a finger dipped in indelible ink.)

I'd bet Biden* (Biden* means the people behind the face, a Signy original) will just take the results and run, without bothering to look into the process. No democrat in government will. And no republican in government will either.



And if democrats don't do any different, how are they any better?

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Friday, November 27, 2020 12:51 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:

Maybe some of you remember back to 2000 and Florida's 'hanging chad' Supreme Court intervention.



I think that Gore losing that election, particularly under those circumstances, was what started the current insanity that surrounds us today in 2020.

To put it another way, in the alternate timeline where Gore won, I think everybody got along a lot better than we do today.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, November 27, 2020 8:46 AM

REAVERFAN


Not to say Republicans don't fudge the results when they play games.

Georgia election officials accused of intentionally destroying evidence
https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2019-07-26/georgia-election
-officials-accused-of-intentionally-destroying-evidence


Election integrity advocates and individual Georgia voters sued election officials in 2017 alleging that the touchscreen voting machines Georgia has used since 2002 are unsecure and vulnerable to hacking. In a court filing Thursday, they said state officials began destroying evidence within days of the suit’s filing and continued to do so as the case moved forward.

“The evidence strongly suggests that the state’s amateurish protection of critical election infrastructure placed Georgia’s election system at risk, and the state defendants now appear to be desperate to cover up the effects of their misfeasance — to the point of destroying evidence,” the filing says.



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Friday, November 27, 2020 2:30 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Maybe some of you remember back to 2000 and Florida's 'hanging chad' Supreme Court intervention.

I think that Gore losing that election, particularly under those circumstances, was what started the current insanity that surrounds us today in 2020.

To put it another way, in the alternate timeline where Gore won, I think everybody got along a lot better than we do today.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

I'm not sure you are being relevant here.

FL Elections from 1996 to 2019 had huge fraud due to the corrupt (aka Libtard) Dem Elections Officials who were always giving excuses for why they had defrauded each Election.
The only reason that Election 2020 had no problems in FL, and everything was completed in a few short hours in FL, was because they finally got rid of the corrupt (aka Libtard) Dem Election officials.

And it is just shocking, shocking I say, that the 2 House Seats in FL which "flipped" from Dem to GOP were near the Miami area - from Election Fraud 2018 to honest Election 2020.

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Friday, November 27, 2020 3:35 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Maybe some of you remember back to 2000 and Florida's 'hanging chad' Supreme Court intervention.

Later, a consortium of 8 newspapers did a study to examine the ballots, and found that if all the ballots had been recounted instead of a limited selection, Gore would probably have won, though narrowly. https://www.factcheck.org/2008/01/the-florida-recount-of-2000/
For the same election, a joint MIT/ CalTech study "found that 4 million to 6 million votes of the 100 million cast last November were not counted" and that "one of the two best solutions was low-tech, the hand-counted paper ballot. Just as reliable, the report said, are the optical-scan machines that count ballots at the precinct level and give voters a second chance if they make a mistake." https://www.nytimes.com/2001/07/17/us/study-says-2000-election-missed-
millions-of-votes.html

Another examination of the Florida vote laid the blame on incompetent or biased administration. https://rangevoting.org/mebane.pop2004.pdf

And what happened to fix any of the problems? (crickets)

In 2004 the skew between exit polling and vote numbers was so anomalous that it begged serious study.

At the time the Edison/ Mitofsky co-venture was commissioned by the National Election Pool (CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN, Fox News, and the Associated Press) to run exit polling and to "restore confidence in the whole election projection game". https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2004/11/exit-zone.html Instead, "national poll results projected a Kerry victory by 3.0%, whereas the official count had Bush winning by 2.5%." https://www.electionmathematics.org/em-exitpolls/Exit_Polls_2004_Ediso
n-Mitofsky.pdf


Edison/ Mitofsky did some footshuffling and debunked their own exit polls. https://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/05/politics/campaign/report-says-probl
ems-led-to-skewed-surveying-data.html

But USCountVotes, formed to examine the 2004 vote, commissioned a group of highly respected statisticians to examine the Edison/ Mitofsky explanation.
They asked themselves this: "The crucial question is whether these problems were part of a larger pattern. Were these issues collectively of sufficient magnitude to reverse the outcome of the election, or were they isolated incidents, procedurally disturbing but of little overall consequence? Under such circumstances we must rely on indirect evidence, such as exit polls, to ascertain the overall integrity of the official election results. The 2004 exit poll was conducted by Edison Media Research and Mitofsky International ... (and) raised a red flag because they showed that Kerry had won the popular vote by a margin of 3%, while the official tally indicated a Bush victory by 2.5%." And they noted that "The report shows differences in within-precinct-error for different types of voting equipment. Precincts with paper ballots in rural precincts showed a median WPE of –0.9, consistent with chance, while all other technologies were associated with unexplained high WPE ..." Up to 10.3pct in fact. They found that the discrepancies were so widespread across so many states, so extreme in terms of numbers of votes, AND SO ONE-SIDED, that random chance could not have caused the discrepancies. They concluded: "The fact (was) that, in the 2004 election, all voting equipment technologies except paper ballots were associated with large unexplained exit poll discrepancies all favoring the same party ..."
And most importantly, they noted "Several methods have been used to estimate the probability that the national exit poll results would be as different as they were from the national popular vote by random chance. These estimates range from 1 in 16.5 million to 1 in 1,2403. No matter how one calculates it, the discrepancy cannot be attributed to chance."
The message to me is this: this wasn't random fate. It was done deliberately.
http://www.electionmathematics.org/em-exitpolls/USCountVotes_Re_Mitofs
ky-Edison.pdf

https://www.electionmathematics.org/em-exitpolls/Exit_Polls_2004_Ediso
n-Mitofsky.pdf


And what happened to fix any of the problems? (crickets)

And since then we've been treated with endless un-evidenced claims like 'Russia rigged the election' while all of the previous real and unaddressed problems are hidden behind a wall of manufactured hype and hysteria ...

And now we have the 2020 election, with so many statistical anomalies going unaddressed.

There's plenty going wrong with US elections. As Signy noted elsewhere, it's everything from "gerrymandering, and moving on to voter roll manipulation, electronic voting, and vote counting.". But we COULD at least fix the voting process, with, also as Signy has noted elsewhere "paper ballots, hand-counted, in public" and a requirement for "voter ID" ... (I'd add a finger dipped in indelible ink.)

I'd bet Biden* (Biden* means the people behind the face, a Signy original) will just take the results and run, without bothering to look into the process. No democrat in government will. And no republican in government will either.



And if democrats don't do any different, how are they any better?

(I'd add a finger dipped in indelible ink.)

How does this work for the most fraudulent form of Election Theft - the Mail In Ballot, as demanded by Karens of America?
I would accept a slice of fintertip to be mailed in with each mail-in Ballot.



"found that 4 million to 6 million votes of the 100 million cast last November were not counted"
Hate to break the news, but 6 million uncounted votes in Election Fraud central locations like CA, NY, IL, NJ, MA, VA, MN are inconsequential. It doesn't matter if there were another 10 million votes counted in those locations, Democrap Election Fraudsters wold have fabricated enough ballots for their side to take the Election anyhow.

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Friday, November 27, 2020 4:00 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



"How does this work for the most fraudulent form of Election Theft - the Mail In Ballot, as demanded by Karens of America?"

As I've been posting FREQUENTLY, statistical analysis works the same way for any kind of vote, and would be a great tool for uncovering manufactured votes.

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Friday, November 27, 2020 4:02 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Maybe some of you remember back to 2000 and Florida's 'hanging chad' Supreme Court intervention.

I think that Gore losing that election, particularly under those circumstances, was what started the current insanity that surrounds us today in 2020.

To put it another way, in the alternate timeline where Gore won, I think everybody got along a lot better than we do today.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

I'm not sure you are being relevant here.

FL Elections from 1996 to 2019 had huge fraud due to the corrupt (aka Libtard) Dem Elections Officials who were always giving excuses for why they had defrauded each Election.
The only reason that Election 2020 had no problems in FL, and everything was completed in a few short hours in FL, was because they finally got rid of the corrupt (aka Libtard) Dem Election officials.

And it is just shocking, shocking I say, that the 2 House Seats in FL which "flipped" from Dem to GOP were near the Miami area - from Election Fraud 2018 to honest Election 2020.




My point was that people didn't really get shitty with each other over politics until that event. That particular election.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, December 1, 2020 2:43 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Toady I see that there are several States where Libtards are still counting votes, looking for more Ballot Dumps for Dems, for uncalled House Seats.

NY, CA, IA, PA, CO.

Almost all House races have only several hundred thousand votes to tally. Why it is taking them 3 weeks to count them? Philly, Detroit, Atlanta, Milwaukee were able to count that many Biden votes in an hour, when nobody was manning any vote counting operation.

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Tuesday, December 1, 2020 2:45 PM

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Tuesday, December 1, 2020 2:48 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Maybe some of you remember back to 2000 and Florida's 'hanging chad' Supreme Court intervention.

I think that Gore losing that election, particularly under those circumstances, was what started the current insanity that surrounds us today in 2020.

To put it another way, in the alternate timeline where Gore won, I think everybody got along a lot better than we do today.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

I'm not sure you are being relevant here.

FL Elections from 1996 to 2019 had huge fraud due to the corrupt (aka Libtard) Dem Elections Officials who were always giving excuses for why they had defrauded each Election.
The only reason that Election 2020 had no problems in FL, and everything was completed in a few short hours in FL, was because they finally got rid of the corrupt (aka Libtard) Dem Election officials.

And it is just shocking, shocking I say, that the 2 House Seats in FL which "flipped" from Dem to GOP were near the Miami area - from Election Fraud 2018 to honest Election 2020.

My point was that people didn't really get shitty with each other over politics until that event. That particular election.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

I recall that folk were quite incensed during the 1972 Election cycle.
Perhaps you slept through the 1992 and 1996 Elections - reasonable folk could not conceive that such a Draft Dodging miscreant could be running for Commander-In-Chief.
Maybe you are confused by the contrast of GOP losing in 1992, 1996 vs Libtards losing in 2000, 2004, 2016, 2020. Even the RINOs losing in 2008 and 2012 was a contrast to Dem Libtards.

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Wednesday, December 2, 2020 9:08 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


How many heard the whistleblower testimony yesterday? I heard it mostly live on Sean Hannity radio shpw, but all links had been scrubbed on search engines yesterday.


https://clarion.causeaction.com/2020/12/01/whistleblower-i-drove-thous
ands-of-ballots-from-new-york-to-pennsylvania
/

https://gellerreport.com/2020/12/watch-live-usps-whistleblowers-come-f
orward-driver-delivered-hundreds-of-thousands-of-completed-ballots-across-three-state-lines.html
/


In addition to a semiload of ballots truicked from Bethpage NY to Lancaster PA and WI trucker forced to truck backdated ballots, there was a woman whose name sounded like Karen Kortin seeing a dump of "military" ballots whjichj ALL had a birthdate of 1 January 1900, and eager vote counters refused to allow her to challenge their validity.

There was also some testimony before MI Legislature.

Some of the terms used may not be familiar to everybody.

A Gaylord is a large box on a plastic Postal pallet, 40"x48" and about 6 feet tall. I am 5'11" with size 13 feet and I needed to tiptoe to look imside, with my nose over thje top but not my jaw. They are moved habdled by forklift. Name derived from Gaylord, MI and I've seen a stamp on a box with the cardboard maker in Gaylord.

A tray is what I have seen shown in many TV clips, on shows and news, white and lab eled property of U NITED STATES POSTAL SERVICE. They hold 2 feet of mail. the smaller version is 1x1 foot and are called half trays.
A tray holds up to 750 mail pieces, and for thick mail like which need 2-3 stamps for business envelopes as little as 300 pieces. to conjure 2 feet of mail, lay an envelope flat on a surface, then stack envelopes on top until 24" high - then kneel on the stack a little and make it 24" again.

If outside a processing facility, they are required to be sleeved (wrapped) and banded. A Gaylord can easily hold 6 trays per layer, or up to 4,500 pieces. With 12 layers or more this is 72 trays, or about 54,000 peices per Gaylord. The 24 Gaylords men tioned would be easily 1,296,000 ballots on this truck which crossed state lines from NY, NJ, to PA.




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Wednesday, December 2, 2020 9:25 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


I mentioned that in one of the other threads.

Gaylords full of mail-shopped ballots.

I worked in direct mail. Post Offices don't bulk mail things like votes for elections unless something is up.

Freakin hilarious. Color by number stuff here.

What have you done today to earn your place in this crowded world? :)

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Thursday, December 3, 2020 3:21 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
How many heard the whistleblower testimony yesterday? I heard it mostly live on Sean Hannity radio shpw, but all links had been scrubbed on search engines yesterday.


https://clarion.causeaction.com/2020/12/01/whistleblower-i-drove-thous
ands-of-ballots-from-new-york-to-pennsylvania
/

https://gellerreport.com/2020/12/watch-live-usps-whistleblowers-come-f
orward-driver-delivered-hundreds-of-thousands-of-completed-ballots-across-three-state-lines.html
/


In addition to a semiload of ballots truicked from Bethpage NY to Lancaster PA and WI trucker forced to truck backdated ballots, there was a woman whose name sounded like Karen Kortin seeing a dump of "military" ballots whjichj ALL had a birthdate of 1 January 1900, and eager vote counters refused to allow her to challenge their validity.

There was also some testimony before MI Legislature.

Some of the terms used may not be familiar to everybody.

A Gaylord is a large box on a plastic Postal pallet, 40"x48" and about 6 feet tall. I am 5'11" with size 13 feet and I needed to tiptoe to look imside, with my nose over thje top but not my jaw. They are moved habdled by forklift. Name derived from Gaylord, MI and I've seen a stamp on a box with the cardboard maker in Gaylord.

A tray is what I have seen shown in many TV clips, on shows and news, white and lab eled property of U NITED STATES POSTAL SERVICE. They hold 2 feet of mail. the smaller version is 1x1 foot and are called half trays.
A tray holds up to 750 mail pieces, and for thick mail like which need 2-3 stamps for business envelopes as little as 300 pieces. to conjure 2 feet of mail, lay an envelope flat on a surface, then stack envelopes on top until 24" high - then kneel on the stack a little and make it 24" again.

If outside a processing facility, they are required to be sleeved (wrapped) and banded. A Gaylord can easily hold 6 trays per layer, or up to 4,500 pieces. With 12 layers or more this is 72 trays, or about 54,000 peices per Gaylord. The 24 Gaylords men tioned would be easily 1,296,000 ballots on this truck which crossed state lines from NY, NJ, to PA.

From the guy in WI: I think UMS is United Mailing Services in Brookfield, which is a suburb of Milwaukee, a bit wealthier than Milwaukee.

His account does answer some nagging questions I had. He recounts having to deliver 100,000 ballots on 4 or 5 Novemebr, after they needed to be backdated to 3 November.
I had wondered how they faked the physical ballots, after electronically shifting them on Election Night in Milwuakee. Any recount would still need physical ballots to count during a recount.
So of course they already had the voting machines list for them how many ballots for each ward they needed to fake to approximately match the total that were faked via computer re-programming. Seems this was done the next day or the day after.
Milwaukee is, in fact, one of 2 locations in WI that can perform cancellations. The other being Green Bay.

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Thursday, December 3, 2020 3:26 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Maybe some of you remember back to 2000 and Florida's 'hanging chad' Supreme Court intervention.

Later, a consortium of 8 newspapers did a study to examine the ballots, and found that if all the ballots had been recounted instead of a limited selection, Gore would probably have won, though narrowly. https://www.factcheck.org/2008/01/the-florida-recount-of-2000/
For the same election, a joint MIT/ CalTech study "found that 4 million to 6 million votes of the 100 million cast last November were not counted" and that "one of the two best solutions was low-tech, the hand-counted paper ballot. Just as reliable, the report said, are the optical-scan machines that count ballots at the precinct level and give voters a second chance if they make a mistake." https://www.nytimes.com/2001/07/17/us/study-says-2000-election-missed-
millions-of-votes.html

Another examination of the Florida vote laid the blame on incompetent or biased administration. https://rangevoting.org/mebane.pop2004.pdf

And what happened to fix any of the problems? (crickets)

In 2004 the skew between exit polling and vote numbers was so anomalous that it begged serious study.

At the time the Edison/ Mitofsky co-venture was commissioned by the National Election Pool (CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN, Fox News, and the Associated Press) to run exit polling and to "restore confidence in the whole election projection game". https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2004/11/exit-zone.html Instead, "national poll results projected a Kerry victory by 3.0%, whereas the official count had Bush winning by 2.5%." https://www.electionmathematics.org/em-exitpolls/Exit_Polls_2004_Ediso
n-Mitofsky.pdf


Edison/ Mitofsky did some footshuffling and debunked their own exit polls. https://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/05/politics/campaign/report-says-probl
ems-led-to-skewed-surveying-data.html

But USCountVotes, formed to examine the 2004 vote, commissioned a group of highly respected statisticians to examine the Edison/ Mitofsky explanation.
They asked themselves this: "The crucial question is whether these problems were part of a larger pattern. Were these issues collectively of sufficient magnitude to reverse the outcome of the election, or were they isolated incidents, procedurally disturbing but of little overall consequence? Under such circumstances we must rely on indirect evidence, such as exit polls, to ascertain the overall integrity of the official election results. The 2004 exit poll was conducted by Edison Media Research and Mitofsky International ... (and) raised a red flag because they showed that Kerry had won the popular vote by a margin of 3%, while the official tally indicated a Bush victory by 2.5%." And they noted that "The report shows differences in within-precinct-error for different types of voting equipment. Precincts with paper ballots in rural precincts showed a median WPE of –0.9, consistent with chance, while all other technologies were associated with unexplained high WPE ..." Up to 10.3pct in fact. They found that the discrepancies were so widespread across so many states, so extreme in terms of numbers of votes, AND SO ONE-SIDED, that random chance could not have caused the discrepancies. They concluded: "The fact (was) that, in the 2004 election, all voting equipment technologies except paper ballots were associated with large unexplained exit poll discrepancies all favoring the same party ..."
And most importantly, they noted "Several methods have been used to estimate the probability that the national exit poll results would be as different as they were from the national popular vote by random chance. These estimates range from 1 in 16.5 million to 1 in 1,2403. No matter how one calculates it, the discrepancy cannot be attributed to chance."
The message to me is this: this wasn't random fate. It was done deliberately.
http://www.electionmathematics.org/em-exitpolls/USCountVotes_Re_Mitofs
ky-Edison.pdf

https://www.electionmathematics.org/em-exitpolls/Exit_Polls_2004_Ediso
n-Mitofsky.pdf


And what happened to fix any of the problems? (crickets)

And since then we've been treated with endless un-evidenced claims like 'Russia rigged the election' while all of the previous real and unaddressed problems are hidden behind a wall of manufactured hype and hysteria ...

And now we have the 2020 election, with so many statistical anomalies going unaddressed.

There's plenty going wrong with US elections. As Signy noted elsewhere, it's everything from "gerrymandering, and moving on to voter roll manipulation, electronic voting, and vote counting.". But we COULD at least fix the voting process, with, also as Signy has noted elsewhere "paper ballots, hand-counted, in public" and a requirement for "voter ID" ... (I'd add a finger dipped in indelible ink.)

I'd bet Biden* (Biden* means the people behind the face, a Signy original) will just take the results and run, without bothering to look into the process. No democrat in government will. And no republican in government will either.



And if democrats don't do any different, how are they any better?

(I'd add a finger dipped in indelible ink.)

How does this work for the most fraudulent form of Election Theft - the Mail In Ballot, as demanded by Karens of America?
I would accept a slice of fintertip to be mailed in with each mail-in Ballot.



"found that 4 million to 6 million votes of the 100 million cast last November were not counted"
Hate to break the news, but 6 million uncounted votes in Election Fraud central locations like CA, NY, IL, NJ, MA, VA, MN are inconsequential. It doesn't matter if there were another 10 million votes counted in those locations, Democrap Election Fraudsters wold have fabricated enough ballots for their side to take the Election anyhow.

I recently took a series of tests at the DMV, and every single time I came in, they took a picture of me to keep on file for who actually took the test - apparently there had been rampant cheating in the past.
So why could this not be done for voting? The person voting gets their picture taken, for later confirmation or prosecution. Of course this would not be allowed in Libtard areas, otherwise the same person voting a thousand times would be noticed.

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Thursday, December 3, 2020 8:40 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I mentioned that in one of the other threads.

Gaylords full of mail-shopped ballots.

I worked in direct mail. Post Offices don't bulk mail things like votes for elections unless something is up.

Freakin hilarious. Color by number stuff here.

What have you done today to earn your place in this crowded world? :)

Not sure if you missed the point; 24 Gaylords of ballots were trucked from Bethpage NY, on Long Island, thru NYC, thru NJ, into PA.
Why are a million ballots to be counted in PA coming from NYC?

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