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Sunday, May 13, 2018 2:05 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


"If Putin will have journalists killed, he'd send a message by having an old traitor killed too."

What you have is a hypothesis - an assumed IF, followed by an unsupported THEN. It doesn't even rise to an unverified claim, let alone a fact.

And then, one needs to wonder - why now? - and why do something that gives you no advantage but invites all sorts of retaliation?

This is well within the territory of a false flag attack. The story of a large volume of liquid that somehow completely stuck on a doorknob, that an intensely deadly nerve agent a minimum of 6 hours to take effect, that neither victim was killed - in fact both are expected to make a full recovery, that all poisonings and suspicious deaths of expat Russians have taken place in Britain and nowhere else, that no one has seen either of the Skripals since the incident ... it makes no sense as a Russian operation.




SECOND is a troll because it constantly misrepresents what people post, fails to address their actual positions, and resorts to personal attacks when its brain isn't working (which is most of the time).

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Sunday, May 13, 2018 2:26 PM

JJ


Yeah except the Russians did it.

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Sunday, May 13, 2018 2:34 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


"If Putin will have journalists killed, he'd send a message by having an old traitor killed too."

What you have is a hypothesis - an assumed IF, followed by an unsupported THEN. It doesn't even rise to an unverified claim, let alone a fact.

And then, one needs to wonder - why now? - and why do something that gives you no advantage but invites all sorts of retaliation?

This is well within the territory of a false flag attack. The story of a large volume of liquid that somehow completely stuck on a doorknob, that an intensely deadly nerve agent took a minimum of 6 hours to take effect, that neither victim was killed - in fact both are expected to make a full recovery, that all poisonings and suspicious deaths of expat Russians have taken place in Britain and nowhere else, that no one has seen either of the Skripals since the incident ... it makes no sense as a Russian operation.




SECOND is a troll because it constantly misrepresents what people post, fails to address their actual positions, and resorts to personal attacks when its brain isn't working (which is most of the time).

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Sunday, May 13, 2018 2:57 PM

JJ


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
"If Putin will have journalists killed, he'd send a message by having an old traitor killed too."

What you have is a hypothesis - an assumed IF, followed by an unsupported THEN. It doesn't even rise to an unverified claim, let alone a fact.

And then, one needs to wonder - why now? - and why do something that gives you no advantage but invites all sorts of retaliation?

This is well within the territory of a false flag attack. The story of a large volume of liquid that somehow completely stuck on a doorknob, that an intensely deadly nerve agent took a minimum of 6 hours to take effect, that neither victim was killed - in fact both are expected to make a full recovery, that all poisonings and suspicious deaths of expat Russians have taken place in Britain and nowhere else, that no one has seen either of the Skripals since the incident ... it makes no sense as a Russian operation.




It's all easy to explain kiki. Russia can't do anything right.

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Sunday, May 13, 2018 3:47 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.




"If Putin will have journalists killed, he'd send a message by having an old traitor killed too."

What you have is a hypothesis - an assumed IF, followed by an unsupported THEN. It doesn't even rise to an unverified claim, let alone a fact.

And then, one needs to wonder - why now? - and why do something that gives you no advantage but invites all sorts of retaliation?

This is well within the territory of a false flag attack. The story of a large volume of liquid that somehow completely stuck on a doorknob, that an intensely deadly nerve agent took a minimum of 6 hours to take effect, that neither victim was killed - in fact both are expected to make a full recovery, that all poisonings and suspicious deaths of expat Russians have taken place in Britain and nowhere else, that no one has seen either of the Skripals since the incident ... it makes no sense as a Russian operation.




SECOND is a troll because it constantly misrepresents what people post, fails to address their actual positions, and resorts to personal attacks when its brain isn't working (which is most of the time).


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Monday, August 20, 2018 3:57 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-44230380
Russian spy poisoning: Yulia Skripal hopes to return to Russia
23 May 2018

News within the last few weeks is that she will be returning soon.






THUGGER admits it's not about RUSSIA !!! and is, in fact, a witch hunt. "Trump better be innocent of any wrong doing, anywhere, anytime."

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Monday, August 20, 2018 4:03 PM

SIGNYM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-44230380
Russian spy poisoning: Yulia Skripal hopes to return to Russia
23 May 2018
News within the last few weeks is that she will be returning soon.



Even Yulia doesn't believe the M$M story. I wonder when they'll let her go home?

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Monday, August 20, 2018 8:51 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Not any time soon, or they lose control of the narrative.




THUGGER admits it's not about RUSSIA !!! and is, in fact, a witch hunt. "Trump better be innocent of any wrong doing, anywhere, anytime."

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Wednesday, September 5, 2018 3:19 PM

THG


As I've always said, the Russians did it.


U.K. Charges Two Russians in Nerve Agent Attack, Identifies Them as Intelligence Officers

Prime Minister Theresa May identified two Russian men as suspects in the March chemical attack on former Russian spy Sergei Skripal and his daughter Yulia and claimed they were “officers from the Russian military intelligence service, also known as the GRU.” They were charged with conspiracy to murder Skripal as well as attempted murder of Skripal and his daughter.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/09/skripal-novichok-poisoning
-russians-charged-in-uk-nerve-agent-attack.html



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Wednesday, September 5, 2018 4:15 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Because governments never lie, and charges are evidence.

You're such a laughingstock.




THUGGER admits it's not about RUSSIA !!! and is, in fact, a witch hunt. "Trump better be innocent of any wrong doing, anywhere, anytime."

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Wednesday, September 5, 2018 4:32 PM

SIGNYM

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Has Yulia Skripal been allowed to go home yet?

And where is her father?

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Wednesday, September 5, 2018 5:09 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Sergei and Yulia disappeared from the news and from google, after Yulia was dutifully trotted out 6 months ago to make a very brief statement.

MEANWHILE, no scientific agency has yet declared the substance as Russian in origin. No, we have to depend on the completely honorable and trustworthy spook agencies to support that political claim.

https://www.siouxlandproud.com/news/us-uk-clash-with-russia-at-opcw-ov
er-new-investigative-team/1606587275

https://www.tristatehomepage.com/news/russian-challenge-to-chemical-we
apons-watchdog-rejected/1608619236

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/novichok-victims-sergei-yulia-sk
ripal-13713851

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/apr/03/porton-down-experts-un
able-to-verify-precise-source-of-novichok

http://tass.com/world/1032112





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Thursday, September 6, 2018 12:47 PM

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Thursday, September 6, 2018 2:52 PM

SIGNYM

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Curiously, according to security tapes they BOTH went thru an airport checkpoint at exactly the same time (to the second).

Quote:

Russia's Alleged Skripal 'Assassins' Caught Breaking The Laws Of Physics

.... The news comes nearly two months after investigators said they had identified the suspected perpetrators of the Novichok attack by crossing referencing CCTV feeds with records of people who entered the country around that time.

There's just one thing... About that CCTV feed!

Russia has apparently developed an astonishing new technology enabling its secret agents to occupy precisely the same space at precisely the same time.



https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2018/09/the-impossible-photo/ via
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-09-05/russias-alleged-skripal-assa
ssins-caught-breaking-laws-physics


Now, it IS possible that the suspects entered identical-looking tunnels at exactly the same time ... In any case, I thought the way the commentary was written was funny.

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Wednesday, September 12, 2018 6:37 AM

THG


Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Why use means that blink in giant red letters that RUSSIA DID IT ?



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Today's political strategy keyword is: Destabilization



Putin Says Accused Skripal Attackers Are Civilians

VLADIVOSTOK, Russia—President Vladimir Putin said the two Russians accused by the U.K. of poisoning a former Russian spy in England were civilians, maintaining Moscow’s denial of involvement and foreshadowing an alternative narrative of events that led to the largest-ever collective expulsion of Russian diplomats from the West.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/putin-says-he-knows-identities-of-suspect
ed-skripal-attackers-1536739419


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Wednesday, September 12, 2018 1:22 PM

THG


If you read through this thread you'll see the many times I said this is simple. The Russians did it.

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Wednesday, September 12, 2018 1:36 PM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Curiously, according to security tapes they BOTH went thru an airport checkpoint at exactly the same time (to the second).

Quote:

Russia's Alleged Skripal 'Assassins' Caught Breaking The Laws Of Physics

.... The news comes nearly two months after investigators said they had identified the suspected perpetrators of the Novichok attack by crossing referencing CCTV feeds with records of people who entered the country around that time.



There's just one thing... About that CCTV feed!
Now, it IS possible that the suspects entered identical-looking tunnels at exactly the same time ... In any case, I thought the way the commentary was written was funny.




Russia may also be using old technology: Photoshop. Did they add that stamp and then "release" the images? I don't find any direct links to Scotland Yard's web site with a release of those exact images. More misinformation?

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Thursday, September 13, 2018 9:35 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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Quote:

Originally posted by THG:

Putin Says Accused Skripal Attackers Are Civilians

VLADIVOSTOK, Russia—President Vladimir Putin said the two Russians accused by the U.K. of poisoning a former Russian spy in England were civilians, maintaining Moscow’s denial of involvement and foreshadowing an alternative narrative of events that led to the largest-ever collective expulsion of Russian diplomats from the West.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/putin-says-he-knows-identities-of-suspect
ed-skripal-attackers-1536739419





Funny he would say that. It's as bad as the little green men in Crimea, "those are not us. Do you see insignia of Russian army?! Then cannot be Russian army!"

So the 2 GRU poisoners are being questioned and it's getting just as absurd: "Our friends had been suggesting for a long time that we visit this wonderful town," they say about why they were in Salisbury. Riiiiight... so why did you not take any pictures on your lovely vacation? They claimed "we went there to see Stonehenge, Old Sarum, but we couldn’t do it because there was muddy slush everywhere." Locals say it's almost always muddy slush everywhere and that's precisely why there are so many man-made dry paths and dry roads to handle the influx of tourists.

Russians lie like Russians do everywhere.

Funny tweet: "Of course, we went there to see Stonehenge but we realised the Skripals were not in Stonehenge so we didn't go to Stonehenge."

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Thursday, September 13, 2018 10:53 AM

SIGNYM

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Quote:

There's just one thing... About that CCTV feed! ....

Now, it IS possible that the suspects entered identical-looking tunnels at exactly the same time ... In any case, I thought the way the commentary was written was funny.- SIGNY

Russia may also be using old technology: Photoshop. Did they add that stamp and then "release" the images? - GSTRING

Is reading with comprehension not your thing?

It wasn't the "Russians" who released those images. Go bird-dog down WHO released those images, and come back and tell us, m'kay?

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Thursday, September 13, 2018 1:32 PM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

There's just one thing... About that CCTV feed! ....

Now, it IS possible that the suspects entered identical-looking tunnels at exactly the same time ... In any case, I thought the way the commentary was written was funny.- SIGNY

Russia may also be using old technology: Photoshop. Did they add that stamp and then "release" the images? - GSTRING

Is reading with comprehension not your thing?



Is reading with comprehension not your thing?

I said:
I don't find any direct links to Scotland Yard's web site with a release of those exact images.

DO YOU? Do you know the source was other than zerohedge or f*cking some guy named craig murray?

You have to do better if you want to be believed.

Meanwhile, you have nothing to say about their lame, "wikileaks quoting" interview with RT.com ? Couldn't help but notice how you are trying to dodge that pile of sh*t.

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Thursday, September 13, 2018 2:23 PM

THG


Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:

Originally posted by THG:

Putin Says Accused Skripal Attackers Are Civilians

VLADIVOSTOK, Russia—President Vladimir Putin said the two Russians accused by the U.K. of poisoning a former Russian spy in England were civilians, maintaining Moscow’s denial of involvement and foreshadowing an alternative narrative of events that led to the largest-ever collective expulsion of Russian diplomats from the West.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/putin-says-he-knows-identities-of-suspect
ed-skripal-attackers-1536739419





Funny he would say that. It's as bad as the little green men in Crimea, "those are not us. Do you see insignia of Russian army?! Then cannot be Russian army!"

So the 2 GRU poisoners are being questioned and it's getting just as absurd: "Our friends had been suggesting for a long time that we visit this wonderful town," they say about why they were in Salisbury. Riiiiight... so why did you not take any pictures on your lovely vacation? They claimed "we went there to see Stonehenge, Old Sarum, but we couldn’t do it because there was muddy slush everywhere." Locals say it's almost always muddy slush everywhere and that's precisely why there are so many man-made dry paths and dry roads to handle the influx of tourists.

Russians lie like Russians do everywhere.

Funny tweet: "Of course, we went there to see Stonehenge but we realised the Skripals were not in Stonehenge so we didn't go to Stonehenge."



I'm sure this is giving comrade sig heartburn. Oh well as I keep saying, the Russians did it.

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Friday, September 14, 2018 3:03 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


I think you should watch the whole interview with the so-called "agents". It has got to be one of the strangest on video, and it's not what you think it is, or what others have told you. After you've watched it, I'd like your newly-informed perspective.

https://www.rt.com/news/438356-rt-petrov-boshirov-full-interview/

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Friday, September 14, 2018 7:51 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I think you should watch the whole interview with the so-called "agents". It has got to be one of the strangest on video, and it's not what you think it is, or what others have told you. After you've watched it, I'd like your newly-informed perspective.



It's exactly what I thought it was!
Awww, they look so fake sad! Their terrible actors btw. I can't believe they kept straight faces!

Those 2 went to Salisbury for the cathedral when London has a little one called S. John's?

Their first answer as to why they went is lifted right from Wikipedia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salisbury

"The city's cathedral is famous for its 123m spire, and its clock, the oldest of its kind in the world that is still working."

"Hurry comrade, pull up the pedia wiki and look up Salisbury!" - hilarious. It's so Russian to lie so badly and think it's working - *cough*.

And then oh no! They got wet from the snow! Poor little Russian BFFs couldn't handle the slush... it was so bad they went to the train station and took the first train back to London... but wait! Right before that the complained that transportation was impossible because of the snow...

Gawddamn Siggy, thanks for the laughs!.

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Friday, September 14, 2018 8:10 AM

REAVERFAN


Pussy Riot activist in hospital after being poisoned, say group
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/sep/13/pussy-riot-activist-in-h
ospital-after-being-poisoned-says-group-pyotr-verzilov


He probably poisoned himself to make Putin look bad, just like the Democrats said 3000 people died in Puerto Rico, just to make Blumpy look bad.

FAKE NEWS! Russia is our bestest buddy, and Pooty's just a regular Joe! Puerto Rico relief efforts were bigly great!

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Friday, September 14, 2018 10:39 AM

SIGNYM

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Quote:

Awww, they look so fake sad! Their terrible actors btw. I can't believe they kept straight faces!- CC
I don't think you saw the whole thing; you would have picked up on a whole bunch of other things if you had.

So I'm going to give it a day or two, to give you (and others) a day to become INFORMED commentators, and then ask if you saw what I saw because it was gorram strange. So strange, I don't know WHAT to think of it, but I have two (or three) hypotheses.


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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

Awww, they look so fake sad! Their terrible actors btw. I can't believe they kept straight faces!- CC
I don't think you saw the whole thing; you would have picked up on a whole bunch of other things if you had.

So I'm going to give it a day or two, to give you (and others) a day to become INFORMED commentators, and then ask if you saw what I saw because it was gorram strange. So strange, I don't know WHAT to think of it, but I have two (or three) hypotheses.



Is that like the other "I'll get to this later" from before?

http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=62659&mid=1
060357#1060357


Sure you will... people who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it

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Saturday, September 15, 2018 12:59 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Thanks for the link. I couldn't remember what thread it was in and stopped hunting around for it.

I do intend to get back to both, but I really wanted you to look at the whole thing, which I doubt that you did, so I'm going to let this marinade for another day.

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Saturday, September 15, 2018 7:37 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Thanks for the link. I couldn't remember what thread it was in and stopped hunting around for it.

I do intend to get back to both, but I really wanted you to look at the whole thing, which I doubt that you did, so I'm going to let this marinade for another day.



I'll just wait for your 2 or 3 hypotheses. If they happen.

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Saturday, September 15, 2018 2:27 PM

SIGNYM

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Quote:

I'll just wait for your 2 or 3 hypotheses. If they happen.- GSTRING


Ok, well it's obvious that you (collectively) aren't about to inform yourselves; I guess you're just waiting for me to inform you.


There was something incredibly hinky about these two people. They had some very rehearsed ... and yet very clumsy ... answers to questions about, well, everything.

*****

What did they do for a living?
They ran a nutritional supplements business but didn't want to provide any more answers because they didn't want to expose their partners.

What about that business?
It was supplements for "gainers" and muscle building and fat loss ... They went abroad to see what was being offered in the west and then tried to figure out how to uh... import them.

Why did they travel to Switzerland frequently?
For business. But for pleasure. But mostly for business.
[And then they provided an elaborate and unasked-for explanation as to why they shared a hotel room]

Why are they always seen together?
[No real answer]

Why did the CCTV show them entering the security gate at the exact same time?
They didn't know.

Do they ever use different gates?
No.

What do they want to happen now?
Well, they want to be left alone. (look carefully at each other) For now.

Their answers to why they were in Salisbury and their belabored explanation as to HOW THE CANCELED PUBLIC TRANSPORT (You DID know that bus and train service was temporarily halted due to weather, right??? It wasn't just "a little slush" that they were dealing with.) interfered with their plans ... wasn't the only hinky thing about their answers!

******

So.

It seems to me that these guys have something - or more than one thing - to hide:

1) They might be gay. While legal in Russia, it's still not widely acceptable.

2) They might be running a marginally-legal business for a marginally-acceptable clientele. Maybe they buy samples from abroad, and reformulate at home (intellectual property). Maybe they don't pay the right taxes. Maybe their products are geared towards gay males, maybe even some sort of herbal concoctions geared towards ameliorating the symptoms of AIDS or enhance sexual performance.

3) Who knows why they were in Salisbury? Whatever the reason, it probably wasn't the one that they gave.

GIVEN ALL THAT ... it's very possible that MI6 tagged two Russian civilians who were engaged in petty crime, and tagged them with the poisoning on the assumption that they would never come forward because their OTHER crimes would be exposed.

4) I would think that if they were security agents, they would be MUCH better liars and have a MUCH better story! But if you REALLY wanted to create a deep conspiracy, maybe they're Russian agents and are just really good at covering up their REAL agenda with a whole 'nother layer of fakery.

Those are my ideas. But I still think that you should watch the whole interview. maybe you'll see something that I didn't, and come up with better ideas.


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Saturday, September 15, 2018 3:46 PM

THG


I have an idea let me know what you think. The Russians did it.

T


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Sunday, September 16, 2018 11:17 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Ok, well it's obvious that you (collectively) aren't about to inform yourselves; I guess you're just waiting for me to inform you.




You are without question the best source for finding out what the pro-Trump, pro-GOP, pro-Putin cabal are collectively thinking.

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Sunday, September 16, 2018 11:21 AM

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I'll just wait for your 2 or 3 hypotheses. If they happen.- GSTRING


Ok, well it's obvious that you (collectively) aren't about to inform yourselves; I guess you're just waiting for me to inform you.


There was something incredibly hinky about these two people. They had some very rehearsed ... and yet very clumsy ... answers to questions about, well, everything.

*****

What did they do for a living?
They ran a nutritional supplements business but didn't want to provide any more answers because they didn't want to expose their partners.

What about that business?
It was supplements for "gainers" and muscle building and fat loss ... They went abroad to see what was being offered in the west and then tried to figure out how to uh... import them.

Why did they travel to Switzerland frequently?
For business. But for pleasure. But mostly for business.
[And then they provided an elaborate and unasked-for explanation as to why they shared a hotel room]

Why are they always seen together?
[No real answer]

Why did the CCTV show them entering the security gate at the exact same time?
They didn't know.

Do they ever use different gates?
No.

What do they want to happen now?
Well, they want to be left alone. (look carefully at each other) For now.

Their answers to why they were in Salisbury and their belabored explanation as to HOW THE CANCELED PUBLIC TRANSPORT (You DID know that bus and train service was temporarily halted due to weather, right??? It wasn't just "a little slush" that they were dealing with.) interfered with their plans ... wasn't the only hinky thing about their answers!

******

So.

It seems to me that these guys have something - or more than one thing - to hide:

1) They might be gay. While legal in Russia, it's still not widely acceptable.

2) They might be running a marginally-legal business for a marginally-acceptable clientele. Maybe they buy samples from abroad, and reformulate at home (intellectual property). Maybe they don't pay the right taxes. Maybe their products are geared towards gay males, maybe even some sort of herbal concoctions geared towards ameliorating the symptoms of AIDS or enhance sexual performance.

3) Who knows why they were in Salisbury? Whatever the reason, it probably wasn't the one that they gave.

GIVEN ALL THAT ... it's very possible that MI6 tagged two Russian civilians who were engaged in petty crime, and tagged them with the poisoning on the assumption that they would never come forward because their OTHER crimes would be exposed.

4) I would think that if they were security agents, they would be MUCH better liars and have a MUCH better story! But if you REALLY wanted to create a deep conspiracy, maybe they're Russian agents and are just really good at covering up their REAL agenda with a whole 'nother layer of fakery.

Those are my ideas. But I still think that you should watch the whole interview. maybe you'll see something that I didn't, and come up with better ideas.




Full of holes, but whatever.
I'm going to go with: they wanted to send a signal to America and the world that snitches end up in ditches.

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Sunday, September 16, 2018 12:40 PM

SIGNYM

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Quote:

Full of holes, but whatever.
I'm going to go with: they wanted to send a signal to America and the world that snitches end up in ditches.



Was this interview some kind of "punishment" by "them" for "snitching"? But, this WAS the "snitchng", right? So how could the two Russians be punished "by" the very same event that they they were being punished "for"? You make no sense whatsoever, have cause and effect completely scrambled, please elucidate.



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Sunday, September 16, 2018 6:24 PM

THG


Sig, your opinion means squat. The russians did it.

T


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Sunday, September 16, 2018 7:06 PM

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THUGGER your opinion means less than squat. So I'm not going to credit your post as being anything other than mindless biased blather.




THUGGER admits it's not about RUSSIA !!! and is, in fact, a witch hunt. "Trump better be innocent of any wrong doing, anywhere, anytime."

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Sunday, September 16, 2018 7:20 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

Full of holes, but whatever.
I'm going to go with: they wanted to send a signal to America and the world that snitches end up in ditches.



Was this interview some kind of "punishment" by "them" for "snitching"? But, this WAS the "snitchng", right? So how could the two Russians be punished "by" the very same event that they they were being punished "for"? You make no sense whatsoever, have cause and effect completely scrambled, please elucidate.



These are the kind of responses that make me think you are paid by the post.

Russia wanted to show the rest of the world that if you go against Russia (hey Manafort) you could end up dead.

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Sunday, September 16, 2018 8:08 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



THUGGER your opinion means less than squat. So I'm not going to credit your post as being anything other than mindless biased blather.




THUGGER admits it's not about RUSSIA !!! and is, in fact, a witch hunt. "Trump better be innocent of any wrong doing, anywhere, anytime."

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Wednesday, September 19, 2018 10:54 AM

SIGNYM

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Russia wanted to show the rest of the world that if you go against Russia (hey Manafort) you could end up dead.
Oh, so you have no opinion on the completely non-credible interview of the two supposed poisoners, and simply re-assert what you've been saying all along, not only without evidence but by deliberately ignoring evidence? I mean, I find it interesting that you say that you COULD BE dead ... yep, you COULD BE dead... but neither Yulia nor her father actually are. In other words: You're spewing your standard bullshit.

In the meantime: Has poor Yulia been allowed to go home yet? And, where is her dad?

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Wednesday, September 26, 2018 3:16 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Oh, so you have no opinion on the completely non-credible interview of the two supposed poisoners, and simply re-assert what you've been saying all along, not only without evidence but by deliberately ignoring evidence? I mean, I find it interesting that you say that you COULD BE dead ... yep, you COULD BE dead... but neither Yulia nor her father actually are. In other words:



In other words they screwed the pooch (look it up).

Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
You're spewing your standard bullshit.



More like spewing my standard correctness. Ouch!

https://news.sky.com/story/revealed-salisbury-suspect-is-colonel-in-ru
ssian-military-intelligence-11509532

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Thursday, September 27, 2018 3:30 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Your source is Bellingcat, which you seem to 'believe' - without evidence I might add - when it suits your narrative.

Bellingcat also said this;
Bellingcat: Ukrainian far-right fighters, white supremacists trained by major European security firm

Do you 'believe' this as well?




THUGGER admits it's not about RUSSIA !!! and is, in fact, a witch hunt. "Trump better be innocent of any wrong doing, anywhere, anytime."

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Thursday, September 27, 2018 6:11 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Where are the Skripals?

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Sunday, September 30, 2018 7:37 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Where are the Skripals?



You expect them to announce their schedule after this?

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Sunday, September 30, 2018 8:22 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



Your source is Bellingcat, which you seem to 'believe' - without evidence I might add - when it suits your narrative.

Bellingcat also said this;
Bellingcat: Ukrainian far-right fighters, white supremacists trained by major European security firm

Do you 'believe' this as well?




THUGGER admits it's not about RUSSIA !!! and is, in fact, a witch hunt. "Trump better be innocent of any wrong doing, anywhere, anytime."

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Sunday, September 30, 2018 8:47 AM

THG


This is simple guys, the Russians did it.

T


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Sunday, September 30, 2018 8:52 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


GEEBERS

Your source is Bellingcat, which you seem to 'believe' - without evidence I might add - when it suits your narrative.

Bellingcat also said this;
Bellingcat: Ukrainian far-right fighters, white supremacists trained by major European security firm

Do you 'believe' this as well?


THUGGER

It sure does seem like none of you trust the other to answer your own questions. Yanno, instead of trying - and failing i might add - to answer GEEBERS' question, how your answer your own? The one where you explain what exactly you think is going to happen in that 'tick tock' future?




THUGGER admits it's not about RUSSIA !!! and is, in fact, a witch hunt. "Trump better be innocent of any wrong doing, anywhere, anytime."


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Monday, October 1, 2018 12:26 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Where are the Skripals?- SIGNY

You expect them to announce their schedule after this?- GSTRING

Yulia wanted to go back home, to Russia. Has she been allowed to go? Or will the Brits keep her captive until she's entirely brainwashed, and then trot her out for the obligatory "bash Russia" press statement whenever necessary?

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Monday, October 1, 2018 12:39 PM

THG


The russians did it. They've been caught.

T


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Monday, October 1, 2018 12:41 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.







tic tac

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Wednesday, October 3, 2018 10:43 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

Where are the Skripals?- SIGNY

You expect them to announce their schedule after this?- GSTRING

Yulia wanted to go back home, to Russia. Has she been allowed to go? Or will the Brits keep her captive until she's entirely brainwashed, and then trot her out for the obligatory "bash Russia" press statement whenever necessary?




^ Let's observe Siggy using the tested, tried and sadly true gimmick of seeding people's minds with "Faks" in the form of questions. "I don't know if it's true... but I heard Putin loves little boys... just something I heard on the 'net."
- Anonymous

And you still didn't answer the question:
You expect them to announce their schedule after this?

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Wednesday, October 3, 2018 10:54 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Yulia wanted to go back home, to Russia. That was a known, broadcast fact.

Video statement at 1:09:- In the longer term I hope to return to my country

http://videos.dailymail.co.uk/video/mol/2018/05/23/9082450518425747917
/1024x576_MP4_9082450518425747917.mp4


I noticed that she has a trache scar on her neck.



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