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Alt-Right is the new New Left.

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UPDATED: Monday, February 20, 2017 09:55
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Saturday, February 18, 2017 11:30 PM

DREAMTROVE


Just wanted to say that in case anyone hadn't yet.

David Horowitz, one of the main architects of the New Left, is also the main architect of the Alt Right. He, together with Pam Geller, have created Milo, in the mold of their last disaster, Anders Breivik.

I don't doubt that countless people are falling for this trick, as they did for the New Left itself. And still are, and are out protesting against the Alt Right.

So not arguing this one, just putting it out there: anyone buying in, y'all have been had. "Hey, I'm a conservative" "Hey, I'm a liberal" I'm a man, I'm your mother, I'm a white supremacist NWO riot cop. Love me, follow me, I'm the gay rights all world liberation gestapo.



Tonight we're going to Party like it's 1939

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Saturday, February 18, 2017 11:47 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Hey DT ! Is that really you !!??? Man, it's been far too long.

Don't be a stranger - OK?




How did your beloved 'democratic' party fuck up so badly?

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Sunday, February 19, 2017 8:53 AM

SOCKPUPPET


Nah, it's a synthetic 6 base pair organism pretending to be DT

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Sunday, February 19, 2017 11:55 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them. SECOND: I am so very sorry I libelled you by labelling you a Russian Troll. I apologize for this. http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=64646&p=2


hahahaha!!!

Been thinking about you, man! I sure talked about you often enough!



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Sunday, February 19, 2017 12:20 PM

DREAMTROVE


In the old days, I'd say "only good things I hope." Now there's google

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Sunday, February 19, 2017 12:32 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them. SECOND: I am so very sorry I libelled you by labelling you a Russian Troll. I apologize for this. http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=64646&p=2


Yep, only good things,



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Sunday, February 19, 2017 1:04 PM

DREAMTROVE


That's scary.

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Sunday, February 19, 2017 4:32 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
Just wanted to say that in case anyone hadn't yet.

David Horowitz, one of the main architects of the New Left, is also the main architect of the Alt Right. He, together with Pam Geller, have created Milo, in the mold of their last disaster, Anders Breivik.

I don't doubt that countless people are falling for this trick, as they did for the New Left itself. And still are, and are out protesting against the Alt Right.

So not arguing this one, just putting it out there: anyone buying in, y'all have been had. "Hey, I'm a conservative" "Hey, I'm a liberal" I'm a man, I'm your mother, I'm a white supremacist NWO riot cop. Love me, follow me, I'm the gay rights all world liberation gestapo.


Tonight we're going to Party like it's 1939


So, umm, the New Left was delusioned Communists fathered by a German Jew.
And, umm, the Alt-Right is apparently some who oppose Right-wing ppolicies and beliefs but want to siphon support of the Right in America, while spouting anti-Jewish hate speech.
And, um, you are saying these are one and the same?

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Sunday, February 19, 2017 5:17 PM

DREAMTROVE


Quote:


So, umm, the New Left was delusioned Communists fathered by a German Jew.
And, umm, the Alt-Right is apparently some who oppose Right-wing ppolicies and beliefs but want to siphon support of the Right in America, while spouting anti-Jewish hate speech.
And, um, you are saying these are one and the same?



Yes. Well, sort of.

Okay, you know how the neocons in the 70s admitted they were still socialists, but supported conservative values? They gave different reasons for it, but I suspect it ultimately was the fallout of the complete failure of Shachtman to elect a democrat. Lastly, Scoop Jackson.

So, think of this as the same sort of twist.

The Frankfurt School, a communist and yes largely jewish* group, left fleeing the nazis. Led by by Herbert Marcuse, they found they had to retool their cultural revolution plans to a much less socialist-friendly America. Nonetheless, key points of FS's Culture of Pessimism, eg, "Political Correctness," moral relativism, eschewing the aesthetic, etc. became part and parcel of the american cultural left, through the media, increasing from the 60s through the present.

* Communism, founded by Moses Hess, and his students Marx and Engels, was an answer to the largely antisemitic socialism that came out of the french revolution. They proposed a jewish-only adaptation of socialism, called communism. Under Marx it quickly became more secular, but remained majority jewish, with the exceptions of the Supreme Soviet, which was purged of Jews by Stalin, and its descendant, Maoism.

David Horowitz, who is a very young 78, nonetheless was at the helm and a strong proponent of the New Left throughout its transition from Marcuse's socialist dream to a capital-adapted revolution.

Now we find Horowitz himself, along with his usual entourage, at the helm of the Alt-Left, even as its creators.

If you take a careful look at what Milo, Bannon, et al, say, so much of it is actually the same moral relativist, cultural deconstructionist, pro-state agenda, just peppered with the flavors of conservatism, nationalism, and populism.

This strikes me as the same sort of re-invention as the neocons in the 1970s.

But you don't have to dig far at all to find the connections. The architects of Alt-Right are awash with members of the New Left, and carry with them many of their old specific positions, (not just broad ideologies) pro-zionism, anti-islam, pro-gay, etc. not ideas generally found in either the traditional right or the libertarian movements of the last decade.

So, the pseudo nationalism is at a minimum, seasoning, and at a maximum, fragmentism targeted at destabilizing multinational unions and trade agreements it sees as beign anti-left, anti-communist or antisemitic. Among these woudl be the EU, which is starting to resemble a cross between the USSR and the 4th reich, for fairly obvious reasons of its own ancestry.

The next question is does the still extant New Left (SJWs, etc.) really truly oppose (at an organizational level, w/ Soros, Brzezinsky, et al) the Alt-Right, or is this all theater?

It is possible that the coupling of the EU immigration policy and the displacement of islamic refugees by our wars in the mideast were intended to create a problem (a suggestion I made here about 10 years ago) in order to facilitate just such a situation?

Also, does not the hyperactive spasms of today's New Left not silence it's own voice? Who would actually hear a solid protest based on solid grounds to any action of the Alt-Right in the wash of all of the protesting everything just because Trump is president, or in Europe, protesting everything that is not jumping up and down to join the EU? Doesn't this just play right into the hands of the Alt-Right, and if so, why would New Left organizers go along with it, unless they were in on the whole deal.

The whole situation to me reeks of the Rockefeller-Carnegie-Morgan western indurstialist finanical takedown of the League of Nations to install their own United Nations and inherit all that the League was or would have been, from pre to post WWII.

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Sunday, February 19, 2017 10:17 PM

ELVISCHRIST


There is no such thing as any "alt right." These fuckers are nazis, pure and simple.

Look at who they are. Look at what they do. Look at what they say. Look at who they associate with. They're nazis.

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Monday, February 20, 2017 12:24 AM

DREAMTROVE


Quote:

Originally posted by ElvisChrist:
There is no such thing as any "alt right." These fuckers are nazis, pure and simple.



Speaking as a Jew, whose extended family was killed in the holocaust, who has actually been the prisoner of Nazis, I consider myself somewhat familiar with them.

Horowitz, Geller and Breitbart are very much jews. Bannon and Trump are pro-jewish, and Ivanka, Jared and Milo are all jewish.

The ultra-nationalism and xenophobia of Alt-Right is worrisome, esp. from an islamic perspective. That said, one has to be careful throwing the word Nazi about.

There still is a Nazi party, and it still has adherents. It's a state socialist militant bent on global domination and supremacy of a white, germanic christian fascist powerbase.

Brzezinsky is an avid supporter, as were many in the last administration. The Maidan coup and the libyan rebels self-identify as such. HRC was very pro-nazi. all of these people were also very pro-german and anti-semtitic.

Merkel is very similar to a nazi, but at the same time, she's a long term commie, so it's hard to peg her as one, she's as soviet as she is german.

As for white supremacist angle, I doubt it for most of them. A few cranks like Milo will say the right words to get the racists on board, but they don't really believe it.

Alt Right was designed to get a large swath of the disenchanted right on board with what is basically a commie agenda. Stormfront types were targeted just the same as libertarians, tea partiers, isolationists, anyone who had lost faith in the GOP and wasn't buying in to neocon globalims.

It's a very carefully constructed ideology, but that's what it is, constructed
It's a marketing scheme.
So was New Left.
And New Left is still around, but it's 1/2 a century old, so a lot of the mantras that it chants don't resonate with a younger generation.

My point wasn't that one was wrong and one was right, but that they're both marketing schemes of the frankfurt school commies, whose stated goal is to destroy america. that's not a conspiracy theory, it's what they said outright half a century ago.

For what it's worth.


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Monday, February 20, 2017 9:55 AM

DREAMTROVE


Quote:

Originally posted by G:

Whoa - white people gettin' dooooown!



Stills said in an interview I heard on the radio years ago that Buffalo Springfield was unable to get any media company to sign them after that song, which led to their dissolution and reformation as Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young.

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