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Friday, September 27, 2019 10:12 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Nah.

But I'm looking forward to it.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, September 27, 2019 10:26 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Learn something, idiots.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, September 27, 2019 10:50 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

... stay crunchy...


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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Learn something, idiots.




Wow - Joe Biden's kid was making $50k sitting on gas company board in Ukraine! OMG! Corruption!

Meanwhile... Trump's kids are eating at the White House and having meetings with MBS and flying all over the globe on tax pay money. Get f*cking real.

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Friday, September 27, 2019 11:17 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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That's what you got out of the video?

What are you, retarded?


You realize that Jimmy Dore probably hates Trump more than you do, don't you?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, September 27, 2019 11:35 AM

WISHIMAY

THIS machine kills fascists- Woody Guthrie


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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Jeez, WISHY, all of the threats on this board seem to come from you




An emoji is not a threat, GO TAKE YOUR MEDS

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Friday, September 27, 2019 11:37 AM

WISHIMAY

THIS machine kills fascists- Woody Guthrie


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
That's what you got out of the video?

What are you, retarded?


You realize that Jimmy Dore probably hates Trump more than you do, don't you?




6ix, no one watches your brainwashy videos, even the people that agree with you.
Who wants to waste 20 minutes watching a video you could have boiled down to two sentences if you could pick up your knuckles and communicate?

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Friday, September 27, 2019 11:51 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


In case it hasn't aleady been posted here is the complaint

https://intelligence.house.gov/uploadedfiles/20190812_-_whistleblower_
complaint_unclass.pdf


Reading your collective posts, it's like something out of Lord of the Flies

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

You idiots have been oppressing the entire sexual spectrum as long as you have existed. I can't wait for the day your kind is dead - WISHIMAY

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Friday, September 27, 2019 12:02 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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Jeez, WISHY, all of the threats on this board seem to come from you ... SIGNY

An emoji is not a threat, GO TAKE YOUR MEDS



You missed my point: Your posts are steeped in anger and violence. Quite often, they consist of NOTHING BUT. If you were to "go postal" people would look back at these threads and say Yup. The indicators were all there. This woman was posting a manifesto in bits and pieces about killing white men and in fact most of the world, constantly fantasizing about hurting others, and being a general online sociopath. Is THAT the record that you want to leave?
You also "missed" the rest of my post

Quote:

Were you a bully in school too?



Since you purposefully avoided that, it does make me wonder even more about you.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

You idiots have been oppressing the entire sexual spectrum as long as you have existed. I can't wait for the day your kind is dead - WISHIMAY

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Friday, September 27, 2019 12:29 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Thanks for the video, SIX. I like Aaron Mate, he has his own video I believe it's called "the Gray Zone" and he interviews well-informed people who have the facts that we rarely get to know about.
Oh BTW CC, it's not like Hunter Biden got a $50,000 one-time payment, it's more like $50,000 A MONTH and if you consider that
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[Hunter] Biden served on the board of Burisma Holdings, a major Ukrainian natural gas producer, from 2014 to 2019.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunter_Biden that would be like ... what? A half-million dollars per year for five years would be a cool $2.5 million dollars at that rate of pay[off].

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

You idiots have been oppressing the entire sexual spectrum as long as you have existed. I can't wait for the day your kind is dead - WISHIMAY

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Friday, September 27, 2019 2:05 PM

THG


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Originally posted by CAPTAINCRUNCH:
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Originally posted by THG:
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Originally posted by CAPTAINCRUNCH:
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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Originally posted by THG: I see our commie trolls are still aggerating what's true into what's not. It's to be expected.



"aggerating"? Yanno, it's one thing to use a word that's close to the word you mean (emulate instead of immolate) it's another thing to use a word that's totally nonsensical/uninterpretable

The Magic Eight ball says ... TRY AGAIN

This time, with a real English word




Does punctuation cost money on your phone? You seem to skip them a lot.



G, New poll on impeachment. There's a 13 point swing.

https://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/watch/13-point-swing-in-favor-of-imp
eachment-poll-70062661722


tick tock

T





Big Mo (momentum). I see a Republican mayor has said he favors impeachment. You never know. It could be a "The president has no clothes" moment.



Nixon had just won reelection by a landslide. The republicans had no intent to impeach, until they did.

T



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Friday, September 27, 2019 2:37 PM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

... stay crunchy...


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
That's what you got out of the video?

What are you, retarded?

You realize that Jimmy Dore probably hates Trump more than you do, don't you?




I wanted to find out what was so bad about Biden and his son and that was what your genius said was The Big Biden Corruption. Did I get something wrong?

No, not going to watch the whole thing because A) you recommend it and that's always a sign it will suck, and B) the 5 minutes I can stand of his videos have in fact sucked. He's a complete dud dude. He's milking dump Trump supporters for every youtube dollar.

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Friday, September 27, 2019 3:44 PM

THG


Quote:

Originally posted by CAPTAINCRUNCH:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
That's what you got out of the video?

What are you, retarded?

You realize that Jimmy Dore probably hates Trump more than you do, don't you?




I wanted to find out what was so bad about Biden and his son and that was what your genius said was The Big Biden Corruption. Did I get something wrong?

No, not going to watch the whole thing because A) you recommend it and that's always a sign it will suck, and B) the 5 minutes I can stand of his videos have in fact sucked. He's a complete dud dude. He's milking dump Trump supporters for every youtube dollar.



Jack's sick G. Incapable of accepting simple truth. He believes nothing is true if it doesn't fit into his world of conspiracy (secret plan by a group to do something unlawful or harmful), or the macabre (appalling, atrocious, awful). He lives a sad existence so lets not dwell on it.

T



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Friday, September 27, 2019 4:20 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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lol

I can't wait to laugh at you clowns in November of 2020.

Please don't kill yourselves in the mean time.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, September 27, 2019 4:21 PM

WISHIMAY

THIS machine kills fascists- Woody Guthrie


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Were you a bully in school too?


Since you purposefully avoided that, it does make me wonder even more about you.




Really? Were you a brain dead manipulative Fascist in High School, 'cause you still are one???











Putin IS the new Hitler. Get ready to lock and load!

On August 11, 2019 Signym asked "What have Nazis DONE TO ANYONE?" That question wins first place for the Dumbest Question Ever Asked On The Internet.

Since 6ix, Sig, and JSF insist on calling me names in every post, I will save time by letting any visitors know they are incompetent, fascist, and brain dead by autoposting this. Ye have been warned.

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Friday, September 27, 2019 4:25 PM

THG


In an NBC News exclusive, Yuriy Lutsenko, the ex-Ukraine prosecutor who investigated a gas company tied to Hunter Biden, speaks with Richard Engel about how many times he spoke with President Donald Trump's personal attorney, Rudy Giuliani.

https://www.msnbc.com/andrea-mitchell-reports/watch/ex-ukraine-prosecu
tor-on-communications-with-rudy-giuliani-70087237978


He also cleared the Bidens of any wrong doing.

tick tock

T



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Friday, September 27, 2019 5:20 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


For future reconciliation with facts:

In light of Thursday's public release of a 'whistleblower' complaint, who was "not a witness to most of hte events described" in their allegation that President Trump abused his office to request that Ukraine investigate former Vice President Joe Biden's dealings in the country, former CIA analyst and National Security Council (NSC) official Fred Fleitz has provided his take on the whole thing via Twitter.

https://twitter.com/FredFleitz/status/1177206661603348480?s=20

Notably, Fleitz - CEO of the Center for Security Policy - points out that "The way this complaint was written suggested the author had a lot of help," adding "I know from my work on the House Intel Commitee staff that many whistleblowers go directly to the intel oversight committees. Did this whistleblower first meet with House Intel committee members?"

Fleitz then writes that "that this whistleblower complaint is too convenient and too perfect to come from a typical whistleblower," adding "Were other IC officers involved? Where outside groups opposed to the president involved?"

Read the thread below (emphasis ours):

1/ As a former CIA analyst and former NSC official who edited transcripts of POTUS phone calls with foreign leaders, here are my thoughts on the whistleblower complaint which was just released. . . intelligence.house.gov/uploadedfiles/…

2/ This is not an intelligence matter. It is a policy matter and a complaint about differences over policy. Presidential phone calls are not an intelligence concern. The fact that IC officers transcribe these calls does not give the IC IG jusrisdiction over these calls.

3/ It appears that rules restricting access and knowledge of these sensitive calls was breached. This official was not on this call, not on the approved dissem list and should not have been briefed on the call.

.3/ The way this complaint was written suggested the author had a lot of help. I know from my work on the House Intel Commitee staff that many whistleblowers go directly to the intel oversight committees. Did this whistleblower first meet with House Intel committee members?

.4/ It is therefore important that Congress find out where this complaint came from. What did House and Senate intel committee dem members and staff know about it and when? Did they help orchestrate this complaint?

5/ My view is that this whistleblower complaint is too convenient and too perfect to come from a typical whistleblower. Were other IC officers involved? Where outside groups opposed to the president involved?

6/ This complaint will further damage IC relations with the White House for many years to come because IC officers appear to be politicizing presidential phone calls with foreign officials and their access to the president and his activities in the White House.

7/ Worst of all, this IC officer -- and probably others -- have blatantly crossed the line into policy. This violates a core responsibility of IC officers is to inform, but not make policy.

8/ This is such a grevious violation of trust between the IC and the White House that it would not surprise me if IC officers are barred from all access to POTUS phone calls with foreign officials.



https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2019/09/26/democrats-reveal-the-real-
purpose-of-the-impeachment-investigation
/

Democrats Reveal the Real Purpose of the Impeachment Investigation

Paul Craig Roberts

The Democrats know that there is no impeachable offense. What they intend to do is to use the investigation to look into every aspect of Trump’s life and try to make dirt out of things unrelated to his talk with the Ukrainian president. This “impeachment investigation” is a political act to help their candidate win the next presidential election.

Democrats themselves describe it in this way. For example, here is how Rob Kall, the director of one of the progressive Democrat websites, described the purpose of the investigation:

“The idea should be to keep the impeachment going as long as possible, with new testimonies and new releases of disclosures of alleged corruption and treason on a regular basis.

“Looking at impeachment as a process for removing the president is the wrong way of thinking about it. Looking at it as a key that gives access to investigative tools is the smarter, more strategic, way of looking at it.

“Ideally, it will get so bad for Trump that the Republicans will end up putting up someone else to run in the general election.

“But keeping him under investigation, at least through the November election, will increasingly erode the support of both Trump and the Republican party brand, making a Democratic takeover of the Senate and the White House, and an increased control of the House even more likely.”

In other words, it is a political power play.

The outcome depends on whether Americans see the impeachment investigation as another orchestrated hoax like Russiagate or whether they fall for the hoax as they iniatially did with the Russiagate investigation.

The United States does not have a media. It has a propaganda ministry that helps the ruling elites control the explanations that Americans are given. Polls show that Americans have lost confidence in the media. If so, the impeachment investigation will backfire on the Democrats.

The ultimate purpose of the constant attacks on Trump is to teach the American voters that electing a president who is disapproved by the Establishment is futile. The Establishment simply will not permit any change and will frustrate and destroy any president not selected by them as a candidate.

This is the real way so-called “American democracy” works. The establishment guides the selection of the Democrat and Republican candidates. Whichever wins, the Establishment wins. This didn’t happen in Trump’s case, and so he has to be prevented from altering the Establishment’s agendas.





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Friday, September 27, 2019 7:30 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Really? Were you a brain dead manipulative Fascist in High School, 'cause you still are one???
Huh, that's funny. I'M not the one saying that all stupid Midwestern housewives should be "eradicated" because it would raise the average IQ of the USA by 10 points. YOU'RE the one who posts shit like that, you Nazi, you! (Now, watch TWITCHY claim I that I'm being mean and nasty!)

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

You idiots have been oppressing the entire sexual spectrum as long as you have existed. I can't wait for the day your kind is dead - WISHIMAY

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Friday, September 27, 2019 8:50 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Quote:

Originally posted by THG:
In an NBC News exclusive, Yuriy Lutsenko, the ex-Ukraine prosecutor who investigated a gas company tied to Hunter Biden, speaks with Richard Engel about how many times he spoke with President Donald Trump's personal attorney, Rudy Giuliani.

https://www.msnbc.com/andrea-mitchell-reports/watch/ex-ukraine-prosecu
tor-on-communications-with-rudy-giuliani-70087237978


He also cleared the Bidens of any wrong doing.

tick tock

T






He didn't clear anybody of anything.

According to Andrea Mitchell, he said he's "unaware of any Ukrainian law broken by either Biden". Even if this is true, there is no video or audio footage provided. If this was ever asked of him, he didn't say it in this interview, so that's hearsay unless you have another video that shows it. Also, even if this were true, nobody really gives a shit about Ukrainian law as it pertains to Biden or his son either.

The video they show, after what can only be presumed to be a straight up lie by Mitchell unless said video is provided, is just a few questions asking how many times he talked to Giuliani or his people.


lol "Twicely". That's cute.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, September 27, 2019 9:01 PM

WISHIMAY

THIS machine kills fascists- Woody Guthrie


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Huh, that's funny. I'M not the one saying that all stupid Midwestern housewives should be "eradicated" because it would raise the average IQ of the USA by 10 points. YOU'RE the one who posts shit like that, you Nazi, you! (Now, watch TWITCHY claim I that I'm being mean and nasty!)




You keep trying to bait me in some looooooney attempt to make me feel shame for trying to keep this planet Fascist Free. Not gonna happen.

Blood of Patriots, honey. It's what this country was built on... and if someone has the stupidity and audacity to frivolously infringe on my freedom, I have no qualms removing the wanna-be Fascists from the equation.

The nature of life is violent, and occasionally requires more violence to keep freedom safe. It's the one instance where pacifism is truly useless. It's also the one instance I would joyfully join up with moronic Rethugs.

Don't Tread On ME, COWARD.

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Friday, September 27, 2019 9:11 PM

WISHIMAY

THIS machine kills fascists- Woody Guthrie


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:


You missed my point: Your posts are steeped in anger and violence. Quite often, they consist of NOTHING BUT. If you were to "go postal" people would look back at these threads and say Yup. The indicators were all there.



I make you this solemn vow.... If and when I "go postal" I promise there will be a Fascist at the other end of my point.

Za zda-ró-vye, Comrade

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Friday, September 27, 2019 9:12 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Huh, that's funny. I'M not the one saying that all stupid Midwestern housewives should be "eradicated" because it would raise the average IQ of the USA by 10 points. YOU'RE the one who posts shit like that, you Nazi, you! (Now, watch TWITCHY claim I that I'm being mean and nasty!)


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Originally posted by WISHIMAY:

You keep trying to bait me in some looooooney attempt to make me feel shame for trying to keep this planet Fascist Free.

By, yanno, eradicating stupid midwestern housewives to raise the national IQ? How does that even compute?
Or would you do it by killing "all but 100", without even asking them if they want your 'freedom' or not.
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Not gonna happen.
That's too bad. Your righteousness-fueled violence is something you should be deeply ashamed about.
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Blood of Patriots, honey. It's what this country was built on... and if someone has the stupidity and audacity to frivolously infringe on my freedom, I have no qualms removing the wanna-be Fascists from the equation.
Followed by even more threats of violence ... as judge, jury, and executioner. Do you not look in the mirror and wonder at the monster there?
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The nature of life is violent
No honey, otherwise you would have killed your newborn. Because ... yanno ... according to you ... violence ... It's all we got.
The nature of life it to CONTINUE LIFE into the next generation, no matter what it takes.
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... and occasionally requires more violence to keep freedom safe.
What ARE you talking about? Life? Freedom? Violence? Are those 3 all one blob of sameness in your mind?
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It's the one instance where pacifism is truly useless.
Not if it keeps you alive to raise the next generation.
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It's also the one instance I would joyfully join up with moronic Rethugs.
Yep. You'll pick violence over everything else it seems.
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Don't Tread On ME, COWARD.
By ... DISAGREEING with you on the Internet? Is that a reason to threaten someone?

Yer looney.

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Friday, September 27, 2019 10:15 PM

THG


Is there a full moon over Russia tonight. Must be cause the nuts are howling.

T



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Friday, September 27, 2019 10:19 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:

Originally posted by THG:
Is there a full moon over Russia tonight. Must be cause the nuts are howling.

T




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Friday, September 27, 2019 10:24 PM

WISHIMAY

THIS machine kills fascists- Woody Guthrie


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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Followed by even more threats of violence ... as judge, jury, and executioner. Do you not look in the mirror and wonder at the monster there?



Even the dimmest wit should be able to add the destruction from Communist and Fascist regimes and figure out who the biggest monster of the modern age ACTUALLY IS...
Since you and Sig apparently CAN'T you must be the actual BIGGEST...DIM...WITS...EVER then.








With this understood, the Soviet Union appears the greatest megamurderer of all, apparently killing near 61,000,000 people. Stalin himself is responsible for almost 43,000,000 of these. Most of the deaths, perhaps around 39,000,000 are due to lethal forced labor in gulag and transit thereto. Communist China up to 1987, but mainly from 1949 through the cultural revolution, which alone may have seen over 1,000,000 murdered, is the second worst megamurderer. Then there are the lesser megamurderers, such as North Korea and Tito's Yugoslavia.

Obviously the population that is available to kill will make a big difference in the total democide, and thus the annual percentage rate of democide is revealing. By far, the most deadly of all communist countries and, indeed, in this century by far, has been Cambodia under the Khmer Rouge. Pol Pot and his crew likely killed some 2,000,000 Cambodians from April 1975 through December 1978 out of a population of around 7,000,000. This is an annual rate of over 8 percent of the population murdered, or odds of an average Cambodian surviving Pol Pot's rule of slightly over just over 2 to 1.

In sum the communist probably have murdered something like 110,000,000, or near two-thirds of all those killed by all governments, quasi-governments, and guerrillas from 1900 to 1987. Of course, the world total itself it shocking. It is several times the 38,000,000 battle-dead that have been killed in all this century's international and domestic wars. Yet the probable number of murders by the Soviet Union alone--one communist country-- well surpasses this cost of war. And those murders of communist China almost equal it.
https://hawaii.edu/powerkills/COM.ART.HTM






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Friday, September 27, 2019 10:27 PM

WISHIMAY

THIS machine kills fascists- Woody Guthrie


Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:

Is there a full moon over Russia tonight. Must be cause the nuts are howling.




110,000,000 MILLION people dead as a direct result of Communism and Democide in the last hundred years and these twits say "LET'S GO AGAIN!"

It staggers the mind. We are WAAAY past boggle here....






Putin IS the new Hitler. Get ready to lock and load!

On August 11, 2019 Signym asked "What have Nazis DONE TO ANYONE?" That question wins first place for the Dumbest Question Ever Asked On The Internet.

Since 6ix, Sig, and JSF insist on calling me names in every post, I will save time by letting any visitors know they are incompetent, fascist, and brain dead by autoposting this. Ye have been warned.

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Friday, September 27, 2019 10:33 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Hon

I'd like to remind you that you advocated killing 'all but 100' of everyone on the entire planet - over 7billion minus 100 - to 'save' them for fascism/ Nazis/ Communists/ (you can't decide); without bothering to even THINK about consulting them if they preferred your freedom or their lives.

If you looked like you were even capable of a factual discussion without threats and fantasies of violence, I'd be interested. But it sure as hell is hard to take discussing anything at all with you seriously, when you just can't stop your trolling and unhinged posts. Next time you want to post something extreme that you think your righteousness justifies, think about Trump tweeting the exact same thing. Then look in the mirror and see how that sits.

Yer looney.

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Friday, September 27, 2019 10:56 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

[/i]


Quote:

Originally posted by THG:
In an NBC News exclusive, Yuriy Lutsenko, the ex-Ukraine prosecutor who investigated a gas company tied to Hunter Biden, speaks with Richard Engel about how many times he spoke with President Donald Trump's personal attorney, Rudy Giuliani.

https://www.msnbc.com/andrea-mitchell-reports/watch/ex-ukraine-prosecu
tor-on-communications-with-rudy-giuliani-70087237978


He also cleared the Bidens of any wrong doing.

tick tock

T






He didn't clear anybody of anything.

According to Andrea Mitchell, he said he's "unaware of any Ukrainian law broken by either Biden". Even if this is true, there is no video or audio footage provided. If this was ever asked of him, he didn't say it in this interview, so that's hearsay unless you have another video that shows it. Also, even if this were true, nobody really gives a shit about Ukrainian law as it pertains to Biden or his son either.

The video they show, after what can only be presumed to be a straight up lie by Mitchell unless said video is provided, is just a few questions asking how many times he talked to Giuliani or his people.


lol "Twicely". That's cute.


Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Saturday, September 28, 2019 12:21 AM

WISHIMAY

THIS machine kills fascists- Woody Guthrie


Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Hon

I'd like to remind you that you advocated killing 'all but 100' of everyone on the entire planet - over 7billion minus 100 - to 'save' them for fascism/ Nazis/ Communists/ (you can't decide); without bothering to even THINK about consulting them if they preferred your freedom or their lives.




It's not "MY FREEDOM", It's just... FREEDOM. All rational people -if given the choice between death or eternal slavery- would choose death. People that choose slavery aren't people, THEY'RE CATTLE. Things to be used and abused.



I don't know what is wrong with you people that you have NO understanding of the hell those people went through under Fascists.

I don't know what is wrong with you people to want to advocate for that AGAIN.

You'd have to be Satanic to want famines and wars and death squads again. Because THAT is what happens when you try and instill those leaders. EVERY TIME.





You say you want to avoid war AT ALL COSTS and then support a government THAT ENDS IN WAR EVERY TIME.

You two are the biggest hypocrites on the PLANET. Possibly the universe.


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Saturday, September 28, 2019 1:04 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Hon

I'd like to remind you that you advocated killing 'all but 100' of everyone on the entire planet - over 7billion minus 100 - to 'save' them for fascism/ Nazis/ Communists/ (you can't decide); without bothering to even THINK about consulting them if they preferred your freedom or their lives.


Quote:

Originally posted by WISHIMAY:
It's not "MY FREEDOM", It's just...

It IS ** your ** freedom. You want them to be ** free ** of ** something ** which you can't define or even consistently refer to. YOU apparently are the only one who can smell out the unfreedom you think they need to be protected from. If you're the only one who gets to define freedom - well, my dear, It IS ** your ** freedom.
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All rational people - if given the choice between death or eternal slavery- would choose death. People that choose slavery aren't people, THEY'RE CATTLE. Things to be used and abused.
You don't think much of the slaves in the US who really were slaves, and chose to survive instead of instantly killing themselves. You think they were ... CATTLE. Things to be used and abused.

How strange. You justify slavery. After all, you said so yourself: living slaves "aren't people", so you can do whatever you want. Only dead slaves are people are, or were.
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I don't know what is wrong with you people that you have NO understanding of the hell those people went through under Fascists.
Or communists. Or right-wing dictators. Or kings. Or emperors. Or whoever. Whatever. Whatever floats your boat, wishy.
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I don't know what is wrong with you people to want to advocate for that AGAIN.
Just because we don't jump on your crazy-train and advocate exterminating just about everyone on the planet doesn't mean we're advocating for fascism. All ** I'm ** saying anyway is that people should be free to chose whether they want to live or die.

And you want to take that choice from them.
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You'd have to be Satanic to want famines and wars and death squads again.
But you're not Satanic for wanting to kill everyone but 100 people on the entire planet wishy?
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Because THAT is what happens when you try and instill those leaders. EVERY TIME.
And what do YOU want to instill, wishy? Death to everyone?
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You say you want to avoid war AT ALL COSTS and then support a government THAT ENDS IN WAR EVERY TIME.
I just think other people in other countries should have a say in what they want.

As for governments that end in war EVERY TIME I'd say it was about 50/50 between democrats and republicans.
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You two are the biggest hypocrites on the PLANET. Possibly the universe.


That's yer argument? Then here's mine:

Yer looney.

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Saturday, September 28, 2019 1:42 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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It does sound crazy when fascists talk about fascism. Wishy is just about the least self aware person I've ever known.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Saturday, September 28, 2019 7:48 AM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by THG:
In an NBC News exclusive, Yuriy Lutsenko, the ex-Ukraine prosecutor who investigated a gas company tied to Hunter Biden, speaks with Richard Engel about how many times he spoke with President Donald Trump's personal attorney, Rudy Giuliani.

https://www.msnbc.com/andrea-mitchell-reports/watch/ex-ukraine-prosecu
tor-on-communications-with-rudy-giuliani-70087237978


He also cleared the Bidens of any wrong doing.

tick tock

T






He didn't clear anybody of anything.

According to Andrea Mitchell, he said he's "unaware of any Ukrainian law broken by either Biden". Even if this is true, there is no video or audio footage provided. If this was ever asked of him, he didn't say it in this interview, so that's hearsay unless you have another video that shows it. Also, even if this were true, nobody really gives a shit about Ukrainian law as it pertains to Biden or his son either.

The video they show, after what can only be presumed to be a straight up lie by Mitchell unless said video is provided, is just a few questions asking how many times he talked to Giuliani or his people.


lol "Twicely". That's cute.


Do Right, Be Right. :)

1. The Lutsenko retractions.
Trump claims that he pressed Ukraine for the investigations because he sincerely believed — and believes today — that Ukraine had information implicating Biden and other U.S. Democrats in conspiracies. But Trump escalated these allegations even as Yuri Lutsenko, the Ukrainian prosecutor on whose statements the president relied, was admitting that they were false. In April, Lutsenko, who is seen as corrupt by many Ukrainians, retracted his claim that the Obama administration had ordered him not to investigate a list of possible suspects. Despite this, a week later, Trump hyped Lutsenko’s work as “big stuff” that could expose a Democratic plot. In May, Lutsenko retracted additional allegations: that he had evidence of misconduct by Biden or his son and that the family was under investigation. Again, a few days later, Trump repeated the allegations. He wanted dirt on Biden, regardless of whether it was true.

7. The release of other money.
Trump attributes the aid suspension in part to his longtime gripe that the United States gives too much foreign aid and Europe gives too little. But that story doesn’t fit the record. On Aug. 22, the administration gave up on its push for across-the-board cuts in foreign aid. A week later, it was still blocking the Ukraine money. “Pentagon officials tried to make a case to the White House that the Ukraine aid was effective and should not be looked at in the same manner as other aid,” says the New York Times. “But when those arguments were ignored, and when the other aid was allowed to move forward, the Pentagon officials began to wonder” why the money for Ukraine was being blocked.

"The Ukraine Timeline Shows Trump Is Lying"
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/09/ukraine-timeline-shows-tru
mp-lying.html


It is pretty typical for Trump to lie about his motivation, his methods, his goals. He did lie about this Ukrainian thing of his and he did it all this week in order to hide his unethical behavior of using Federal money to get Ukraine to help him win his next election. Trump needs to send his own money, not Federal money, to Ukraine and buy a few of their politicians.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Saturday, September 28, 2019 8:23 AM

REAVERFAN



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Saturday, September 28, 2019 8:55 AM

THG


tick tock
T



Trump whistleblower complaint: Timeline of the allegations

December 2018: Trump's personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani speaks with Viktor Shokin, Ukraine's former prosecutor general.

January: Giuliani meets with Yuriy Lutsenko, Ukraine's prosecutor general under President Petro Poroshenko, in New York.

February: Giuliani meets with Lutsenko a second time in Warsaw, Poland.

March: In a series of articles in The Hill, Lutsenko and other Ukrainian officials make claims about:

Ukrainian involvement in the 2016 election, allegedly in collaboration with the Democratic National Committee.

U.S. Ambassador Marie Yovanovitch obstructing Ukrainian investigation of such involvement.
Former Vice President Joe Biden trying to protect his son's business with Ukraine.

April 21: Zelensky defeats Poroshenko in Ukrainian presidential elections. Trump makes a brief congratulatory call to Zelensky.

April 25: In a Fox News interview, Trump describes Lutsenko's claims as "big" and "incredible" and says the attorney general "would want to see this."

April 29: U.S. Ambassador Yovanovitch is recalled to Washington for "consultations."

May 6: The State Department announces Yovanovitch will end her assignment in Kyiv, Ukraine's capital.

May 9: The New York Times reports that Giuliani plans to travel to Ukraine to press the government to pursue investigations into election interference in 2016 and alleged wrongdoing by the Biden family.

May 10: Trump saysin an interview with Politico that he "plans to speak with Giuliani about the trip." Hours later, Giuliani cancels his trip because Zelensky was "surrounded by enemies of the [U.S.] president ... and of the United States."

May 11: Lutsenko meets with President-elect Zelensky and expresses his wish to remain prosecutor general in the new government.

May 14: Giuliani says in an interview with a Ukrainian journalist that the U.S. ambassador was "removed ... because she was part of the efforts against the president."

Around May 14: Trump instructs Vice President Mike Pence to cancel his trip to Ukraine to attend Zelensky's inauguration.

June 13: Trump tells ABC's George Stephanopoulos that he "would accept damaging information on his political rivals from a foreign government."

June 21: Giuliani tweets, "New Pres. of Ukraine still silent on investigation of Ukrainian interference in 2016 election and alleged Biden bribery of Pres Poroshenko. Time for leadership and investigate both if you want to purge how Ukraine was abused by Hillary and Obama people."

July 18: An Office of Management and Budget official says Trump issued instructions to suspend U.S. aid to Ukraine.

July 25: Trump phones Zelensky to request that Ukraine investigate 2016 election interference and alleged corruption by the Biden family. Trump asks Zelensky to meet with Giuliani and Attorney General Barr for further discussions.

July 25 evening: A post on the Ukrainian president's website mentions the call: "Trump expressed his conviction that the new Ukrainian Government will be able to ... complete the investigation of corruption cases that have held back cooperation between Ukraine and the U.S."

July 26: Senior White House officials intervene to "lock down" all records of the phone call and load the transcript into a separate electronic server, according to the whistleblower's complaint.

July 26: Kurt Volker, U.S. representative for Ukraine, and Gordon Sondland, U.S. ambassador to the European Union, meet with Zelensky to provide advice.

August 2: Giuliani travels to Madrid to meet with a Zelensky adviser as a "follow-up" to the call.

Aug. 9: Trump says he thinks Zelensky "will be invited to the White House."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-whistleblower-complaint-
timeline-of-the-allegations/ar-AAHWQVh?ocid=spartanntp



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Saturday, September 28, 2019 9:51 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


for future reconciliation with facts

https://medium.com/@caityjohnstone/msm-defends-cias-whistleblower-ignores-actual-whistleblowers-5fbe577d988d

Well believe it or not, according to The New York Times this brave, noble whistleblower who the mainstream media are currently championing is an officer for the Central Intelligence Agency.

So there you have it. A mysterious stranger from the lying, torturing, propagandizing, drug trafficking, assassinating, coup-staging, warmongering, psychopathic CIA was working in the White House, heroically provided the political/media class with politically powerful information out of the goodness of his heart, and then vanished off into the Langley sunset. Clearly there is nothing suspicious about this story at all.

In all seriousness, even to call this spook a “whistleblower” is ridiculous on its face. You don’t get to call someone from the US intelligence community a whistleblower unless they are actually whistleblowing on the US intelligence community. That’s not a thing. A CIA officer who exposes information about government officials is an operative performing an operation unless proven otherwise, because that’s what the CIA does; it liberally leaks information wherever it’s convenient for CIA agendas while withholding all other information behind a veil of government secrecy.

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Saturday, September 28, 2019 9:56 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

... stay crunchy...


Sept 25th: White House releases edited transcript in which Trump says: "Find out what dirt you can on my likely 2020 adversary, Joe Biden."

End of story. There doesn't even have to be any quid, just him asking that is enough for impeachment.

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Saturday, September 28, 2019 9:58 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=63297


In March/April 2014 the British freeze Zlochevsky's (Burisma's owner) accounts and launch an anti-corruption investigation.

During the British investigation, nothing (apparently) happens on the Ukraine side between and March/April 2014 and February 2015 (approximately 12 months), at which point Shokin becomes Ukraine's attorney general.

Some time between February 2015 and March/April 2015 (days minimum to 3 months maximum under Shokin's direction) Britain drops its case.

In March 2016, one year after Britain has already dropped its case, Biden tells Ukraine to get rid of Shokin due to non-performance on the Zlochevsky (Burisma) case.



https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/463307-solomon-these-once-secret-
memos-cast-doubt-on-joe-bidens-ukraine-story


Hundreds of pages of never-released memos and documents — many from inside the American team helping Burisma to stave off its legal troubles — conflict with Biden’s narrative.

1.) If the Ukraine prosecutor’s firing involved only his alleged corruption and ineptitude, why did Burisma's American legal team refer to those allegations as “false information?"

2.) If the firing had nothing to do with the Burisma case, as Biden has adamantly claimed, why would Burisma’s American lawyers contact the replacement prosecutor within hours of the termination and urgently seek a meeting in Ukraine to discuss the case?

Ukrainian prosecutors say they have tried to get this information to the U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) since the summer of 2018, fearing it might be evidence of possible violations of U.S. ethics laws. First, they hired a former federal prosecutor to bring the information to the U.S. attorney in New York, who, they say, showed no interest. Then, the Ukrainians reached out to President Trump’s personal lawyer, Rudy Giuliani.


Also
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/new-docs-contradict-biden-claim-fi
red-ukrainian-prosecutor-was-corrupt





The insane never-Trumpers will be driven even more insane in the wash/rinse/spin/repeat/ cycle they mistake for reality.

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Saturday, September 28, 2019 10:01 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

... stay crunchy...


Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:
For future reconciliation with facts:



Now with fewer facts!

And here's a text book way to lose any and all credibility in the first sentence of his piece:
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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Paul Craig Roberts
"The Democrats know that there is no impeachable offense."



Uh-huh. OR you could say:

Craig Robert Pauls
"The Republicans know Trump is guilty of abuse of power and not upholding his oath or the constitution, and should be removed from office."

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Saturday, September 28, 2019 10:02 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

... stay crunchy...


Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=63297


In March/April 2014 the British freeze Zlochevsky's (Burisma's owner) accounts and launch an anti-corruption investigation.

During the British investigation, nothing (apparently) happens on the Ukraine side between and March/April 2014 and February 2015 (approximately 12 months), at which point Shokin becomes Ukraine's attorney general.

Some time between February 2015 and March/April 2015 (days minimum to 3 months maximum under Shokin's direction) Britain drops its case.

In March 2016, one year after Britain has already dropped its case, Biden tells Ukraine to get rid of Shokin due to non-performance on the Zlochevsky (Burisma) case.



https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/463307-solomon-these-once-secret-
memos-cast-doubt-on-joe-bidens-ukraine-story


Hundreds of pages of never-released memos and documents — many from inside the American team helping Burisma to stave off its legal troubles — conflict with Biden’s narrative.

1.) If the Ukraine prosecutor’s firing involved only his alleged corruption and ineptitude, why did Burisma's American legal team refer to those allegations as “false information?"

2.) If the firing had nothing to do with the Burisma case, as Biden has adamantly claimed, why would Burisma’s American lawyers contact the replacement prosecutor within hours of the termination and urgently seek a meeting in Ukraine to discuss the case?

Ukrainian prosecutors say they have tried to get this information to the U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) since the summer of 2018, fearing it might be evidence of possible violations of U.S. ethics laws. First, they hired a former federal prosecutor to bring the information to the U.S. attorney in New York, who, they say, showed no interest. Then, the Ukrainians reached out to President Trump’s personal lawyer, Rudy Giuliani.


Also
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/new-docs-contradict-biden-claim-fi
red-ukrainian-prosecutor-was-corrupt





The insane never-Trumpers will be driven even more insane in the wash/rinse/spin/repeat/ cycle they mistake for reality.



Deflection noted

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Saturday, September 28, 2019 10:04 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

... stay crunchy...


Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:
for future reconciliation with facts

https://medium.com/@caityjohnstone/msm-defends-cias-whistleblower-ignores-actual-whistleblowers-5fbe577d988d

Well believe it or not, according to The New York Times this brave, noble whistleblower who the mainstream media are currently championing is an officer for the Central Intelligence Agency.

So there you have it. A mysterious stranger from the lying, torturing, propagandizing, drug trafficking, assassinating, coup-staging, warmongering, psychopathic CIA was working in the White House, heroically provided the political/media class with politically powerful information out of the goodness of his heart, and then vanished off into the Langley sunset. Clearly there is nothing suspicious about this story at all.

In all seriousness, even to call this spook a “whistleblower” is ridiculous on its face. You don’t get to call someone from the US intelligence community a whistleblower unless they are actually whistleblowing on the US intelligence community. That’s not a thing. A CIA officer who exposes information about government officials is an operative performing an operation unless proven otherwise, because that’s what the CIA does; it liberally leaks information wherever it’s convenient for CIA agendas while withholding all other information behind a veil of government secrecy.



Wow, ok. And Trump is still guilty.

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Saturday, September 28, 2019 10:12 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


for future reconciliation with facts

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/intel-community-quietly-scrapped-r
equirement-first-hand-knowledge-cia-rumorblower-relied

Intel Community Quietly Scrapped Requirement For "First-Hand Knowledge" Before CIA 'Rumorblower' Relied On Hearsay
n the months leading up to a CIA whistleblower's hearsay complaint about President Trump's July 25 phone call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, the US intelligence community quietly eliminated a requirement that whistleblowers must provide first-hand knowledge of alleged wrongdoings, according to The Federalist's Sean Davis.


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Saturday, September 28, 2019 10:13 AM

THG


Quote:

Originally posted by CAPTAINCRUNCH:

Sept 25th: White House releases edited transcript in which Trump says: "Find out what dirt you can on my likely 2020 adversary, Joe Biden."

End of story. There doesn't even have to be any quid, just him asking that is enough for impeachment.



Yep, that's the fact of it G. And kiki (Russian troll) trashing the CIA is meaningless in all this. Why, because she's a Russian troll. And who is she quoting? Zerohedge, the troll farm.

T



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Saturday, September 28, 2019 10:15 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:

Originally posted by CAPTAINCRUNCH:

Wow, ok. And Trump is still guilty.

You say that with all the certitude you repeated TRUMP!!RUSSIA!!COLLUSION!! over the span of 2+ years.

Why should I credit your opinion about anything?

The insane never-Trumpers will be driven even more insane in the wash/rinse/spin/repeat/ cycle they mistake for reality.

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Saturday, September 28, 2019 10:18 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:

Originally posted by THG:
Quote:

Originally posted by CAPTAINCRUNCH:

Sept 25th: White House releases edited transcript in which Trump says: "Find out what dirt you can on my likely 2020 adversary, Joe Biden."

End of story. There doesn't even have to be any quid, just him asking that is enough for impeachment.



Yep, that's the fact of it G. And kiki (Russian troll) trashing the CIA is meaningless in all this. Why, because she's a Russian troll.

T




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Saturday, September 28, 2019 10:21 AM

THG


And who is kiki quoting? Zerohedge, the Russian troll farm.

T



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Saturday, September 28, 2019 10:25 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Meanwhile, this is so full of interesting and previously unknown fun-filled facts, I'm putting it here with selected quotes:

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2019/09/heroes-villains-and-es
tablishment-hypocrisy
/

What I find deeply reprehensible in all the BBC coverage is their failure to report the facts of the case, and their utter lack of curiosity about why Joe Biden’s son Hunter was paid $60,000 a month by Burisma, Ukraine’s largest natural gas producer, as an entirely absent non-executive director, when he had no relevant experience in Ukraine or gas, and very little business experience, having just been dishonorably discharged from the Navy Reserve for use of crack cocaine? Is that question not just little bit interesting? That may be the thin end of it – in 2014-15 Hunter Biden received US $850,000 from the intermediary company channeling the payments. In reporting on Trump being potentially impeached for asking about it, might you not expect some analysis – or at least mention – of what he was asking about?
..................
Regular readers will recall that Crowdstrike are the Clinton linked “cyber-security” company which provided the “forensic data” to the FBI on the alleged Russian hack of the DNC servers – data which has been analysed by my friend Bill Binney, former Technical Director of the NSA, who characterises it as showing speeds of transfer impossible by internet and indicating a download to an attached drive. The FBI were never allowed access to the actual DNC server – and never tried, taking the DNC’s consultants word for the contents, which itself is sufficient proof of the bias of the “investigation”.
Crowdstrike also made the claim that the same Russia hackers – “Fancy Bear” – who hacked the DNC, hacked Ukrainian artillery software causing devastating losses of Ukrainian artillery. This made large headlines at the time. What did not make any MSM headlines was the subsequent discovery that all of this never happened and the artillery losses were entirely fictitious. As Crowdstrike had claimed that it was the use of the same coding in the DNC hack as in the preceding (non-existent) Ukraine artillery hack, that proved Russia hacked the DNC, this is pretty significant. Trump was questioning Zelensky about rumours the “hacked” DNC server was hidden in the Ukraine by Crowdstrike. The media has no interest in reporting any of that at all.

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Saturday, September 28, 2019 10:26 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:

Originally posted by THG:
And who is kiki quoting? Zerohedge, the Russian troll farm.

T




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Saturday, September 28, 2019 10:34 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:

Originally posted by WISHIMAY:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:


You missed my point: Your posts are steeped in anger and violence. Quite often, they consist of NOTHING BUT. If you were to "go postal" people would look back at these threads and say Yup. The indicators were all there.



I make you this solemn vow.... If and when I "go postal" I promise there will be a Fascist at the other end of my point.

Za zda-ró-vye, Comrade


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Saturday, September 28, 2019 11:05 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

You missed my point: Your posts are steeped in anger and violence. Quite often, they consist of NOTHING BUT. If you were to "go postal" people would look back at these threads and say Yup. The indicators were all there. - SIGNY

I make you this solemn vow.... If and when I "go postal" I promise there will be a Fascist at the other end of my point.


OH NO!!! NOT SUICIDE!!! Please WISHY, I beg you, don't start by killing yourself first! You have so much to live for! Like ... killing everyone else! Please, don't give up on your dream of a people-free world!

Quote:

Za zda-ró-vye, Comrade
I have no idea what this means. So, what does this translate to?

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

You idiots have been oppressing the entire sexual spectrum as long as you have existed. I can't wait for the day your kind is dead - WISHIMAY

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Saturday, September 28, 2019 11:16 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


I check out cnn just to see what the anti-Trump M$M is doing and I gotta tell you ... it was one breathless headline after another, all basically saying NOW we got Trump.

Seriously, something like seven headlines stacked up, one atop the other, all with the same hyperventilation. And not just one day. It's like Rachel Madcow, on steroids.

Between the rabidly partisan M$M and rabidly partisan liberaloids, it's like listening to a pack of mad dogs howling. I mean, look at JO (before he disappeared)... he was SO convinced that Trump is Putin's puppet that he was willing to entertain the idea that Mueller, the FBI, and the CIA were all in on the plot. WISHY wants to eradicate the world in order to save it. SECONDRATE spent endless hours flinging virtue-signalling crap onto the board, but now that his tax cuts might be at risk has suddenly gone silent. REAVERBOT threatened people. Facts just bounce offa CC's delusions, despite his effort to appear like a "reasonable" person.

These people have been driven to white hot hatred of Trump. Facts don't matter in the face of overwhelming emotion, which feels so authentic and real. It'll take YEARS for these emotions to die down and for people to come back to their senses. (If ever. I think SECONDRATE is permanently tweaked.)

And the crazy thing is, this isn't the first, second, or even third time Americans have gone thru the spin cycle in the past 18 years. You'd think that by the fourth fiths sixth seventh? time around (9-11! WMD! GWOT! Hope and change! Chemical weapons! Russia invasion! RUSSIA!RUSSIA!RUSSIA! Ukraine!) people would have developed some insight!


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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

You idiots have been oppressing the entire sexual spectrum as long as you have existed. I can't wait for the day your kind is dead - WISHIMAY

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Saturday, September 28, 2019 12:08 PM

THG


Quote:

Originally posted by THG:
tick tock
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Trump whistleblower complaint: Timeline of the allegations

December 2018: Trump's personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani speaks with Viktor Shokin, Ukraine's former prosecutor general.

January: Giuliani meets with Yuriy Lutsenko, Ukraine's prosecutor general under President Petro Poroshenko, in New York.

February: Giuliani meets with Lutsenko a second time in Warsaw, Poland.

March: In a series of articles in The Hill, Lutsenko and other Ukrainian officials make claims about:

Ukrainian involvement in the 2016 election, allegedly in collaboration with the Democratic National Committee.

U.S. Ambassador Marie Yovanovitch obstructing Ukrainian investigation of such involvement.
Former Vice President Joe Biden trying to protect his son's business with Ukraine.

April 21: Zelensky defeats Poroshenko in Ukrainian presidential elections. Trump makes a brief congratulatory call to Zelensky.

April 25: In a Fox News interview, Trump describes Lutsenko's claims as "big" and "incredible" and says the attorney general "would want to see this."

April 29: U.S. Ambassador Yovanovitch is recalled to Washington for "consultations."

May 6: The State Department announces Yovanovitch will end her assignment in Kyiv, Ukraine's capital.

May 9: The New York Times reports that Giuliani plans to travel to Ukraine to press the government to pursue investigations into election interference in 2016 and alleged wrongdoing by the Biden family.

May 10: Trump saysin an interview with Politico that he "plans to speak with Giuliani about the trip." Hours later, Giuliani cancels his trip because Zelensky was "surrounded by enemies of the [U.S.] president ... and of the United States."

May 11: Lutsenko meets with President-elect Zelensky and expresses his wish to remain prosecutor general in the new government.

May 14: Giuliani says in an interview with a Ukrainian journalist that the U.S. ambassador was "removed ... because she was part of the efforts against the president."

Around May 14: Trump instructs Vice President Mike Pence to cancel his trip to Ukraine to attend Zelensky's inauguration.

June 13: Trump tells ABC's George Stephanopoulos that he "would accept damaging information on his political rivals from a foreign government."

June 21: Giuliani tweets, "New Pres. of Ukraine still silent on investigation of Ukrainian interference in 2016 election and alleged Biden bribery of Pres Poroshenko. Time for leadership and investigate both if you want to purge how Ukraine was abused by Hillary and Obama people."

July 18: An Office of Management and Budget official says Trump issued instructions to suspend U.S. aid to Ukraine.

July 25: Trump phones Zelensky to request that Ukraine investigate 2016 election interference and alleged corruption by the Biden family. Trump asks Zelensky to meet with Giuliani and Attorney General Barr for further discussions.

July 25 evening: A post on the Ukrainian president's website mentions the call: "Trump expressed his conviction that the new Ukrainian Government will be able to ... complete the investigation of corruption cases that have held back cooperation between Ukraine and the U.S."

July 26: Senior White House officials intervene to "lock down" all records of the phone call and load the transcript into a separate electronic server, according to the whistleblower's complaint.

July 26: Kurt Volker, U.S. representative for Ukraine, and Gordon Sondland, U.S. ambassador to the European Union, meet with Zelensky to provide advice.

August 2: Giuliani travels to Madrid to meet with a Zelensky adviser as a "follow-up" to the call.

Aug. 9: Trump says he thinks Zelensky "will be invited to the White House."

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