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And now for something important: the globe has an ~20% chance of hitting the global warming 1.5C target in the next 5 years

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Thursday, July 9, 2020 9:44 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

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Thursday, July 9, 2020 10:59 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Well...

You just had 3 months of China and india putting out near zero pollutants, and at least 2 months where driving anywhere in the US was a dream because nobody was on the road, and that didn't seem to help.

Looks like it's over.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, July 9, 2020 11:36 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Thanks for the bump.

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Thursday, July 9, 2020 11:42 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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No worries.

I'm just hoping The Coomph takes us out before the world lights on fire is all.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, July 9, 2020 11:58 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Oddly enough the best way to reduce the population is to improve the standard of living. It's a biological response that under stress, people have more children, rather than fewer. But under good conditions, birth rate drops - a fact bemoaned by nativists around the world who note the low birthrates of established populations in Europe and Japan.

What keeps us from improving lives and at the same time improving the environment is our economic system that doesn't fully reward people for their work, but instead siphons off their benefits to a very few in the form of profits.

You'd be better off looking for an economic paradigm shift, instead of hoping for a sub-total human extermination, whose numbers will be quickly replaced by very high birthrates in response to stress.

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Thursday, July 9, 2020 12:01 PM

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True, but also not without its consequences...



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Thursday, July 9, 2020 12:03 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


People and mice don't respond the same way.

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Thursday, July 9, 2020 12:40 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Among other things, SIX, with higher living standards and increased status for women (a society where they can gain an education, inherit and own property, and have access to birth control and abortion) women who can CHOOSE not to have children, and who have other options in their lives besides being sex objects and mothers, often choose not to have children.

It's simple, really.

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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

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Thursday, July 9, 2020 12:44 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


So what does this say to those libertarians and die-hard pro-corporatists who've been saying that we should be worried about global COOLING because the sun has reached another "Maunder minimum" (prolonged period of quietude)?

Are we seeing any global cooling yet?

HINT: No.

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Thursday, July 9, 2020 9:33 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
People and mice don't respond the same way.



Yes. Yes they do.

You haven't been paying attention to 2020, apparently.

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Thursday, July 9, 2020 11:06 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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1KIKI:
People and mice don't respond the same way.

SIX: Yes. Yes they do.
You haven't been paying attention to 2020, apparently.


No, they don't. If you knew a shred of history you'd realize that human societies learn and change over generations, unlike mice. That is why our birth rate is amenable to change with the right incentives in place... unlike mice.

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Friday, July 10, 2020 11:02 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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1KIKI:
People and mice don't respond the same way.

SIX: Yes. Yes they do.
You haven't been paying attention to 2020, apparently.


No, they don't. If you knew a shred of history you'd realize that human societies learn and change over generations, unlike mice. That is why our birth rate is amenable to change with the right incentives in place... unlike mice.

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Watch the video.

It didn't take too many generations for the entire colony to collapse on several occasions when the right conditions were met. Mice and rats are not purely instinctually driven. Especially not when forced into a confined area where they are forced to be much more social creatures than they otherwise would if allowed to roam free.

In the experiments two things happened that aren't very far removed from what is happening to humans now...

1. They reached peak capacity for the "world" they lived in.

2. They were given everything they needed to survive.


Note, that I didn't say that they were given a nice life. Just the basic necessities of food in their belly, a predator free space to live in, and and a shield from the elements.

I can guarantee you that nearly everybody that I communicate with on this board and IRL, if not all of you, do far more than "exist" and have only become accustomed to many things that you think you cannot live without and take for granted.


How do I know that? I can manage to live quite comfortably on around only $4,500 per year, and that's including property taxes and car insurance. You, yourself, have even suggested recently that I am feral.

And you're never going to hear me bitching about how shitty my life is compared to people in places like Africa and poorer areas of China where even most of them have it infinitely better than their own ancestors did.

Seriously. I know it's long, but watch the video. I think you'll actually find it quite enjoyable.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Saturday, July 11, 2020 2:44 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


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Originally posted

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Saturday, July 11, 2020 3:01 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Illegitimate argument, dummy.

I was talking to Sigs. I'm done conversing with halfwits.

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Saturday, July 11, 2020 4:09 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


You yourself pointed out one major difference between mice and humans - they're asocial, whereas humans are social. That's why under stress the human birth rates INCREASE, instead of decreasing. Humans are geared towards survival of their group in opposition to other groups. And the one way to do that in conflict is to have more people.

Another major difference is humans have language, which tells us what our reality means.

Another major difference is that humans have human-created physical accumulation over time, which shapes our societies. Our tools, our homes, our streets, etc define what we will do and how we'll live.

And so on.

There are far too many vital differences between primates and rodents to equate one with the other.




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Saturday, July 11, 2020 10:56 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:
You yourself pointed out one major difference between mice and humans - they're asocial, whereas humans are social. That's why under stress the human birth rates INCREASE, instead of decreasing. Humans are geared towards survival of their group in opposition to other groups. And the one way to do that in conflict is to have more people.



The birth rates of many animals also increase under stressful situations for the same reasons. They also decrease for many of the same reasons as well.

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Another major difference is humans have language, which tells us what our reality means.


We're able to express ourselves far better than any animals out there for sure, but that doesn't mean that mice or rats (or any other group of animals) doesn't have the ability to communicate to each other their situation or their limited scope on reality. If you saw the behavior of the raccoon family I babysat for three hours a few weeks ago, I think it would be quite eye opening for you.

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Another major difference is that humans have human-created physical accumulation over time, which shapes our societies. Our tools, our homes, our streets, etc define what we will do and how we'll live.

And so on.

There are far too many vital differences between primates and rodents to equate one with the other.




I'm not saying that HUMANS = RATS in a total and definitive sense.

But there are certainly many parallels, both on an individual basis and especially when looking at society and social behavior patterns, if given the right circumstances.


And just like you said here about humans:

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Another major difference is that humans have human-created physical accumulation over time, which shapes our societies. Our tools, our homes, our streets, etc define what we will do and how we'll live.


The mice and the rats in the experiments showed quite a bit of odd tenancies that were very atypical of their behavior in the wild when raised for generations in a finite "world" built for them where all of the basic needs for survival that they'd usually have to risk their lives for everyday were provided for them.

Especially interesting to me were the proliferation of odd behaviors to the point where those running the experiments actually put them into different named classes. It's quite possible that some of these odd behaviors do happen among the rat and mouse population given the right circumstances in the wild, but they would never be passed on and/or the ones showing the odd behaviors would die almost immediately from predators and/or they'd be outcast from their society.


I think a highlight to me in the video was the point in time during one of the experiments where they marked the death of the last "elder" male rat who was capable and/or had any desire at all to procreate.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Saturday, July 11, 2020 10:59 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Interestingly too, the experiments in the video were the inspiration for Robert C. O'Brien's "Mrs. Frisby and the Rats of NIMH", which was later adapted into the cartoon The Secret of NIMH by Don Bluth.



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Saturday, July 11, 2020 1:53 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Interestingly too, the experiments in the video were the inspiration for Robert C. O'Brien's "Mrs. Frisby and the Rats of NIMH", which was later adapted into the cartoon The Secret of NIMH by Don Bluth.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Here is a modification of the rat experiment that makes it approximately the same as what humanity is doing to itself: seal the rats into a container where no carbon dioxide leaves their breathing air. After a while, some rats die from suffocation. In the case of humans, where the container is huge, some will die of heatstroke before they suffocate. You'd think that all the humans would be willing to pay to remove CO2 from their air, but in reality only a very few pay, with the rest of humanity expecting free air.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Saturday, July 11, 2020 2:11 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


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Here is a modification of the rat experiment that makes it approximately the same as what humanity is doing to itself: seal the rats into a container where no carbon dioxide leaves their breathing air. After a while, some rats die from suffocation. In the case of humans, where the container is huge, some will die of heatstroke before they suffocate. You'd think that all the humans would be willing to pay to remove CO2 from their air, but in reality only a very few pay, with the rest of humanity expecting free air.
Actually ... not at all true. To give you a rough idea of normal CO2, atmospheric CO2 is roughly 500ppm today. When I started analyzing atmospheric CO2 (among other things) 35 years ago it was 350ppm.

In any case, the Navy is very interested in how high can they let CO2 get in the submarines, since generating oxygen is quiet and efficient, but scrubbing CO2 is noisy, bulky, and energy intensive. Results posted online have shown breathing air CO2 can go as high as 20,000ppm with no ill effects.

CO2 causes a lot of problems with global warming, ocean acidification, and other environmental problems, but suffocation isn't one of them.

Suffocation happens when oxygen is too low, or when lungs are damaged and oxygen can't pass through the alveoli into the bloodstream.




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Saturday, July 11, 2020 2:42 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
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Here is a modification of the rat experiment that makes it approximately the same as what humanity is doing to itself: seal the rats into a container where no carbon dioxide leaves their breathing air. After a while, some rats die from suffocation. In the case of humans, where the container is huge, some will die of heatstroke before they suffocate. You'd think that all the humans would be willing to pay to remove CO2 from their air, but in reality only a very few pay, with the rest of humanity expecting free air.
Actually ... not at all true. To give you a rough idea of normal CO2, atmospheric CO2 is roughly 500ppm today. When I started analyzing atmospheric CO2 (among other things) 35 years ago it was 350ppm.

In any case, the Navy is very interested in how high can they let CO2 get in the submarines, since generating oxygen is quiet and efficient, but scrubbing CO2 is noisy, bulky, and energy intensive. Results posted online have shown breathing air CO2 can go as high as 20,000ppm with no ill effects.

CO2 causes a lot of problems with global warming, ocean acidification, and other environmental problems, but suffocation isn't one of them.

Suffocation happens when oxygen is too low, or when lungs are damaged and oxygen can't pass through the alveoli into the bloodstream.

Seal humans in a world with 20,000 ppm CO2 and they will cook, but think of all the money they saved by dumping CO2 into the air for free instead of costly disposal!

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Saturday, July 11, 2020 5:13 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:
You yourself pointed out one major difference between mice and humans - they're asocial, whereas humans are social. That's why under stress the human birth rates INCREASE, instead of decreasing. Humans are geared towards survival of their group in opposition to other groups. And the one way to do that in conflict is to have more people.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
The birth rates of many animals also increase under stressful situations for the same reasons.

Generally, no. Under stress, studies indicate that birth rates of laboratory rodents goes down.
https://esajournals.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.2307/1934260
https://www.publish.csiro.au/ZO/ZO9540009
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kiki - Another major difference is humans have language, which tells us what our reality means.
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jack - We're able to express ourselves far better than any animals out there for sure, but that doesn't mean that mice or rats (or any other group of animals) doesn't have the ability to communicate to each other their situation or their limited scope on reality. If you saw the behavior of the raccoon family I babysat for three hours a few weeks ago, I think it would be quite eye opening for you.
Our language can tell people that it's far better to kill yourself than live as a disgraced person (for example). I can't think of any animal that commits socially-determined suicide besides people.
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kiki - Another major difference is that humans have human-created physical accumulation over time, which shapes our societies. Our tools, our homes, our streets, etc define what we will do and how we'll live.
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jack - I'm not saying that HUMANS = RATS in a total and definitive sense.

But there are certainly many parallels, both on an individual basis and especially when looking at society and social behavior patterns, if given the right circumstances.

Such as?
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jack - And just like you said here about humans: "kiki - Another major difference is that humans have human-created physical accumulation over time, which shapes our societies. Our tools, our homes, our streets, etc define what we will do and how we'll live."
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jack - The mice and the rats in the experiments showed quite a bit of odd tenancies that were very atypical of their behavior in the wild when raised for generations in a finite "world" built for them where all of the basic needs for survival that they'd usually have to risk their lives for everyday were provided for them.
I have to point out that laboratory rodents like rats, mice, and rabbits, have been SO highly selected and bred to 1) reduce individual differences but create distinctive strains, and 2) domesticate them to be amenable to being handled by humans, that even in basic behavior (fear of people for example) they in no way resemble their wild ancestors.
This overall domestication effect has even been observed in silver foxes bred for friendliness, and even includes changes in facial structure, fur coloration and type, body characteristics, diurnal cycles, as well as friendliness and overall behavior.
http://www.its.caltech.edu/~bio156/Papers/PDFs/Bioessays%202009%20Trut
.pdf

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/animals/2018/08/fox-dogs-wild-tame-
genetics-study-news
/
In addition, I thought I'd add that they're usually kept at sub-optimal temperatures (people-appropriate, not rodent-appropriate which would be much higher) which alone changes their behavior and physiology; and that they're usually observed, trained, and tested during the day, which is highly disruptive to normal behavior since they're nocturnal animals. What I'm saying is that highly inbred, domesticated lab rats and mice (and rabbits) don't behave like their wild ancestors in general.
Scientists can't even draw hard and fast behavior comparisons between bonobo chimps and regular chimps, that are highly related; and either or both of them compared to humans, even though those 2 species are the most closely related primates to humans.
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jack - Especially interesting to me were the proliferation of odd behaviors to the point where those running the experiments actually put them into different named classes. It's quite possible that some of these odd behaviors do happen among the rat and mouse population given the right circumstances in the wild, but they would never be passed on and/or the ones showing the odd behaviors would die almost immediately from predators and/or they'd be outcast from their society.
see above
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I think a highlight to me in the video was the point in time during one of the experiments where they marked the death of the last "elder" male rat who was capable and/or had any desire at all to procreate.
But other experiments show that when you reduce the population density, behavior in the population 'normalizes' till the density increases again.

I also want to point out some potential mechanisms for those behaviors one finds in laboratory rodents, but not in people. Neither rats nor mice control their bladders. As they run and scamper around, they piddle everywhere, leaving trails of urine. Those trails are visual and olfactory cues about where they were when, and who else was there when. In crowded conditions, those cues may be obscured under the general welter of trails, leading to overall stress. So it may not be the presence per se of other individuals, or just the presence of other individuals, but the absence of reliable markers by which they navigate physically and socially.



On the basis of one video, no, you have not proved to me that the large amount of contrary data is immaterial.




eta: So, overall, it's still true that under stress - lack of water, lack of food, overcrowding - the birth rate of animals goes down. OTOH it's been well-documented over many decades that people, under stress - war, economic uncertainty, privation - increase their birth rate; while under better conditions the birth rate goes down (the demographic transition).

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Saturday, July 11, 2020 5:44 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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You still haven't watched the video. That much is apparent from your response.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Saturday, July 11, 2020 6:31 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


https://www.gwern.net/docs/sociology/1962-calhoun.pdf

I read the paper, which had a lot more details. The environment he set up was EXTREMELY artificial, geared towards maximizing stress at every opportunity - at getting food, water, and nesting, at traversing the space (one-way-in-and-out pathways), at it's lack of environmental richness and so on. Then he failed to reproduce the worst effects of his original experiment. And finally, it was a detailed description of rat behavior. Nowhere did he draw any parallels to humans.

But he does spend a number of pages making my case for me: under stress, birth rate (or, successful birthing and weaning of offspring) goes down.

Later experiments disproved some of his original conclusions, and broke links to urban, crowded humans. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2636191/

And finally, it's a many decade-long series of HUMAN measurements that as basic physical and social living conditions go down reproduction goes up - and the other way around (demographic transition).

I'm not convinced by the experiment, since a better environment more geared towards fulfilling rat needs might have avoided the effects that were attributed to 'overcrowding'.


A couple of decades ago I read of an experiment in a Science News article called 'Drinking to Forget'. It's been observed in the wild that some elephants prefer overripe (fermented!!) fruit. So a setup was created in a zoo where subtle social stressors were put in place. As I recall, they limited to water to two small sources (there was plenty of water, it was just crowded), and similarly they limited the food to one small area (again, there was plenty but it was harder to access). Lower ranked animals had to wait their turn. BTW, this is a highly abnormal situation compared to the wild, where food and water are generally spread out and accessible to all over many locations. (This is similar to Goodall's inadvertent chimp experiment where she piled fruit in one pile unlike in the wild where ripe fruit is scattered over many trees. Goodall then spent many months observing wildly hierarchical behavior not seen anywhere else, before she realized her mistake and scattered to fruit around.) Anyway, one water source was spiked with - I can't remember if it was 3% or 5% alcohol, which is about the alcohol level in naturally fermented fruit. More of the lower ranked elephants who were under mild social stress drank more of the spiked water than the higher ranked elephants (who, iirc, didn't drink the spiked water at all).

Anyway, by creating an abnormal environment, one can create stress in animals, whether or not there's plenty of food or water or even space. So the conditions of the original rat experiment don't speak to me of stress from 'overcrowding' as much as of stress from an overall brutally designed environment geared towards maximizing all kinds of stress not related to overall numbers in the space.

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Saturday, July 11, 2020 7:16 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


https://edition.cnn.com/2020/07/07/weather/siberia-arctic-temperature-
wildfires-intl/index.html


Siberia had its warmest June ever as wildfires raged and carbon dioxide emissions surged

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Wednesday, July 29, 2020 12:11 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



Earth's climate destiny finally seen more clearly
Landmark study narrows bounds for "climate sensitivity," ruling out benign warming.


Summary

It seems like such a simple question: How hot is Earth going to get? For 40 years, climate scientists have repeated the same unsatisfying answer: If humans double atmospheric carbon dioxide from preindustrial levels, the planet will eventually warm between 1.5°C and 4.5°C—a temperature range that encompasses everything from a merely troubling rise to a catastrophic one. In a landmark effort, a team of scientists has significantly narrowed the bounds on this critical factor, known as climate sensitivity. The assessment relies on three strands of evidence: trends indicated by contemporary warming, the latest understanding of the feedback effects that can slow or accelerate climate change, and lessons from ancient climates. They support a likely warming range of between 2.6°C and 3.9°C. The work will feed into the next major U.N. report on climate change and, ultimately, inform projections of sea-level rise, economic damage, and much else.



https://science.sciencemag.org/content/369/6502/354

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Wednesday, July 29, 2020 12:41 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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My money is on global warming.



Have fun wearing the mask in 5 years when your average temp went up 10 degrees on any given day.

I will refuse then, just as I refuse today.



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Wednesday, July 29, 2020 12:47 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


And even if every old person were to die off tomorrow, it wouldn't change a thing.

Thanks for displaying your extreme double standard.


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Wednesday, July 29, 2020 12:36 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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And even if every old person were to die off tomorrow, it wouldn't change a thing.

Thanks for displaying your extreme double standard.




Still have no idea what you're talking about with the double standard thing.

At this point I'm going to assume that you have no idea what the definition of doxxing and double standards are. Just like you've already proven you have no idea what the definition of ignore is either.


But you're right. We'd need a lot more than just the old people to go if you're going to stop global warming. A lot more.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, July 29, 2020 2:54 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.




Putting you on 'ignore'.

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Wednesday, July 29, 2020 3:10 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Starting to think that Kiki doesn't know how words work.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, July 30, 2020 7:20 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.




Putting you on 'ignore'.

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Thursday, July 30, 2020 2:07 PM

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Senators Held a Bizarre Hearing About How to Solve Climate Change With More Fossil Fuels
https://earther.gizmodo.com/senators-held-a-bizarre-hearing-about-how-
to-solve-clim-1844535872


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Thursday, July 30, 2020 4:32 PM

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Originally posted by reaverfan:
Senators Held a Bizarre Hearing About How to Solve Climate Change With More Fossil Fuels
https://earther.gizmodo.com/senators-held-a-bizarre-hearing-about-how-
to-solve-clim-1844535872


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Fight Climate change with Climate Change?

Must have gotten that out of the 2020 Democrat's fight Fascism with Fascism playbook.

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