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Saturday, January 19, 2019 10:12 AM

WHOZIT


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/mueller-team-disputes-buzzfeed-report-
claiming-trump-told-cohen-to-lie


In an attempt to embarrass Trump they ruined their own reputation, now everyone will question everything they report on Trump.

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Saturday, January 19, 2019 11:22 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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Quote:

Originally posted by whozit:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/mueller-team-disputes-buzzfeed-report-
claiming-trump-told-cohen-to-lie


In an attempt to embarrass Trump they ruined their own reputation, now everyone will question everything they report on Trump.



I don't think they had much of a reputation with anyone except people who wanted to know what Game of Thrones character they were most like. We'll see - it seems pretty air tight that they jumped too soon, but there's still room for clarity. Not to mention: Cohen had nothing to gain for himself by lying to congress and only things to lose, so it makes no sense that he just did it on his own. He was pushed by someone.

Buzzfeed did release the Steele "dossier" which is still pretty bullet proof. If you don't think so let me know what's not right with cites. People like to demean it because of the "pee" reference, like the outrageousness of the act is somehow Steele's fault. Whatever, whether he did it or not if you are totally honest you know Trump totally would do that.

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Saturday, January 19, 2019 11:36 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:

Originally posted by whozit:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/mueller-team-disputes-buzzfeed-report-
claiming-trump-told-cohen-to-lie


In an attempt to embarrass Trump they ruined their own reputation, now everyone will question everything they report on Trump.


I don't think they had much of a reputation with anyone except people who wanted to know what Game of Thrones character they were most like. We'll see - it seems pretty air tight that they jumped too soon, but there's still room for clarity. Not to mention: Cohen had nothing to gain for himself by lying to congress and only things to lose, so it makes no sense that he just did it on his own. He was pushed by someone.

Buzzfeed did release the Steele "dossier" which is still pretty bullet proof. If you don't think so let me know what's not right with cites.

Wow.
Pretty obvious that Trolls still wander the landscape. But this level of dementia is hard to fathom.

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Saturday, January 19, 2019 11:38 AM

WHOZIT


Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:

Originally posted by whozit:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/mueller-team-disputes-buzzfeed-report-
claiming-trump-told-cohen-to-lie


In an attempt to embarrass Trump they ruined their own reputation, now everyone will question everything they report on Trump.



I don't think they had much of a reputation with anyone except people who wanted to know what Game of Thrones character they were most like. We'll see - it seems pretty air tight that they jumped too soon, but there's still room for clarity. Not to mention: Cohen had nothing to gain for himself by lying to congress and only things to lose, so it makes no sense that he just did it on his own. He was pushed by someone.

Buzzfeed did release the Steele "dossier" which is still pretty bullet proof. If you don't think so let me know what's not right with cites. People like to demean it because of the "pee" reference, like the outrageousness of the act is somehow Steele's fault. Whatever, whether he did it or not if you are totally honest you know Trump totally would do that.



Other MSM outlets reported this story with glee, the fact that Mueller's team had to come forward to say it's crap makes them all look bad. Now every time the MSM media comes out with another so called "bombshell", the average viewer is going to question it. I bet when Cohen goes before congress THAT will be yet another let down, we all know he paid off some women...and he's a rat.

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Saturday, January 19, 2019 10:38 PM

REAVERFAN


Enjoy your little "victory." Oh, dear, an entertainment site got something a little bit wrong, supposedly.

You, OTOH, are Russian trolls who deliberately lie constantly.

Trump is a traitor and a criminal. He will be impeached for it.

Your lies can't stop that.

Inside the Mueller team’s decision to dispute BuzzFeed’s explosive story on Trump and Cohen
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/inside-the-muel
ler-teams-decision-to-dispute-buzzfeeds-explosive-story-on-trump-and-cohen/2019/01/19/d89dba5b-fa0f-445b-9fd3-72f0e911e28d_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.726a7138a62a


It IS nice to see you suddenly liking Mueller's integrity, though.

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Saturday, January 19, 2019 11:27 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Buzzfeed faking news is one thing, but when the M$M and Democrats in Congress run with it, that's something else. Conspiracy or lunacy, not sure which, but take your pick.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/18/trump-directed-cohen-to-lie-to-congres
s-about-moscow-project-report.html

http://www.msnbc.com/transcripts/11th-hour-with-brian-williams/2019-01
-17

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-tower-moscow-deal-trump-told-mic
hael-cohen-to-lie-to-congress-2019-1

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/democrats-say-report-that-trump-told
-cohen-to-lie-about-moscow-deal-if-true-could-prove-obstruction-2019-01-17

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-01-18/buzzfeed-s-trump
-cohen-story-describes-clearly-impeachable-crimes

https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-trump-cohen-20190118-story.
html

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/18/opinion/buzzfeed-cohen-trump-tower.
html

https://www.vox.com/2019/1/18/18188125/trump-buzzfeed-mueller-cohen-ob
struction



Yanno what? I think MORE fake news should be leaked:

TRUMP AND PUTIN TO WED!
TRUMP LIED TO HIS MOM!
TRUMP HOLDS SECRET MEETINGS WITH HITLER!

Let the M$M trash it's own reputation.



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Sunday, January 20, 2019 7:18 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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Did you read any of the links you posted? No? Just grab as many as you could in a short period of time and hope no one would notice. Typical Sig, typical Trump loving fraud.

Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Buzzfeed faking news is one thing, but when the M$M and Democrats in Congress run with it, that's something else. Conspiracy or lunacy, not sure which, but take your pick.



Me personally, I think you're a common liar and a bit looney. Let's look at your "proof." None of them say it's true, in fact, they go out of their way to question it.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/18/trump-directed-cohen-to-lie-to-congres
s-about-moscow-project-report.html

^ "NBC News has not independently confirmed the report, which was published Thursday night."

http://www.msnbc.com/transcripts/11th-hour-with-brian-williams/2019-01
-17

^ "NBC News has not independently confirmed the report, which was published Thursday night."

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-tower-moscow-deal-trump-told-mic
hael-cohen-to-lie-to-congress-2019-1

^ This one even includes Mueller's contradictory statement.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/democrats-say-report-that-trump-told
-cohen-to-lie-about-moscow-deal-if-true-could-prove-obstruction-2019-01-17

^ This one even says "if true" in the link" - you couldn't even be bothered to read that. But of course Truth and Accuracy are not what you're after. You're just here to agitate.

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-01-18/buzzfeed-s-trump
-cohen-story-describes-clearly-impeachable-crimes

^ "If the BuzzFeed story reporting that Donald Trump, while president, ordered his lawyer Michael Cohen to lie to Congress is true..."

https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-trump-cohen-20190118-story.
html

^ "... alleges... if true" etc.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/18/opinion/buzzfeed-cohen-trump-tower.
html

^ "If the account holds up, it’s arguably the clearest evidence yet that Trump obstructed justice..."

https://www.vox.com/2019/1/18/18188125/trump-buzzfeed-mueller-cohen-ob
struction

^ "If the report is true, they said, then yes..."

So, wrong every single time - just more agitation and fake posting from the biggest liar on the forum, thanks SIGGY.

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Sunday, January 20, 2019 7:23 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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Quote:

Originally posted by whozit:
Other MSM outlets reported this story with glee,...



Sure thing, if it was proved to be true it would signal the end of Trump's presidency, so yup, it could be historical.

Quote:

Originally posted by whozit:
the fact that Mueller's team had to come forward to say it's crap makes them all look bad.



It definitely makes Buzzfeed look bad. Makes Muelle look like they really care about Truth and Accuracy = awesome.

Quote:

Originally posted by whozit:
Now every time the MSM media comes out with another so called "bombshell", the average viewer is going to question it.



I sure hope so! Always!

Quote:

Originally posted by whozit:
I bet when Cohen goes before congress THAT will be yet another let down, we all know he paid off some women...and he's a rat.



He's a treasonous sack of sh*t and deserves more jail time.

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Sunday, January 20, 2019 7:30 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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I've only seen BuzzFeed "News" cited here a few times over the years, and I don't recall them being cited for quite a while.

That is appreciated, and it doesn't look as though anybody here is very surprised they're full of shit.

I still cringe whenever I see a citation from Vox or MotherJones, but not nearly as hard as I do when I see BuzzFeed.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Sunday, January 20, 2019 9:35 AM

REAVERFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I've only seen BuzzFeed "News" cited here a few times over the years, and I don't recall them being cited for quite a while.

That is appreciated, and it doesn't look as though anybody here is very surprised they're full of shit.

I still cringe whenever I see a citation from Vox or MotherJones, but not nearly as hard as I do when I see BuzzFeed.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Buzzfeed is mostly an entertainment site. They don't do a ton of hard news.
Vox is liberal but solid, and Mother Jones frequently wins awards for their investigative journalism and they have a pristine reputation for accuracy.

Overall, we rate Buzzfeed Left-Center Biased due to story selection that tends to favor the left and Mixed for factual reporting based on poor sourcing and a few failed fact checks.
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/buzzfeed/

Overall, we rate Vox Left Biased due to wording and story selection that favors the left and highly factual based on proper sourcing.
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/vox/

Overall, we rate Mother Jones strongly Left-Center biased based on story selection that moderately favors the left and High for factual reporting due to thorough sourcing.
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/mother-jones/

So, Buzzfeed is okay, but a little sloppy, and they do a lot of celebrity crap. Not a "go to" source. If you see something there, it's best to see if more reputable outlets are saying the same thing.

Vox is very good, and you can take Mother Jones to the bank.

Why do I agree with this assessment? It aligns with my impressions after years of reading them.


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Sunday, January 20, 2019 9:58 AM

REAVERFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Did you read any of the links you posted? No? Just grab as many as you could in a short period of time and hope no one would notice. Typical Sig, typical Trump loving fraud.

Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Buzzfeed faking news is one thing, but when the M$M and Democrats in Congress run with it, that's something else. Conspiracy or lunacy, not sure which, but take your pick.



Me personally, I think you're a common liar and a bit looney. Let's look at your "proof." None of them say it's true, in fact, they go out of their way to question it.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/18/trump-directed-cohen-to-lie-to-congres
s-about-moscow-project-report.html

^ "NBC News has not independently confirmed the report, which was published Thursday night."

http://www.msnbc.com/transcripts/11th-hour-with-brian-williams/2019-01
-17

^ "NBC News has not independently confirmed the report, which was published Thursday night."

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-tower-moscow-deal-trump-told-mic
hael-cohen-to-lie-to-congress-2019-1

^ This one even includes Mueller's contradictory statement.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/democrats-say-report-that-trump-told
-cohen-to-lie-about-moscow-deal-if-true-could-prove-obstruction-2019-01-17

^ This one even says "if true" in the link" - you couldn't even be bothered to read that. But of course Truth and Accuracy are not what you're after. You're just here to agitate.

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-01-18/buzzfeed-s-trump
-cohen-story-describes-clearly-impeachable-crimes

^ "If the BuzzFeed story reporting that Donald Trump, while president, ordered his lawyer Michael Cohen to lie to Congress is true..."

https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-trump-cohen-20190118-story.
html

^ "... alleges... if true" etc.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/18/opinion/buzzfeed-cohen-trump-tower.
html

^ "If the account holds up, it’s arguably the clearest evidence yet that Trump obstructed justice..."

https://www.vox.com/2019/1/18/18188125/trump-buzzfeed-mueller-cohen-ob
struction

^ "If the report is true, they said, then yes..."

So, wrong every single time - just more agitation and fake posting from the biggest liar on the forum, thanks SIGGY.






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Sunday, January 20, 2019 10:38 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by whozit:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/mueller-team-disputes-buzzfeed-report-
claiming-trump-told-cohen-to-lie


In an attempt to embarrass Trump they ruined their own reputation, now everyone will question everything they report on Trump.

If Cohen tells Congress, when he testifies in February, that Trump explicitly directed him to lie, there won’t be proof it happened.

The only way out of this mess is that, hypothetically, Cohen recorded Trump and the audio was not found by Mueller in the search of Cohen’s office, home, hotel room, wherever. If there was a recording, the Republicans in the Senate will never vote guilty in Trump’s trial. But there is probably no recording. And nothing real will come from this story:

“I made these misstatements to be consistent with Individual 1’s political messaging and out of loyalty to Individual 1,” Cohen said at his plea hearing late last year, using the term “Individual 1” to refer to Trump.

Cohen had not said during the hearing that Trump had explicitly directed him to lie.

Cohen has not addressed BuzzFeed’s reporting, and BuzzFeed has made clear he was not a source for its story. Lanny J. Davis, a legal and communications adviser to Cohen, said before the special counsel statement was issued, “Out of respect for Mr. Mueller’s and the Office of Special Counsel’s investigation, Mr. Cohen declined to respond to the questions asked by the reporters and so do I.” He declined to address it after the special counsel’s office released the statement.

www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/inside-the-mueller-team
s-decision-to-dispute-buzzfeeds-explosive-story-on-trump-and-cohen/2019/01/19/d89dba5b-fa0f-445b-9fd3-72f0e911e28d_story.html


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Sunday, January 20, 2019 11:42 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Me personally, I think you're a common liar and a bit looney. Let's look at your "proof." None of them say it's true, in fact, they go out of their way to question it. REAVERSHIT
Then why did they "report" it if they couldn't confirm its validity? Where is all of that "fact checking" that they're supposed to be doing as "independent" journalists? They're just repeating gossip at that point.

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Sunday, January 20, 2019 11:55 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

Me personally, I think you're a common liar and a bit looney. Let's look at your "proof." None of them say it's true, in fact, they go out of their way to question it. REAVERSHIT
Then why did they "report" it if they couldn't confirm its validity? Where is all of that "fact checking" that they're supposed to be doing as "independent" journalists? They're just repeating gossip at that point.

Because “I made these misstatements to be consistent with Individual 1’s political messaging and out of loyalty to Individual 1,” Cohen said at his plea hearing late last year, using the term “Individual 1” to refer to Trump.

Cohen had not said during the hearing that Trump had explicitly directed him to lie. Implicitly Trump told Cohen to lie. Only a recording of Trump telling Cohen to lie will ever raise this to explicit. But any recording would be called "Fake" by Trump. Signym trapped herself in a world where nothing is real until Trump says it is real and he is smart enough not to do that.

Check Trump's retweet: https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1086995116496224256
"Journalism is DEAD. The circus clowns who ran with the fake Buzzfeed story today are nothing more than hatchet men for the DNC. As always, TRUMP WAS PROVEN RIGHT. #winning #MAGA"


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Sunday, January 20, 2019 12:11 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Because “I made these misstatements to be consistent with Individual 1’s political messaging and out of loyalty to Individual 1” Cohen said at his plea hearing late last year, using the term “Individual 1” to refer to Trump.


I MADE these misstatements ... OUT OF LOYALTY.

That does seem to indicate that his actions were self-directed and self-motivated.

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Sunday, January 20, 2019 1:05 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

Because “I made these misstatements to be consistent with Individual 1’s political messaging and out of loyalty to Individual 1” Cohen said at his plea hearing late last year, using the term “Individual 1” to refer to Trump.


I MADE these misstatements ... OUT OF LOYALTY.

That does seem to indicate that his actions were self-directed and self-motivated.

Signym, we all know that Trump was not in the room and not holding a gun to Cohen's head when Cohen lied to Congress. But Trump was holding a gun to Cohen. Trump could fire Cohen after, if Cohen did not lie. Trump knew it. Cohen knew it. Now you know it. The only thing we don't know is where is the audio recording where Trump makes that explicit to Cohen? If there was a perfect recording, Trump would say it was "Fake" and that is enough for Senate Republicans to vote not guilty. Everybody in Congress knows that Trump will say "Fake!" and that at least 34 Senators will vote not guilty based on Trump's word: "Fake!".

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Sunday, January 20, 2019 1:30 PM

WHOZIT


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by whozit:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/mueller-team-disputes-buzzfeed-report-
claiming-trump-told-cohen-to-lie


In an attempt to embarrass Trump they ruined their own reputation, now everyone will question everything they report on Trump.

If Cohen tells Congress, when he testifies in February, that Trump explicitly directed him to lie, there won’t be proof it happened.

The only way out of this mess is that, hypothetically, Cohen recorded Trump and the audio was not found by Mueller in the search of Cohen’s office, home, hotel room, wherever. If there was a recording, the Republicans in the Senate will never vote guilty in Trump’s trial. But there is probably no recording. And nothing real will come from this story:

“I made these misstatements to be consistent with Individual 1’s political messaging and out of loyalty to Individual 1,” Cohen said at his plea hearing late last year, using the term “Individual 1” to refer to Trump.

Cohen had not said during the hearing that Trump had explicitly directed him to lie.

Cohen has not addressed BuzzFeed’s reporting, and BuzzFeed has made clear he was not a source for its story. Lanny J. Davis, a legal and communications adviser to Cohen, said before the special counsel statement was issued, “Out of respect for Mr. Mueller’s and the Office of Special Counsel’s investigation, Mr. Cohen declined to respond to the questions asked by the reporters and so do I.” He declined to address it after the special counsel’s office released the statement.

www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/inside-the-mueller-team
s-decision-to-dispute-buzzfeeds-explosive-story-on-trump-and-cohen/2019/01/19/d89dba5b-fa0f-445b-9fd3-72f0e911e28d_story.html


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly



I think Cohen is going to be a total let down

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Sunday, January 20, 2019 1:49 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by whozit:

I think Cohen is going to be a total let down

If Cohen testified that Trump got $413 Million from his Dad, largely from Tax Dodges, what would change? Trump already said, "Fake!" which was good enough for most people to conclude Trump is honest, wholesome and sincere when he files his taxes. Nothing will change, no matter how much truth is available about Trump, until Trump collaborates Cohen's testimony. Trump will never do it and, therefore, Cohen's testimony will be ignored by Senate Republicans, the only people in America who could make Trump behave himself, at least in theory.

www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-10-02/ny-times-trump-got-413m-fro
m-his-dad-much-from-tax-dodges


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Sunday, January 20, 2019 2:38 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

The only thing we don't know is where is the audio recording where Trump makes that explicit to Cohen?
Maybe nowhere. IF there was a recording and Cohen knew about it (because he made it) and Mueller had it, don't you think that Cohen would have re-framed his testimony to say that he was directed by Trump, especially since there is irrefutable evidence? Wouldn't that have gotten him a lighter sentence? Because isn't that how Mueller works: Intimidating the underlings to turn on their bosses in exchange for a better plea deal?

I think you're just making baseless assumptions at this point. Like a lot of people on the board, you confuse accusation with evidence.

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Sunday, January 20, 2019 3:26 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

The only thing we don't know is where is the audio recording where Trump makes that explicit to Cohen?
Maybe nowhere. IF there was a recording and Cohen knew about it (because he made it) and Mueller had it, don't you think that Cohen would have re-framed his testimony to say that he was directed by Trump, especially since there is irrefutable evidence? Wouldn't that have gotten him a lighter sentence? Because isn't that how Mueller works: Intimidating the underlings to turn on their bosses in exchange for a better plea deal?

I think you're just making baseless assumptions at this point. Like a lot of people on the board, you confuse accusation with evidence.

There will be no audio recording of Trump reminding Cohen to lie to Congress or else be fired. Cohen is not a deep enough thinker to have planned ahead for this day. That's why he is going to prison. That's why he worked for Trump to begin with. He's not wise or talented and he never saved the evidence that would convict Trump while keeping Cohen out of jail in a deal with prosecutors. Cohen was stupid about how to protect himself from Trump.

Mueller stirs up as little trouble as possible, trying to make Trump forget Mueller even exists, because he knows he is dealing with Trump, who discounts everything as "Fake!" and could have the CIA murder Mueller. Trump's knee-jerk reaction was to claim that he didn't cheat on hundreds of millions in estate taxes owed. Maybe he could prove it, but people take his word rather than demand he turn over the proof; he refuses to reveal the actual tax returns for the Trump Family estate.

www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-10-02/ny-times-trump-got-413m-fro
m-his-dad-much-from-tax-dodges



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Sunday, January 20, 2019 5:08 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


SECOND, like most people with Trump Derangement Syndrome, you have snakes in your head. Your accusations and suppositions twist and turn and double-back on themselves, crossing paths and even colliding head-on, in order to justify your every whine and bitch. How else can you explain posting these two directly contradictory posts within just a few hours of each other? Is your memory that bad? Or are you just deeply warped?

Quote:

The only thing we don't know is where is the audio recording where Trump makes that explicit to Cohen?
and

Quote:

There will be no audio recording of Trump reminding Cohen to lie to Congress or else be fired.
This is a good example why I not only don't take you seriously anymore, I ignore almost everything you post: You're full of shit.


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Monday, January 21, 2019 2:49 AM

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When the media becomes the news

quote

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We’re getting new submissions every 30 seconds. Every member of the media who defamed, slandered, and doxxed the CovingtonBoys on Twitter will be served.


https://twitter.com/thecjpearson/status/1087115979807748096

Each and every tweet will be archived and turned over to the students’ legal counsel.

There were even bomb threats, another crazy dude who wanted to throw kids into woodchippers ... they wanted to stop the kids ever getting employment in the future .... ask yourself wtf is wrong with these people?

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Monday, January 21, 2019 5:46 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SECOND, like most people with Trump Derangement Syndrome, you have snakes in your head. Your accusations and suppositions twist and turn and double-back on themselves, crossing paths and even colliding head-on, in order to justify your every whine and bitch. How else can you explain posting these two directly contradictory posts within just a few hours of each other? Is your memory that bad? Or are you just deeply warped?

Quote:

The only thing we don't know is where is the audio recording where Trump makes that explicit to Cohen?
and

Quote:

There will be no audio recording of Trump reminding Cohen to lie to Congress or else be fired.
This is a good example why I not only don't take you seriously anymore, I ignore almost everything you post: You're full of shit.


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I laughed so hard!

Thanks for the giggles, Russian troll.

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Monday, January 21, 2019 9:26 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Then why did they "report" it if they couldn't confirm its validity? Where is all of that "fact checking" that they're supposed to be doing as "independent" journalists? They're just repeating gossip at that point.



Bigger question: Why did you cite 8 different news sources and say they reported it as fact when they didn't?

Another question: Are you so naive to not understand that validating someone else's report takes time?

Another question: You do realize that you just got busted for making sh*t up again, right?

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Monday, January 21, 2019 10:23 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Then why did they "report" it if they couldn't confirm its validity? Where is all of that "fact checking" that they're supposed to be doing as "independent" journalists? They're just repeating gossip at that point.



Bigger question: Why did you cite 8 different news sources and say they reported it as fact when they didn't?

Another question: Are you so naive to not understand that validating someone else's report takes time?

Another question: You do realize that you just got busted for making sh*t up again, right?



Spankin' the shit out of that Russian troll!


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Monday, January 21, 2019 11:00 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Hey! I heard that REAVERSHIT IS A BOT AND GSTRING IS A PAID TROLL! THAT"S WHAT A LAWYER INVOLVED IN THEIR LIBEL SAID!

I haven't been able to confirm that, but I just thought I'd pass that gossip along as a front-page headline to get your eyeballs, knowing that you probably wouldn't wade into the article, and save my caveats for later!

*****

And THAT'S exactly how the "Steele Dossier" was spread around, too... Origianlly "reported" by Buzzfeed, it turned out to have been paid for by the Hillary campaign, none of the salacious content was ever verified, and even the DOJ suspected its content. And you're STILL talking about it today as if it were true, even tho it's unsubstantiated gossip!

This is the "free" and "independent" media behaving exactly the way that GSTRING says that they do (grab your eyeballs for money and politics) and doing exactly what they're NOT supposed to do, which is spreading rumors and lies: AKA FAKE NEWS.

But you have to wonder- or at least I do: WHY DOES THEIR FAKE NEWS ALWAYS LEAN IN ONE DIRECTION?

Could it be that the M$M is BIASED???
At times like this, the M$M still makes me think of this



The M$M: flinging poop everywhere.

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Monday, January 21, 2019 11:28 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Hey! I heard that REAVERSHIT IS A BOT AND GSTRING IS A PAID TROLL! THAT"S WHAT A LAWYER INVOLVED IN THEIR LIBEL SAID!

I haven't been able to confirm that, but I just thought I'd pass that gossip along as a front-page headline to get your eyeballs, knowing that you probably wouldn't wade into the article, and save my caveats for later!

*****

And THAT'S exactly how the "Steele Dossier" was spread around, too... Origianlly "reported" by Buzzfeed, it turned out to have been paid for by the Hillary campaign, none of the salacious content was ever verified, and even the DOJ suspected its content.

This is the "free" and "independent" media behaving exactly the way that GSTRING says that they do (grab your eyeballs for money and politics) and doing exactly what they're NOT supposed to do, which is spreading rumors and lies: AKA FAKE NEWS.

But you have to wonder- or at least I do: WHY DOES THEIR FAKE NEWS ALWAYS LEAN IN ONE DIRECTION?

Could it be that the M$M is BIASED???
At times like this, the M$M still makes me think of this

The M$M: flinging poop everywhere.




Serious question: Why did you cite 8 different news sources and say they reported it as fact when they didn't?

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Monday, January 21, 2019 11:58 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Serious question: Why did you cite 8 different news sources and say they reported it as fact when they didn't?-GSTRING
Serious question: Why do you keep lying about what I posted??

I never posted that. The only times "reported as fact" shows up in this thread is when YOU post it. So, what are you? Just another poop-flinging hippo?

You're so biased, you can't tell fact from the fiction in your head. I mean, what I posted is there in black and white (or green and red, or whatever colors you've chosen). How is it that you can't even get THAT right? Are you arguing with those voices in your head again?

But if you can manage to accurately quote what I posted, then we can get around to discussing it.

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Monday, January 21, 2019 12:42 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


I imagine you now, GSTRING, scanning up and down the posts to see if you can somehow twist what I posted into whatever it was you were trying to nail me with.

Keep trying, and good luck!

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Monday, January 21, 2019 1:49 PM

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You got your ass spanked. You're just embarrassing yourself now, Russian troll.

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Monday, January 21, 2019 1:53 PM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

But if you can manage to accurately quote what I posted, then we can get around to discussing it.




That's a lie - I literally quoted you. ^ Go look.

Now will you concede that those sources did not say the Buzzfeed story was fact? That there is no conspiracy or lunacy, just you attempting to smear non-Trump sucking media?

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Monday, January 21, 2019 3:09 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

But if you can manage to accurately quote what I posted, then we can get around to discussing it.- SIGNY

That's a lie - I literally quoted you. ^ Go look.- GSTRING

Uh huh. If you did, then prove it: QUOTE ME where I posted that they reported AS FACT.

Or do an alt+E+F (find on this page) and look for the "as fact" phrase. It only occurs in YOUR POSTS.

IF you can actually manage to tell the truth and accurately quote what I posted, then we can discuss is. So far, you've failed. But hey, QUOTE ME and we can discuss.



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Monday, January 21, 2019 3:58 PM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

But if you can manage to accurately quote what I posted, then we can get around to discussing it.- SIGNY

That's a lie - I literally quoted you. ^ Go look.- GSTRING

Uh huh. If you did, then prove it: QUOTE ME where I posted that they reported AS FACT.

Or do an alt+E+F (find on this page) and look for the "as fact" phrase. It only occurs in YOUR POSTS.

IF you can actually manage to tell the truth and accurately quote what I posted, then we can discuss is. So far, you've failed. But hey, QUOTE ME and we can discuss.



Sorry, wrong again, I did quote you - I literally used the quote function - just scroll up if you're not too weak.

Let's try and crack this nut from a different angle - why did you post those 8 links? Did you post it to show that the MSM had acted professionally by saying they hadn't verified the Buzzfeed content yet? Did you simply beat me to it? Why didn't you just say, "I just said that!" Stranger still, if that was your intent, then why would you characterize their professionalism by saying it's, "Conspiracy or lunacy, not sure which, but take your pick."

Sorry hun, your story keep getting flimsier.

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Monday, January 21, 2019 4:16 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


THIS is what I posted

Quote:

Buzzfeed faking news is one thing, but when the M$M and Democrats in Congress run with it, that's something else. Conspiracy or lunacy, not sure which, but take your pick.


Quote:

Then why did they "report" it if they couldn't confirm its validity? Where is all of that "fact checking" that they're supposed to be doing as "independent" journalists? They're just repeating gossip at that point.

I posted that they "ran with it". I posted that they "reported" it. Nowhere did I post that they reported it "as fact".

In fact, nowhere did I post that they reported it at all: That's why I used the quotation marks when I used the word "report" ... because I was using it in an ironic sense. They didn't do all the usual stuff that's supposed to be part of normal reporting.

Methinks you don't know how to do a phrase search. And IF you really did use the "quote" function, that phrase sure doesn't show up anything other than what YOU posted. Maybe the person you were quoting was yourself. So get your head out of your ass.

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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

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Monday, January 21, 2019 4:45 PM

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Pedantry is the last refuge of the Russian troll.

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Tuesday, January 22, 2019 2:03 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


REAVERSHIT




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Tuesday, January 22, 2019 6:42 AM

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Tuesday, January 22, 2019 8:11 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
THIS is what I posted

Quote:

Buzzfeed faking news is one thing, but when the M$M and Democrats in Congress run with it, that's something else. Conspiracy or lunacy, not sure which, but take your pick.



THAT is what I quoted, df.

So, to the bigger question of your intent in posting:

"Let's try and crack this nut from a different angle - why did you post those 8 links? Did you post it to show that the MSM had acted professionally by saying they hadn't verified the Buzzfeed content yet? Did you simply beat me to it? Why didn't you just say, "I just said that!" Stranger still, if that was your intent, then why would you characterize their professionalism by saying it's, "Conspiracy or lunacy, not sure which, but take your pick."

You posted those links why?

Methinks you are lying by avoiding answering that simple question.

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Tuesday, January 22, 2019 8:18 AM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


A foolproof hack of the media
www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2019/01/rudy-giuliani-explained/

Rudy Giuliani. He’s been busy over the past few days doing interviews about Donald Trump’s involvement in building a Trump Tower in Moscow. After each interview he then “clarified” what he meant, ultimately ending with a statement today that nothing he said was based on talking to Trump anyway.

It’s obvious what Giuliani has been doing ever since he started representing Trump last year: tossing out chaff so vigorously that nobody can tell from day to day what the current story is supposed to be. The point of this — and this is the important part — is not just to confuse everyone. It’s to make Giuliani the bearer of bad news so that eventually, when Trump is forced to admit something damaging, it’s “old news” that he’s been “saying all along.” The complete explanation for Giuliani looks something like this:

1) Giuliani is chosen as Trump’s “lawyer” because TV networks love him and will always give him airtime.

2) In times of crisis, Giuliani starts tossing out story after story, creating confusion and making Giuliani, not Trump, the center of attention.

3) All of these stories are deniable by the White House since they come from someone whose actual position is kind of vague. Eventually, though, one of them sticks.

4) Later—which could be days or weeks depending on how long Trump lies low—Trump publicly acknowledges the final story and says it’s already been litigated to death and is old news.

5) By then, (a) everyone really is confused, (b) they don’t remember all the details from a few weeks ago, and (c) there’s some new scandal that’s seized everyone’s attention. So Trump’s confession slides under the radar.

This isn’t a foolproof hack of the media, but it’s pretty good. It shows a sophisticated understanding of how the modern media works and how to undermine it, and Giuliani is the perfect choice for the main role. He’s well known; TV reporters like him; he’s loud and pushy and Trumplike; and he’s willing to sound like a doofus if that’s what it takes.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
THIS is what I posted

Quote:

Buzzfeed faking news is one thing, but when the M$M and Democrats in Congress run with it, that's something else. Conspiracy or lunacy, not sure which, but take your pick.



THAT is what I quoted, df.

So, to the bigger question of your intent in posting:

"Let's try and crack this nut from a different angle - why did you post those 8 links? Did you post it to show that the MSM had acted professionally by saying they hadn't verified the Buzzfeed content yet? Did you simply beat me to it? Why didn't you just say, "I just said that!" Stranger still, if that was your intent, then why would you characterize their professionalism by saying it's, "Conspiracy or lunacy, not sure which, but take your pick."

You posted those links why?

Methinks you are lying by avoiding answering that simple question.




By Max Boot
Columnist
January 21

Trump should not take solace from Mueller’s cryptic correction

Trump should not take too much solace from Mueller’s cryptic correction. BuzzFeed may well have been wrong in writing that Trump personally told Cohen to lie (although the publication still stands by its article). But Cohen himself admitted in his sentencing plea that his lie to Congress was “in accordance with Client-1’s directives.” So while the special counsel’s team might not have evidence that Trump personally told Cohen to lie, it’s not disputing Cohen’s claim that his false testimony was coordinated with Trump’s aides in furtherance of the president’s own lies.

While BuzzFeed’s disputed report does make the rest of the press look bad by association, we should remember how much the media have gotten right. Thanks to intrepid reporting we know that the Trump campaign tried to change the language of the Republican platform to be less critical of Russia; that Trump’s campaign chairman, Paul Manafort, got millions of dollars from pro-Russian oligarchs in Ukraine; that Trump’s national security adviser, Michael Flynn, had secret conversations with the Russian ambassador and then lied to the FBI; that Trump pressured FBI Director James B. Comey to shut down the investigation of Flynn; that Trump told Russian diplomats that firing “nut job” Comey eased pressure on Russia; that the high command of the Trump campaign met with a Russian representative promising dirt on Hillary Clinton; that Trump repeatedly tried to fire Mueller; that Trump tried to hide details of his meetings with Russian President Vladimir Putin from his own aides; and that the FBI investigated Trump as a possible Russian asset.

And those are only some of the major revelations about the Trump-Russia connection. Non-Russia-related scoops include Trump’s reference to “shithole” African countries, his alleged involvement in tax fraud and foundation fraud, and his own aides’ disparagement of him as a “moron” and an “idiot.”

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Tuesday, January 22, 2019 12:28 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

So, to the bigger question of your intent in posting:

"Let's try and crack this nut from a different angle - why did you post those 8 links? Did you post it to show that the MSM had acted professionally by saying they hadn't verified the Buzzfeed content yet? Did you simply beat me to it? Why didn't you just say, "I just said that!" Stranger still, if that was your intent, then why would you characterize their professionalism by saying it's, "Conspiracy or lunacy, not sure which, but take your pick."

You posted those links why?

Methinks you are lying by avoiding answering that simple question.=GSTRING

I already answered that question in my original post, and again in my subsequent post, and again in my post after that. So let me try to explain as clearly as possible:

Of ALL of the "news" out there, the M$M picks and chooses which pieces to "run with" and which to spike (an old editor's term which means "put on the "reject" spike). In 2017, how many M$M stories were posted/written about starvation in Yemen? I heard that it was zero. How many stories written about Stormy Daniels? Whatever the number, it was far too many.

So, why "run with" this item at all? The headlines almost all present this as a fait accompli ...

Quote:

Trump directed Cohen to lie to Congress. TRANSCRIPT: 1/17/19, The 11th Hour w/ Brian Williams

BuzzFeed's Trump-Cohen Story Describes Clearly Impeachable Crimes

A bombshell report says Trump ordered Michael Cohen to lie to Congress about the Trump Tower Moscow deal

BuzzFeed’s Controversial Cohen Story Raises Question: Did Trump Want to Be President?



A few attempt to wash their hands of the story - even as they post it - by saying "Buzzfeed said it"

Quote:

Trump told his lawyer Michael Cohen to lie to Congress about Russia Trump Tower deal, BuzzFeed report says

Democrats say report that Trump told Cohen to lie about Moscow deal, if true, could prove obstruction



DESPITE the fact that they couldn't independently verify the content, they splashed it pretty much everywhere. Then they saved their caveats and doubts for halfway down page. The M$M knows that most people don't even get that far: They scan the headlines, maybe read the first paragraph, and get their "news" that way.

But here is my question: Why even put this item "out there"? It's not news, it hasn't gone thru the vetting process, it's -literally- just repeating gossip. We, AND THE M$M, would have been better off without this item at all.

I think I know what you're going to say, GSTRING: That's the news business. They're afraid of getting scooped. They need eyeballs. I just don't "understand" how media works. It's clickbait.

But by saying that, don't you realize that you've discredited all of the so-called news outlets that you yourself have vaunted as a "free press? You've reduced them to gossip rags and entertainment - no better than the grocery-store checkout magazines with stories about UFOs and mink coats coming to life and eating their owner.

And this is EXACTLY - and I mean EXACTLY- how the so-called Steel dossier gained traction: IT was "reported" by Buzzfeed and subsequently "reported" by news outlets everywhere, and despite that fact that its salacious content has NOT EVER been verified, PEOPLE STILL BELIEVE IT TO BE TRUE.

This isn't news, it's not reporting, it's mass manipulation. In other words: FAKE NEWS.

*****

Now I have a question for YOU, which you have not answered: Why are all of these stories anti-Trump? If all the M$M was trying to do was grab eyeballs, why don't the stories swing both ways, at least SOME of the time? I mean, if you're going to post fake news, may as well fake in the other direction once in a while, right?

TRUMP HALTS ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION, BUZZFEED SAYS.
TARIFFS OFFSET TAX CUTS, BUZZFEED REPORTS.
TRUMP RAISES CHILD FROM DEAD, BUZZFEED POSTS.
ECONOMY AT ALL-TIME HIGH THANKS TO TRUMP, BUZZFEED CALCULATES.

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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

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Tuesday, January 22, 2019 3:34 PM

REAVERFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

So, to the bigger question of your intent in posting:

"Let's try and crack this nut from a different angle - why did you post those 8 links? Did you post it to show that the MSM had acted professionally by saying they hadn't verified the Buzzfeed content yet? Did you simply beat me to it? Why didn't you just say, "I just said that!" Stranger still, if that was your intent, then why would you characterize their professionalism by saying it's, "Conspiracy or lunacy, not sure which, but take your pick."

You posted those links why?

Methinks you are lying by avoiding answering that simple question.=GSTRING

I already answered that question in my original post, and again in my subsequent post, and again in my post after that. So let me try to explain as clearly as possible:

Of ALL of the "news" out there, the M$M picks and chooses which pieces to "run with" and which to spike (an old editor's term which means "put on the "reject" spike). In 2017, how many M$M stories were posted/written about starvation in Yemen? I heard that it was zero. How many stories written about Stormy Daniels? Whatever the number, it was far too many.

So, why "run with" this item at all? The headlines almost all present this as a fait accompli ...

Quote:

Trump directed Cohen to lie to Congress. TRANSCRIPT: 1/17/19, The 11th Hour w/ Brian Williams

BuzzFeed's Trump-Cohen Story Describes Clearly Impeachable Crimes

A bombshell report says Trump ordered Michael Cohen to lie to Congress about the Trump Tower Moscow deal

BuzzFeed’s Controversial Cohen Story Raises Question: Did Trump Want to Be President?



A few attempt to wash their hands of the story - even as they post it - by saying "Buzzfeed said it"

Quote:

Trump told his lawyer Michael Cohen to lie to Congress about Russia Trump Tower deal, BuzzFeed report says

Democrats say report that Trump told Cohen to lie about Moscow deal, if true, could prove obstruction



DESPITE the fact that they couldn't independently verify the content, they splashed it pretty much everywhere. Then they saved their caveats and doubts for halfway down page. The M$M knows that most people don't even get that far: They scan the headlines, maybe read the first paragraph, and get their "news" that way.

But here is my question: Why even put this item "out there"? It's not news, it hasn't gone thru the vetting process, it's -literally- just repeating gossip. We, AND THE M$M, would have been better off without this item at all.

I think I know what you're going to say, GSTRING: That's the news business. They're afraid of getting scooped. They need eyeballs. I just don't "understand" how media works. It's clickbait.

But by saying that, don't you realize that you've discredited all of the so-called news outlets that you yourself have vaunted as a "free press? You've reduced them to gossip rags and entertainment - no better than the grocery-store checkout magazines with stories about UFOs and mink coats coming to life and eating their owner.

And this is EXACTLY - and I mean EXACTLY- how the so-called Steel dossier gained traction: IT was "reported" by Buzzfeed and subsequently "reported" by news outlets everywhere, and despite that fact that its salacious content has NOT EVER been verified, PEOPLE STILL BELIEVE IT TO BE TRUE.

This isn't news, it's not reporting, it's mass manipulation. In other words: FAKE NEWS.

*****

Now I have a question for YOU, which you have not answered: Why are all of these stories anti-Trump? If all the M$M was trying to do was grab eyeballs, why don't the stories swing both ways, at least SOME of the time? I mean, if you're going to post fake news, may as well fake in the other direction once in a while, right?

TRUMP HALTS ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION, BUZZFEED SAYS.
TARIFFS OFFSET TAX CUTS, BUZZFEED REPORTS.
TRUMP RAISES CHILD FROM DEAD, BUZZFEED POSTS.
ECONOMY AT ALL-TIME HIGH THANKS TO TRUMP, BUZZFEED CALCULATES.

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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

Credibility destroyed. ^

And the funny part is you did to yourself!

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Tuesday, January 22, 2019 3:37 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

[/i]


Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

So, to the bigger question of your intent in posting:

"Let's try and crack this nut from a different angle - why did you post those 8 links? Did you post it to show that the MSM had acted professionally by saying they hadn't verified the Buzzfeed content yet? Did you simply beat me to it? Why didn't you just say, "I just said that!" Stranger still, if that was your intent, then why would you characterize their professionalism by saying it's, "Conspiracy or lunacy, not sure which, but take your pick."

You posted those links why?

Methinks you are lying by avoiding answering that simple question.=GSTRING

I already answered that question in my original post, and again in my subsequent post, and again in my post after that. So let me try to explain as clearly as possible:

Of ALL of the "news" out there, the M$M picks and chooses which pieces to "run with" and which to spike (an old editor's term which means "put on the "reject" spike). In 2017, how many M$M stories were posted/written about starvation in Yemen? I heard that it was zero. How many stories written about Stormy Daniels? Whatever the number, it was far too many.

So, why "run with" this item at all? The headlines almost all present this as a fait accompli ...

Quote:

Trump directed Cohen to lie to Congress. TRANSCRIPT: 1/17/19, The 11th Hour w/ Brian Williams

BuzzFeed's Trump-Cohen Story Describes Clearly Impeachable Crimes

A bombshell report says Trump ordered Michael Cohen to lie to Congress about the Trump Tower Moscow deal

BuzzFeed’s Controversial Cohen Story Raises Question: Did Trump Want to Be President?



A few attempt to wash their hands of the story - even as they post it - by saying "Buzzfeed said it"

Quote:

Trump told his lawyer Michael Cohen to lie to Congress about Russia Trump Tower deal, BuzzFeed report says

Democrats say report that Trump told Cohen to lie about Moscow deal, if true, could prove obstruction



DESPITE the fact that they couldn't independently verify the content, they splashed it pretty much everywhere. Then they saved their caveats and doubts for halfway down page. The M$M knows that most people don't even get that far: They scan the headlines, maybe read the first paragraph, and get their "news" that way.

But here is my question: Why even put this item "out there"? It's not news, it hasn't gone thru the vetting process, it's -literally- just repeating gossip. We, AND THE M$M, would have been better off without this item at all.

I think I know what you're going to say, GSTRING: That's the news business. They're afraid of getting scooped. They need eyeballs. I just don't "understand" how media works. It's clickbait.

But by saying that, don't you realize that you've discredited all of the so-called news outlets that you yourself have vaunted as a "free press? You've reduced them to gossip rags and entertainment - no better than the grocery-store checkout magazines with stories about UFOs and mink coats coming to life and eating their owner.

And this is EXACTLY - and I mean EXACTLY- how the so-called Steel dossier gained traction: IT was "reported" by Buzzfeed and subsequently "reported" by news outlets everywhere, and despite that fact that its salacious content has NOT EVER been verified, PEOPLE STILL BELIEVE IT TO BE TRUE.

This isn't news, it's not reporting, it's mass manipulation. In other words: FAKE NEWS.

*****

Now I have a question for YOU, which you have not answered: Why are all of these stories anti-Trump? If all the M$M was trying to do was grab eyeballs, why don't the stories swing both ways, at least SOME of the time? I mean, if you're going to post fake news, may as well fake in the other direction once in a while, right?

TRUMP HALTS ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION, BUZZFEED SAYS.
TARIFFS OFFSET TAX CUTS, BUZZFEED REPORTS.
TRUMP RAISES CHILD FROM DEAD, BUZZFEED POSTS.
ECONOMY AT ALL-TIME HIGH THANKS TO TRUMP, BUZZFEED CALCULATES.

-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

Credibility destroyed. ^

And the funny part is you did to yourself!



Explain. In detail.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, January 22, 2019 3:54 PM

REAVERFAN


BuzzFeed News stands by report despite Mueller pushback
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/buzzfeed-news-stands-by-report
-despite-mueller-pushback


So, there's that.

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Tuesday, January 22, 2019 4:26 PM

WHOZIT


Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
BuzzFeed News stands by report despite Mueller pushback
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/buzzfeed-news-stands-by-report
-despite-mueller-pushback


So, there's that.



Well then the story must be true, like when Bill Clinton said, "I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss BJ"

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Tuesday, January 22, 2019 5:34 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

[/i]


Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
BuzzFeed News stands by report despite Mueller pushback
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/buzzfeed-news-stands-by-report
-despite-mueller-pushback


So, there's that.



But... but... I thought Mueller was the big hero.

He's not going to turn out to be just another Comey, is he?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, January 23, 2019 9:56 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Of ALL of the "news" out there, the M$M picks and chooses which pieces to "run with" and which to spike (an old editor's term which means "put on the "reject" spike). In 2017, how many M$M stories were posted/written about starvation in Yemen? I heard that it was zero. How many stories written about Stormy Daniels? Whatever the number, it was far too many.



Once again, you are either lying or not very bright. If you want to point fingers at who is to blame for what MSM "runs with" then point it at Readers. They print what their audience wants to read about. No, that doesn't mean they make shit up, but if you have a choice between a porn star or starving Yemeni, then the choice is pretty clear. And I know you know that, so I'm going with you're just acting stupid.

More SIGGY stupid:

Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
DESPITE the fact that they couldn't independently verify the content...

Misleading at the very least. We're back to SIGGY's greatest hits.

Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
...they splashed it pretty much everywhere. Then they saved their caveats and doubts for halfway down page. The M$M knows that most people don't even get that far: They scan the headlines, maybe read the first paragraph, and get their "news" that way.



Yep - that's how media works, congrats. And that's how the uniformed public works, double props.

Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
But here is my question: Why even put this item "out there"? It's not news, it hasn't gone thru the vetting process, it's -literally- just repeating gossip.



Not news? Something that could be the key to jettisoning this orange monkey out of the white house isn't news? Acting stupid again. "No vetting" - yeah, that's why they said, "if true." Lying again.

Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I think I know what you're going to say, GSTRING: That's the news business. They're afraid of getting scooped. They need eyeballs. I just don't "understand" how media works. It's clickbait.



Hey - I'd be right again! I don't even need to answer you any more! Hot Dog!

Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
But by saying that, don't you realize that you've discredited all of the so-called news outlets that you yourself have vaunted as a "free press? You've reduced them to gossip rags and entertainment - no better than the grocery-store checkout magazines with stories about UFOs and mink coats coming to life and eating their owner.



^zzzzzzz what a snore.

Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
And this is EXACTLY - and I mean EXACTLY- how the so-called Steel dossier gained traction: IT was "reported" by Buzzfeed and subsequently "reported" by news outlets everywhere, and despite that fact that its salacious content has NOT EVER been verified, PEOPLE STILL BELIEVE IT TO BE TRUE.

This isn't news, it's not reporting, it's mass manipulation. In other words: FAKE NEWS.



Harrumph! You cracked the code sweetie! Extra cookie later.

Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Now I have a question for YOU, which you have not answered: Why are all of these stories anti-Trump?



Easy - Because he's the biggest, lying f*ck-up ever and he's the president. Kinda big news.

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Wednesday, January 23, 2019 11:19 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Basically, GSTRING< you don't have a single good point in your whole post.

NO, it was not "news". "News" is when one reports on an event ... a real event, not gossip.

Yes, you HAVE reduced the "free press" to ambulance-chasing gossip-mongers.

NO, you HAVEN'T explained why the press is always making shit up in one direction. But you demonstrate it quite well, by matching their prejudice with yours.

But hey, thanks for playing, and better luck next time!

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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

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Wednesday, January 23, 2019 11:45 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Basically, GSTRING< you don't have a single good point in your whole post.

- Gee whiz, what a shock you would say that!

NO, it was not "news". "News" is when one reports on an event ... a real event, not gossip.

- The event was Buzzfeed's article - it really happened and they reported on it.

Yes, you HAVE reduced the "free press" to ambulance-chasing gossip-mongers.

- Um, no I haven't.

NO, you HAVEN'T explained why the press is always making shit up in one direction. But you demonstrate it quite well, by matching their prejudice with yours.

- yes I did. Trump is a press whore - before the election and after. You do realize he was trained in mass media manipulation? No? Figures. Dumb or lying - just 2 speeds with you.

But hey, thanks for playing, and better luck next time!

- Thx!

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Wednesday, January 23, 2019 11:54 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Um, no I haven't.
Um, yes you have. When you yourself say that the "free press'" main goal is to grab eyeballs, and defend their printing anything and everything whether they can verify the content or not, then you have allowed that they can repeat any sort of crap that comes their way as long as they get those advertising dollars.

So, what is the difference between them and those grocery-store checkout magazines?

I'm going to check out of this thread too. Please, continue to live in your bubble-wrapped echo-chamber alternate-reality if you so choose.

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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

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