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Election fallout

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Sunday, November 8, 2020 11:04 AM

WHOZIT


So we've gone from Russia helped steal the election in 2016, but we're just going to have accept these results? And they wonder why Trump and his supporters are sore losers? I'm never getting over this, never. Millions of people will never accept Biden as legit, telling Trump supporters to just get over it will make them more angry. There's no way this nation can heal now, the split just got worse.

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Sunday, November 8, 2020 11:30 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


The power of a lame-duck US president is substantial, particularly when it isn’t checked by concerns about repercussions or legacy. It remains to be seen how graceful an exit Donald Trump chooses to make, but he’ll have ample opportunity to create a mess on his way out should he so desire.

Perhaps the most notorious abuse of the lame-duck presidency occurred in the 1930s, after Herbert Hoover lost to Franklin Roosevelt. Hoover was a Republican who bitterly opposed Roosevelt’s interventionist approach to rescuing the economy from the Great Depression. Hoover prevented legislation that would alleviate suffering, such as a farm relief bill, and refused to intervene during a wave of bank failures unless President-Elect FDR repudiated the New Deal policies which got him elected (FDR refused).

What can Trump do?

Unlike Hoover, Trump will only have about two-and-a-half months remaining in office, but that’s plenty of time. In June, a group of more than 100 current and past campaign and elected officials from both parties convened to try and game out all the ways the presidential transition could go wrong. Called the Transition Integrity Project (TIP), it focused on both potential efforts by Trump to contest or discredit the election results if he lost, as well as the disruption he could cause during his lame duck period.

The TIP was particularly concerned about the ability of Trump and his family using their final weeks to enrich themselves. “Participants in our exercises of all backgrounds and ideologies believed that Trump would prioritize personal gain and self-protection over ensuring an orderly administrative handoff to his successor,” their report says (pdf).
https://paxsims.files.wordpress.com/2020/08/preventing-a-disrupted-pre
sidential-election-and-transition-8-3-20.pdf


Records

The TIP speculates the outgoing Trump administration may destroy records that might embarrass or implicate the White House or its foreign allies in wrongdoing.

More at https://news.yahoo.com/destructive-power-lame-duck-president-170232099
.html


The greatest constraint on Trump's behavior over the past four years was the knowledge that he would need to run for reelection. Now that burden is lifted. Trump is freer to act without fear of political consequences than at any other point in his tenure. The consequences from that flexibility — or perhaps impunity — could be profound.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Sunday, November 8, 2020 12:14 PM

REAVERFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by whozit:
So we've gone from Russia helped steal the election in 2016, but we're just going to have accept these results? And they wonder why Trump and his supporters are sore losers? I'm never getting over this, never. Millions of people will never accept Biden as legit, telling Trump supporters to just get over it will make them more angry. There's no way this nation can heal now, the split just got worse.

You're a Russian troll. No one cares what you have to say.



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Sunday, November 8, 2020 12:14 PM

REAVERFAN


Delightful trumptard cringe collection, complete with real Nazis!





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Sunday, November 8, 2020 12:25 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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1KIKI - I'll file that with "golden showers" and all the other made up "stuff" you flog here.

CC - How do you know that was made up? Do you have any evidence it didn’t happen?

"Trump Plans to Barricade Himself in the Oval Office and Refuse to Come Out If Biden Wins" Do you have any evidence this did happen?

Until somebody comes up with EVIDENCE - a concept you all seem to think means 'gossip' or 'I read it somewhere', which it doesn't - I'll file it with 'golden showers' and all the other ridiculous, evidence-free claims you lapped up so eagerly.

BTW - if you look at my COVID thread, you'll find nothing BUT evidence, except where I state a personal opinion, which I clearly identify as such.

I look for evidence at every turn. Do you?




CAPTNMUSH never believed or disbelieved the pee story - who knows and who the fck cares.

And yet, you called us "Russian trolls" over and over again without the slightest shred of evidence. In fact, there is (or,was) a function that allows one to find which server a poster connects to the internet thru, and I was "revealed" to connect thru a server in ... guess where? LOS ANGELES! GEE, BIG SURPRISE!

And there is direct evidence... testimony under oath by Crowdstrike officials that there was NO EVIDENCE that Russia hacked the DNC servers, handwritten notes of high WH-level meetings about persecuting Trump; texts, emails, and videos about collusion to oust Trump.

Was it you that posted
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If I didn't work on the internet, I wouldn't even be here?
I've always thought you were an internet apparatchik. AND NO RESPECTOR OF EVIDENCE OR TRUTH. No wonder that you posted a completely evidence-free story!

It must have been hard, trying to push Biden over the finish line with assholes liked REAVERBOT on your "side"

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Sunday, November 8, 2020 12:28 PM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

... stay crunchy...


Quote:

Originally posted by whozit:
So we've gone from Russia helped steal the election in 2016, but we're just going to have accept these results? And they wonder why Trump and his supporters are sore losers? I'm never getting over this, never. Millions of people will never accept Biden as legit, telling Trump supporters to just get over it will make them more angry. There's no way this nation can heal now, the split just got worse.



There's no telling how much Russia influenced this election. +5% for Trump? Might even explain Trump's being an even bigger whiner than usual. "They said they had my back again! And after everything I did for them!"

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Sunday, November 8, 2020 12:39 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM quoting 1kiki:

"Trump Plans to Barricade Himself in the Oval Office and Refuse to Come Out If Biden Wins" Do you have any evidence this did happen?

Until somebody comes up with EVIDENCE - a concept you all seem to think means 'gossip' or 'I read it somewhere', which it doesn't - I'll file it with 'golden showers' and all the other ridiculous, evidence-free claims you lapped up so eagerly.

If your idea of evidence is a barricade inside the Oval office with Trump on one side of the door and Biden on the other, trying to force the door open, it is not yet time because Biden is NOT at the door. But Trump called "these people", which means Biden, a thief. Trump will build that barricade when the thief comes to steal the Oval Office or else Trump was insane when he tweeted today:

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
“We believe these people are thieves. The big city machines are corrupt. This was a stolen election. Best pollster in Britain wrote this morning that this clearly was a stolen election, that it’s impossible to imagine that Biden outran Obama in some of these states.
....Where it mattered, they stole what they had to steal. @newtgingrich
8:17 AM · Nov 8, 2020·Twitter for iPhone

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1325442345396039680

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Sunday, November 8, 2020 1:55 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
The power of a lame-duck US president is substantial, particularly when it isn’t checked by concerns about repercussions or legacy. It remains to be seen how graceful an exit Donald Trump OBAMA chose to make, but he had ample opportunity to create a mess on his way out should he so desire.

Perhaps the most notorious abuse of the lame-duck presidency occurred in the 2016, after Herbert Hoover Hillary Clinton lost to Franklin Trump.

What can Trump did Obama do?

Well, he held a high-level meeting to to prosecute a RUSSIACOLLUSION! campaign, targeting Flynn with the Logan Act, and allowing widespread "unmasking" of those currently under (illegal, as it turns out) surveillance.



Fixed it for you.

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Sunday, November 8, 2020 1:59 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

whozit:
So we've gone from Russia helped steal the election in 2016, but we're just going to have accept these results? And they wonder why Trump and his supporters are sore losers? I'm never getting over this, never. Millions of people will never accept Biden as legit, telling Trump supporters to just get over it will make them more angry. There's no way this nation can heal now, the split just got worse.

CAPTN: There's no telling how much Russia influenced this election.

Truer words were never spoke. But, please, do fill in a completely bogus number for us. It's your job, and what you do best.



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Sunday, November 8, 2020 4:35 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

Originally posted by second:
The power of a lame-duck US president is substantial, particularly when it isn’t checked by concerns about repercussions or legacy. It remains to be seen how graceful an exit Donald Trump OBAMA chose to make, but he had ample opportunity to create a mess on his way out should he so desire.

Perhaps the most notorious abuse of the lame-duck presidency occurred in the 2016, after Herbert Hoover Hillary Clinton lost to Franklin Trump.

What can Trump did Obama do?

Well, he held a high-level meeting to to prosecute a RUSSIACOLLUSION! campaign, targeting Flynn with the Logan Act, and allowing widespread "unmasking" of those currently under (illegal, as it turns out) surveillance.



Fixed it for you.

Is Signym correct? No.
‘Unmasking’ probe ordered by Barr finds no wrongdoing by Obama officials
www.marketwatch.com/story/unmasking-probe-ordered-by-barr-finds-no-wro
ngdoing-by-obama-officials-report-11602644494


President Donald Trump and other Republicans have, for months, claimed that the unmaskings proved a conspiracy and were a major scandal, but Texas U.S. Attorney John Bash will not bring any criminal charges in the matter, the Post said.

Signym, there is foundation of wrongness about you and your rewriting of history.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Sunday, November 8, 2020 4:42 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:

RF - He plans to hide in his bunker, like another well-known fascist did.

I hand your ass to you EVERY TIME. EVERY time. Every. Single. Time.

Oh! Let me put this in the PREDICTIONS thread so we all can enjoy you being wrong - again!

Here ya' go! http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=51008&p=17


RF is an idiot. It's that simple.

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Sunday, November 8, 2020 4:51 PM

REAVERFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Quote:

RF - He plans to hide in his bunker, like another well-known fascist did.

I hand your ass to you EVERY TIME. EVERY time. Every. Single. Time.

Oh! Let me put this in the PREDICTIONS thread so we all can enjoy you being wrong - again!

Here ya' go! http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=51008&p=17


RF is an idiot. It's that simple.

Still mad I kicked your ass again? You always will be. That's a prediction backed up with a 100% success record on my part.

You got owned, Russian troll. That's what I do to you here.



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Sunday, November 8, 2020 5:01 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


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1KIKI - I'll file that with "golden showers" and all the other made up "stuff" you flog here.
Quote:

CC - How do you know that was made up? Do you have any evidence it didn’t happen?
Quote:

1KIKI - "Trump Plans to Barricade Himself in the Oval Office and Refuse to Come Out If Biden Wins" Do you have any evidence this did happen?
Until somebody comes up with EVIDENCE - a concept you all seem to think means 'gossip' or 'I read it somewhere', which it doesn't - I'll file it with 'golden showers' and all the other ridiculous, evidence-free claims you lapped up so eagerly.
BTW - if you look at my COVID thread, you'll find nothing BUT evidence, except where I state a personal opinion, which I clearly identify as such.
I look for evidence at every turn. Do you?

Quote:

captaincrunch -
I never believed or disbelieved the pee story - who knows and who the fck cares. I did think it possible given the outsized greed and appetites of Trump. Have you seen pictures of his Manhattan condo? Gold everywhere. Gold on top of gold. When someone has that kind of gaudy, excessive "taste" how do they keep finding the next fix, the next dopamine high? Extravagance in all things, crossing socially unacceptable boundaries to wallow in the power they have.
Use a thing we call "common sense."
And what would even be evidence you would accept?
- Video? "Fake!"
- Eye witnesses? Do you think anyone would attach their name to those claims? That would be a Vlad death sentence.
- His own words, maybe? "I need you to do me a favor, though..." Nope, not enough.
There's no such thing as evidence you would accept (shhhh... and we all know it).

So, you never believed Russia collusion? You never believed he passed intelligence on to Putin. You never believed he took money from foreign people? Etc.
As for 'evidence' - it sure seems like you have no good evidence for the claim he would "barricade himself in the Oval Office and refuse to come out". In fact, you have no evidence at all, and you're fine with that.

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Sunday, November 8, 2020 5:05 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Because Trump Plans to Barricade Himself in the Oval Office and Refuse to Come Out If Biden Wins = Trump won't concede ?

Really? What language do you speak again, SECOND?

RF is an idiot. It's that simple.

Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Do you remember Trump calling climate change a hoax? Actually, he has said it about 1,000 times. Denying that he lost the election and denying that there is climate change. Everything is a hoax with Trump, even Covid-19. Behind the scenes, Trump has governed as if climate change is a hoax. Rules have been changed. Methane and CO2 are increasing. Behind the scenes, Trump has governed as if losing the election is a hoax. Behind the scenes, Trump has governed as if Covid-19 is a hoax. On Monday morning, his lawyers will be in courtrooms everywhere denying that Trump lost. Trump is not making preparations to leave power, no more than he is preparing for climate change, no more than he has a plan to fight Covid-19.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

So you're on-board with Trump Plans to Barricade Himself in the Oval Office and Refuse to Come Out If Biden Wins. Duly noted. Also posted to the predictions thread.

Here ya' go http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=51008&p=17

RF is an idiot. It's that simple.

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Sunday, November 8, 2020 5:15 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
If your idea of evidence is a barricade inside the Oval office with Trump on one side of the door and Biden on the other, trying to force the door open, it is not yet time because Biden is NOT at the door.



I also posted this to the Predictions thread!


Here ya go! http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=51008&p=17

RF is an idiot. It's that simple.

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Sunday, November 8, 2020 5:19 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


CC, SECOND, RF, WISHI ... Man, talk about a bunch of sore winners !!!

RF is an idiot. It's that simple.

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Sunday, November 8, 2020 5:32 PM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


"Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you."

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"Objective truths are established by evidence. Personal truths by faith. Political truths by incessant repetition."

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you."

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Sunday, November 8, 2020 6:26 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:
CC, SECOND, RF, WISHI ... Man, talk about a bunch of sore winners !!!

The GOP says Biden stole the election.

Republican Brian Babin wrote in an email to me:
I’m humbled – thank you all for your outpouring of support on Tuesday. It’s truly an honor to represent the fine citizens of TX-36 in the U.S. Congress for another term.

The media’s projected winner is NOT the official winner. The fight isn’t over. My trust is with President Trump and his legal team to leave no stone unturned. I trust in God, but I don’t trust the Democrats.

We must ensure every LEGAL vote was counted – FAIRLY!
Americans Deserve an Honest Election
There’s a BIG DIFFERENCE in every vote counting vs. ensuring every LEGAL vote is counted. The American people deserve transparency. The American people deserve a fair election.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Sunday, November 8, 2020 6:28 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Whatever. You're stuck with supporting "Trump Plans to Barricade Himself in the Oval Office and Refuse to Come Out If Biden Wins.".

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Sunday, November 8, 2020 6:35 PM

REAVERFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by kpo:
"Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you."

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"Objective truths are established by evidence. Personal truths by faith. Political truths by incessant repetition."

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you."

In this forum, we always own you Russian trolls.

You might want to ditch all the fake news. That could help.



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Sunday, November 8, 2020 6:36 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Whatever. You're stuck with supporting "Trump Plans to Barricade Himself in the Oval Office and Refuse to Come Out If Biden Wins.".

"Whatever" does not describe all the things Trump refuses to do. Trump will continue his laissez-faire approach to the pandemic. He won't spend an estimated $9 billion allocated for Covid-19 testing despite the urging of public health figures like Anthony Fauci and Deborah Birx. Trump’s disinterest in confronting the pandemic only seemed to grow after he was hospitalized with the virus in October, when he repeatedly told supporters on the campaign trail that the nation was “rounding the corner” and asserted that a vaccine would be imminent. As the nation braces for a dark winter, that disinterest could be one of the virus’s greatest allies. MAGA, 1kiki!

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, November 9, 2020 8:04 AM

REAVERFAN




They're going to start shooting people. Be careful.



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Monday, November 9, 2020 9:09 AM

REAVERFAN




Read it in David Attenborough's voice.

Trump's filed 10 suits, now. All were thrown out.



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Monday, November 9, 2020 11:55 AM

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Monday, November 9, 2020 2:22 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Trump Refuses to Authorize Biden Transition Planning

A Trump administration appointee is refusing to sign a letter allowing President-elect Joe Biden’s transition team to formally begin its work this week, in another sign the incumbent president has not acknowledged Biden’s victory and could disrupt the transfer of power.

….But by Sunday evening, almost 36 hours after media outlets projected Biden as the winner, GSA Administrator Emily Murphy had written no such letter. And the Trump administration, in keeping with the president’s failure to concede the election, has no immediate plans to sign one.

….The delay has implications both practical and symbolic. By declaring the “apparent winner” of a presidential election, the GSA administrator releases computer systems and money for salaries and administrative support for the mammoth undertaking of setting up a new government — $9.9 million this year.

Transition officials get government email addresses. They get office space at every federal agency. They can begin to work with the Office of Government Ethics to process financial disclosure and conflict-of-interest forms for their nominees. And they get access to senior officials, both political appointees of the outgoing administration and career civil servants, who relay an agency’s ongoing priorities and projects, upcoming deadlines, problem areas and risks. The federal government is a $4.5 trillion operation, and while the Biden team is not new to government, the access is critical, experts said. This is all on hold for now.

https://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2020/11/trump-refuses-to-author
ize-biden-transition-planning
/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, November 9, 2020 2:56 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Obiden has rushed to form a Covid Task Force yesterday, so he can take credit for the Covid vaccines that Trump accoplished.



I heard that Obiden has offerred the HHS Sec job to Mitt Romney, so even more RomneyCare can be forced upon America. If accepted, the Senate will be short and Obiden can push through whatever bills he wants, before a special electin can be scheduled.

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Monday, November 9, 2020 3:10 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Obiden has rushed to form a Covid Task Force yesterday, so he can take credit for the Covid vaccines that Trump accomplished.

Trump accomplished nothing: Pence breaks silence to take credit for Pfizer vaccine - and Pfizer immediately denies Trump involved

Pfizer has clarified that the US government was not involved in their development of a Covid-19 vaccine
www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election-2020/mike-pence-
covid-vaacine-pfizer-b1719698.html


Dr Kathrin Jansen, Pfizer’s head of vaccine development, told the New York Times: “We were never part of the Warp Speed ... We have never taken any money from the US government, or from anyone.”

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, November 10, 2020 1:48 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


BACK TO THE TOPIC AT HAND

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One clear outcome of the U.S. election was the collapse of the promised ‘Blue Wave’ – an implosion that marks the ‘beginning of the end’ to a powerful spell enthralling the West. It was the delusion which Ron Chernow, the acclaimed U.S. presidential historian, gave credence, as he contemptuously dismissed America’s “topsy-turvy moment” as purely ephemeral, and a “surreal interlude in American life”: No longer can it be said that there is one ‘normal’. Win or lose the White House, Red Trumpism remains as ‘President’ for half America.

Biden, by contrast, served as the prospect for Restoration – a return to a hallowed consensus in American politics – to a reassuring ‘sanity’ of facts, science and truth. Biden, it was hoped, would be the agency over-lording a crushing electoral landslide that would terminate irrevocably Trump’s rude interruption of the ‘normal’. Biden supporters were rallied, Mike Lind, the American academic and author has observed, around the idea of America moving toward a ‘managed’ society – based on ‘science’ – that would be essentially finessed and controlled by a managerial, expert class.

Over time, Lind suggests, American society would begin to depart more, and more easily, from its republican roots, through a process already underway: via attempts to alter the Constitutional order, and other rules, to bring about a change in the way America is governed.

The notion however, of what America – as Idea – now constitutes, has fractured into two tectonic plates, moving apart in very different directions – and likely to move even further apart as each ‘plate’ remains convinced that ‘it won’ – and the sweetness of victory has been stolen.

And it's not as if populism is a "siginificant minority" (eg 30%); this very close to a 50:50 spilt. But Biden will try to buy off the "deplorable" 50% with some sort of minor payoff, is my guess.

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The fracturing of the ‘One Normal’, by contrast, provides some kind of respite to much of the globe.

The fact remains that the election has produced a result in which it is abundantly clear that one half of the American electorate precisely voted to oust the other half. It is gridlock – with the Supreme Court and Senate in the hands of one party, and the House of Representatives and White House (possibly) in the hands of the other. As Glenn Greenwald warns:

No matter what the final result, there will be substantial doubts about its legitimacy by one side or the other, perhaps both. And no deranged conspiracy thinking is required for that. An electoral system suffused with this much chaos, error, protracted outcomes and seemingly inexplicable reversals will sow doubt and distrust even among the most rational citizens.

Though the maths and maps suggests Biden will likely reach 270 Electoral votes, the old saying ‘It ain’t over ’till it’s over’, holds true. The electoral vote scenarios in the key ‘swing states’ would only apply if there is no litigation, fraud or theft. However all three are in play – If you are stuffing the ballot box, you first wait to see what the regular vote is, so that you know how many votes you ‘need’ (mathematical anomalies aside) to push your candidate over the top. Trump, somewhat rashly, gave out the GOP vote calculations at 02.30 on Wednesday, and hey-presto, loads of absentee ballots suddenly arrived at certain polling stations at around 04.00. That seems to have happened in Wisconsin, where over 100,000 Biden votes appeared seemingly out of nowhere on a flash drive delivered by hand from a Democratic district. That put Biden ahead in Wisconsin – but litigation is in process. Likewise, it appears that a huge “absentee ballot” dump appeared in Michigan that heavily favored Biden.

A FLASH DRIVE? SERIOUSLY???

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This is just the beginning of a new and more uncertain phase that could go on for weeks. It may be that ultimately Congress will have to certify and make the final determination in late January. Meanwhile, there are some things we know with much higher certainty: The Republican majority in the Senate may hold until the 2024 election. So, even if Biden wins, his agenda will not hold through 2024.

A President may emerge, but it will not be, as it were, a settled one: He or she cannot make claim to the ‘will of the majority’. Whomsoever is certified by Congress cannot truthfully say they represent ‘the nation’. Consensus is fractured, and it is difficult to see any leadership that can bring Americans together as a ‘united people’.

“There is not a single important cultural, religious, political or social force that is pulling Americans together more than it is pushing us apart,” David French notes in a new book Divided We Fall: America’s Secession Threat and How to Restore Our Nation.

And when I ask, over and over again, what are AMERICA's interests, the answer I get is ...*crickets*. It' as if people ... mainly Dems... not only can't answer the question, the notion of "America" as a unified nation with common interests is so foreign that they can't even create that category in which to fills some answers. "Americans" don't count unless they're "African" Americans or Women Americans or Hispanic Americans or some identitarian sub-category.

"America? Americans? What's that?"

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French — an anti-Trump conservative — argues that America’s divisions are so great, and the political system so poorly designed to handle them, that secession may eventually be the result: “If we keep pushing people and pushing people and pushing people, you cannot assume that they won’t break”, he writes. (A 2018 poll found that nearly a quarter of each party – Democrat and Republican – characterized the opposing party as “evil”).

An ideological split, and the concomitantly contested America as Idea has huge geo-political implications, reaching well beyond America itself – and principally for Europe’s élites. European leaders did not see it coming when Trump was elected in 2016. They misjudged Brexit. And this year, they misread U.S. politics once again. They yearned for a Biden win, and they (still) fail to see the connection between the popular rebellion of Red under Mr. Trump, and the angry protests occurring across Europe against lockdown.

Separating tectonic plates – more strategically – usually signal a kind of dualism that betokens civil conflict. In other words, their separation and moving apart turns into an ideological struggle for the nature of society and its institutional fabric.

Historian, and former War College Professor, Mike Vlahos warns (echoing Lind), that, “there is, here: more of a hidden – and thus in a sense, occult struggle – by which over time, societies begin to depart more, and more easily, from their roots. The western dominant élites presently are seeking to cement their hold over society [moving towards a ‘managed’ society]: To have full control over the direction of society, and, of course, a framework of rule that protects their wealth."

“Quite to the surprise of everyone, and given that the Republicans are being represented by a billionaire who has a great many friends in Manhattan – the Wall Street donors to the two campaigns, outnumber Trump’s donors for Biden by 5-to-1”.

So much for Dems representing the average American! Given that politicians are driven by money, what do those donations say abut Biden's* policy direction?

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Why, Vlahos asks, would Wall Street invest in a man – Biden – and in a Party, ostensibly seeking to move America toward this ‘managed’ progressive society? Is it because they are convinced of a need radically to restructure the world’s economy and geopolitical relations? Is this then Vlahos’ occult struggle?

Many of the élite hold that we are at that monumental inflection point at this moment – In a nutshell, their narrative is simply this: the planet is already economically and demographically over-extended; the infinite economic expansion model is bust; and the global debt and government entitlement expenditure bubble too, is set to pop at the same moment.

A ‘fourth industrial revolution’ is the only way by which to ‘square this circle’, according to this mindset. The Reset is purposefully aimed to disrupt all areas of life, albeit on a planetary scale. Shock therapy, as it were, to change the way we humans think of ourselves, and our relationship with the world. The Great Reset looks to a supply-side ‘miracle’, achieved through full-spectrum automation and robotics. A world where the money is digital; the food is lab-grown; where everything is counted and controlled by giant monopolies; and everyday existence is micromanaged by ever-monitoring, ever-nudging AI that registers thoughts and feelings before the people even get a chance to make those thoughts.

Mike Vlahos notes that in a curious way this American story mirrors that of ancient Rome in the last century of the Republic – with on the one hand, the élite Roman class, and on the other, the Populares, as Red Americans’ equivalent:

“This is in fact the dual story of Rome in the last century of the Republic, and it tracks very well — with the transformation going on today [in the U.S.] — and it is a transformation … The society which emerged at the end of the Roman Revolution, and civil war … had too, a totally dominant élite class.

“This was a new world, in which the great landowners, with their latifundia [the slave-land source of wealth], who had been the ‘Big Men’ leading the various factions in the civil wars, became the senatorial archons that dominated Roman life for the next five centuries — while the People, the Populares, were ground into a passive — not helpless — but generally dependent and non-participating element of Roman governance: This sapped away at the creative life of Rome, and eventually led to its coming apart.

“… today American inequality is as great as in the period right before the French Revolution, and is mirrored in what was happening to Rome in that long century of transformation. The problem we have right now, and which is going to make this revolution more intense, is I think, the cynical conclusion and agenda of Blue to just leave behind the Americans they do not need [in the New Economy] – which is to say all of Red America, and to put them into a situation of hardship and marginalization, where they cannot coalesce, to form a rival — as it were — Popular Front.

“What I think what we are seeing here [in the U.S.] is profound: American society – emerging from this passage, is going to be completely different. And frankly, it already feels different. It already feels – as it has felt for the past four years – that we are in a rolling civil war norm now, in which deep societal strife is now the normal way in which we handle transfers of power. Issues will be [momentarily] resolved, with the path of society [painfully] staked out through violent conflict. That is likely to be our path for decades ahead.

“The problem with that in the shorter term, is that there is still enough of the nation aroused and ready to fight this process. The problem: Can the last energies of the Old Republic still be harnessed against this seemingly inevitable, transformation?”


https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2020/11/07/gridlock-biden-may-o
r-may-not-win-but-trump-remains-president-red-america
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Tuesday, November 10, 2020 2:15 PM

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Nonetheless, and despite the huge odds against success, I believe that it's more important now than ever that Americans of all political stripes come together to represent their interests, and find common ground on which to move foreward.

After all, we all want the same things: A safe place to live; meaningful work; agency over our individual and collective futures; support in illness, extreme youth and old age; justice under the law; and protection from tyranny (economic or political).

What that means, exactly, and how we get there is where we differ. But I believe there is a "union set" ... area where we overlap... and we can find those areas by honest and rational discussion.

It's going to be hard work. Are you up for it?

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Tuesday, November 10, 2020 10:39 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Nonetheless, and despite the huge odds against success, I believe that it's more important now than ever that Americans of all political stripes come together to represent their interests, and find common ground on which to move foreward.

After all, we all want the same things: A safe place to live; meaningful work; agency over our individual and collective futures; support in illness, extreme youth and old age; justice under the law; and protection from tyranny (economic or political).

What that means, exactly, and how we get there is where we differ. But I believe there is a "union set" ... area where we overlap... and we can find those areas by honest and rational discussion.

It's going to be hard work. Are you up for it?

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Russian trolls gonna troll.

I do appreciate that you know Biden won. So, STFU.



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Tuesday, November 10, 2020 10:41 PM

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Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


I keep waiting for SECOND/ RF to post something with a least 1 toe in reality.

It sure looks like today was not the day.

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Tuesday, November 10, 2020 11:10 PM

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Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



Wouldn't it be funny if Bernie doesn't get a Cabinet position?

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Wednesday, November 11, 2020 7:42 AM

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I keep waiting for SECOND/ RF to post something with a least 1 toe in reality.

It sure looks like today was not the day.

I just did. Again.



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Wednesday, November 11, 2020 7:13 PM

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https://dailyangle.com/articles/biden-promised-not-to-declare-victory-
until-election-certified


https://www.lucianne.com/2020/11/11/joe_biden_in_september_i_will_not_
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Moderator Chris Wallace posed the question to the former vice president during the Sept. 28 debate in Cleveland.

"Will you urge your supporters to stay calm while the vote is counted, and will you pledge not to declare victory until the election is independently certified?" Wallace asked.

"Yes," Biden replied.

The former vice president elaborated.

"And here's the deal, we'll count the ballots. As you pointed out, some of these ballots in some states can't even be opened until Election Day, and if there's thousands of ballots, it's going to take time to do it," Biden said.


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Wednesday, November 11, 2020 7:48 PM

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Originally posted by reaverfan:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Nonetheless, and despite the huge odds against success, I believe that it's more important now than ever that Americans of all political stripes come together to represent their interests, and find common ground on which to move foreward.

After all, we all want the same things: A safe place to live; meaningful work; agency over our individual and collective futures; support in illness, extreme youth and old age; justice under the law; and protection from tyranny (economic or political).

What that means, exactly, and how we get there is where we differ. But I believe there is a "union set" ... area where we overlap... and we can find those areas by honest and rational discussion.

It's going to be hard work. Are you up for it?

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Russian trolls gonna troll.

I do appreciate that you know Biden won. So, STFU.



Er... reading not your skill?

Did I post ANYWHERE that Biden won?

What I posted goes for WHOEVER wins. We have GOT to get past this my team/your team, my color/your color divisiveness which is meaningless in the extreme, and is only tossed in front of us like so much confetti to distract us from the real issues.

It's been what I've been posting ever since whenever. I have reached out a hand to people of all political stripes for intelligent and issues-focused conversation, only to be called a "Russian troll" by you, who can't hold discussion if a gun was held to your head.

So STFU indeed.



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Wednesday, November 11, 2020 9:24 PM

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Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


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1KIKI - I keep waiting for SECOND/ RF to post something with a least 1 toe in reality.
It sure looks like today was not the day.

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Cartoonman - I just did. Again.


So you agree !! YOU keep waiting for you to post something with at least 1 toe in reality !

Glad to know we agree on something !

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Wednesday, November 11, 2020 9:28 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
What I posted goes for WHOEVER wins. We have GOT to get past this my team/your team, my color/your color divisiveness which is meaningless in the extreme, and is only tossed in front of us like so much confetti to distract us from the real issues.

It's been what I've been posting ever since whenever. I have reached out a hand to people of all political stripes for intelligent and issues-focused conversation, only to be called a "Russian troll" by you, who can't hold discussion if a gun was held to your head.

You simply won't get anything intelligent out of their 'ilk'. I've been waiting YEARS for them to prove me wrong. And it hasn't happened yet.

It looks like it'll never happen.

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Wednesday, November 11, 2020 9:41 PM

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So, as an early weathervane trying to predict which way Biden's* foreign policy will go, it looks to me that while trump was trying to split Russia from China (tough on China, relatively softer on Russia) Biden* will try to split China from Russia by being softer on China and tough on Russia.

Look forward to MOAR WAR in the Mideast (to "contain Russia"), the Caucases, and Central Asia.

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Thursday, November 12, 2020 2:39 AM

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Another random thought occurred to me: the DNC was uncertain of victory, so they sought to create a process (mail in ballots) that would create enough uncertainty that it might delay the vote counting process.

It never occurred to them that Trump might use their own process against them.

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Thursday, November 12, 2020 5:00 PM

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Another random thought occurred to me: the DNC was uncertain of victory, so they sought to create a process (mail in ballots) that would create enough uncertainty that it might delay the vote counting process.

It never occurred to them that Trump might use their own process against them.

hmmmmm.
1. Let all of the honest ballots get counted on Election Day.
2. Calculate how many Fake Ballots are needed to swap the tabulated results to Democraps.
3. Now, if we could just create a way to cast more ballots AFTER Election Day, that should do the trick!!
P.S. And we should avoid requiring IDs for the ballots after Election Day, too.

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Thursday, November 12, 2020 5:16 PM

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Thanks, Donald!





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Thursday, November 12, 2020 5:25 PM

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Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


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Wouldn't it be funny if Bernie doesn't get a Cabinet position?




Bernie Sanders says he would accept this Biden cabinet position
https://news.yahoo.com/bernie-sanders-says-accept-biden-193151101.html

Bernie Sanders says he would accept Labor secretary job if Joe Biden asks
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/bernie-sanders-says-he-would-a
ccept-labor-secretary-job-if-joe-biden-asks/ar-BB1aVmSa?tblci=GiAGJ91p5Prs_JInrPOOe73wipVabLBfVIhWJYPj7zUa4SCC-00


Bernie Sanders says he would accept this Biden cabinet position
https://thegrio.com/2020/11/12/biden-sanders-labor-secretary/

Report: Sanders Interested In Cabinet Position With Potential Biden Administration
https://www.dailywire.com/news/report-sanders-interested-in-cabinet-po
sition-with-potential-biden-administration



Nothing like throwing down the gauntlet Bernie! But this bit is going to be disappeared in less than a day, as an inconvenient reminder that for all the times you took it in the @@@ for Hillary and Joe - you'll get NOTHING.

Because Joe is really NOT for the little guy.



And the same goes for Elizabeth.

x-posted with the 'new clothes' thread http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=63997&p=1



And if democrats don't do any different, how are they any better?


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Thursday, November 12, 2020 5:42 PM

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Biden will hire Republicans before he'd hire a progressive.



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Saturday, November 14, 2020 3:21 AM

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Let’s start with a quick jaunt down memory lane. I first realized that the USA was going to follow the general trajectory of the USSR back in 1995. I also immediately realized that the USSR was rather well prepared for collapse whereas the USA was about to be blindsided by it, and so, as a public service, I thought I should warn people. “And a fat lot of good that did!” some of you might immediately exclaim. But you would be wrong: lots of people have written to me to say how much better adjusted they are psychologically now that they have heard and accepted my message, for now they are ready to accept collapse with equanimity and poise. This is sure to make their company less tedious moving forward.

And so I had my “Eureka!” moment in 1995, and a decade later, in 2005, I went public with my observations. I got a surprisingly sympathetic response from some particularly enlightened people (even if they said so themselves). And now, a quarter of a century after my initial insight, as the US enters national bankruptcy and institutional collapse, the whole world is being treated to an end-of-empire spectacular election extravaganza starring none other than the consummate showman and impresario extraordinaire Donald Trump. He used to run beauty pageants, while this one is more of an ugliness pageant, but then beauty is rare and always fades while ugliness is commonplace and usually just gets uglier, making it a much safer bet. And so let’s accept it as a parting present to the world from a vanishing nation that gave us horror flicks, reality television and three-ring circuses with sideshow freaks.

Within the sweeping panoramic tableau of the 2020 election, Trump (our hero) appears bathed in a golden sunset glow of nostalgia for lost American greatness which he forever promises to rekindle. Rest assured, Trump or no Trump, America will never be great again. But Trump’s magic halo extends out from his resplendent orange cranial plumage and enfolds all those who pine for the lost Pax Americana and fear and loathe what America is fast becoming—which is, to put it bluntly, a holding tank for degenerates of every stripe presided over by a freak show. They pine for a time when men were manly and women womanly, when secretaries were flattered when their bosses took time away from their busy schedules to rub up against them, and when everyone was either a WASP, or worked hard on trying to look and act like one, or kept to their assigned station in life and knew better than to get too uppity. They want to believe that the ethnic melting pot can still produce noble alloys, preferably Corinthian bronze, and certainly not clinker or slag.

Arrayed against our fearless orange-hued leader, who at 74 is no spring chicken himself, is a ghoulish gaggle of geriatric gerontocrats.

There is Joe Biden, 77, whose brain ran away and joined a circus some years ago but who imagines himself to be president-elect, or senator, or vice-president, or something. Having spent eight years lurking in the shadows as Obama’s VP, Biden is as fit to lead as a pig is kosher after rubbing its side against a corner of a synagogue. To assist Biden in his dodderings there is his party-appointed nanny, Kamala Harris, a mere slip of a girl at 56.

Also haunting the balcony of the American mausoleum is Nancy Pelosi, 80, who still runs the House of Representatives even though proper employment for her at this point would be up on a pole keeping the birds off the corn. There is also Bernie Sanders, 79, a sad pagliaccio whose permanent role in the political Commedia dell’Arte that the Democratic Party stages every four years is to simulate democracy by cheerleading crowds of young imbeciles in Act I, to feign death after falling off his pogo stick in Act II, and to stagger to his feet, wave and smile for the curtain call.

Last but not least, there is the horrid harpy Hillary Clinton, who is relatively young at 73 but whose putrid smell and cadaverous, ghastly visage are not longer fit for public display except in most delicately contrived circumstances. Hidden even further backstage is the suppurating cadaver of George Soros who, at 90, is still pulling the strings and wreaking havoc in the US and around the world. (His minions had recently spread color revolution to Armenia, in turn causing it to “elect” Pashinyan, a choice imbecile and a traitor, who then lost a big chunk of Armenian territory to Azerbaijan.) I could mention quite a few other financial corpses and oligarchic cadavers, but will refrain, to avoid giving you nightmares. Nobody lives forever, not even Henry Kissinger, 97, and so all we have to do is wait.

In healthy societies, older leaders age out and make room for younger leaders who take over for them after a lengthy period of study and apprenticeship. In sick societies, older leaders cling to power with no one competent there to replace them and once they die are replaced by traitors and criminals. The USSR and the USA are two such examples. The late Soviet serial gerontocracy of Brezhnev, Andropov and Chernenko, who for a time haunted the balcony of the Lenin mausoleum and, once dispatched to the netherworld, were swiftly replaced by the traitorous duo of blabbermouth Mikhail Gorbachëv and Drunk President Boris Yeltsin, was a tragedy for Russia. The resulting die-off was of the same order of magnitude as the losses incurred during World War II. In accordance with the worn-out cliché about history repeating, the current American gerontocracy is more of a farce than a tragedy, but its results are likely to be no less lethal for the population.

To complete this ghastly tableau, in the ongoing US presidential election, an almost-dead candidate and his charming assistant have been voted for by an army of the undead: voters that have mailed in their ballots in spite of being deceased. I have spot-checked a bit of the incriminating evidence myself, and I am pretty sure that there were over 11,000 such voters in a single Michigan county alone. But this is by no means a local scam: among many other vote-counting shenanigans, it appears that there was a nationwide effort to order mail-in ballots for dead people, fill them out for Biden, and mail them in. You might say that this is a human rights issue: why deprive dead people of their right to vote? Isn’t it about time to stop discriminating against the dead? Perhaps LGBTQ should be amended to LGBTQD for “Dead.” But why stop there? Why not also add a “U” for the unborn and stop this unpardonable discrimination against abortions?

In any case, dead voters for Biden turn out to be just the tip of an entire iceberg of election fraud. There are also the over 1.8 million nonexistent yet registered voters discovered by Judicial Watch back in September. Add to that the faulty voting system, creepily named “Dominion,” which miscounted votes to favor Biden. Add to that the undeservedly kid-gloved and fawning press coverage afforded to Biden and the US mass media’s overwhelmingly hostile attitude toward Trump. Add to that the fraudulent poll data which, just as prior to the 2016 election, was contrived to make a fraudulent Biden victory seem plausible. Add to that the amply funded organizations such as BLM and Antifa (in which the “Anti-” prefix is gratuitous, this organization in fact being very much “Fa…”) which have been ordered to protest, loot and riot in many major US cities, moving their mercenaries from location to location, where they then recruit useful idiots among the locals. What this adds up to is a vast, brazen, carelessly self-incriminating conspiracy to overthrow a sitting president through election fraud.

If you believe even for a moment that I am scandalized, disgusted and outraged by this trampling of the sacred principles of democracy, then pardon me while I shake my head sardonically while quietly chuckling to myself. No, I am not the least bit upset. In fact, this development fills me with optimism for the future. I believe that this ghastly institutional failure is a wonderful development that offers great hope to the rest of the world, and perhaps even to the US itself, although the political environment in the US appears to be rather hopeless irrespective of how horribly or wonderfully its ridiculous electoral system can be made to function.

In any case, it would be futile to try to give the US some semblance of a democratic election system. It would be like trying to clean up a beach by picking up empty beer cans around a beached whale. The presidency, after four years of ham-handed efforts to unseat a president using false evidence, is a failed institution. Congress, which now nonchalantly overspends federal revenue by a factor of three, is a fiscal zombie. The Federal Reserve, which is now a pure pyramid scheme, is a financial zombie. And then there is the rest of the ridiculously bloated US economy, which is waiting for a stiff gust of wind to cause ephemeral wealth to flood out of stocks and bonds and into cash, much of it evaporating in the process and the rest causing a tsunami of consumer price inflation.

In the course of this spectacle, the false image of the US as a shining city on a hill, a beacon for huddled masses yearning to breathe free and a beneficent global policeman safeguarding “universal human rights,” enforcing “universal human values” and spreading “freedom and democracy” around the world is being stomped into the dirt, having excrement poured all over it, and being stomped into the dirt some more. As the curtain descends on this final act of Pax Americana, the image of the orange enfant terrible and the senile puppet with his child-nurse in tow playing on the teeter-totter of electoral dysfunction on the playground of second childhood will forever remain etched into the retinas of the whole world. The whole world will then be able to move on and look for worthier role models and for less corrupt policemen. And that’s progress!

The collapse of the USA will make the collapse of the USSR look like a stroll through a leafy park and a boat ride on a placid pond. I’ve been saying this for 15 years now. My message is still there, for all those who wish to understand what’s been happening and to keep their sanity.



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That is a sobering summary of the collapse of Pax Americana right now, from Election Steal 2020, at the hands of Soros.

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Saturday, November 14, 2020 12:54 PM

REAVERFAN


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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
That is a sobering summary of the collapse of Pax Americana right now, from Election Steal 2020, at the hands of Soros.

Soros?

Jesus, you're such a Russian troll...

Show us ONE election fraud story that hasn't been completely and absolutely debunked.

Just ONE.



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Saturday, November 14, 2020 4:27 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



Nobody won. The country is still divided 50/50.

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Biden Asked Republicans to Give Him a Chance. They’re Not Interested.

President-elect Joe Biden promised to “restore the soul of the nation.” But the divisions that marked President Trump’s tenure show no signs of receding.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/14/us/politics/biden-trump-republicans
.html




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Sunday, November 15, 2020 12:40 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


I posted this in another thread, but it really belongs here

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BTW, Biden* is going to be such a clusterfuck that if anybody is going to be denying anything in four years, it will be Biden* supporters.

I can imagine a whole new political movement coming from this moment, and it won't be pro-Democrat, or pro-Republican, because the "establishment" wings of both parties have completely sold their souls and left Americans behind. And since Biden* IS the DNC puppet, don't expect anything other than token gestures and lies from him*. Yanno, just like Obama, who shat trillions of dollars to the banks and scraped poorer and more colored home owners from the soles of his shoes, leading to an historic and permanent (so far) drop in black household wealth.


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