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But what I think is that men and women often live in different worlds. I've spoken to enough men to have heard, more than a few times, that the first thing that a man does when entering a roomful of people is to scan which man they could take down, versus which men could take THEM down. It's a world I don't particularly want to live in. I prefer feeing people and gardening, not doing motorcycle hill-climbs.

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The examples you provide are biological differences, not inherent inequality for the sake of inequality.

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Also, your example of women and minorities faring "just as well or better" than men in blind tests doesn't hold water because there are studies out there that have shown that this has actually backfired in quite a few cases and has resulted in more white males being employed than women and minorities.

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Since women are more likely to leave a job at some point to raise children, this is a risk that needs to be considered by a business when hiring.

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It's certainly not a rule, but even in 2018 the chances are that when a couple has a kid, the smart thing to do is the man continues to work because he is making more money than the woman. This wasn't the case with my brother, who's wife is a pharmacist and made 4 times as much as he did, but that's because she put in the time and hard work to get a skilled degree in a career that was in demand, rather than bitching about women not getting into STEM fields while they get a worthless Gender Studies degree themselves.

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In any case, I do agree with blind resumes and testing. I think you agree with me that equal opportunity is what's important, but not at the cost of forcing equal outcome.

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My point here was that Equality Now, at least on its face and it's Mission Statement, doesn't seem to be about any of these myths of gender inequality in the Western world and seem to be focusing on areas that are truly oppressive to women.

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But what I think is that men and women often live in different worlds. I've spoken to enough men to have heard, more than a few times, that the first thing that a man does when entering a roomful of people is to scan which man they could take down, versus which men could take THEM down. It's a world I don't particularly want to live in. I prefer feeding people and gardening, not doing motorcycle hill-climbs.- SIGNY

I don't think this is probably true on the whole, but I certainly am one of those guys. Though I don't think by brother gives stuff like that a moment of his time, I am always surveying my situation and unless I'm working or doing something that needs to be done in the middle of a room, you'll usually see me on the perimeter with my back to a wall in a strategically defendable position. When I am working, unlike some other guys who wear headphones, I don't handicap my hearing and am always ready for the unexpected. Then again, I was at one point not only attacked from behind, but beaten down by four guys within an inch of my life and stabbed in the back while I was down.- SIX

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Do Right, Be Right. :)

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The examples you provide are biological differences, not inherent inequality for the sake of inequality.

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Yes, some of them

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Since women are more likely to leave a job at some point to raise children, this is a risk that needs to be considered by a business when hiring.

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Society needs to make up it's mind whether it's going to continue to disincentivize children being raised by their families, versus children being raised in some commercial/ institutional setting. Again, there's a whole long conversation possible about societal priorities.

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This is not a Society decision. This is a Family decision.

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Soiety needs to make up it's mind whether it's going to continue to disincentivize children being raised by their families, versus children being raised in some commercial/ institutional setting. Again, there's a whole long conversation possible about societal priorities.- SIGNY

This is not a Society decision. This is a Family decision. Few Families think that Society should make their Family and Child-rearing decisions, overriding Parental decisions.- JSF

Society already HAS decided. That's why so many women aren't having children, and why so many children are being raised in daycare. The question isn't whether society can (or should) decide, the question is whether society will change its decision. I'll explain more later but busy now.- SIGNY

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... you change feeing to feeding in the quote of your post, but not in the original post?

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This is not a Society decision. This is a Family decision.

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Society already HAS decided. That's why so many women aren't having children, and why so many children are being raised in daycare. The question isn't whether society can (or should) decide, the question is whether society will change its decision. I'll explain more later but busy now.

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This is not a Society decision. This is a Family decision. = JSF

Society already HAS decided. That's why so many women aren't having children, and why so many children are being raised in daycare. The question isn't whether society can (or should) decide, the question is whether society will change its decision. I'll explain more later but busy now.- SIGNY

Individual wymin have decided to not bear offspring. Individual mothers or parents have decided to not raise and nurture their offspring.
They have not made the decisions for all those who choose the opposite. -JSF

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