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Monday, August 19, 2019 10:32 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Oh... and in case you were wondering, the NYT decided to scrap its 1619 page. Too much wokeness and a fear of brokeness, perhaps?

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/08/14/magazine/1619-america-s
lavery.html


It doesn't work.

Thank god we have the internet archive so you can read about how 1619 was the true founding of the country...

https://web.archive.org/web/20190814050032/https://www.nytimes.com/int
eractive/2019/08/14/magazine/1619-america-slavery.html


Quote:

The 1619 Project The 1619 Project is a major initiative from The New York Times observing the 400th anniversary of the beginning of American slavery. It aims to reframe the country’s history, understanding 1619 as our true founding, and placing the consequences of slavery and the contributions of black Americans at the very center of the story we tell ourselves about who we are.




Orange Man Bad!
White Man Bad!

lol

Racists.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, August 20, 2019 3:04 AM

BRENDA


I just love how certain things in the US just shove my ancestors right off the history page.

There is now "founding" of the North American continent without my ancestors.

And I put founding in quotes because that is how I feel about that. What was new to the white man was old to us.

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Tuesday, August 20, 2019 7:12 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


History is full of mass migrations, usually prompted by scarcity. The Mongols and the Huns swept across Europe. Homo sapiens took over from Neanderthal and Denisovans, and peoples we don't even know about yet. The ORIGINAL original inhabitants of the Americas were not your ancestors but aborigines more like Australian aborigines. They were later overtaken by Asiatics (your ancestors) and killed off.

It's possible to have a "founding" of something new, even in a mileu where the old exists. You can "found" a new company in a milieu of companies. You can "found" a new nation in a milieu of older nations. "Founding" doesn't mean "found" it means "to begin for enduring existence". So "founding" is the correct term.

But in any case, blame the NYT for its selective focus on blacks in USA history.

We can't undo history. That would mean sending the Mongols back to Asia, an the Asiatics back to Siberia etc. What we CAN do is try not to repeat the same process. The world is filled up. There is no "empty" land to migrate to, and we now have worlwide knowldege of who is there before us. So, no more genocides and no more mass migrations because SOMEbody is going to get trampled in the process.


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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

You idiots have been oppressing the entire sexual spectrum as long as you have existed. I can't wait for the day your kind is dead - WISHIMAY

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Tuesday, August 20, 2019 8:21 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Oh... and in case you were wondering, the NYT decided to scrap its 1619 page. Too much wokeness and a fear of brokeness, perhaps?

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/08/14/magazine/1619-america-s
lavery.html


It doesn't work.

Thank god we have the internet archive so you can read about how 1619 was the true founding of the country...

https://web.archive.org/web/20190814050032/https://www.nytimes.com/int
eractive/2019/08/14/magazine/1619-america-slavery.html

6ix, it does work, but you need to open it in, for example Google Chrome browser, because you made too many changes in NOT saving cookies on Firefox browser in order to get around the New York Times subscription barrier.

I suggest you open an Incognito window in Chrome with this address:
www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/08/14/magazine/1619-america-slavery.h
tml


The articles are harmless:

The United States makes about nine million tons of sugar annually, ranking it sixth in global production. The United States sugar industry receives as much as $4 billion in annual subsidies in the form of price supports, guaranteed crop loans, tariffs and regulated imports of foreign sugar, which by some estimates is about half the price per pound of domestic sugar. Louisiana’s sugar-cane industry is by itself worth $3 billion, generating an estimated 16,400 jobs.

A vast majority of that domestic sugar stays in this country, with an additional two to three million tons imported each year. Americans consume as much as 77.1 pounds of sugar and related sweeteners per person per year, according to United States Department of Agriculture data. That’s nearly twice the limit the department recommends, based on a 2,000-calorie diet.

Sugar has been linked in the United States to diabetes, obesity and cancer. If it is killing all of us, it is killing black people faster. Over the last 30 years, the rate of Americans who are obese or overweight grew 27 percent among all adults, to 71 percent from 56 percent, according to the Centers for Disease Control, with African-Americans overrepresented in the national figures. During the same period, diabetes rates overall nearly tripled. Among black non-Hispanic women, they are nearly double those of white non-Hispanic women, and one and a half times higher for black men than white men.

None of this — the extraordinary mass commodification of sugar, its economic might and outsize impact on the American diet and health — was in any way foreordained, or even predictable, when Christopher Columbus made his second voyage across the Atlantic Ocean in 1493, bringing sugar-cane stalks with him from the Spanish Canary Islands. In Europe at that time, refined sugar was a luxury product, the backbreaking toil and dangerous labor required in its manufacture an insuperable barrier to production in anything approaching bulk. It seems reasonable to imagine that it might have remained so if it weren’t for the establishment of an enormous market in enslaved laborers who had no way to opt out of the treacherous work.

https://web.archive.org/web/20190814065703/https://www.nytimes.com/int
eractive/2019/08/14/magazine/sugar-slave-trade-slavery.html


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, August 20, 2019 10:32 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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I probably deviated too far from the first post with the second post.

Did anybody read about the leaked NYT meeting where Russia isn't selling papers and memberships anymore so they need to change tack and go after Trump for racism.

There was also an article the NYT put out that had a pro Trump message on it but NYT readers flamed them for it so they kept the article essentially the same but re-spun the title to instead slam trump. I'll have to dig up that article and the archived version.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, August 20, 2019 11:07 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Quote:

Originally posted by Brenda:
I just love how certain things in the US just shove my ancestors right off the history page.

There is now "founding" of the North American continent without my ancestors.

And I put founding in quotes because that is how I feel about that. What was new to the white man was old to us.



For lack of a better word, this is problematic.

"History" is written and taught by the winners. This is also problematic.


I've talked in here before about how much I resent my education, and I can't quite decide what I resent more. Is it the fact that 12 years of school in America squanders youth and hardly teaches you anything valuable for being a self sufficient adult, going so far as to teach an outdated system of measurement that cripples the minds of the students in a global economy? Or is it that we can't believe anything we read about our so-called past because it was written like a Cohen Brother's movie only following actual events in the loosest terms possible but told as if it were the Truth.


I mean, I understand why they would do this... regarding "History", not the crippling of the minds of the youth through bad math.

But if you're going to teach millions of kids a lie while they're growing up, you better goddamned well keep that lie going. Otherwise, you get millions of adults who don't believe in anything anymore. It's like finding out that Santa Claus isn't real and your parents lied to you.


So the period of white-washing history in America is over. Post white-washing, we're going to see black-washing that is no doubt going to be laced with a lot of anti-white propaganda that I feel will only strengthen the divide between cultures in the US.

And yes, it does appear that we'll be completely ignoring the natives again in this new phase of re-writing the history books. Because the cold hard facts are there aren't enough of them still here to matter to the powers that be, and most of the states they live in their votes essentially do not matter.




I don't know what the answer is.

Anything we write and teach is going to be lies, no matter who writes it and who teaches it.

In light of that, why don't we just fabricate something nice that makes everybody look good?

I mean, we'll know that it's bullshit, but maybe our great-grandchildren won't.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, August 20, 2019 11:46 AM

BRENDA


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by Brenda:
I just love how certain things in the US just shove my ancestors right off the history page.

There is now "founding" of the North American continent without my ancestors.

And I put founding in quotes because that is how I feel about that. What was new to the white man was old to us.



For lack of a better word, this is problematic.

"History" is written and taught by the winners. This is also problematic.


I've talked in here before about how much I resent my education, and I can't quite decide what I resent more. Is it the fact that 12 years of school in America squanders youth and hardly teaches you anything valuable for being a self sufficient adult, going so far as to teach an outdated system of measurement that cripples the minds of the students in a global economy? Or is it that we can't believe anything we read about our so-called past because it was written like a Cohen Brother's movie only following actual events in the loosest terms possible but told as if it were the Truth.


I mean, I understand why they would do this... regarding "History", not the crippling of the minds of the youth through bad math.

But if you're going to teach millions of kids a lie while they're growing up, you better goddamned well keep that lie going. Otherwise, you get millions of adults who don't believe in anything anymore. It's like finding out that Santa Claus isn't real and your parents lied to you.


So the period of white-washing history in America is over. Post white-washing, we're going to see black-washing that is no doubt going to be laced with a lot of anti-white propaganda that I feel will only strengthen the divide between cultures in the US.

And yes, it does appear that we'll be completely ignoring the natives again in this new phase of re-writing the history books. Because the cold hard facts are there aren't enough of them still here to matter to the powers that be, and most of the states they live in their votes essentially do not matter.




I don't know what the answer is.

Anything we write and teach is going to be lies, no matter who writes it and who teaches it.

In light of that, why don't we just fabricate something nice that makes everybody look good?

I mean, we'll know that it's bullshit, but maybe our great-grandchildren won't.

Do Right, Be Right. :)



Known for years that history is written by the victors.

And on the other side we are still here but we just don't have a loud enough voice and we aren't visible enough in white society to count.

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Tuesday, August 20, 2019 12:06 PM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

... stay crunchy...


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I probably deviated too far from the first post with the second post.

Did anybody read about the leaked NYT meeting where Russia isn't selling papers and memberships anymore so they need to change tack and go after Trump for racism.

There was also an article the NYT put out that had a pro Trump message on it but NYT readers flamed them for it so they kept the article essentially the same but re-spun the title to instead slam trump. I'll have to dig up that article and the archived version.




F*cksake - it never ceases to amaze me at how ignorant people are when it comes to HOW media works.. First it was Signuts, then Kiki and now you (though you 3 are not alone). It's like, "Huh? It's not fair? Money? What?"

You even quoted the big clue: "...Russia isn't selling papers..."

GUESS WHAT? Here's where your brain locks up: what they said doesn't mean Russia is fake or didn't happen or Trump isn't Putin's c-holster. It means it's not selling papers. Just what they said. Further, it means: they are a business and need to make money in this super competitive gig-economy where's there's even more players. Russia isn't the only story, right?

Let me know when you understand that basic principle and I'll blow your mind with how it connects to what you call "censorship." Unless of course you can figure it out on your own.

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Tuesday, August 20, 2019 12:17 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Quote:

Originally posted by Brenda:

Known for years that history is written by the victors.

And on the other side we are still here but we just don't have a loud enough voice and we aren't visible enough in white society to count.



Not just white society anymore, Brenda, was my point.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, August 20, 2019 12:39 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:

F*cksake - it never ceases to amaze me at how ignorant people are when it comes to HOW media works.. First it was Signuts, then Kiki and now you (though you 3 are not alone). It's like, "Huh? It's not fair? Money? What?"

You even quoted the big clue: "...Russia isn't selling papers..."

GUESS WHAT? Here's where your brain locks up: what they said doesn't mean Russia is fake or didn't happen or Trump isn't Putin's c-holster. It means it's not selling papers. Just what they said. Further, it means: they are a business and need to make money in this super competitive gig-economy where's there's even more players. Russia isn't the only story, right?

Let me know when you understand that basic principle and I'll blow your mind with how it connects to what you call "censorship." Unless of course you can figure it out on your own.



No shit, sherlock.

This somehow makes things okay in your pea brain?

Journalism is dead. It has been since they began catering to an audience and editorializing the fuck out of everything and conveniently leaving out, yanno, the facts, because they get in the way of subscriptions. On top of this, they don't even bother to let you know that these pieces are editorial opinion pieces and they present them to their idiot readers as factual.

This is why you'll get two entirely different bullshit stories of an event after the fact if you read about them on CNN and Fox News.

The journalistic integrity of the people working for these sham outfits is on par with celebrity trash rags.


You might be okay with this. I'm not.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, August 20, 2019 12:54 PM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

... stay crunchy...


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
No shit, sherlock.



So why are your feelz so out of joint? Did mommy promise you something else?

Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
This somehow makes things okay in your pea brain?



What "things" geenious.

Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Journalism is dead.



lol When was the last time you even read a paper? Or an article in a paper. Did you even read the article you linked?

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
On top of this, they don't even bother to let you know that these pieces are editorial opinion pieces and they present them to their idiot readers as factual.

This is why you'll get two entirely different bullshit stories of an event after the fact if you read about them on CNN and Fox News.



It's really easy: One's the truth and the other is Fox's.

Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
The journalistic integrity of the people working for these sham outfits is on par with celebrity trash rags.
You might be okay with this. I'm not.



Nap time for 6!

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Tuesday, August 20, 2019 1:03 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:

It's really easy: One's the truth and the other is Fox's.



Idiot quote of the year.

Congrats.


This is what we're dealing with here folks.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, August 20, 2019 1:18 PM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

... stay crunchy...


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Idiot quote of the year.



Just for you.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
This is what we're dealing with here folks.



So when was the last time you read a newspaper?

Did you even read the article that you posted?

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Tuesday, August 20, 2019 3:50 PM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


6ix wrote: “If you're wondering why Russia died and is replaced with Racism”
The NYTimes also did stories on Trump’s tax cheating.

Trump has said he paid all his taxes. The NYTimes looked into Trump’s taxes. He Cheated. Did the IRS investigate based on what the Times discovered? The IRS Did Not. What should the NYTimes do? Make it a headline 7 days a week for the next 6 months that "Trump Falsely Claims He Paid All His Taxes When The Times Knows He Cheated"? That kind of headline would make it very clear what Trump has done.

But is it the job of the NYTimes to prosecute Trump for tax cheating when the IRS won’t do its job? Nope, the NYTimes does only the news. It does not enforce the law. And it won’t keep reporting the same story over and over that Trump Cheated.

Does that mean Trump is not a tax-cheating crook? Trump thinks it does. And gullible fools who are voters might believe Trump is not a crook because he wasn’t convicted. Except he is still a crook. He is a crook that wasn’t even investigated by the IRS to prove it. There is no way for the NYTimes to force the IRS to investigate. That is not the NYTimes’ job. The NYTimes is not that powerful.

Trump Engaged in Suspect Tax Schemes as He Reaped Riches
www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/10/02/us/politics/donald-trump-tax-sc
hemes-fred-trump.html

Oct 2, 2018 President Trump participated in dubious tax schemes during the 1990s,...

Decade in the Red: Trump Tax Figures Show Over $1 Billion in Losses www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/05/07/us/politics/donald-trump-taxes.
html

May 7, 2019 - Donald J. Trump in 1986, during a tumultuous period of his career marked by... But 10 years of tax information obtained by The New York Times paints a .... in dubious tax schemes, including instances of outright fraud.

Trump Is a Bad Businessman. Is He a Tax Cheat, Too?
www.nytimes.com/2019/05/09/opinion/trump-tax-returns.html
May 10, 2019 - His former attorney Michael Cohen effectively suggested during his congressional testimony that Mr. Trump engaged in tax fraud ...

11 Takeaways From The Times's Investigation Into Trump's Wealth
www.nytimes.com/2018/10/02/us/politics/donald-trump-wealth-fred-trump.
html

Oct 2, 2018 President Trump received today's equivalent of over $400 million from the real estate empire of... But an investigation by The New York Times has revealed that Donald Trump ...

A Former Business Partner Alleges the Trumps Evaded Taxes in Panama
www.nytimes.com/2019/06/03/business/trump-panama-hotel-tax-evasion.htm
l

Jun 3, 2019 - The owners of a luxury hotel in Panama City that ousted the Trump Organization as property managers last year accused it on Monday of…

As the Trumps Dodged Taxes, Their Tenants Paid a Price
www.nytimes.com/2018/12/15/us/politics/trump-tenants-taxes.html

When Trump's tax cheating goes to trial, there will be another NYTimes story. But the NYTimes has to wait for the IRS to get its ass in gear before writing that story.

When Trump is found guilty, there will be another NYTimes story. The NYTimes already knows Trump is as guilty as hell today, but it has to wait for the jury to decide sometime in the distant future before writing the story.

When Trump appeals his conviction, there will be another NYTimes story.

When Trump pays or goes to jail for tax evasion, there will be another NYTimes story.

The NYTimes can't write the story before the IRS makes it happen and the Times can't force the IRS to take action.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, August 20, 2019 6:11 PM

BRENDA


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by Brenda:

Known for years that history is written by the victors.

And on the other side we are still here but we just don't have a loud enough voice and we aren't visible enough in white society to count.



Not just white society anymore, Brenda, was my point.

Do Right, Be Right. :)



True enough Jack. True enough.

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Tuesday, August 20, 2019 6:18 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


If you're wondering why Russia died and is replaced with Muh Racisim...

Well, I just assumed it was because the Mueller report didn't work out the way it was 'supposed' to. That kinda let the air outa all the tires.

So what's a major media outlet like the NYTimes supposed to do when a multi-year story they've been focusing on doesn't have a sequel?
Quote:

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/08/new-york-times-meeting-tra
nscript.html

The closest Baquet came to identifying a moment when the paper had misjudged current events was when he described it as being “a little tiny bit flat-footed” after the Mueller investigation ended. “Our readers who want Donald Trump to go away suddenly thought, ‘Holy shit, Bob Mueller is not going to do it,’” Baquet said. (Baquet - executive editor of The New York Times)

What does "misjudged current events" mean? Delving into the story, I got that they built their newsroom to be full of wonks who could follow every little bit of minutia (imo sometimes of non-events, rumors, leaks, speculations, and opinions) ... to report on 'collusion' endlessly.
Quote:

Dean Baquet: [...] We had a couple of significant missteps [...] It got trickier after [inaudible] … went from being a story about whether the Trump campaign had colluded with Russia and obstruction of justice [...] We built our newsroom to cover one story, and we did it truly well.

I have a problem with that description of the newsroom they built, and that is that it's editorializing what's supposed to be news by focusing on particular stories with a particular POV while ignoring / being silent on other equally important stories (like hey! what's going on in the rest of the world?), and excluding refuting / debunking news.
BTW, it's for that reason that I scan foreign news online. The myopic focus of the NYTimes and the WaPo on how Trump had / could have colluded with Russia not only slanted their 'news' on that topic, but drove out other equally, or more important, news.


But that's old news, so to speak. This current kerfuffle as far as I can tell, happened because of the headline "TRUMP URGES UNITY VS. RACISM".

Quote:

Dean Baquet: Now we have to regroup, and shift resources and emphasis to take on a different story.
And what is their new focus?
Quote:

By this account, the question of how to address presidential racism was a newly emerged one, something *the paper would need to pivot into*.
So we 'pivot' from automatically assuming that Trump colluded with Russia to automatically assuming he's racist?
Quote:

Dean Baquet: [...] this one is a story about what it means to be an American in 2019. It is a story that requires deep investigation into people who peddle hatred, but it is also a story that requires imaginative use of all our muscles to write about race and class in a deeper way than we have in years. [...] We’ll also ask reporters to write more deeply about the country, race, and other divisions. I really want your help in navigating this story.
DOOD! Does that include economically marginalized deplorables in flyover country? Does it examine an economic system that's built on people having to compete with each other for survival? Maybe ...
Quote:

Dean Baquet: [...] that means trying to understand the segment of America that probably does not read us. The same newspaper that can publish a major story on Fox News [...] also has to talk to people who think immigration may cost them jobs and who oppose abortion on religious grounds.
Perhaps this is a small moment of genuine self-reflection at the Times.



But getting back to the headline that appears to be the cause of all this: "TRUMP URGES UNITY VS. RACISM". Apparently there was A LOT of pushback about the headline because people wanted to point out that Trump was a racist and didn't mean what he said. (It's hard to say. This was apparently sparked by a tweet from a WaPo editor, but a lot of this appears to have gone down on Twitter between NYTimes staffers. And there were no quotes of even pivotal tweets.) Perhaps they wanted it to read something like "RACIST TRUMP URGES UNITY VS. RACISM". But the agita of the critics I think is summarized by this quote from a staffer
Quote:

What I have heard from top leadership is a conservative approach that I don’t think honors the Times’ powerful history of adversarial journalism. I think that the NYT’s leadership, perhaps in an effort to preserve the institution of the Times, is allowing itself to be boxed in and hamstrung. This obviously applies to the race coverage. The headline represented utter denial, unawareness of what we can all observe with our eyes and ears.
Hm.


Is Trump racist against Hispanics? Or Hispanic 'migrants'? By the reporting of the media, it's really hard to tell what he said during his campaign that might be construed as racist, and btw it was difficult to find this full quote.
Quote:

http://www.newstandardpress.com/trump-mexicans-and-the-media/
MEDIA MEME: In his first campaign speech, Trump said that all Mexicans are rapists.
WHAT REALLY HAPPENED: Trump said no such thing. But many reporters, news commentators, and political pundits said it frequently.

"Mexico is pushing some of its people into the US; not its best people, but people with lots of problems. Presumably some of them are good people, but others bring drugs, crime, or have been convicted of committing acts of sexual aggression, at least according to some US border guards."

This is what Vox said about it.
Quote:

https://www.vox.com/2016/7/25/12270880/donald-trump-racist-racism-hist
ory

On the campaign trail, Trump repeatedly made explicitly racist and otherwise bigoted remarks, from calling Mexican immigrants criminals and rapists ...


The 'Muslim ban' on the campaign trail ...
Quote:

“Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country’s representatives can figure out what is going on”.
“Look, we have to stop with political correctness. We have to get down to creating a country that’s not going to have the kind of problems that we’ve had with people flying planes into the World Trade Centers, with the — with the shootings in California, with all the problems all over the world. … We have to find out what’s going on.”
“It’s a temporary ban. It hasn’t been called for yet, nobody’s done it.
“This is just a suggestion until we find out what’s going on.”
“I called for a ban after San Bernardino and was met with great scorn and anger. But now … many are saying that I was right to do so. And although the pause is temporary, we must find out what is going on. We have to do it. It will be lifted, this ban, when and as a nation we’re in a position to properly and perfectly screen these people coming into our country.”
“We must suspend immigration from regions linked with terrorism until a proven vetting method is in place.”

These quotes don't speak to me of a permanent, abiding hatred of Muslims, but a temporary measure "until our country’s representatives can figure out what is going on", for security reasons. And apparently they did 'figure things out' and decided on enhanced screening of people from countries with high levels of jihadist terrorism. But when Trump came out with that - enhanced screening for people from countries with high level jihadist terrorism (Executive Order 13769 January 27, 2017) (which after several iterations survived the Supreme Court) - it didn't stop the media from endlessly berating the "Muslim ban" and claiming Trump was Islamophobic.

This is a small sampling from the NYTimes ...
How Trump Is Stealthily Carrying Out His Muslim Ban
The Social Scientific Case Against a Muslim Ban
Hawaii Judge Extends Order Blocking Trump’s Travel Ban (the revised ban is a like a neon sign flashing 'Muslim ban, Muslim ban')
What Islamophobic Politicians Can Learn From Mormons
Donald Trump’s Muslim Ban Is Cowardly and Dangerous
The Supreme Court’s Options in the Travel Ban Case ("Again and again, our courts have found that President Trump's Muslim ban is unconstitutional".)
The Trump Administration Is Making a Mockery of the Supreme Court (the Muslim ban cannot be cured of its discriminatory intent)
It’s All Rooted in White Panic (... the Muslim ban ...)

from US media ...
Commentary: Two years after Muslim ban, Utah remains a bright spot of tolerance - Salt Lake Tribune
Trump's Muslim Ban Is Working. Muslim Immigration Slumps - Newsweek

and globally ...
How Long Can The Courts Keep Donald Trump’s Muslim Ban At Bay? - The Intercept
Trump’s Muslim Ban Is Culmination of War on Terror Mentality but Still Uniquely Shameful - The Intercept

This is what I have time for, but it speaks to me of a slanted media selection from a particular POV, including at the NYTimes.

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:

So what's a major media outlet like the NYTimes supposed to do when a multi-year story they've been focusing on doesn't have a sequel?

This happens with every story. Republicans have been whining about it and at war with the media since Vice President Spiro Agnew complained that the media are “nattering nabobs of negativity”.
www.inquirer.com/philly/blogs/attytood/Nabobs_natter_about_the_passing
_of_William_Safire_1929-2009.html


What was Agnew’s real problem? He was taking bribes while he was Vice President. He was not paying his income tax. He attacked the media, which was reporting on his bribes and his tax cheating. Agnew had been taking bribes since 1967, but it wasn’t until 1981 that he was convicted. Trump’s conviction will be just as slow and uncertain as Agnew’s. Here is the story, from the NYTimes:

A Maryland judge ruled today (April 28, 1981) that, despite his years of denials, Spiro T. Agnew took thousands of dollars in bribes from contractors while he was Governor of Maryland and Vice President.

The judge then ordered Mr. Agnew to repay the state $147,500 in kickbacks, with interest of $101,235, for a total of $248,735, money that Judge Bruce C. Williams of the Anne Arundel County Circuit Court held ''belongs to the people of Maryland.''

Mr. Agnew, now an international trade consultant in California, was not subpoenaed for the four-day civil trial because his lawyer, T. Rogers Harrison, announced that, if summoned, his client would invoke the Fifth Amendment protection against giving self-incriminating testimony. But the lawyer said today an appeal would be filed.
www.nytimes.com/1981/04/28/us/court-says-agnew-took-bribes-orders-repa
yment.html


The Times does not mention that Spiro Agnew resigned from the Vice Presidency in 1973 because of this crime, but he was not convicted until 1981. If Agnew had not been forced to resign, Agnew would have succeeded Nixon as President. Nixon did not wait for a judge to rule 8 years later that Agnew was guilty before Nixon booted Agnew out. Agnew may be "presumed innocent until proven guilty", but he was completely guilty in 1973, just as in 1981, after his trial.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spiro_Agnew#Criminal_investigation_and_r
esignation


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Tuesday, August 20, 2019 7:11 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Addresses nothing that's salient.

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Tuesday, August 20, 2019 7:33 PM

SIGNYM

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Carried over from the "Democrats Only" thread


Quote:


Okay, so humor me because I haven't been participating in this thread, but tell me: What "racist attacks" has Trump been participating in? - SIGNY

Must be a slow day at the Sniglets household.- CC

So, you got nothing.
NEXT ...? - SIGNY

No really - we posted a link (maybe even the bulk of the article) that had reference's to instances of Trump's racism. I believe you even posted in that thread....? So yeah, must be a slow day at your ranch to want to repeat things.- CC



You and SECONDRATE post so much bullshit my eyes kinda glaze over. For example, you posted that the NYT publishes what sells, and then you post that the NYT publishes facts. SECONDRATE gets all twisted that what Trump tweets cranks up the crazy, and then not two days later says it doesn't matter what crazy people think. Given your history of posting lies, ad hominens, red herrings, and contradictions, why should I bother to look into each one of your posts in detail? No reason whatsoever, as far as I can tell.

So here's the challenge: Please come up with a CONVINCING story or link that demonstrates Trump's "racism". If you think that particular link was especially juicy please re-post it because I'm not about to go thru all the shit that you've flung against the wall to find one potential gem. So, yanno, dig it up.

And if you don't post anything particularly relevant I'll just have to assume there's nothing relevant to post.



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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Addresses nothing that's salient.

You are an idiot. The New York Times knew about Vice President Agnew's bribery and tax cheating before Agnew resigned. Eight years passed between Agnew's resignation forced by Nixon (not forced by the NYTimes) and Agnew's conviction in 1981. The New York Times has known about Trump's tax cheating since 2018. The Times did a story on Trump's cheating. How many years after Trump leaves office until Trump is finally convicted and can start the appeals process? The Times does not know, but they do know Trump cheated on his taxes, same as Agnew cheated.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, August 20, 2019 7:39 PM

SIGNYM

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Just the way that the media framed the "Muslim ban" ... it wasn't about banning Muslims. It was about banning people traveling from failed states which couldn't establish identity sufficiently in order to generate valid passports, because state offices and records had been destroyed. (Because we destroyed them but who's counting?)

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Tuesday, August 20, 2019 7:44 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
You are an idiot. The New York Times knew about Vice President Agnew's bribery and tax cheating before Agnew resigned. Eight years passed between Agnew's resignation forced by Nixon (not forced by the NYTimes) and Agnew's conviction in 1981. The New York Times has known about Trump's tax cheating since 2018. The Times did a story on Trump's cheating. How many years after Trump leaves office until Trump is finally convicted and can start the appeals process? The Times does not know, but they do know Trump cheated on his taxes, same as Agnew cheated.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Addresses nothing that's salient ... Russia Racism

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Tuesday, August 20, 2019 8:17 PM

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:

Addresses nothing that's salient ... Russia Racism

It is not a crime to be racist, but is a good reason to not vote for Trump. People who are the same color as Trump can convince themselves he is not a racist, but people who aren't, can't. As for Russia, Trump wants to take all the credit for winning in 2016 for himself and no credit given to Russia. If you voted for Trump, you might want to do the same. If you didn't vote for him, you might believe that Russians did interfere with the election because there are reports that Russians did, but it is no crime not read those reports. Here is one to not read, if you are so inclined :

Report Of The Select Committee On Intelligence
United States Senate On Russian Active Measures Campaigns And Interference In The 2016 U.S. Election -- Volume 1: Russian Efforts Against Election Infrastructure
www.npr.org/2019/07/25/745351734/read-senate-intelligence-report-on-ru
ssian-interference-in-the-2016-election


Another:

The Mueller Report Is Embarrassing for Trump.
https://time.com/5573537/mueller-report-russia-election-interference/
Did those Russian efforts actually swing the outcome of the 2016 contest? It is perhaps no surprise that Mueller’s report does not attempt to answer this politically charged issue. Quantifying the impact of Russia’s influence operation is extremely difficult, as well as outside the core of the special counsel’s mandate.

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Tuesday, August 20, 2019 8:29 PM

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Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


The other link Jack posted has to do with what is claimed is the new goal for the NYTimes (with selected quotes from the longer group meeting story to buttress its claims):
Quote:

(abbreviated quotes from the article to provide a summary / see the entire article for more information)

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/new-goal-for-new
-york-times-reframe-american-history-and-target-trump-too


Another, more concise statement from the Times: "The goal of The 1619 Project is to reframe American history."

This quote isn't found in the NYTimes staffer meeting notes, it comes instead from the NYTimes MAGAZINE https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/08/14/magazine/1619-america-s
lavery.html
whose full text is this: "The 1619 Project The 1619 Project is a major initiative from The New York Times observing the 400th anniversary of the beginning of American slavery. It aims to reframe the country’s history, understanding 1619 as our true founding, and placing the consequences of slavery and the contributions of black Americans at the very center of the story we tell ourselves about who we are."
Quote:



The basic thrust of the 1619 Project is that everything in American history is explained by slavery and race.

The [1619 Project] essays go on to cover the economy ("If you want to understand the brutality of American capitalism, you have to start on the plantation."), the food we eat ("The sugar that saturates the American diet has a barbaric history as the 'white gold' that fueled slavery."), the nation's physical health ("Why doesn't the United States have universal healthcare? The answer begins with policies enacted after the Civil War."), politics ("America holds onto an undemocratic assumption from its founding: that some people deserve more power than others."), daily life ("What does a traffic jam in Atlanta have to do with segregation? Quite a lot.") ...

A major goal of the 1619 Project is to take the reframing message to schools. The Times has joined an organization ... to create a 1619 Project curriculum. "Here you will find reading guides, activities, and other resources to bring The 1619 Project into your classroom," the center says in a message to teachers.

The project rollout just happened to come at the same time as the leak of a transcript of a Times employee town hall in which the paper's executive editor, Dean Baquet, discussed his "vision" of making race the central theme of Times coverage for the remaining two years of President Trump's term in office.

"We built our newsroom to cover one story," Baquet said ... "Now we have to regroup," Baquet told the staff, "and shift resources and emphasis to take on a different story."

That different story is race — and Trump. "We've got to change," Baquet said. "I mean, the vision for coverage for the next two years is what I talked about earlier: How do we cover a guy who makes these kinds of remarks? How do we cover the world's reaction to him? How do we do that while continuing to cover his policies? How do we cover America, that's become so divided by Donald Trump?"

"I'm wondering to what extent you think that the fact of racism and white supremacy being sort of the foundation of this country should play into our reporting?" one staffer asked Baquet.

"One reason we all signed off on The 1619 Project and made it so ambitious and expansive was to teach our readers to think a little bit more like that," Baquet said. "Race in the next year ... is going to be a huge part of the American story. And I mean, race in terms of not only African Americans and their relationship with Donald Trump, but Latinos and immigration."

I did check these quotes against the meeting notes, and they're accurate, in-context, in-order (from question to related answer), though selective.

If this article is true, it does represent a major 'pivot' of the NYTimes from RUSSIA!! to RACISM!!, and imo a(nother) highly editorialized version of the news.

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:

If this article is true, it does represent a major 'pivot' of the NYTimes from RUSSIA!! to RACISM!!, and imo a(nother) highly editorialized version of the news.

The sugar that saturates the American diet has a barbaric history as the ‘white gold’ that fueled slavery.
https://web.archive.org/web/20190814065703/https://www.nytimes.com/int
eractive/2019/08/14/magazine/sugar-slave-trade-slavery.html


Sometimes black cane workers resisted collectively by striking during planting and harvesting time — threatening to ruin the crop. Wages and working conditions occasionally improved. But other times workers met swift and violent reprisals. After a major labor insurgency in 1887, led by the Knights of Labor, a national union, at least 30 black people — some estimated hundreds — were killed in their homes and on the streets of Thibodaux, La. “I think this will settle the question of who is to rule, the nigger or the white man, for the next 50 years,” a local white planter’s widow, Mary Pugh, wrote, rejoicing, to her son.

In 1942, the Department of Justice began a major investigation into the recruiting practices of one of the largest sugar producers in the nation, the United States Sugar Corporation, a South Florida company. Black men unfamiliar with the brutal nature of the work were promised seasonal sugar jobs at high wages, only to be forced into debt peonage, immediately accruing the cost of their transportation, lodging and equipment — all for $1.80 a day. One man testified that the conditions were so bad, “It wasn’t no freedom; it was worse than the pen.” Federal investigators agreed. When workers tried to escape, the F.B.I. found, they were captured on the highway or “shot at while trying to hitch rides on the sugar trains.” The company was indicted by a federal grand jury in Tampa for “carrying out a conspiracy to commit slavery,” wrote Alec Wilkinson, in his 1989 book, “Big Sugar: Seasons in the Cane Fields of Florida.” (The indictment was ultimately quashed on procedural grounds.) A congressional investigation in the 1980s found that sugar companies had systematically tried to exploit seasonal West Indian workers to maintain absolute control over them with the constant threat of immediately sending them back to where they came from.

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Tuesday, August 20, 2019 10:22 PM

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Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


But the US was hardly the only or even the first country in the sugar market and sugar slavery (the Caribbean, Brazil), many disparate disadvantaged people have been historically mistreated and cheated in US agriculture (like the Chinese on Hawaiian sugar plantations and Hispanics of today), and black US slaves and freedmen / freedwomen weren't the only victims of it. To focus an entire history of racism on a story of black (but nobody else) Americans (but no other country) in US sugar production (but no other arena) (The sugar that saturates the American diet has a barbaric history as *THE* ‘white gold’ that fueled slavery) is misleading, at best.

That's my objection to it - it's slant.


http://clements.umich.edu/exhibits/online/sugarexhibit/sugar06.php
Manufactured goods were traded to the West African coast for slaves, who were shipped to the sugar colonies (the infamous middle passage) and sugar, molasses, and rum were shipped from the islands to England.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sugar_plantations_in_the_Caribbean

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sugar_plantations_in_Hawaii
https://encyclopedia.densho.org/Plantations/

https://www.lib.umn.edu/bell/tradeproducts/sugar
Brazil and the West Indies

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Tuesday, August 20, 2019 10:24 PM

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And btw, the US has many sins to answer for besides sugar ... that amazingly don't involve slaves. Or blacks. Or even humans.

"The 1619 Project

The 1619 Project is a major initiative from The New York Times observing the 400th anniversary of the beginning of American slavery. It aims to reframe the country’s history, understanding 1619 as our true founding, and placing the consequences of slavery and the contributions of black Americans at the very center of the story we tell ourselves about who we are."

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Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:
But the US was hardly the only or even the first country in the sugar market and sugar slavery (the Caribbean, Brazil), many disparate disadvantaged people have been historically mistreated and cheated in US agriculture (like the Chinese on Hawaiian sugar plantations and Hispanics of today), and black US slaves and freedmen / freedwomen weren't the only victims of it. To focus an entire history of racism on a story of black (but nobody else) Americans (but no other country) in US sugar production (but no other arena) (The sugar that saturates the American diet has a barbaric history as *THE* ‘white gold’ that fueled slavery) is misleading, at best.

That's my objection to it - it's slant.


http://clements.umich.edu/exhibits/online/sugarexhibit/sugar06.php
Manufactured goods were traded to the West African coast for slaves, who were shipped to the sugar colonies (the infamous middle passage) and sugar, molasses, and rum were shipped from the islands to England.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sugar_plantations_in_the_Caribbean

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sugar_plantations_in_Hawaii
https://encyclopedia.densho.org/Plantations/

https://www.lib.umn.edu/bell/tradeproducts/sugar
Brazil and the West Indies

What the NYTimes is doing is NOT a world history of slavery. It is a history of America that studiously includes slavery, rather than hand-waving it into insignificance with “slavery is a human sin, not a uniquely American one”.

The question of whether particular histories are positive or negative about “America” is hard to contest from an academic historian’s perspective, because the real answer, for most academic historians (and maybe a lot of people?), is a big shrug. For most historians, it’s just not interesting to think of history as a place you go to feel good, or bad, about America. “America” is so big, and so complex. Patriotism might be a side effect, but it’s not the point of historical study.

That’s why an alternative vision of patriotism, like the one that Nikole Hannah-Jones articulated in the 1619 Project’s opening essay — “Black Americans . . . have served, generation after generation, in an overlooked but vital role: It is we who have been the perfecters of this democracy” — is so valuable. This is a complex and yet immediately legible argument, expressed as public history, buttressed in the package by other arguments that are in turn informed by years of academic historical work. It is the “realest” sort of history, the kind that enriches articles and exhibits and historic sites with new information about the daily lives and struggles of non-elite people and minority groups. And the good news is, even if it’s giving some conservatives heartburn, plenty of readers seem ready to eat it up.

Conservative uproar over the New York Times’ 1619 Project is just the most recent clash in a decades-old battle over how we should understand American history.

More at https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/08/1619-project-conservative-
backlash-history-wars.html


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Wednesday, August 21, 2019 1:09 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by second:
What the NYTimes is doing is NOT a world history of slavery. It is a history of America that studiously includes slavery, rather than hand-waving it into insignificance with “slavery is a human sin, not a uniquely American one”.

No, THIS is what the NYTimes is doing -
Quote:

The 1619 Project

The 1619 Project (named may I point out for the introduction of African slaves onto the American continent) is a major initiative from The New York Times observing the 400th anniversary of the beginning of American slavery. It aims to reframe the country’s history, understanding 1619 as our TRUE founding, and placing the consequences of slavery and the contributions of black Americans at the very CENTER of the story we tell ourselves about who we are.

I'm sure the many displaced, disadvantaged groups would beg to differ that blacks and only blacks belong in the circle of those who were uniquely sinned against in American history.

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Wednesday, August 21, 2019 1:27 AM

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Carried over from the "Democrats Only" thread
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Okay, so humor me because I haven't been participating in this thread, but tell me: What "racist attacks" has Trump been participating in? - SIGNY

Must be a slow day at the Sniglets household.- CC

So, you got nothing.
NEXT ...? - SIGNY

No really - we posted a link (maybe even the bulk of the article) that had reference's to instances of Trump's racism. I believe you even posted in that thread....? So yeah, must be a slow day at your ranch to want to repeat things.- CC

You and SECONDRATE post so much bullshit my eyes kinda glaze over. For example, you posted that the NYT publishes what sells, and then you post that the NYT publishes facts. SECONDRATE gets all twisted that what Trump tweets cranks up the crazy, and then not two days later says it doesn't matter what crazy people think. Given your history of posting lies, ad hominens, red herrings, and contradictions, why should I bother to look into each one of your posts in detail? No reason whatsoever, as far as I can tell.

So here's the challenge: Please come up with a CONVINCING story or link that demonstrates Trump's "racism". If you think that particular link was especially juicy please re-post it because I'm not about to go thru all the shit that you've flung against the wall to find one potential gem. So, yanno, dig it up.

And if you don't post anything particularly relevant I'll just have to assume there's nothing relevant to post.- SIGNY

Apparently nothing relevant to post.

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Apparently nothing relevant to post.

Apparently, you will never understand that white people who work at crappy jobs will be paid crappy. I could have stayed working at Burger King, like my father. My income would always have been close to minimum wage. It does not matter how many factories Trump shuts down in China or how many illegal aliens Trump deports to Mexico because crappy jobs will be paid crappy. The GOP has not voted for a raise in minimum wages. That party wants it that way. That party has not voted for health care for people working in crappy jobs. That's how the GOP wants it. But fortunately there is only a limited number of those crappy minimum wage jobs, which leaves millions unemployed and the GOP is very generous with the unemployed. Oh, my mistake. The unemployed are treated worse by the GOP than those employed in minimum wage jobs. That is how the GOP wants it.

Most U.S. jobs pay under $20 an hour
https://money.cnn.com/interactive/economy/us-jobs-wages/

Deporting all the illegals working in those jobs or closing Chinese factories where, if those factories were in America, the workers are paid $20 or less, will not result in wages going up to $25 per hour for every single American in a crappy job. Wages will stay close to the minimum wage, whatever the number the GOP is satisfied with.

Half the jobs in America pay less than $18 an hour. Can Trump help?
www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/08/24/half-the-jobs-in-americ
a-pay-under-18-an-hour-can-trump-help
/

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Wednesday, August 21, 2019 7:58 AM

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So SECOND ... do you have anything RELEVANT to post about Trump's "racism"? I think you were hot on the topic recently ... don't you have a link to share? Why are you posting about everything but?

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So SECOND ... do you have anything RELEVANT to post about Trump's "racism"? I think you were hot on the topic recently ... don't you have a link to share? Why are you posting about everything but?

The 1619 Project — the New York Times Magazine’s ambitious special issue arguing for an expanded 400-hundred-year history of America centering the story of slavery and its repercussions — has apparently made many leading conservatives very angry. My colleague Ashley Feinberg has assembled a summary of their reactions, from (she paraphrases) “It makes me feel bad about my country” to “Everybody’s already heard about slavery.” It’s a veritable panoply of pique.

The backlash is … interesting … to watch, but it’s worth noting that this is old soup, warmed over. After Jamelle Bouie (who has a great essay in the 1619 Project on racism and anti-democratic thinking) and I published our Slate Academy podcast project on the history of American slavery in 2015, we assembled a taxonomy of the negative reactions we received. I spied some familiar statements in the conservative backlash to the Times’ effort. Ilya Shapiro: “Slavery is a human sin, not a uniquely American one”; Erick Erickson: “The Times … minimizes or undermines the cost white people paid to free slaves”; Newt Gingrich: “Slavery was AND IS terrible (there are slaves today who need liberating).”

Four years ago, Bouie and I struggled to find words to describe these types of responses to the very mention of American slavery. They’re not quite myths? Not quite lies? In the end, the umbrella description I liked best was “misdirection”—the word encapsulates why tweets like these are so annoying and upsetting. Liberals feel obligated to correct these statements with (strong) arguments and (correct) facts, none of which will ultimately persuade these people to rethink their positions. For the sake of our collective cardiovascular health, we would do better to recognize these skirmishes over American history—in which conservatives demand that a positive vision of our nation’s past, studded with successes, inventions, and “great men,” take pride of place in our public culture—as recurrent episodes in a particular decades-old front of the culture wars. That way, we could stop wasting our good faith on old, dead-end conversations.

To see how long the right has been refining this approach, you could look back to January 1995. That month, under political pressure, the Smithsonian canceled a planned exhibit marking the 50th anniversary of the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, which was to be held at the National Air and Space Museum. The proposed exhibit of the Enola Gay—the Boeing B-29 Superfortress bomber that, piloted by Paul Tibbets, dropped the atomic bomb nicknamed “Little Boy” on Hiroshima in August 1945—drew criticism starting in late 1994, when the Air Force Association, unhappy with the planners’ slant toward thoughtful and away from celebratory, released a draft script (label copy, images, an artifact list) to the media. The curators and historians who were putting together the exhibit fought their critics for a few months, before radically revising the exhibit to be much blander and more patriotic. The curator of the Smithsonian’s aeronautics department at the time said of the conflict between the two groups: “Do you want to do an exhibition intended to make veterans feel good, or do you want an exhibition that will lead our visitors to think about the consequences of the atomic bombing of Japan? I don’t think we can do both.”

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/08/1619-project-conservative-
backlash-history-wars.html


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Wednesday, August 21, 2019 8:21 AM

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SECOND: But what does that have to do with "Trump is a racist"?

Nothing!

Am I to assume that you too have nothing to post?

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Wednesday, August 21, 2019 9:01 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Carried over from the "Democrats Only" thread
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Okay, so humor me because I haven't been participating in this thread, but tell me: What "racist attacks" has Trump been participating in? - SIGNY

Must be a slow day at the Sniglets household.- CC

So, you got nothing.
NEXT ...? - SIGNY

No really - we posted a link (maybe even the bulk of the article) that had reference's to instances of Trump's racism. I believe you even posted in that thread....? So yeah, must be a slow day at your ranch to want to repeat things.- CC

You and SECONDRATE post so much bullshit my eyes kinda glaze over. For example, you posted that the NYT publishes what sells, and then you post that the NYT publishes facts. SECONDRATE gets all twisted that what Trump tweets cranks up the crazy, and then not two days later says it doesn't matter what crazy people think. Given your history of posting lies, ad hominens, red herrings, and contradictions, why should I bother to look into each one of your posts in detail? No reason whatsoever, as far as I can tell.

So here's the challenge: Please come up with a CONVINCING story or link that demonstrates Trump's "racism". If you think that particular link was especially juicy please re-post it because I'm not about to go thru all the shit that you've flung against the wall to find one potential gem. So, yanno, dig it up.

And if you don't post anything particularly relevant I'll just have to assume there's nothing relevant to post.- SIGNY

Apparently nothing relevant to post.



Who's your primary care giver, btw?

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Wednesday, August 21, 2019 10:25 AM

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Wednesday, August 21, 2019 1:43 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


So anyway, there are two separate things going on with the NYTimes.

One is their 'project' (already committed to and in progress), which, as I understand, wants to train Americans in general and school children in particular to think that THE foundational principal of the USofA is slavery, and that slavery is the very core of the USofA's identity. Or, as they put it:
Quote:

The 1619 Project is a major initiative from The New York Times observing the 400th anniversary of the beginning of American slavery. It aims to reframe the country’s history, understanding 1619 as our TRUE founding, and placing the consequences of slavery and the contributions of black Americans at the very CENTER of the story we tell ourselves about who we are.


The other is their need to pivot from RUSSIA!!! (where their bias was oh so very wrong, wrong, wrong) to something else .... and it appears to be centered on Trump's assumed racism. So it'll be interesting to see if their news now has a different bias, to cater to the people who expected Mueller to take our Trump. I'll be keeping an interested eye out to see how MANY front-page stories they run about that topic on a daily/ weekly basis.

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Wednesday, August 21, 2019 2:19 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:
So anyway, there are two separate things going on with the NYTimes.

One is their 'project' (already committed to and in progress), which, as I understand, wants to train Americans in general and school children in particular to think that THE foundational principal of the USofA is slavery, and that slavery is the very core of the USofA's identity. Or, as they put it: . . .

1kiki, a typical NYTimes 1619 story does not support your wacko explanation. Have you lost your mind? Or are you trolling us from Moscow? The story begins:

Several years ago, my law office was fighting for the release of a black man who had been condemned, at the age of 16, to die in prison. Matthew was one of 62 Louisiana children sentenced to life imprisonment without parole for nonhomicide offenses. But a case I’d argued at the Supreme Court was part of a 2010 ruling that banned such sentences for juveniles, making our clients eligible for release.

Some had been in prison for nearly 50 years. Almost all had been sent to Angola, a penitentiary considered one of America’s most violent and abusive. Angola is immense, larger than Manhattan, covering land once occupied by slave plantations. Our clients there worked in fields under the supervision of horse-riding, shotgun-toting guards who forced them to pick crops, including cotton. Their disciplinary records show that if they refused to pick cotton — or failed to pick it fast enough — they could be punished with time in “the hole,” where food was restricted and inmates were sometimes tear-gassed. Still, some black prisoners, including Matthew, considered the despair of the hole preferable to the unbearable degradation of being forced to pick cotton on a plantation at the end of the 20th century. I was fearful that such clients would be denied parole based on their disciplinary records. Some were.

The United States has the highest rate of incarceration of any nation on Earth: We represent 4 percent of the planet’s population but 22 percent of its imprisoned. In the early 1970s, our prisons held fewer than 300,000 people; since then, that number has grown to more than 2.2 million, with 4.5 million more on probation or parole. Because of mandatory sentencing and “three strikes” laws, I’ve found myself representing clients sentenced to life without parole for stealing a bicycle or for simple possession of marijuana. And central to understanding this practice of mass incarceration and excessive punishment is the legacy of slavery.

It took only a few decades after the arrival of enslaved Africans in Virginia before white settlers demanded a new world defined by racial caste. The 1664 General Assembly of Maryland decreed that all Negroes within the province “shall serve durante vita,” hard labor for life. This enslavement would be sustained by the threat of brutal punishment. By 1729, Maryland law authorized punishments of enslaved people including “to have the right hand cut off ... the head severed from the body, the body divided into four quarters, and head and quarters set up in the most public places of the county.”

Soon American slavery matured into a perverse regime that denied the humanity of black people while still criminalizing their actions. As the Supreme Court of Alabama explained in 1861, enslaved black people were “capable of committing crimes,” and in that capacity were “regarded as persons” — but in most every other sense they were “incapable of performing civil acts” and considered “things, not persons.”

The 13th Amendment is credited with ending slavery, but it stopped short of that: It made an exception for those convicted of crimes. After emancipation, black people, once seen as less than fully human “slaves,” were seen as less than fully human “criminals.” The provisional governor of South Carolina declared in 1865 that they had to be “restrained from theft, idleness, vagrancy and crime.” Laws governing slavery were replaced with Black Codes governing free black people — making the criminal-justice system central to new strategies of racial control.

More at https://web.archive.org/web/20190814050820/https://www.nytimes.com/int
eractive/2019/08/14/magazine/prison-industrial-complex-slavery-racism.html


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Wednesday, August 21, 2019 2:47 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:
So anyway, there are two separate things going on with the NYTimes.

One is their 'project' (already committed to and in progress), which, as I understand, wants to train Americans in general and school children in particular to think that THE foundational principal of the USofA is slavery, and that slavery is the very core of the USofA's identity. Or, as they put it:
Quote:

The 1619 Project is a major initiative from The New York Times observing the 400th anniversary of the beginning of American slavery. It aims to reframe the country’s history, understanding 1619 as our TRUE founding, and placing the consequences of slavery and the contributions of black Americans at the very CENTER of the story we tell ourselves about who we are.


The other is their need to pivot from RUSSIA!!! (where their bias was oh so very wrong, wrong, wrong) to something else .... and it appears to be centered on Trump's assumed racism. So it'll be interesting to see if their news now has a different bias, to cater to the people who expected Mueller to take our Trump. I'll be keeping an interested eye out to see how MANY front-page stories they run about that topic on a daily/ weekly basis.



"train ... school children in particular" ? - do you think a lot of school children read the NYTimes?

"RUSSIA!!! (where their bias was oh so very wrong, wrong, wrong)" - evidence?

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Wednesday, August 21, 2019 2:47 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Your mom.



You sure aren't 14 anymore!

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Wednesday, August 21, 2019 2:49 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



their 'project' ... wants to train Americans in general and school children in particular
It aims to reframe the country’s history

to think that THE foundational principal of the USofA is slavery,
understanding 1619 as our TRUE founding

and that slavery is the very core of the USofA's identity.
and placing the consequences of slavery and the contributions of black Americans at the very CENTER of the story we tell ourselves about who we are.

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Wednesday, August 21, 2019 3:11 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:

their 'project' ... wants to train Americans in general and school children in particular
It aims to reframe the country’s history

to think that THE foundational principal of the USofA is slavery,
understanding 1619 as our TRUE founding

and that slavery is the very core of the USofA's identity.
and placing the consequences of slavery and the contributions of black Americans at the very CENTER of the story we tell ourselves about who we are.

1kiki, using many colors doesn't change that you are either crazy or a troll. Another NYTimes 1619 story:

On Aug. 14, 1862, a mere five years after the nation’s highest courts declared that no black person could be an American citizen, President Abraham Lincoln called a group of five esteemed free black men to the White House for a meeting. It was one of the few times that black people had ever been invited to the White House as guests. The Civil War had been raging for more than a year, and black abolitionists, who had been increasingly pressuring Lincoln to end slavery, must have felt a sense of great anticipation and pride.

The war was not going well for Lincoln. Britain was contemplating whether to intervene on the Confederacy’s behalf, and Lincoln, unable to draw enough new white volunteers for the war, was forced to reconsider his opposition to allowing black Americans to fight for their own liberation. The president was weighing a proclamation that threatened to emancipate all enslaved people in the states that had seceded from the Union if the states did not end the rebellion. The proclamation would also allow the formerly enslaved to join the Union army and fight against their former “masters.” But Lincoln worried about what the consequences of this radical step would be. Like many white Americans, he opposed slavery as a cruel system at odds with American ideals, but he also opposed black equality. He believed that free black people were a “troublesome presence” incompatible with a democracy intended only for white people. “Free them, and make them politically and socially our equals?” he had said four years earlier. “My own feelings will not admit of this; and if mine would, we well know that those of the great mass of white people will not.”

That August day, as the men arrived at the White House, they were greeted by the towering Lincoln and a man named James Mitchell, who eight days before had been given the title of a newly created position called the commissioner of emigration. This was to be his first assignment. After exchanging a few niceties, Lincoln got right to it. He informed his guests that he had gotten Congress to appropriate funds to ship black people, once freed, to another country.

“Why should they leave this country? This is, perhaps, the first question for proper consideration,” Lincoln told them. “You and we are different races. ... Your race suffer very greatly, many of them, by living among us, while ours suffer from your presence. In a word, we suffer on each side.”

You can imagine the heavy silence in that room, as the weight of what the president said momentarily stole the breath of these five black men. It was 243 years to the month since the first of their ancestors had arrived on these shores, before Lincoln’s family, long before most of the white people insisting that this was not their country. The Union had not entered the war to end slavery but to keep the South from splitting off, yet black men had signed up to fight. Enslaved people were fleeing their forced-labor camps, which we like to call plantations, trying to join the effort, serving as spies, sabotaging confederates, taking up arms for his cause as well as their own. And now Lincoln was blaming them for the war. “Although many men engaged on either side do not care for you one way or the other ... without the institution of slavery and the colored race as a basis, the war could not have an existence,” the president told them. “It is better for us both, therefore, to be separated.”

As Lincoln closed the remarks, Edward Thomas, the delegation’s chairman, informed the president, perhaps curtly, that they would consult on his proposition. “Take your full time,” Lincoln said. “No hurry at all.”

More at https://web.archive.org/web/20190814050033/https://www.nytimes.com/int
eractive/2019/08/14/magazine/black-history-american-democracy.html


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Wednesday, August 21, 2019 3:29 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Your mom.



You sure aren't 14 anymore!



If everybody else is going to act like children...

When in Rome.

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Wednesday, August 21, 2019 3:38 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


In violet is the entirety of what the NYTimes says are the goals of their '1619' project.

their 'project' ... wants to train Americans in general and school children in particular
It aims to reframe the country’s history

to think that THE foundational principal of the USofA is slavery,
understanding 1619 as our TRUE founding

and that slavery is the very core of the USofA's identity.
and placing the consequences of slavery and the contributions of black Americans at the very CENTER of the story we tell ourselves about who we are.

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Wednesday, August 21, 2019 4:06 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:
In violet is the entirety of what the NYTimes says are the goals of their '1619' project.

their 'project' ... wants to train Americans in general and school children in particular
It aims to reframe the country’s history

to think that THE foundational principal of the USofA is slavery,
understanding 1619 as our TRUE founding

and that slavery is the very core of the USofA's identity.
and placing the consequences of slavery and the contributions of black Americans at the very CENTER of the story we tell ourselves about who we are.

I'm pretty sure the goals of the 1619 Project are well explained by reading one of the NYTimes stories, such as this one:

Contrary to Lincoln’s view, most blacks were not inclined to leave America, agreeing with the sentiment of a resolution against black colonization put forward at a convention of black leaders in New York some decades before: “This is our home, and this our country. Beneath its sod lie the bones of our fathers. ... Here we were born, and here we will die.”

That the formerly enslaved did not take up Lincoln’s offer to abandon these lands is an astounding testament to their belief in this nation’s founding ideals. As W.E.B. Du Bois wrote, “Few men ever worshiped Freedom with half such unquestioning faith as did the American Negro for two centuries.” Black Americans had long called for universal equality and believed, as the abolitionist Martin Delany said, “that God has made of one blood all the nations that dwell on the face of the earth.” Liberated by war, then, they did not seek vengeance on their oppressors as Lincoln and so many other white Americans feared. They did the opposite. During this nation’s brief period of Reconstruction, from 1865 to 1877, formerly enslaved people zealously engaged with the democratic process. With federal troops tempering widespread white violence, black Southerners started branches of the Equal Rights League — one of the nation’s first human rights organizations — to fight discrimination and organize voters; they headed in droves to the polls, where they placed other formerly enslaved people into seats that their enslavers had once held. The South, for the first time in the history of this country, began to resemble a democracy, with black Americans elected to local, state and federal offices. Some 16 black men served in Congress — including Hiram Revels of Mississippi, who became the first black man elected to the Senate. (Demonstrating just how brief this period would be, Revels, along with Blanche Bruce, would go from being the first black man elected to the last for nearly a hundred years, until Edward Brooke of Massachusetts took office in 1967.) More than 600 black men served in Southern state legislatures and hundreds more in local positions.

These black officials joined with white Republicans, some of whom came down from the North, to write the most egalitarian state constitutions the South had ever seen. They helped pass more equitable tax legislation and laws that prohibited discrimination in public transportation, accommodation and housing. Perhaps their biggest achievement was the establishment of that most democratic of American institutions: the public school. Public education effectively did not exist in the South before Reconstruction. The white elite sent their children to private schools, while poor white children went without an education. But newly freed black people, who had been prohibited from learning to read and write during slavery, were desperate for an education. So black legislators successfully pushed for a universal, state-funded system of schools — not just for their own children but for white children, too. Black legislators also helped pass the first compulsory education laws in the region. Southern children, black and white, were now required to attend schools like their Northern counterparts. Just five years into Reconstruction, every Southern state had enshrined the right to a public education for all children into its constitution. In some states, like Louisiana and South Carolina, small numbers of black and white children, briefly, attended schools together.

Led by black activists and a Republican Party pushed left by the blatant recalcitrance of white Southerners, the years directly after slavery saw the greatest expansion of human and civil rights this nation would ever see. In 1865, Congress passed the 13th Amendment, making the United States one of the last nations in the Americas to outlaw slavery. The following year, black Americans, exerting their new political power, pushed white legislators to pass the Civil Rights Act, the nation’s first such law and one of the most expansive pieces of civil rights legislation Congress has ever passed. It codified black American citizenship for the first time, prohibited housing discrimination and gave all Americans the right to buy and inherit property, make and enforce contracts and seek redress from courts. In 1868, Congress ratified the 14th Amendment, ensuring citizenship to any person born in the United States. Today, thanks to this amendment, every child born here to a European, Asian, African, Latin American or Middle Eastern immigrant gains automatic citizenship. The 14th Amendment also, for the first time, constitutionally guaranteed equal protection under the law. Ever since, nearly all other marginalized groups have used the 14th Amendment in their fights for equality (including the recent successful arguments before the Supreme Court on behalf of same-sex marriage). Finally, in 1870, Congress passed the 15th Amendment, guaranteeing the most critical aspect of democracy and citizenship — the right to vote — to all men regardless of “race, color, or previous condition of servitude.”

For this fleeting moment known as Reconstruction, the majority in Congress seemed to embrace the idea that out of the ashes of the Civil War, we could create the multiracial democracy that black Americans envisioned even if our founding fathers did not.

But it would not last.

https://web.archive.org/web/20190814050033/https://www.nytimes.com/int
eractive/2019/08/14/magazine/black-history-american-democracy.html


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Wednesday, August 21, 2019 4:53 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



In violet is the unabridged (complete), unedited (unchanged) NYTimes 'goals' statement for their '1619' project.

their 'project' ... wants to train Americans in general and school children in particular
It aims to reframe the country’s history

to think that THE foundational principal of the USofA is slavery,
understanding 1619 as our TRUE founding

and that slavery is the very core of the USofA's identity.
and placing the consequences of slavery and the contributions of black Americans at the very CENTER of the story we tell ourselves about who we are.


But why believe the NYTimes when you can read SECOND's spin?

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Wednesday, August 21, 2019 5:17 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:

But why believe the NYTimes when you can read SECOND's spin?

Why not read the NYTimes? Or is it too long for you, 1kiki? The short story from the 1619 project:

When I was a child — I must have been in fifth or sixth grade — a teacher gave our class an assignment intended to celebrate the diversity of the great American melting pot. She instructed each of us to write a short report on our ancestral land and then draw that nation’s flag. As she turned to write the assignment on the board, the other black girl in class locked eyes with me. Slavery had erased any connection we had to an African country, and even if we tried to claim the whole continent, there was no “African” flag. It was hard enough being one of two black kids in the class, and this assignment would just be another reminder of the distance between the white kids and us. In the end, I walked over to the globe near my teacher’s desk, picked a random African country and claimed it as my own.

I wish, now, that I could go back to the younger me and tell her that her people’s ancestry started here, on these lands, and to boldly, proudly, draw the stars and those stripes of the American flag.

We were told once, by virtue of our bondage, that we could never be American. But it was by virtue of our bondage that we became the most American of all.

https://web.archive.org/web/20190814050033/https://www.nytimes.com/int
eractive/2019/08/14/magazine/black-history-american-democracy.html


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