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Thursday, September 24, 2020 2:54 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


I've been hearing weird info about the incident of her death.

I am returning to edit this OP on 28 Sept.
The portions I am highlighting are erroneous or in dispute as correct.


What seems to be universally understood:

Police executed a Search Warrant, at around 3am, at the wrong address.


The first shot fired was from Breoanna's boyfriend, who shot and injured at least one cop.

Cops returned fire, including some wayward shots into adjoining apartments. Breoanna was shot in this return fire, and died from these wounds.


The release of the Grand Jury report reveals that, whether or not it was a No-Knock Warrant, it was not served as a No-Knock Warrant. Meaning the cops knocked first.



What I had thought I'd heard, but not sure the source:

Whether knock and announced or not, cops had broken through the door to the apartment.
And the boyfriend shot at the cops who were within the apartment.


But now I have heard that the cops knocked, announced, did not break into the apartment, and waited in the hallway for somebody to answer the door.
Then without exchanging words with the cops, the boyfriend started shooting at the cops through the door, while the cops were in the hallway.
Then cops returned fire, presumably also through the door, while still in the hallway.



This new version of events sounds really fishy.

Not that we will ever know for sure, with BLM and Antifags dreaming up and spouting fictional narratives for the past few months, but it would be nice to have a clearer picture of the facts.



To be clear, I do find this event to be horrific. I consider the persons at fault to be the clowns who got the address wrong, and who also did not know who was inside the residence that they were serving the warrant on. These are unlikely the cops who actual performed the entry. These responsible parties should be fired for certain, and also jailed. Perhaps for negligent homicide or dereliction of duty, but certainly it must be made clear that these minor technicalities are not to be sneezed at if you want to remain out of prison. This also includes the "supervisors" who kludged together these unsychronized units from the point of error to those who executed the warrant. I don't care if they were cops, prosecutors, clerks making typos, whatever.


Detective Joshua Jaynes sought the Warrant, and apparently was not present to serve it.
Sgt. Mattingly was shot by the boyfriend, Kenneth Walker.
Detective Cosgrove fired the specific round which was declared to have "killed" Breonna, although I heard she was shot 8 times in the crossfire.
Detective Hankinson was not injured by gunfire, and apparently did not hit Breonna or Walker, or anybody else, with his gunfire. He has been fired.



I am not finding any transcript of the Grand Jury Report.

Transcript of the Press Briefing:
https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/local/breonna-taylor/2020/0
9/23/breonna-taylor-decision-kentucky-ag-daniel-cameron/3507419001
/

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Thursday, September 24, 2020 3:41 PM

REAVERFAN


Nothing's changed.





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Thursday, September 24, 2020 3:43 PM

REAVERFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
I've been hearing weird info about the incident of her death.


What seems to be universally understood:

Police executed a Search Warrant, at around 3am, at the wrong address.


The first shot fired was from Breoanna's boyfriend, who shot and injured at least one cop.

Cops returned fire, including some wayward shots into adjoining apartments. Breoanna was shot in this return fire, and died from these wounds.


The release of the Grand Jury report reveals that, whether or not it was a No-Knock Warrant, it was not served as a No-Knock Warrant. Meaning the cops knocked first.



What I had thought I'd heard, but not sure the source:

Whether knock and announced or not, cops had broken through the door to the apartment.
And the boyfriend shot at the cops who were within the apartment.


But now I have heard that the cops knocked, announced, did not break into the apartment, and waited in the hallway for somebody to answer the door.
Then without exchanging words with the cops, the boyfriend started shooting at the cops through the door, while the cops were in the hallway.
Then cops returned fire, presumably also through the door, while still in the hallway.


This new version of events sounds really fishy.

Not that we will ever know for sure, with BLM and Antifags dreaming up and spouting fictional narratives for the past few months, but it would be nice to have a clearer picture of the facts.



To be clear, I do find this event to be horrific. I consider the persons at fault to be the clowns who got the address wrong, and who also did not know who was inside the residence that they were serving the warrant on. These are unlikely the cops who actual performed the entry. These responsible parties should be fired for certain, and also jailed. Perhaps for negligent homicide or dereliction of duty, but certainly it must be made clear that these minor technicalities are not to be sneezed at if you want to remain out of prison. This also includes the "supervisors" who kludged together these unsychronized units from the point of error to those who executed the warrant. I don't care if they were cops, prosecutors, clerks making typos, whatever.


Detective Joshua Jaynes sought the Warrant, and apparently was not present to serve it.
Sgt. Mattingly was shot by the boyfriend, Kenneth Walker.
Detective Cosgrove fired the specific round which was declared to have "killed" Breonna, although I heard she was shot 8 times in the crossfire.
Detective Hankinson was not injured by gunfire, and apparently did not hit Breonna or Walker, or anybody else, with his gunfire. He has been fired.



I am not finding any transcript of the Grand Jury Report.

Transcript of the Press Briefing:
https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/local/breonna-taylor/2020/0
9/23/breonna-taylor-decision-kentucky-ag-daniel-cameron/3507419001/

Since you're a Russian troll, you're not here to inform or enlighten. You're only here to spread hate and evil, so that's why everyone here laughs at you. No one cares what you have to say, because all you say is stupid shit.





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Thursday, September 24, 2020 4:31 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
I've been hearing weird info about the incident of her death.


What seems to be universally understood:

Police executed a Search Warrant, at around 3am, at the wrong address.


The first shot fired was from Breoanna's boyfriend, who shot and injured at least one cop.

Cops returned fire, including some wayward shots into adjoining apartments. Breoanna was shot in this return fire, and died from these wounds.


The release of the Grand Jury report reveals that, whether or not it was a No-Knock Warrant, it was not served as a No-Knock Warrant. Meaning the cops knocked first.



What I had thought I'd heard, but not sure the source:

Whether knock and announced or not, cops had broken through the door to the apartment.
And the boyfriend shot at the cops who were within the apartment.


But now I have heard that the cops knocked, announced, did not break into the apartment, and waited in the hallway for somebody to answer the door.
Then without exchanging words with the cops, the boyfriend started shooting at the cops through the door, while the cops were in the hallway.
Then cops returned fire, presumably also through the door, while still in the hallway.


This new version of events sounds really fishy.

Not that we will ever know for sure, with BLM and Antifags dreaming up and spouting fictional narratives for the past few months, but it would be nice to have a clearer picture of the facts.



To be clear, I do find this event to be horrific. I consider the persons at fault to be the clowns who got the address wrong, and who also did not know who was inside the residence that they were serving the warrant on. These are unlikely the cops who actual performed the entry. These responsible parties should be fired for certain, and also jailed. Perhaps for negligent homicide or dereliction of duty, but certainly it must be made clear that these minor technicalities are not to be sneezed at if you want to remain out of prison. This also includes the "supervisors" who kludged together these unsychronized units from the point of error to those who executed the warrant. I don't care if they were cops, prosecutors, clerks making typos, whatever.


Detective Joshua Jaynes sought the Warrant, and apparently was not present to serve it.
Sgt. Mattingly was shot by the boyfriend, Kenneth Walker.
Detective Cosgrove fired the specific round which was declared to have "killed" Breonna, although I heard she was shot 8 times in the crossfire.
Detective Hankinson was not injured by gunfire, and apparently did not hit Breonna or Walker, or anybody else, with his gunfire. He has been fired.



I am not finding any transcript of the Grand Jury Report.

Transcript of the Press Briefing:
https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/local/breonna-taylor/2020/0
9/23/breonna-taylor-decision-kentucky-ag-daniel-cameron/3507419001/

From the transcript:
When officers breached the door, Breonna was standing next to her boyfriend in the hallway, who was already in a firing stance, gun pointed at the officers.
Mattingly return fire with 6 shots, and Cosgrove fired 16 shots.
Harkinson was not entering the same front doorway, but fired from a side bedroom window, so it sounds like his shots were perpendicular to the other 2 officers.

It sounds like the actual guilty parties are being investigated by FBI, referred to as "obtaining the Warrant" investigation.

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Thursday, September 24, 2020 5:08 PM

WHOZIT


LPD said they were not wearing body cams...odd?

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Thursday, September 24, 2020 5:13 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by whozit:
LPD said they were not wearing body cams...odd?

Detectives were not, beat cops were.

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Thursday, September 24, 2020 6:06 PM

REAVERFAN






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Thursday, September 24, 2020 8:54 PM

WISHIMAY


She was (I think) the fifth no-knock in the area which also just happens to be an area in development.


I have ZERO doubts they executed her for not selling out.


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Thursday, September 24, 2020 9:36 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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All I know about her is that her parents didn't know how to spell Brianna.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, September 25, 2020 6:16 AM

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Friday, September 25, 2020 6:53 AM

REAVERFAN




Pro tip: If you're going to break into someone's house, just yell "Police!" as you are doing so. They can't legally stop you!



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Friday, September 25, 2020 9:04 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Holy false equivalence, Batman!


This is how we know YOU are stupid, stupid.

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Friday, September 25, 2020 9:51 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:

Pro tip: If you're going to break into someone's house, just yell "Police!" as you are doing so. They can't legally stop you!



Seriously - how do you make "No Knock Warrant" & "Castle Doctrine" work in the same universe?

"I didn't hear them say "Police."

"We definitely said, 'Police!'"

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Friday, September 25, 2020 1:09 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


This isn't the first tragic death resulting from "no knock" or "quick knock" (knock and enter immediately) warrants, and unless noknock/quickknock searches are outlawed it won't be the last.

There's so much that can go wrong with no knock warrants, and when they're executed on innocent people what happens is often exactly what happened with Breonna Taylor: innocent people hear someone breaking in, shoot to defend themselves, and are killed in a fusilade of bullets.

The Supreme Court has allowed wide latitude to local judges and police to use no-knock warrants, local judges approve the vast majority of them, in some jurisdictions converting regular search warrants to no-knocks without even being requested by the police.

This is all part of the "war on drugs".

I say, end the practice of no-knock and quick-knock warrants. Police still have the authority to enter a home under exigent circumstances
https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/exigent_circumstances and avoid the necessity of having any kind of warrant altogether, but there is a higher threshhold. And, to prevent police from fabricating/planting evidence to justify an unjustified "exigent circumstances" entry, every officer entering a home must be wearing a body cam.

Another practice that should be ended: civil asset forfeiture.

Chokeholds should also be outlawed. A knee on someone's neck no bueno. I have seen a knee on someone's upper back to restrain them while cuffing, tho, and that seems reasonable. Once cuffed, restraints should be let up. There is no reason to keep someone down forcibly if they're cuffed behind their back. And if police are worried about someone small "jump roping" their handcuffs, how about ankle shackles?

And for people who are just out of control (high on drugs, crazy, sick) I still think a tranquilizer dart might be a reasonable option, as long as EMTs are there to manage the resuts, otherwise you're left with tasers, physical restraints. batons, and bullets.




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Friday, September 25, 2020 2:11 PM

REAVERFAN


It's just a big cover up.

One “witness” said they heard the cops announce themselves, 12 others did not. Ms. Taylor’s boyfriend was told to lie by the cops, so do we really think this “witness” heard what they say they heard, or do we think the cops just threatened them until they agreed to lie? Considering the state of the police in America, it’s likely they threatened to jail the witness on some trumped-up charge if they didn’t lie. Poor person probably had a warrant against them, or one of the cops dropped a bag of crack and pinned it on them.





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Friday, September 25, 2020 2:24 PM

WHOZIT


Sig, they did knock, the cop who shot her shot her threw her bedroom window not the front door. The more I read about this the more I'm sure the cops fucked up, that's why the city paid the family $12 mill. Go to Wikipedia and read about this, the MSM is only interested in burning Auto Parts Stores.

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Friday, September 25, 2020 3:22 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by WISHIMAY:
She was (I think) the fifth no-knock in the area which also just happens to be an area in development.

I have ZERO doubts they executed her for not selling out.

Outside of Crazyworld, how does this work when they are renting an apartment? The pregnant women next door was more desirable to the developers than the EMT?

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Friday, September 25, 2020 3:28 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by whozit:
LPD said they were not wearing body cams...odd?

Detectives were not, beat cops were.

As I understand, body cams in most jurisdictions are primarily assigned to beat cops, street cops, patrol.
Detectives are mostly not assigned body cams. They have more experience, seniority, fewer events like this.

I am in Green Bay, and although I had thought GBPD had bodycams, apparently they do not now. So currently the Packers have worked out some gift for them to all get bodycams. When I heard the price tag it was staggering.
But I don't think it is unusual for Detectives to not be wearing bodycams. But they were on a seperate duty, serving a Warrant. I think it would be a good idea to have extra bodycams for time when a unit is doing something different than sitting at a desk, like serving Warrants or forced entry.

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Friday, September 25, 2020 3:34 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
This isn't the first tragic death resulting from "no knock" or "quick knock" (knock and enter immediately) warrants, and unless noknock/quickknock searches are outlawed it won't be the last.

There's so much that can go wrong with no knock warrants, and when they're executed on innocent people what happens is often exactly what happened with Breonna Taylor: innocent people hear someone breaking in, shoot to defend themselves, and are killed in a fusilade of bullets.

The Supreme Court has allowed wide latitude to local judges and police to use no-knock warrants, local judges approve the vast majority of them, in some jurisdictions converting regular search warrants to no-knocks without even being requested by the police.

This is all part of the "war on drugs".

I say, end the practice of no-knock and quick-knock warrants. Police still have the authority to enter a home under exigent circumstances
https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/exigent_circumstances and avoid the necessity of having any kind of warrant altogether, but there is a higher threshhold. And, to prevent police from fabricating/planting evidence to justify an unjustified "exigent circumstances" entry, every officer entering a home must be wearing a body cam.

Another practice that should be ended: civil asset forfeiture.

Chokeholds should also be outlawed. A knee on someone's neck no bueno. I have seen a knee on someone's upper back to restrain them while cuffing, tho, and that seems reasonable. Once cuffed, restraints should be let up. There is no reason to keep someone down forcibly if they're cuffed behind their back. And if police are worried about someone small "jump roping" their handcuffs, how about ankle shackles?

And for people who are just out of control (high on drugs, crazy, sick) I still think a tranquilizer dart might be a reasonable option, as long as EMTs are there to manage the resuts, otherwise you're left with tasers, physical restraints. batons, and bullets.

I have long thought No-Knock Warrants were a major problem. But without them, all the criminals rush to flush all evidence down the toilet before answering the door.
But No-Knock Warrants should have a far higher level of review and coordination/sychronization. Ensuring the address is correct, ensuring the occupants are correct, ensuring the officer seeking the warrant relays every detail to the Entry Team. The "supervisors" or authoritive party should be held more at much higher level of responsibility, and they are not.

Asset Forfeiture has always been a problem. If not deleted, it should at minimum be severely tweaked.

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Friday, September 25, 2020 3:42 PM

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Friday, September 25, 2020 3:45 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted:


The only person charged was the only person who didn't actually hit any persons. That was the $15,000 bond. That was the State only - the FBI Investigation continues, into how the mistakes of the Warrant happened, and who was responsible.
The rioters shooting cops should all be $15,000,000 bond.


Regarding the cop who didn't hit anybody, and then his rounds went through the walls and into other apartments: the 2 cops at the front door, Cosgrove and Mattington, had no obstructions, just a long hallway to shoot down, and of 22 shots fired, 6 hit. Both Breonna and Walker were facing them, so the target wa bigger for shooting. The Harkinson cop was perpendicular to this vector of fire, his target silhouette was far thinner, and easier to miss hitting, and also he was shooting through a side window, where glass will deflect the shots to some degree, and possibly even a wire screen window. Any reasonable person would expect his shots to miss far more often than the head-on shots from the front door.

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Friday, September 25, 2020 4:53 PM

REAVERFAN


I'll let Vaush debunk your Russian troll bullshit.





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Friday, September 25, 2020 8:53 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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When Breoanna's reincarnation is of dating age I suggest she find better men to hang out with.

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Friday, September 25, 2020 10:34 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Originally posted by whozit:
Sig, they did knock, the cop who shot her shot her threw her bedroom window not the front door. The more I read about this the more I'm sure the cops fucked up, that's why the city paid the family $12 mill. Go to Wikipedia and read about this, the MSM is only interested in burning Auto Parts Stores.



There is "no knock" and "quick knock", which are - in reality - the same thing.

Quick knock is when you knock and enter IMMEDIATELY The purpose of the "quick knock" is the same as the "no knock": to get in before anyone can dispose of evidence. It MIGHT be useful during the daytime to alert the residents that it's the police entering, but since most noknocks/quickknocks happen at night, it's doubtful that a bang on the door and a shouted POLICE! would wake up and alert the residents as to who is entering. Most people would be sleep-fogged and only cognizant that someone was breaking in.

So, did the police wait for the residents to open the door and let them in?

No?

Then it may have been a "quick knock", which is just a "no knock" with a pro forma knock on the door.

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Friday, September 25, 2020 10:46 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

SIGNYM:
This isn't the first tragic death resulting from "no knock" or "quick knock" (knock and enter immediately) warrants, and unless noknock/quickknock searches are outlawed it won't be the last.

There's so much that can go wrong with no knock warrants, and when they're executed on innocent people what happens is often exactly what happened with Breonna Taylor: innocent people hear someone breaking in, shoot to defend themselves, and are killed in a fusilade of bullets.

The Supreme Court has allowed wide latitude to local judges and police to use no-knock warrants, local judges approve the vast majority of them, in some jurisdictions converting regular search warrants to no-knocks without even being requested by the police.

This is all part of the "war on drugs".

I say, end the practice of no-knock and quick-knock warrants. Police still have the authority to enter a home under exigent circumstances
https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/exigent_circumstances and avoid the necessity of having any kind of warrant altogether, but there is a higher threshhold. And, to prevent police from fabricating/planting evidence to justify an unjustified "exigent circumstances" entry, every officer entering a home must be wearing a body cam.

Another practice that should be ended: civil asset forfeiture.

Chokeholds should also be outlawed. A knee on someone's neck no bueno. I have seen a knee on someone's upper back to restrain them while cuffing, tho, and that seems reasonable. Once cuffed, restraints should be let up. There is no reason to keep someone down forcibly if they're cuffed behind their back. And if police are worried about someone small "jump roping" their handcuffs, how about ankle shackles?

And for people who are just out of control (high on drugs, crazy, sick) I still think a tranquilizer dart might be a reasonable option, as long as EMTs are there to manage the resuts, otherwise you're left with tasers, physical restraints. batons, and bullets.

JSF: I have long thought No-Knock Warrants were a major problem. But without them, all the criminals rush to flush all evidence down the toilet before answering the door.
But No-Knock Warrants should have a far higher level of review and coordination/sychronization. Ensuring the address is correct, ensuring the occupants are correct, ensuring the officer seeking the warrant relays every detail to the Entry Team. The "supervisors" or authoritive party should be held more at much higher level of responsibility, and they are not.

Asset Forfeiture has always been a problem. If not deleted, it should at minimum be severely tweaked.

Well, get the sanitation department to block their sewer, then.

Police can ALWAYS enter on "exigent circumstances"

Quote:

Definition

Exigent circumstances - circumstances would cause a reasonable person to believe that entry (or other relevant prompt action) was necessary to prevent physical harm to the officers or other persons, the destruction of relevant evidence, the escape of the suspect, or some other consequence improperly frustrating legitimate law enforcement efforts."

There is no need for no-knock warrants, as far as I can tell.

By relying on "exigent circumstances", the detectives and police at the door are following a trail of evidence to that location, not relying on some piece of paper that can be fucked up.

And they STILL should all be wearing body cams, because it's way tooo easy to drop a bag of cocaine on the scene and claim that drugs were already there.



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Saturday, September 26, 2020 12:33 AM

WISHIMAY


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
When Breoanna's reincarnation is of dating age I suggest she find better men to hang out with.





Under that B.S. theory, every women that has ever known 6ix is in danger

Fucking moron.


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Saturday, September 26, 2020 12:39 AM

WISHIMAY


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Outside of Crazyworld, how does this work when they are renting an apartment? The pregnant women next door was more desirable to the developers than the EMT?



Sorry, I hadn't seen the updated version since it happened... they executed HER because HE would not get out. Guess they got the message...



https://www.thecut.com/2020/09/breonna-taylor-louisville-shooting-poli
ce-what-we-know.html


"In an amended complaint to their lawsuit, Taylor’s lawyers add the claim that Glover himself was unjustly targeted by a special police squad called Place-Based Investigation, because he was one of the “primary roadblocks” to gentrification in the area — the Russell neighborhood of Louisville in which Glover rented his home is part of a multimillion-dollar city revitalization effort called Vision Russell. According to the complaint, Glover was arrested for a second time on April 23. The city then moved to purchase his house, one of several recent foreclosure acquisitions in the area; in June, the city finally acquired it for $17,000. Taylor’s attorneys argue that Taylor was included in the search warrant targeted at Glover as part of the trumped-up set of accusations against him, fueled by the city’s desire to remove him from the neighborhood."


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Saturday, September 26, 2020 12:41 AM

WISHIMAY


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
All I know about her is that her parents didn't know how to spell Brianna.




All I know is that 6ix's parents have severe mental defects and should have been barred from breeding.


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Saturday, September 26, 2020 12:52 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


I bet myself that no cops would be charged because they followed the rules.

It's the rules that are fucked up, that should be on trial.

Here we have 2 people who didn't do anything wrong, who were confronted with people violently breaking into their home, in the middle of the night, while they were sleeping.

Jeeze.

How could it be that nobody in authority foresaw the potential for things to go wrong with no-knock warrants in the middle of the night?

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Saturday, September 26, 2020 1:23 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:
I bet myself that no cops would be charged because they followed the rules.

It's the rules that are fucked up, that should be on trial.

Here we have 2 people who didn't do anything wrong, who were confronted with people violently breaking into their home, in the middle of the night, while they were sleeping.

Jeeze.

How could it be that nobody in authority foresaw the potential for things to go wrong with no-knock warrants in the middle of the night?

You don't need to "foresee", all you need is to look at history.

The exact same thing happened just a few years ago, except it was a man that was killed, not a woman. It boggles the mind that noknock/quicknock warrants are still being issued.

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Saturday, September 26, 2020 2:23 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


That we definitely agree on!

So ... out of the various incidents across the country, there are a few what I think of as VERY SPECIFIC 'no-brainer' changes that I've remembered that came up in discussion:

stop calling out police for psychiatric calls
stop further restraining people (including prone positioning) who are already in cuffs
eliminate quick-knock/ no-knock warrants
eliminate asset forfeiture laws

(I'm sure there are more, but I have the memory of a gnat sometimes).

I wonder if anyone can come up with arguments as to why these things should continue in force.

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Saturday, September 26, 2020 4:17 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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I'm sure that police put in high regard the opinions of a bunch of white women who have never been in danger once in their lives and made more money than they do in their easy white lab coat job than they ever will risking theirs.

lol

I'm sure of it.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Saturday, September 26, 2020 5:03 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


snicker

The more you show how little you know, the harder I laugh.

But I gotta ask - when you say 'bunch of' I presume you mean '2', which includes Signy. So what did Signy ever do to you to deserve that, except treat you decently? and, yanno, overlook your follies?


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Saturday, September 26, 2020 6:22 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
When Breoanna's reincarnation is of dating age I suggest she find better men to hang out with.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Blame the victim. That's what pussies do. And you're a massive pussy.

Also, the video I so thoughtfully provided CRUSHES all the fascist talking points with ease.



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Saturday, September 26, 2020 10:36 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
When Breoanna's reincarnation is of dating age I suggest she find better men to hang out with.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Blame the victim. That's what pussies do. And you're a massive pussy.

Also, the video I so thoughtfully provided CRUSHES all the fascist talking points with ease.







All I'm saying is if she was fucking a dude who wasn't a career criminal she'd probably still be alive today.

"Blame" would imply that I give a shit.

I assure you that I do not give a shit.




And nobody's going to watch your millennial soy cuck propaganda videos.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Saturday, September 26, 2020 10:45 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:
snicker

The more you show how little you know, the harder I laugh.

But I gotta ask - when you say 'bunch of' I presume you mean '2', which includes Signy. So what did Signy ever do to you to deserve that, except treat you decently? and, yanno, overlook your follies?





Deserve what?

I don't offer any apologies for what I say. Signy knows who I am and continues to converse with me. I don't go around telling her that she shouldn't talk to you because you're a Nilbog level basic bitch.

We've all got follies, Princess.

Go fuck yourself on em.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Saturday, September 26, 2020 11:56 AM

REAVERFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

And nobody's going to watch your millennial soy cuck propaganda videos.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Of course not. It destroys your Nazi lie campaign.

Now watch Candace Owens get her lying ass beat.





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Saturday, September 26, 2020 1:01 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:
I bet myself that no cops would be charged because they followed the rules.

It's the rules that are fucked up, that should be on trial.

Here we have 2 people who didn't do anything wrong, who were confronted with people violently breaking into their home, in the middle of the night, while they were sleeping.

Jeeze.

How could it be that nobody in authority foresaw the potential for things to go wrong with no-knock warrants in the middle of the night?

I did not frame this thread in such a way, since I mentally assumed any reasonable person would see it, but I see now that we should point out that this Breonna death was obviously not a Black/White issue, but instead an issue of civil rights vs. overzealous judges, overzealous prosecutors, overzealous cops. The judges should be protecting us from these horrific practices. How can No-Knock Warrants coexist in a world with Castle Doctrine?

Whaites are just as victimized as black on this issue.

I don't recall that Donald P. Scott was black.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Donald_Scott

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forfeiture_Endangers_American_Rights

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_killings_by_law_enforcement_off
icers_in_the_United_States

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Saturday, September 26, 2020 1:05 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by WISHIMAY:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Outside of Crazyworld, how does this work when they are renting an apartment? The pregnant women next door was more desirable to the developers than the EMT?

Sorry, I hadn't seen the updated version since it happened... they executed HER because HE would not get out. Guess they got the message...

https://www.thecut.com/2020/09/breonna-taylor-louisville-shooting-poli
ce-what-we-know.html


"In an amended complaint to their lawsuit, Taylor’s lawyers add the claim that Glover himself was unjustly targeted by a special police squad called Place-Based Investigation, because he was one of the “primary roadblocks” to gentrification in the area — the Russell neighborhood of Louisville in which Glover rented his home is part of a multimillion-dollar city revitalization effort called Vision Russell. According to the complaint, Glover was arrested for a second time on April 23. The city then moved to purchase his house, one of several recent foreclosure acquisitions in the area; in June, the city finally acquired it for $17,000. Taylor’s attorneys argue that Taylor was included in the search warrant targeted at Glover as part of the trumped-up set of accusations against him, fueled by the city’s desire to remove him from the neighborhood."

Well, that linked article managed only one single sentence before starting their lies. Breonna was not asleep when Police breached her front door, she was standing in the hallway next to her boyfriend - unless she was sleepwalking.

Quote:

Police records show that Taylor wasn’t the main subject of the police investigation the night she died. It instead focused on Jamarcus Glover, an ex-boyfriend of Taylor’s with whom her family says she maintained a “passive” relationship. In the affidavit seeking a search warrant for Taylor’s house, Detective Joshua Jaynes wrote that he had seen Glover leave Taylor’s apartment in January with a USPS package before driving to a “known drug house” more than ten miles away. A judge then signed off on the warrant, including a “no knock” provision that allowed law-enforcement officers to enter Taylor’s house without identifying themselves.

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Saturday, September 26, 2020 4:20 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

1KIKI:
snicker

The more you show how little you know, the harder I laugh.

But I gotta ask - when you say 'bunch of' I presume you mean '2', which includes Signy. So what did Signy ever do to you to deserve that, except treat you decently? and, yanno, overlook your follies?


SIX: Deserve what?

I don't offer any apologies for what I say.

You should. All that means it that you're childish and don't take responsibility.
Quote:

Signy knows who I am and continues to converse with me. I don't go around telling her that she shouldn't talk to you because you're a Nilbog level basic bitch.

We've all got follies, Princess.

You're being such an asshole, SIX, you're going to get time out.

That stupid ASSumption of yours that neither KIKI nor I have even been in danger was a stupid ASSumption. I HAVE been in danger, and been a crime victim more than once. I know how scary it is, which is why I give people a fair bit of leeway when it comes to defending themselves, their homes, loved ones, and businesses.

Which is why NO KNOCK warrants should be ABOLISHED. They're dangerous for the targets and DANGEROUS FOR THE POLICE. There are far too many way for them to go pear-shaped. They only exist to make evidence-gathering more robust, NOT because they're safer for the police. Show me a valid reason why no-knocks should exist, and I'll listen to your argument.

Insults from you, btw, don't count.

so - Go fuck yourself on em- indeed.

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Saturday, September 26, 2020 4:38 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:
I bet myself that no cops would be charged because they followed the rules.

It's the rules that are fucked up, that should be on trial.

Here we have 2 people who didn't do anything wrong, who were confronted with people violently breaking into their home, in the middle of the night, while they were sleeping.

Jeeze.

How could it be that nobody in authority foresaw the potential for things to go wrong with no-knock warrants in the middle of the night?

Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
I did not frame this thread in such a way, since I mentally assumed any reasonable person would see it, but I see now that we should point out that this Breonna death was obviously not a Black/White issue, but instead an issue of civil rights vs. overzealous judges, overzealous prosecutors, overzealous cops. The judges should be protecting us from these horrific practices. How can No-Knock Warrants coexist in a world with Castle Doctrine?

Whites are just as victimized as black on this issue.

I don't recall that Donald P. Scott was black.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Donald_Scott

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forfeiture_Endangers_American_Rights

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_killings_by_law_enforcement_off
icers_in_the_United_States



White and rich STILL does have its privileges, and one of them is that cops are made to care if they kill the 'wrong' person.

(I deleted much of this reply because I tried to find supporting links for it but didn't.)

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Saturday, September 26, 2020 6:49 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


There's a sliding scale about how much care police take with various people, and wealth, race, sex, age, and neighborhood all play a part. A poor young white man still ranks higher than a poor young black man. It would be unrealistic to deny that.

Still, white folk have been shot by mistake too.

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Sunday, September 27, 2020 9:56 AM

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Sole Witness Who Heard Cops Announce Themselves in Breonna Taylor Raid Changed His Story
https://news.yahoo.com/sole-witness-heard-cops-announce-215316031.html

Well, well, what do ya know?



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Sunday, September 27, 2020 10:05 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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I'm not a fan of no knock warrants. I'm no fan of warrants in general.

In fact, I think the only thing a warrant should allow is for police to come inside to detain you ONLY if you refuse to go willingly when an arrest warrant is presented, and ONLY specifically for the purpose of getting you out of the dwelling and into custody.

But I also realize that's easier for me to say since I'm not a criminal and I've generally lived in areas with average to below average crime rates.


That being said, if anybody is really looking for an argument that is PRO no-knock warrant, I would say it's right here in front of you.

Had the police not knocked and giving warning ahead of time, Brianna and her boyfriend would not have been standing in the hallway, and her boyfriend would not have shot at cops outside their door.



And really... what happened there? 20 shots were fired back, Brianna takes 6 of them and shitstain doesn't even get scratched? Did he use her as a human shield?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Sunday, September 27, 2020 10:11 AM

REAVERFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I'm not a fan of no knock warrants. I'm no fan of warrants in general.

In fact, I think the only thing a warrant should allow is for police to come inside to detain you ONLY if you refuse to go willingly when an arrest warrant is presented, and ONLY specifically for the purpose of getting you out of the dwelling and into custody.

But I also realize that's easier for me to say since I'm not a criminal and I've generally lived in areas with average to below average crime rates.


That being said, if anybody is really looking for an argument that is PRO no-knock warrant, I would say it's right here in front of you.

Had the police not knocked and giving warning ahead of time, Brianna and her boyfriend would not have been standing in the hallway, and her boyfriend would not have shot at cops outside their door.



And really... what happened there? 20 shots were fired back, Brianna takes 6 of them and shitstain doesn't even get scratched? Did he use her as a human shield?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Typical trumptard. It's every one else's faulty you're a dimwitted loser with no friends.



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Sunday, September 27, 2020 10:13 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I'm not a fan of no knock warrants. I'm no fan of warrants in general.

In fact, I think the only thing a warrant should allow is for police to come inside to detain you ONLY if you refuse to go willingly when an arrest warrant is presented, and ONLY specifically for the purpose of getting you out of the dwelling and into custody.

But I also realize that's easier for me to say since I'm not a criminal and I've generally lived in areas with average to below average crime rates.


That being said, if anybody is really looking for an argument that is PRO no-knock warrant, I would say it's right here in front of you.

Had the police not knocked and giving warning ahead of time, Brianna and her boyfriend would not have been standing in the hallway, and her boyfriend would not have shot at cops outside their door.



And really... what happened there? 20 shots were fired back, Brianna takes 6 of them and shitstain doesn't even get scratched? Did he use her as a human shield?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Typical trumptard. It's every one else's faulty you're a dimwitted loser with no friends.





WTF kind of reply is this, retard.



Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Sunday, September 27, 2020 12:17 PM

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5 Cops Involved in Breonna Taylor’s Case Were Also Part of a Botched Raid in 2018
The incident traumatized a family, led to zero charges, and is the subject of an ongoing lawsuit filed against the Louisville Metro Government.
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/y3zkax/5-cops-involved-in-breonna-t
aylors-case-were-also-part-of-a-botched-raid-in-2018?utm_source=reddit.com




These idiots are pure shit. They should all be in prison.



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Sunday, September 27, 2020 3:27 PM

SIGNYM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I'm not a fan of no knock warrants. I'm no fan of warrants in general.

In fact, I think the only thing a warrant should allow is for police to come inside to detain you ONLY if you refuse to go willingly when an arrest warrant is presented, and ONLY specifically for the purpose of getting you out of the dwelling and into custody.

But I also realize that's easier for me to say since I'm not a criminal and I've generally lived in areas with average to below average crime rates.


That being said, if anybody is really looking for an argument that is PRO no-knock warrant, I would say it's right here in front of you.

Had the police not knocked and giving warning ahead of time, Brianna and her boyfriend would not have been standing in the hallway, and her boyfriend would not have shot at cops outside their door.



And really... what happened there? 20 shots were fired back, Brianna takes 6 of them and shitstain doesn't even get scratched? Did he use her as a human shield?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SIX, apparently you can't read. Quick knock is like no knock. THE POLICE DON'T WAIT FOR SOMEONE TO OPEN THE DOOR. Whether they don't knock and break in, or knock and break in, is only a matter of a pro forma knock and maybe all of 10 seconds, at most.

I'm proposing that BOTH no knock AND quick knock be abolished.

If the police have a valid warrant and the residents don't open the door, they have the authority to break the door down anyway. But they must have either gotten a response from a resident or waited a sufficient amount of time to ascertain that they aren't about to get one

Yes, that gives residents a chance to set up an ambush, but that's where SWAT comes in.

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Sunday, September 27, 2020 6:43 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I'm not a fan of no knock warrants. I'm no fan of warrants in general.

In fact, I think the only thing a warrant should allow is for police to come inside to detain you ONLY if you refuse to go willingly when an arrest warrant is presented, and ONLY specifically for the purpose of getting you out of the dwelling and into custody.

But I also realize that's easier for me to say since I'm not a criminal and I've generally lived in areas with average to below average crime rates.


That being said, if anybody is really looking for an argument that is PRO no-knock warrant, I would say it's right here in front of you.

Had the police not knocked and giving warning ahead of time, Brianna and her boyfriend would not have been standing in the hallway, and her boyfriend would not have shot at cops outside their door.



And really... what happened there? 20 shots were fired back, Brianna takes 6 of them and shitstain doesn't even get scratched? Did he use her as a human shield?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SIX, apparently you can't read. Quick knock is like no knock. THE POLICE DON'T WAIT FOR SOMEONE TO OPEN THE DOOR. Whether they don't knock and break in, or knock and break in, is only a matter of a pro forma knock and maybe all of 10 seconds, at most.

I'm proposing that BOTH no knock AND quick knock be abolished.

If the police have a valid warrant and the residents don't open the door, they have the authority to break the door down anyway. But they must have either gotten a response from a resident or waited a sufficient amount of time to ascertain that they aren't about to get one

Yes, that gives residents a chance to set up an ambush, but that's where SWAT comes in.

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Had they not knocked, he wouldn't have had time to get a weapon and fire it out the door at cops. Brianna wouldn't have been standing in the hallway to be idiots meat shield either.

He got his girlfriend killed. End of story.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Sunday, September 27, 2020 7:46 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


There was no "hallway" that either Breoanna or her bf were standing in. Police battered the door down that led DIRECTLY into her apartment.

Quote:

Ms. Taylor and her boyfriend, Kenneth Walker, had been in bed, but got up when they heard a loud banging at the door. Mr. Walker said he and Ms. Taylor both called out, asking who was at the door. Mr. Walker later told the police he feared it was Ms. Taylor’s ex-boyfriend trying to break in.

After the police broke the door off its hinges, Mr. Walker fired his gun once, striking Sergeant Mattingly in a thigh. The police responded by firing several shots, striking Ms. Taylor five times.



Why do you keep harping on a scenario that never happened? If you're going to argue a point, at least start with one foot in the facts.

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