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Accusing Someone You Disagree With Of Being A Russian Troll Is Admitting You Have No Argument

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Monday, December 4, 2017 8:17 AM

SIGNYM

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I shouldn’t have to write this article. And yet, here we are...

I don’t care who you are or how much Palmer Report you read: accusing someone who disagrees with you of conducting psyops for a foreign government is never, ever a normal or acceptable way of conducting political discourse.

I tweeted the above yesterday after noticing another uptick in the bizarre habit establishment loyalists

You know who you are...
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have of labeling anyone who disagrees with them as Russian trolls. And, though I didn’t address it to her and made no mention of her, Louise Mensch took it personally.

This led to a deluge of fascinating interactions with Mensch’s followers, in which I was sincerely informed that Twitter has admitted to half of its users being Russian agents, though it is likely more. I was also called a Russian agent many, many times, because saying it’s not okay to accuse a stranger you disagree with of being a Russian agent is just the sort of thing a Russian agent would say.

Well, let me start off this weird, stupid article that I shouldn’t have to write by saying that I myself am not a Russian agent. I’ve never been to Russia, I have no ties to the Russian government, I rarely use sources in my articles that have ties to Russia, and to the best of my knowledge none of my patrons are Russian. I say this not because I feel a need to defend these foam-brained accusations but to point out that it is, in fact, very possible to disagree with the establishment Russia narrative without being incentivized to in rubles.

Political discourse between establishment loyalists and everyone else has been trampled to death by the gratuitous use of this obnoxious debate-avoiding tactic.

As well as shitting a gif into a thread before bailing. That's another tactic used frequently in these parts
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Everyone who publicly questions the MSNBC Russia narrative will be met with these accusations. Everyone who speaks about it with much of an online following will receive these accusations on a daily basis.

This is not normal.

And neither are the people who make these accusations
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Anti-Trumpists have been trained over the last year by people like Rachel Maddow, Louise Mensch, and the Palmer Report to believe that accusing everyone who disagrees with you of being a Russian agent is a normal thing that sane people do, but they are wrong. It is a bizarre, obnoxious tactic, and when you use it, you are admitting that you have no argument.

The accusation would not be baseless. You should remind yourself what the USIC's official report said on the matter of Russian interference. — Louise Mensch (@LouiseMensch) November 27, 2017

Yes it would indeed be a baseless accusation, @LouiseMensch. You do not know who is and is not a Kremlin agent, and the odds that you are interacting with one are rare. If you have to resort to baseless accusations of Russian espionage, you are admitting you have no argument. — Caitlin Johnstone (@caitoz) November 27, 2017


In the unlikely event that any Louise Mensch types are still reading at this point, let me explain how normal online discourse operates:

Party A presents a position on an issue.

Party B presents a rebuttal to the position, often supplemented with links substantiating their claim.

Party A returns with their own counter-argument and their own substantiations.

Repeat this back-and-forth for as long as both parties remain interested.

The civility with which this discourse takes place varies wildly, and it can leave both parties feeling like they wasted an hour or two of their lives talking to a brick wall. But it can also be very informative to people watching, it can often lead to one party realizing that their argument isn’t nearly as strong as their partisan echo chamber had led them to believe it was, and it can cause both parties to do more research and rigorous thinking as they strive to come up with a compelling case.

Or failing that, they can shit a gif
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It can even lead to someone realizing that they don’t know nearly as much about a given issue as they thought they did and privately questioning their previous assumptions.

Conversations like this are socially enriching and lead to a more intelligent and better-informed humanity.

Compare that to:

Party A presents a position on an issue.

Party B accuses party A of conducting psyops for a foreign government.

Discussion ends.

These accusations always kill dialogue. And they are meant to. It is a safe way of slamming the door on ideas which make the person who uses this tactic uncomfortable.

There is no legitimate reason to ever accuse a stranger you disagree with of being a Russian agent. Firstly, you cannot possibly know that the stranger you’re dialoguing with works for the Kremlin. Secondly, even in the highly unlikely event that the person you are speaking to really is a secret Russian agent, you should still be able to out-debate them.

Kremlin trolls don’t have magical powers. They can’t hypnotize you. If you’re interacting with one they’ll be advancing arguments and ideas just like anyone else, and if your arguments and ideas are defensible you should be able to defend them clearly and articulately.

A related accusation is conceding that while it is possible that the individual you are speaking to may not be a paid Kremlin operative, they are at the very least a “useful idiot” who has been brainwashed by Russian propaganda and is unknowingly advancing pernicious ideas. This is also an admission that you have no argument. You’re shutting down dialogue instead of debating your position articulately. You’re also making a fallacious case which assumes from the beginning that nobody could possibly disagree with your omniscient, infallible worldview unless they were deceived by a malevolent party. [But] If your position is defensible, defend it like a normal human being.

I’ve had some success with simply drawing attention to the fact that the person levelling these accusations is using a tactic that is not a normal or acceptable part of political discourse. Individuals with a bit of personal insight

Which excludes MANY people in this form
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can get pretty embarrassed when you calmly point out that they’re doing something they know deep down is really weird and unhealthy, so they’ll back away from it once you bring a little self-awareness to their McCarthyite chicken dance. I recommend my readers try it if you ever run into this tactic yourselves.

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Bottom line: when a stranger on the internet accuses you of being a Kremlin agent, of being a “useful idiot”, of “regurgitating Kremlin talking points”, this is simply their way of informing you that they have no argument for the actual thing that you are saying. If you’re using hard facts to point out the gaping plot holes in the Russiagate narrative, for example, and all they can do is call your argument Russian propaganda, this means that they have no counter-argument for the hard facts that you are presenting. They are deliberately shutting down the possibility of any dialogue with you because the cognitive dissonance you are causing them is making them uncomfortable.

Yes, paid shills for governments all over the world do indeed exist. But the odds are much greater that the stranger you are interacting with online is simply a normal person who isn’t convinced by the arguments that have been presented by the position you espouse. If your position is defensible you should be able to argue for it normally, regardless of whom you are speaking to.

Yes, propaganda exists. But what is propaganda other than arguments and ideas? It isn’t witchcraft or wizardry. It isn’t going to melt your face like that scene in Raiders of the Lost Ark; you can engage it rationally without plugging your fingers in your ears and screaming “propaganda!”

Except several people here, who insist on doing exactly that
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In the event that the ideas you are debating against online are indeed the product of government deception, you should be able to debunk them using truth and rationality. If there are lies, point them out using truth and facts. If there are half-truths, bring in the other half of the equation. If there are bad arguments relying on bad thinking, refute them with good arguments and good thinking. The methods of refuting propaganda are the same as the methods of refuting anything else, so it’s stupid to act like plugging your fingers in your ears and screaming “propaganda” is a legitimate tactic.

If “propaganda” can’t be refuted using legitimate debate methods, then what you are calling propaganda looks an awful lot like truth.

I fight what I consider to be establishment propaganda for a living, but if all I ever did was type “that’s propaganda!” over and over again, nobody would ever read my articles. I have to make a compelling case for what actual disinformation is being presented and present clear arguments for why I think they are wrong. The same is true for everyone, even if they believe their position is supported by 17 intelligence agencies and the infinite wisdom of the Palmer Report.



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Monday, December 4, 2017 8:19 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Same with calling somebody a Nazi.

I find it hilarious that today's sheeple liberals can't make up their mind on whether the people they're arguing against are Communists or Nazis.

Can't be both.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, December 4, 2017 9:20 AM

THGRRI


Palmer Report " The New Republic's Colin Dickey claims that Palmer "routinely blasts out stories that sound serious but are actually based on a single, unverified source," such as the time when he reported Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts had ordered Trump appointee Neil Gorsuch to recuse himself from all Trump-related Russia hearings, with his only sourcing coming from a "single tweet from an anonymous Twitter account under the name 'Puesto Loco.'"

Boy sig really does like to post from bullshit sources. With all the facts stacking up against Trump that she denies as nonexistent, she starts an entire thread based on this source.

Jack, the title of moron I gave you sure does fit. You jumped right in with both feet, without giving it a second thought. Why, because it fits into your demented logic. Something you can't yet see for yourself. Stay sober and your senses may return. That is, if you had any to begin with.



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Monday, December 4, 2017 9:41 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Would you like to re-try arguing a point instead of just calling me a moron?

You are completely unable to even interact with me anymore without calling me names because that is all you have left. I post something to you and you do one of two things now.... You either disappear from the thread entirely, or you insult me and bring up my past with alcohol.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, December 4, 2017 3:14 PM

KPO

Anti-Russia before it was cool.


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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I find it hilarious that today's sheeple liberals can't make up their mind on whether the people they're arguing against are Communists or Nazis.

Can't be both.


I retain the distinction but recognise that communists have a rich history of supporting Nazis, and that sometimes history repeats itself.

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Tuesday, December 5, 2017 10:52 AM

SIGNYM

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I retain the distinction but recognise that communists have a rich history of supporting Nazis, and that sometimes history repeats itself. = KRAPO
Links please?

Because you're beginning to sound like PirateNews with his Jewish-Nazi-Templar-Britishroyals-Communist-etc conspiracy theory.

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Tuesday, December 5, 2017 11:00 AM

SIGNYM

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Bored on a Monday I see.

So funny - it's like you go out of your way to post things that point right back at you.

Fwiw: I have never accused anyone here of "conducting psyops for a foreign government" or being a nazi.



GSTRING- Did you see your name anywhere? Just like the respondent And, though I didn’t address it to her and made no mention of her, Louise Mensch took it personally, you took it personally.

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Seriously, put your thinking cap on
Indeed.

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"Establishment Loyalist??" Oooo! That sounds terrible!
Not as bad as "Russian troll".

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Heh - hilarious... you're pointing back at yourself again
Indeed, you're pointing back at yourself again.


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"...Political discourse between (insert personal fav insult here) and everyone else has been trampled to death by the gratuitous use of this obnoxious debate-avoiding tactic." You mean like constantly talking about Hillary and Obama and shouting "collusion!" over and over?
No, By constantly name-calling and engaging in libel. And as far as "collusion" is concerned, I'm not the one "constantly" shouting it, but there are others (you know who you are) who did. And then, they try to bury it and hope to make others forget that for a month or two it was their overriding concern.

Like the article says ... if you think someone is posting propaganda and lies, then you should be able to defend with truth and facts. If you have to rely on ad hominum arguments and libel, as you just did, to make your "point", you must not have a point to make. Or if you DO have a point to make (aside from name-calling) it's hard to tell from your posts.



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Tuesday, December 5, 2017 12:40 PM

WISHIMAY

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People who get mad after someone points out that they ALWAYS defend Russia ARE most likely Russian tools, uh trolls

Do you get demerit points every time someone points that out?


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Tuesday, December 5, 2017 1:59 PM

WISHIMAY

There will be fire and brimstone and Earth will be destroyed!... in several billion years!----------------------------------------- "Well, so long Earth. Thanks for the air... and what-not." -Philip J. Fry


https://frontier.yahoo.com/sports/russia-banned-2018-winter-olympics-p
yeongchang-183735604.html


Russian bitches get OWNED. I didn't think they'd ever have the balls

Good news day. Now let's see how comrade Trump reacts.

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Thursday, December 7, 2017 9:32 AM

KPO

Anti-Russia before it was cool.


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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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I retain the distinction but recognise that communists have a rich history of supporting Nazis, and that sometimes history repeats itself. = KRAPO
Links please?



Sure.

The pact between Hitler and Stalin that paved the way for World War II:
https://www.pri.org/stories/2014-08-21/pact-between-hitler-and-stalin-
paved-way-world-war-ii-was-signed-75-years-ago


Lessons of defeat: German communists and the rise of Hitler (note, this is from a socialist website):
http://socialistreview.org.uk/378/lessons-of-defeat
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"Trotsky and his German supporters pleaded in vain with the Communists to concentrate their efforts on the key issues of the moment, above all the threat of Nazism: "Denying this threat, belittling it, failing to take it seriously is the greatest crime that can be committed today." Instead of the ridiculous accusation that the foremost enemy was "social fascism", he called on the Communists to say the following to the Socialists: "The policies of our parties are irreconcilably opposed, but if the fascists come tonight to your organisation's hall, we will come running, arms in hand, to help you. Will you promise us that if our organisation is threatened you will rush to our aid?"

Alas, this united front was rejected by the Communists. The Trotskyists could do nothing. They were too small an organisation to have any impact on either of the main workers' parties.

There has been some debate about why Germany's Communists became so obsessed with castigating other parts of the left. The key responsibility for this certainly lay with Stalin who, having established a state capitalist dictatorship in Russia, was using the foreign communist movement as a tool of his foreign policy."



Beware the Hillary Clinton-Loathing, Donald Trump-Loving Useful Idiots of the Left
https://www.thedailybeast.com/beware-the-hillary-clinton-loathing-dona
ld-trump-loving-useful-idiots-of-the-left


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Thursday, December 7, 2017 12:58 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Stalin had a rich history of not fighting the Nazis until he had to.

"Not fighting" is not the same as "supporting", and when push came to shove the Russians fought Nazis in a war in which 20 million Russians were killed, and won the European war against the Nazis.

You're just weird, KPO.

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Thursday, December 7, 2017 1:44 PM

THGRRI


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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Stalin had a rich history of not fighting the Nazis until he had to.

"Not fighting" is not the same as "supporting", and when push came to shove the Russians fought Nazis in a war in which 20 million Russians were killed, and won the European war against the Nazis.

You're just weird, KPO.




According to sig, the Russians won the European war. And she claims she's not a Russian troll.


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Thursday, December 7, 2017 1:55 PM

SIGNYM

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According to sig, the Russians won the European war. And she claims she's not a Russian troll.
According to HISTORIANS, the Russians won the war in Europe against the Nazis.

YOU, SON, ARE BLAZINGLY IGNORANT. Everyone who knows anything knows that the Russians won that war for us. I guess THEY must all be "Russian trolls" too??? (We OTOH did more fighting in the Pacific.)

EVEN IN A TV SERIES COMEDY ABOUT WWII, called "Hogan's Heroes", they made backhanded references to the Russian war effort, because being sent to the "eastern front" (i.e Russia) was considered the ultimate punishment/ death sentence.

My god



you're such a boob. How did you grow up to be so uninformed? And how did you manage to STAY so uninformed through your adult life???

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Thursday, December 7, 2017 2:01 PM

THGRRI


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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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According to sig, the Russians won the European war. And she claims she's not a Russian troll.
According to HISTORIANS, the Russians won the war in Europe against the Nazis.

YOU, SON, ARE BLAZINGLY IGNORANT. Everyone who knows anything knows that the Russians won that war for us. I guess THEY must all be "Russian trolls" too??? (We OTOH did more fighting in the Pacific.)

EVEN IN A TV SERIES COMEDY ABOUT WWII, called "Hogan's Heroes", they made backhanded references to the Russian war effort, because being sent to the "eastern front" (i.e Russia) was considered the ultimate punishment/ death sentence.

My god



you're such a boob. How did you grow up to be so uninformed? And how did you manage to STAY so uninformed through your adult life???



I guess I'll have to read Russia's perspective to understand what the fuck it is you are talking about. If it wasn't for the weather and Allied troops you'd all be speaking German now. No, what you did was use it as an opportunity to steal your neighbors sovereignty and land. Shit, sounds like what you are doing today doesn't it.




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Thursday, December 7, 2017 2:09 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Clearly THUGR, you have nothing to say because you're pulling the "Russian troll" card, again. Also, you've gone back to shitting gifs.


Here's something about WWII that's about your speed. It's got pictures of cartoons and everything.:

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The 5 Most Widely Believed WWII Facts (That Are Bullshit)

America Won the War Single-Handedly

Claimed By:
Hollywood, WWII-shooters, Cold War politics and chauvinists.
Sixty years of World War II movies, and a decade of WWII video games, have made one thing clear: If it wasn't for America, you'd all be speaking German right now, baby! U-S-A! U-S-A!

Why it's Bullshit:
Because it's like thinking that while many X-Men contributed in their own special way, defeating Magneto really came down to Iceman.

There are two radically different histories of WW II, the one that was actually fought, and the one where the US kicked everyone's assess. Guess which one Cold War-era classrooms were allowed to teach? Here's a hint: It's the same one Hollywood chose to film.

... there is one Zangief-sized elephant in the room that America loved to leave out of conversation until the end of the Cold War: the Soviet Union. The "Great Patriotic War" as they called it was the single largest military operation in history, and home to perhaps the biggest turning-point of the war: the Battle of Stalingrad.

Understand, the Russia versus Germany part of the war wasn't just a little more important than the part the USA was involved in. It was "four times the scale" of the whole Western front, larger than all other phases of the war put together. The Soviet military suffered eight million soldiers dead, more than 20 freaking times the number of U.S. casualties.


http://www.cracked.com/article_18389_the-5-most-widely-believed-wwii-f
acts-that-are-bullshit.html



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Thursday, December 7, 2017 2:30 PM

THGRRI


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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Clearly THUGR, you have nothing to say because you're pulling the "Russian troll" card, again. Also, you've gone back to shitting gifs.


Here's something about WWII that's about your speed. It's got pictures of cartoons and everything.:

Quote:

The 5 Most Widely Believed WWII Facts (That Are Bullshit)

America Won the War Single-Handedly

Claimed By:
Hollywood, WWII-shooters, Cold War politics and chauvinists.
Sixty years of World War II movies, and a decade of WWII video games, have made one thing clear: If it wasn't for America, you'd all be speaking German right now, baby! U-S-A! U-S-A!

Why it's Bullshit:
Because it's like thinking that while many X-Men contributed in their own special way, defeating Magneto really came down to Iceman.

There are two radically different histories of WW II, the one that was actually fought, and the one where the US kicked everyone's assess. Guess which one Cold War-era classrooms were allowed to teach? Here's a hint: It's the same one Hollywood chose to film.

... there is one Zangief-sized elephant in the room that America loved to leave out of conversation until the end of the Cold War: the Soviet Union. The "Great Patriotic War" as they called it was the single largest military operation in history, and home to perhaps the biggest turning-point of the war: the Battle of Stalingrad.

Understand, the Russia versus Germany part of the war wasn't just a little more important than the part the USA was involved in. It was "four times the scale" of the whole Western front, larger than all other phases of the war put together. The Soviet military suffered eight million soldiers dead, more than 20 freaking times the number of U.S. casualties.


http://www.cracked.com/article_18389_the-5-most-widely-believed-wwii-f
acts-that-are-bullshit.html





First, your facts can't be trusted. Second, let me explain what WW11 did that reflects negatively on what Trump ( with your blessing ) is doing today.

WW11 took American out of it's isolationism phase. Through our dealings with our allies we learned that America first didn't work. That what happens in the world will engulf us whether we want it to or not. That we could work with other nations to create a better world and did.

That sig, made America number one. Not our isolationism tendencies of the past. You troll and Trump, are fighting to bring us down by repeating today those ignorant aspects of our past. You will fail.


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Thursday, December 7, 2017 2:36 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Go check up on any MAINSTREAM WWII historian that you care to find, they'll tell you the same thing.

As far as WWII is concerned, we achieved our manufacturing status on by climbing over the backs of destroyed manufacturing elsewhere.

You're an embarrassment to your "friends" here on the board. Not one of them will support you in this stupidity because, unlike you, they know that you're an ignoramus.

Ignorance can be cured by information, THUGR. But you are WILLFULLY and DELIBERATELY ignorant, and that can't be cured until you decide to learn.


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Thursday, December 7, 2017 2:44 PM

THGRRI


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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Go check up on any MAINSTREAM WWII historian that you care to find, they'll tell you the same thing.

As far as WWII is concerned, we achieved our manufacturing status on by climbing over the backs of destroyed manufacturing elsewhere.

You're an embarrassment to your "friends" here on the board. Not one of them will support you in this stupidity because, unlike you, they know that you're an ignoramus.




Why are you so upset with me for arguing with you about Russia? Why is it so important to you we all believe Russia won the war and saved us all?

Could it be because you are Russia? We know the answer but sill you should cop to it.


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Thursday, December 7, 2017 2:47 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


I guess all of your "friends" here on this board must be "Russian trolls" too, then.


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The more you pull this "Russian troll" shit, the more you prove the point of the thread.

Do you REALLY think that the Soviet Union didn't win the war in Europe? Then go look it up. Since propaganda and lies can be countered with truth and facts, bring truth and facts to the board and make your case.

Just go look it up. Stop refusing to learn. You'll be much happier.

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Thursday, December 7, 2017 3:04 PM

THGRRI


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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I guess all of your "friends" here on this board must be "Russian trolls" too, then.


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The more you pull this "Russian troll" shit, the more you prove the point of the thread.

Do you REALLY think that the Soviet Union didn't win the war in Europe? Then go look it up. Since propaganda and lies can be countered with truth and facts, bring truth and facts to the board and make your case.

Just go look it up. Stop refusing to learn. You'll be much happier.







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Friday, December 8, 2017 12:45 AM

WISHIMAY

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BTW, I think Trump getting drunk and giving his speech today was an indicator that Comrade Putin was not happy about the Olympics.

And yeah, he was drunk. Bigly.


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Friday, December 8, 2017 8:19 AM

KPO

Anti-Russia before it was cool.


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Stalin had a rich history of not fighting the Nazis until he had to.

Which would have been forever if Hitler hadn't broken the pact and invaded. Stalin was quite happy with the deal he struck with Hitler - carving up Eastern Europe, exchanging large amounts of arms and raw materials with the Nazis, and then sitting back and watching the Nazi war machine squash Western Europe.

When Hitler stabbed Stalin in the back and invaded, Stalin refused to believe it was happening and needlessly sacrificed large portions of the Red Army through inaction.

In the end, the Soviet Union turned the tide and steam-rollered Nazi Germany, but with massive material assistance from the US and Britain (Lend Lease).

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Friday, December 8, 2017 9:56 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Stalin had a rich history of not fighting the Nazis until he had to. - SIGNY

Which would have been forever if Hitler hadn't broken the pact and invaded. - KPO



KPO: Just as WE wouldn't have entered WWII until we were attacked at Pearl Harbor. What are you, nuts?


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WISHY ... Did you not hear the intro? That was all Trump at half speed. If I were to slow YOU down to half speed, you'd sound drunk too!


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THUGR: I see that you're retreating with every post. In your last post you had, literally, nothing to say ... once again proving the title of the thread. So - thanks!

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Friday, December 8, 2017 11:13 AM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

Stalin had a rich history of not fighting the Nazis until he had to. - SIGNY

Which would have been forever if Hitler hadn't broken the pact and invaded. - KPO



Just as WE wouldn't have entered the war against Japan until we were attacked at Pearl Harbor. What are you, nuts, KPO?

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WISHY ... Did you not hear the intro? That was all Trump at half speed. If I were to slow YOU down to half speed, you'd sound drunk too!


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THUGR: I see that you're retreating with every post. In your last post you had, literally, nothing to say ... once again proving the title of the thread. So - thanks!




Russia entered into an agreement that allowed Hitler to attack his neighbors with impunity. They paid for that because they were next. They paid 20 million worth, perhaps more.

Then they did what Hitler did. Steal land and sovereignty from their neighbors. They called it the Soviet Union. A Union that required barbed wire and walls to keep people from running for the hills. Remember that comrade sig?


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Friday, December 8, 2017 11:36 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


So THUGR, you agree that Russia beat the Nazis in Europe?

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Friday, December 8, 2017 2:48 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


I have an obsession with reality, not with Russia. Watching you guys tie yourselves into knots of Gordian proportions trying to deny reality, or trying to maintain a weird narrative, is interesting.

But it's YOU who keeps bringing up Russia, not me. Seriously, just look at the thread titles and who posts them. I'm not sure that I EVER posted about Russia.

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Friday, December 8, 2017 6:54 PM

WISHIMAY

There will be fire and brimstone and Earth will be destroyed!... in several billion years!----------------------------------------- "Well, so long Earth. Thanks for the air... and what-not." -Philip J. Fry


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Originally posted by SIGNYM:


WISHY ... Did you not hear the intro? That was all Trump at half speed. If I were to slow YOU down to half speed, you'd sound drunk too!




No it would NOT. I do not slur or ramble or make up nonsense words. Which was the real point of the video, to highlight his damaged speech patterns.
The man is a substance abuser. I've worked enough jobs around alcohol to know for SURE.

Rosy Dory??????

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Saturday, December 9, 2017 8:31 AM

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G, Wishy, T and Second no longer even attempt to deal in facts. They merely insult nearly everyone else on the board at any given opportunity.

It seems that they've devolved into the neo-basket-of-deplorables.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Saturday, December 9, 2017 8:51 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So THUGR, you agree that Russia beat the Nazis in Europe?

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Nope, what I said was Russia entered into an agreement that allowed Hitler to attack his neighbors with impunity. They paid for that because they were next. They paid with 20 million, perhaps more Russian lives. The allies actions in Europe saved Russia's ass.

Then the Russians did what Hitler did. Steal land and sovereignty from their neighbors. They called their ill gotten gains the Soviet Union. A Union that required barbed wire and walls to keep people from running for the hills. Remember that comrade sig?

Today they've adopted Hitler's strategy and are using it in Georgia and the Ukraine. Isn't that so comrade sig?





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Saturday, December 9, 2017 9:03 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So THUGR, you agree that Russia beat the Nazis in Europe?

Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
G, Wishy, T and Second no longer even attempt to deal in facts. They merely insult nearly everyone else on the board at any given opportunity.

It seems that they've devolved into the neo-basket-of-deplorables.

Soviet deaths in WWII were between 20,000,000 to 27,000,000.

German deaths were 6,900,000 to 7,400,000. The Allies, excluding the Soviets, killed half those. Stalin’s strategy was to bury each dead German under the bodies of seven dead Soviet Citizens. That would only work because it was 188,793,000 Soviets against 69,300,000 Germans who knew when to surrender. The years of peace and prosperity for Germany since WWII show that the Germans won and Russia lost, compared to Germany. The Germans should thank Russians for removing a democratically elected German government from Berlin in 1945. Maybe the Russians can do the same favor for Americans in 2018, without all the bloodshed of WWII, by releasing their secret files on Trump?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties

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Saturday, December 9, 2017 11:12 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


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Originally posted by second:
German deaths were 6,900,000 to 7,400,000. The Allies, excluding the Soviets, killed half those. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties

As usual, you're bullshitting. First of all your link doesn't even contain that claim, let alone support it. Second of all, you're wrong.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_casualties_in_World_War_II

OKW Casualty Figures Sept 1, 1939 to Jan 31, 1945

Army Eastern Front 1,105,987Dead 1,018,365Missing&POW 2,124,352Total 3,498,059Wounded&Sick
Subtotal Army 1,622,561Dead 1,646,316Missing&POW 3,268,877Total 4,188,037Wounded&Sick

In other words, the Eastern (Russian) Front accounted for 11 out of 16 dead German soldiers, 10 out of 16 missing and POW German soldiers, and 35 out of 42 wounded and sick German soldiers.


Why have you taken up lying, SECOND?




HAS IT NOT OCCURRED TO YOU BY NOW THAT IF YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO LOGICAL FALLACIES AND TROLLING YOUR SO-CALLED ARGUMENTS ARE LIES?

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Saturday, December 9, 2017 12:22 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Quote:

Originally posted by second:
German deaths were 6,900,000 to 7,400,000. The Allies, excluding the Soviets, killed half those. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties

As usual, you're bullshitting. First of all your link doesn't even contain that claim, let alone support it. Second of all, you're wrong.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_casualties_in_World_War_II

OKW Casualty Figures Sept 1, 1939 to Jan 31, 1945

Army Eastern Front 1,105,987Dead 1,018,365Missing&POW 2,124,352Total 3,498,059Wounded&Sick
Subtotal Army 1,622,561Dead 1,646,316Missing&POW 3,268,877Total 4,188,037Wounded&Sick

In other words, the Eastern (Russian) Front accounted for 11 out of 16 dead German soldiers, 10 out of 16 missing and POW German soldiers, and 35 out of 42 wounded and sick German soldiers.


Why have you taken up lying, SECOND?

1kiki, you're getting as nutty as Trump with his "Fake News".

1kiki, look at the column titled: "Total Deaths". It is just to the right of the column titled: "Civilian deaths due to war related famine and disease" at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties

1kiki, Civilian deaths count, in my opinion, along with Army deaths. And for every German, either civilian or military, that Stalin killed, about seven Soviets died, also counting civilians along with Soviet army dead.

Stalin smothered the Germans to death underneath a monstrously large heap of dead Soviet Citizens. I am thankful he did. And Putin can follow Stalin's example by smothering Trump to death underneath a heap of secret papers from the files on Trump. I would be thankful if he did.

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Saturday, December 9, 2017 2:18 PM

SIGNYM

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But it's YOU who keeps bringing up Russia, not me. Seriously, just look at the thread titles and who posts them. I'm not sure that I EVER posted about Russia. - SIGNY

So... you're not including this thread that you started and posted in? You really have to try to be that stupid. - GSTRING



One thread?

Compared to ... how many you and KRAPO and THUGR started, all hysterical about Russia??

And this isn't about "Russia" per se. It isn't about
Russia invades Ukraine
Putin's disaster
Russia's war crimes in Syria
Russia/Trump on trial
Russia wants to upend western democracy
Democrats eyeing 2018 say it's time to start talking Russia
Russia suspended from 2016 Olympics?
RT.com Host Exposed as Neo-Nazi Editor
The Future: More Russian Hacking
Russia's Fake Americans
Fusion GPS official met with Russian operative before and after Trump Jr. sit-down
The State of Freedom in Russia
Russia-backed Facebook page
Russia propping up North Korea's nuclear program
Russian Election Hacking Efforts, Wider Than Previously Known, Draw Little Scrutiny

etc

You guys are seriously obsessed with Russia!

But THIS thread isn't about "Russia". Nope, it's about YOU.



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Saturday, December 9, 2017 2:34 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
nothing relevant

And what does that have to do with Russia beating Germany on behalf of the other allies? Oh, that's right - NOTHING. It's your usual, pointless, off topic,. irrelevant snark.




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Saturday, December 9, 2017 3:06 PM

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UH OH, I think our Russian trolls are upset.


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Saturday, December 9, 2017 3:07 PM

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UH OH


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Saturday, December 9, 2017 8:16 PM

SIGNYM

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Wow, "Russian troll" AND gif-shitting! THUGR, you're too predictable! You keep proving this thread over and over, don't you?

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Saturday, December 9, 2017 8:39 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


THUGGER is a paid troll. That's why he works so hard at it. That, and it's probably the only thing he's good for.




HAS IT NOT OCCURRED TO YOU BY NOW THAT IF YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO LOGICAL FALLACIES AND TROLLING YOUR SO-CALLED ARGUMENTS ARE LIES?

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Sunday, December 10, 2017 7:59 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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Looking at the first page I have only started 2 threads, and neither about Russia.
Looking at the second page, there are FIVE, conveniently all in a row, all about Russia, and all by you!

Russia suspended from 2016 Olympics? G 189 11/16/2017 6:41:39 PM
RT.com Host Exposed as Neo-Nazi Editor G 36 11/15/2017 10:52:05 PM
The Future: More Russian Hacking G 33 11/15/2017 5:14:15 PM
Russia Invades Ukraine G 1529 11/15/2017 5:10:52 PM
Russia's Fake Americans G 41 11/15/2017 5:07:58 PM

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While you have started tons of whiny threads many of which are about Russia or Russia's influence and buggery in the world.
GSTRING: LIAR

But yanno, if you want to be seen as something other than a BLATANT LIAR, why don't you list those titles right here?

Select to view spoiler:


I'll bet this is going to be like that "evidence" that everyone kept saying existed, but nobody could QUITE manage to post on the board.



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Sunday, December 10, 2017 8:09 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



Russia suspended from 2016 Olympics? G 189 11/16/2017 6:41:39 PM
RT.com Host Exposed as Neo-Nazi Editor G 36 11/15/2017 10:52:05 PM
The Future: More Russian Hacking G 33 11/15/2017 5:14:15 PM
Russia Invades Ukraine G 1529 11/15/2017 5:10:52 PM
Russia's Fake Americans G 41 11/15/2017 5:07:58 PM


Also including

Russia's Cyberwar on Ukraine is the Blueprint for what's to come
http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=61747

Russia propping up North Korea's nuclear program
http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61919&mid=10380
73#1038073


Pro-Russian Bots Take Up the Right-Wing Cause After Charlottesville
http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61877&mid=10376
25#1037625


Putin's Real Long Game
http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61835&p=1

Russian Election Hacking Efforts, Wider Than Previously Known, Draw Little Scrutiny
http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61895&mid=10375
43#1037543


Don't laugh: Trump's Justice Dept pick worked for Russian Bank
http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61890&mid=10374
66#1037466


And that's in less than half a year!

Of course, that doesn't include the hundreds and hundreds of propaganda posts you contributed to your threads and others', both in threads that started about Russia, and threads you turned into propaganda pieces about Russia.

And your trolling of course, some of which actually got banished to TROLL COUNTRY, because well, you're a proven troll. But that's another topic.






HAS IT NOT OCCURRED TO YOU BY NOW THAT IF YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO LOGICAL FALLACIES AND TROLLING YOUR SO-CALLED ARGUMENTS ARE LIES?

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Sunday, December 10, 2017 8:20 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


The clock is ticking, GSTRING, if you want to prove that you're not a liar now's the time to start listing all of those threads that I started about Russia.

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Sunday, December 10, 2017 10:39 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


The Russians are erecting new statues to Stalin. Those hero-worshiping Russians would be upset by the mention that seven Russians had to die for every German killed. And 1kiki is upset. Comrade 1kiki, did you reveal your true loyalty?

It should be upsetting to honor the leader, Stalin, whose incompetence killed 27,000,000 Soviets. In the USA it would be like erecting new statues to Confederate War Heroes.

www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2017/08/16/soviet-union-terror-josef
-stalin-popularity/556625001
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Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
Quote:

Originally posted by second:
nothing relevant

And what does that have to do with Russia beating Germany on behalf of the other allies? Oh, that's right - NOTHING. It's your usual, pointless, off topic,. irrelevant snark.




HAS IT NOT OCCURRED TO YOU BY NOW THAT IF YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO LOGICAL FALLACIES AND TROLLING YOUR SO-CALLED ARGUMENTS ARE LIES?


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Sunday, December 10, 2017 12:46 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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While you have started tons of whiny threads many of which are about Russia or Russia's influence and buggery in the world.- GSTRING

GSTRING: LIAR But yanno, if you want to be seen as something other than a BLATANT LIAR, why don't you list those titles right here? - SIGNY

Damnit! You got me! You have posted more whiny threads about Russia than I have:

1. Accusing Someone You Disagree With Of Being A Russian Troll Is Admitting You Have No Argument

This isn't about Russia, it's about YOU.

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2. Lynch. Comey. Dirty Debbie. Hillary. The FBI-DNC link, and the DOJ, again. It's one giant deep state clusterfvck
Not about Russia. It includes, among other things, Lynch's conversation with Bill about Hillary's State Dept emails (NOT RUSSIA) and Comey's early closing of the investigation about Hillary's emails (NOT RUSSIA), Dirty Debbie's employment of Iawan Imran (NOT RUSSIA), leaks to the press (NOT RUSSIA), the DNC's rigging the Primary (NOT RUSSIA), the FBI-DNC link (NOT RUSSIA), and Hillary and her State Dept emails (NOT RUSSIA).

Wow, you're so sensitive to the topic of "Russia" you see it where it doesn't even exist. Are you sure YOU'RE not a Russian troll???

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3. Fake news: CNN; NYT; VICE; WaPo; WSJ. ... now ABC .... It's like a trainwreck, but I can't stop watching
This is about the MSM printing wrong/ unverified stories about Trump, based on anonymous sources. Actually, I missed this in the thread, but SECOND posted a great fix for bad reporting
Quote:

the news could stop using Anonymous unless the editor knows the Anonymous’ real name. If Anonymous lied to gullible reporters, Anonymous’ real name is published by the editor, along with a retraction.
I don't know how I missed this, but kudos to SECOND!

Quote:

4. Flynn pleads guilty to lying to the FBI
Flynn pleads guilty about Lying to the FBI. Russia didn't "do" anything illegal with Flynn, and Flynn didn't "do" anything illegal with Russia. The topic is the lie, not Russia.

Quote:

5. Euromaidan Snipers Were Hired By Ukrainian Opposition (Italian media)
Snipers were hired by Ukrainian opposition, they say. This is about Ukraine's former government, and the Maidan sniper shootings. Nothing in there about Russia.

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6. Latest on US war in Syria. What's not to like?
This is about the USA's war in Syria. We (the USA) started it long before Russia ever got involved, how we're striking pro-Assad forces, violating Syrian airspace, and coming close to warring directly with Russia in some faraway place that doesn't mean anything to us.

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7. Trump, Putin meet at sidelines of SE Asia meeting; Tump blasts his own intel
YES! Something about Trump and Putin! You finally got one.

Quote:

8. What the hell?? Qatar dustup. Now, Saudi Game of Thrones "red wedding", and that little shit Jared Kushner
This is about Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Iran, and natural gas.

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9. Hillary: "Trump Dossier", "gross negligence", taking over the DNC and a whole thread just for her
This is about Hillary and her corruption.

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10. Paul Manafort indicted, on nothing related to Trump - or Russia
Paul Manafort was indicted on NOTHING TO DO WITH TRUMP. Or Russia, for that matter. Jeez, even when a post explicitly says that this is "not about Russia", you make it about Russia?

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11. Syria and Ukraine, Catalan and Kurdistan: what do they have in common?
This is about separatist movements. Other people brought "Russia" into the discussion; I was trying to understand separatist movements generally and how they could be legitimized, because I think separatism is a good counterweight to consolidation.

Quote:

12. “Evidens". So, where are we now?
Yes, "Evidens"... where ARE we now?

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BTW, because I know you will contest those as not having Russia in the title (!), just do a text search on each of them and you'll find "Russia" all over your posts.
Mostly the posts of others.

For example, in my first post, it was all about the DNC and its FBI-DOJ connection, Hillary and Debbie and how they messed with the election process and compromised security (national security and party security).

So here's your approach: When I DON'T talk about Russia, it's about Russia. (because it's "deflection"). When I DO talk about Russia, it's about Russia. And when Russia is a tangential reference, it's STILL about Russia.

Every single thread about anything, YOU collectively turn it into a discussion of Russia! I can't help it if you're obsessed with the topic. You see it where it doesn't even exist, you insert it into threads that are explicitly NOT about Russia.



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Sunday, December 10, 2017 12:52 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:

Originally posted by G:
You went back half a year? Do you have any life? Cats all dead, wine all drunk?

It took me about 5 minutes, mostly waiting for the site. Because, unlike you, I know how to use a computer. Because, unlike you, I'm not stupid.

But anyway GEEBERS, let's get back to your RUSSIA ! obsession. You've been squeezing out anti-Russia propaganda threads every week or so, not to mention the hundreds on hundreds of anti-Russia posts.

And aside from that, you're an everyday sadist.

Do you have mental health issues?




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Sunday, December 10, 2017 12:57 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
...

more pointless stupidity




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Sunday, December 10, 2017 2:29 PM

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Sunday, December 10, 2017 2:35 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
... I missed this in the thread, but SECOND posted a great fix for bad reporting
Quote:

the news could stop using Anonymous unless the editor knows the Anonymous’ real name. If Anonymous lied to gullible reporters, Anonymous’ real name is published by the editor, along with a retraction.
I don't know how I missed this, but kudos to SECOND!



I third that, but there would have to be audio and/or video to back that up as well. Otherwise it's meaningless.

The more I think about it, the more it doesn't sound plausible in practice.

"Anonymous" may or may not be lying when they say what they're saying, but they feel safe saying it only because they're "off the record". Whether what they're saying is true or a lie, they might not say it at all if they're essentially being blackmailed with it for an indefinite amount of time after the fact by the MSM.

"Anonymous" may not even exist... but it would be easy for the MSM to give them an identity after the fact if something were to blow up in their face.

Let's say "Anonymous" is real... Say what they're saying IS true at the time, but circumstances behind the scenes change and now it seems to have been a lie. It wasn't a lie at the time it was said, but now Rachel Maddow can save her own career by outing this anonymous source and throwing them into the public gallows.



I don't know what the answer to this is, and this one isn't necessarily wrong, but I think it needs to be thought out a bit more and revamped.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Sunday, December 10, 2017 2:40 PM

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Noise is all you trolls post. You aren't addressing the Russian investigation. What you are doing is deflecting. You aren't debating about all the Russian contacts we have been learning about. You know, the ones the entire administration claimed didn't happen, but did.

No, instead you just claim there is nothing to see here. No Russian Trump interaction conspiricy all. Instead you bring up Hillary and others.

What you trolls represent is the party of perverts and pedophiles.



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Sunday, December 10, 2017 2:54 PM

SIGNYM

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You aren't addressing the Russian investigation. What you are doing is deflecting. You aren't debating about all the Russian contacts we have been learning about. You know, the ones the entire administration claimed didn't happen, but did.
Yup, like I said: When I DON'T talk about Russia, it's about Russia. When I DO talk about Russia, it's about Russia. And when Russia is just a tangential reference, it's STILL about Russia!

For you it's all about Russia and it's ALWAYS about Russia.

YOU GUYS HAVE RUSSIA ON THE BRAIN!

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Sunday, December 10, 2017 3:11 PM

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What you trolls represent is the party of perverts and pedophiles.



LOL...

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Another nasty Obama surprise - you only rent your citizenship rights from the IRS
Mon, July 16, 2018 22:07 - 4 posts
This is Why Trump is a SCUMBAG!
Mon, July 16, 2018 22:04 - 434 posts
You can't take the sky from me, a tribute to Firefly
Mon, July 16, 2018 20:52 - 183 posts
The Anti-Trump Libtards Running The Trump-Russia-Collusion Farce
Mon, July 16, 2018 19:27 - 103 posts
Dow @ 20K. Time to jump off!
Mon, July 16, 2018 16:38 - 539 posts
"We Are Headed For The Status Of A Colony": British Boris Johnson's Full Resignation Letter
Mon, July 16, 2018 14:46 - 5 posts
Evidence: The DNC server was not "hacked"
Mon, July 16, 2018 14:12 - 56 posts
A Question of NATO
Mon, July 16, 2018 14:05 - 18 posts
The Weekly List
Mon, July 16, 2018 13:59 - 4 posts
Something to feel good about
Mon, July 16, 2018 13:26 - 50 posts
A thread for Democrats Only
Mon, July 16, 2018 09:22 - 1535 posts
JO 753 for Prezident!
Mon, July 16, 2018 08:21 - 376 posts

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