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Sunday, April 19, 2015 2:47 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


So, if the repubs are for big business - a fact you can't dispute with other facts - why are you for them? Is it because they're so bent on personal freedoms like gays getting married and women getting birth control, or the dismantlement of the surveillance state, or allowing people to freely join a union for mutual benefit? (That's irony - I feel I have to point that out with you.) Is it because they want to maintain clean drinking water, safe foods, and air that won't kill you when you breathe it? (This is more irony as well.) Is it because they have such a robust plan for medical care that will fix the problems of the old for-profit system? (This is yet more irony, since, as you know, they've failed to come up with that alternative they promised so many years ago.)

What is it about their agenda you like, if being pro-business isn't it?




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Sunday, April 19, 2015 2:53 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



When you start off mis-characterizing my views or the views of others, the desire to even attempt an honest exchange drops greatly. The laying out of false premises as a starting point gets us no where.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

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Sunday, April 19, 2015 3:22 PM

JONGSSTRAW

We carry in our hearts the true country, and that cannot be stolen.


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

When you start off mis-characterizing my views or the views of others, the desire to even attempt an honest exchange drops greatly. The laying out of false premises as a starting point gets us no where.


Wow! Figured that out all by yourself did ya? And only in a mere 10 years! It must be so frustrating and personally devastating for you not being able to communicate all friendly-like with the demented leftist psycho assholes here.

Oh sorry .... my bad. There I go calling them names they deserve again. I'll just never learn! "You're a better man than I am Gunga Din."

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Sunday, April 19, 2015 3:23 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


I asked questions. There are question marks after my sentences. Maybe I should have made them some bright color so you couldn't miss them.





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Sunday, April 19, 2015 3:29 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!




See ? It ends in a question mark !

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

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Sunday, April 19, 2015 3:41 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


And that makes it a question! VERY GOOD! And questions are looking for answers!


Got any?




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Sunday, April 19, 2015 4:26 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
Quote:

]Originally posted by AURaptor:
OK, folks. One more time .. by the numbers ...
Both the UN and the United States had knowledge of Saddam's WMDs.
The UN ordered Saddam to destroy his WMDs.
Saddam agreed to destroy his WMDs.
Saddam agreed to provide evidence of the destruction of his WMDs
Before destroying his WMDs Saddam kicked the UN inspectors out of Iraq.
After Saddam kicked out the inspectors there was evidence that he began a program to hide his WMDs
Saddam now claims that he destroyed his WMDs, after he kicked out the weapons inspectors.
Saddam has never failed any evidence that he destroyed the WMDs.
Three UN resolutions, Numbers 678, 687 and 1441 authorize either the UN or any member state to use force against Saddam Hussein if he fails to abide by his agreements to destroy his WMDs, and to document that destruction.
The United States, Great Britain, Australia, Spain and about 38 other nations banded together to act against Saddam in compliance with those three UN resolutions.


I have to say your 'facts' are highly ... hmmm ... untrue.


Can you specify which one is? Or more than one?

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Sunday, April 19, 2015 4:32 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

]Originally posted by AURaptor:
WHY DO WE HAVE TO GO OVER THIS TIME AND TIME AGAIN?

Well, the answer to that question is clear. We have to go over this time after time because there are certain people out there, we'll call them "liberals," who are still in a state of despair and shock over President Bush's successful removal of Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq and the liberation of the Iraqi people.

Day after day we read newS stories, columns and various opinion pieces from the Molly Ivins brigade trumpeting Bush's failure to find weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. This presumably means that the entire Iraqi effort was illegitimate and, perhaps, that Bush ought to be defeated in 2004, at best, or impeached, at worst for his failure.

OK, folks. One more time .. by the numbers ...
Both the UN and the United States had knowledge of Saddam's WMDs.
The UN ordered Saddam to destroy his WMDs.
Saddam agreed to destroy his WMDs.
Saddam agreed to provide evidence of the destruction of his WMDs
Before destroying his WMDs Saddam kicked the UN inspectors out of Iraq.
After Saddam kicked out the inspectors there was evidence that he began a program to hide his WMDs
Saddam now claims that he destroyed his WMDs, after he kicked out the weapons inspectors.
Saddam has never failed any evidence that he destroyed the WMDs.
Three UN resolutions, Numbers 678, 687 and 1441 authorize either the UN or any member state to use force against Saddam Hussein if he fails to abide by his agreements to destroy his WMDs, and to document that destruction.
The United States, Great Britain, Australia, Spain and about 38 other nations banded together to act against Saddam in compliance with those three UN resolutions.

It's just that easy. Any questions?

Yes, just one question- How did you manage to get so derailed from reality on this topic?

Yanno, I could do a point-by-point ... in fact, have done so quite a number of times already ...


Can you provide a link to where you have done so?

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Sunday, April 19, 2015 4:34 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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Sig - to the contrary, this should shine the light on the dirty little secret that it's not the GOP who is wedded to big business, but it's the Dems. -RAPPY


Seriously? I could bring you quite a list of all the big businesses that the Republicans are chained to!


And I could do the same for the Dems , including Wall Street.

The myth that the GOP are for " big business " , the rich and the powerful , while the Dems are for the little guy, the poor and the great unwashed, is one of the bigger lies of our time.


Now you've stepped in it. They are gonna come get you now.

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Sunday, April 19, 2015 4:55 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


So, if the repubs are for big business - a fact you can't dispute with other facts - why are you for them? Is it because they're so bent on personal freedoms like gays getting married and women getting birth control, or the dismantlement of the surveillance state, or allowing people to freely join a union for mutual benefit? (That's irony - I feel I have to point that out with you.) Is it because they want to maintain clean drinking water, safe foods, and air that won't kill you when you breathe it? (This is more irony as well.) Is it because they have such a robust plan for medical care that will fix the problems of the old for-profit system? (This is yet more irony, since, as you know, they've failed to come up with that alternative they promised so many years ago.)

What is it about their agenda you like, if being pro-business isn't it?


And those question marks make them questions! And questions are looking for answers!


Got any?




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Sunday, April 19, 2015 5:43 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Some questions are more statements & lies than legitimate attempts to get answers.

" have you stopped beating your wife / kids ? "



Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

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Sunday, April 19, 2015 5:51 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


What is it about their agenda you like, if being pro-business isn't it?




SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

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Sunday, April 19, 2015 5:59 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:

Wow! Figured that out all by yourself did ya? And only in a mere 10 years! It must be so frustrating and personally devastating for you not being able to communicate all friendly-like with the demented leftist psycho assholes here.

Oh sorry .... my bad. There I go calling them names they deserve again. I'll just never learn! "You're a better man than I am Gunga Din."



Rich from you, seeing as you are currently the number one demented arsehole in here with NOTHING to add but insults and vitriol. I can't remember the last time you did anything but snarl obscenities. Get a life old man, you are losing the plot.

Go ahead now, spit your usual hatred. I feel sorry for you.

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Sunday, April 19, 2015 6:21 PM

JONGSSTRAW

We carry in our hearts the true country, and that cannot be stolen.


Quote:

Originally posted by MagonsWHORE

Rich from you, seeing as you are currently the number one demented arsehole in here with NOTHING to add but insults and vitriol. I can't remember the last time you did anything but snarl obscenities. Get a life old man, you are losing the plot.


So glad to live down to your expectations.

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Sunday, April 19, 2015 7:10 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


That's a real benefit of having a 'mommie dearest'. You don't have to try to live up to anything at all. You can let your 'lazy flag' fly, and you get to blame it all on someone else who ruined your life.

OTOH they say when you're young you're the person you were raised to be, but as you get older you're the person you were born to be. So, were you born to be a lazy, ill-tempered, irrelevant creature?




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Sunday, April 19, 2015 8:35 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:

So glad to live down to your expectations.



Yeah and you are a disappointment. I have been here long enough to remember when you could actually be civil and have a discussion. I wonder what happened.

Personally, I want to discuss issues with people who have different views, and there is a world between between getting hot under the collar and just being abusive for the sake of it. Seems like with some here, you have a different view you are a non person. Is that what the USA is like now? How sad.

Edit. BTW rather be labelled a whore than BE some sad old fool who gets s thrill out of abusing women on the Internet. Sad, sad, and pathetic.

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Sunday, April 19, 2015 8:35 PM

MOOSE


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

No need to insult moose like that.



Yeah!
WTF, Whozit?!?!

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Sunday, April 19, 2015 9:01 PM

WHOZIT


Quote:

Originally posted by Moose:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

No need to insult moose like that.



Yeah!
WTF, Whozit?!?!


Oops, sorry.

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Monday, April 20, 2015 2:57 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Seriously? I could bring you quite a list of all the big businesses that the Republicans are chained to!-SIGNY

And I could do the same for the Dems , including Wall Street. The myth that the GOP are for " big business " , the rich and the powerful , while the Dems are for the little guy, the poor and the great unwashed, is one of the bigger lies of our time. - RAPPY


Nobody is saying that the Dems are for "the little guy", least of all me. There are more Dems than GOP who are for the little guy, but not the party overall.

So, since the Dems and GOP are almost equally bad, whyizzit that you're for Repubs? Because they stood up to failed Wall Street bankers and refused to bail them out? Because, as KIKI said, they're for clean air? Because they support personal freedom and a balanced budget? Is it because they're free of that old-time religion? (not, not, not, not, and not) Out of all of the Repubs, the only one who might be worth voting for is Rand Paul. The rest are as bad as Hillary.

So, what's your reasoning?

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Monday, April 20, 2015 6:25 AM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Right, and the ludicrous idea that dems are socialist? It's laughable.

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Monday, April 20, 2015 11:20 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Rightwingers here have no idea what "socialism" means. They think that anyone left of Genghis Khan is a socialist, when what most people REALLY are (pretty much throughout a vertical slice of society) are liberals who really want to keep capitalism in place- they just want a softer, fluffier capitalism because anything else would significantly deprive people, which might lead to real change. And (gasp!) we can't have THAT.

So liberals (which constitute the majority of the Democratic Party) are really just "kinder, gentler" capitalists ... yanno, the welfare recipients want their welfare, the middle class who feel guilty/afraid and want their continued middle class status, and the dolers-out-of-welfare want their high-powered elected positions and the wealth that goes along with status. Some capitalists even see this and agree with it, because even THEY have an interest in their continued position.

At some point, people really should look into the contradictions on which their economy and society are founded.

This wealth discrepancy which capitalists celebrate in one example. The reason why having a crap-ton of poor people is self-defeating is because YOU CAN'T SELL TO POOR PEOPLE. And if everyone is poor, making iPhones, who the hell is going to buy them?

To extend the example, most nations (with the exception of the USA, which gave up this idea long ago) think they're going to "achieve wealth" by becoming net exporting nations. But since EVERY nation can't be a net exporter ... that's math for ya! ... at best half or fewer of the contending nations will reach the status of "net exporter", and the remainder will simply be wage slaves on the world market, suffering from high unemployment and abysmal living standards.

Fortunately there are other options available.


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Monday, April 20, 2015 1:12 PM

REAVERFAN


The funny thing is that Hillary will walk, not run, right into the white house, and there's nothing anyone can do about it.

She's gonna win. By a landslide. The teanderthals don't stand a chance.

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Monday, April 20, 2015 1:24 PM

STORYMARK


Quote:

And finally, on the 'infidelity' topic, I was wondering - is it only INDEFENSIBLE for democrats? Or is it also INDEFENSIBLE for republicans?


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Touched a nerve, I see.

LOL

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall



By asking you a question you don't have the balls to answer, why, yes, it seems she did.


As cowardly as ever, rappy.


“Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'”? Isaac Asimov

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Monday, April 20, 2015 7:33 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
Right, and the ludicrous idea that dems are socialist? It's laughable.


Sorry to break the news, but we are referring to America here. If you knew that, your denial must act as balm to assuage your guilt.
All of the Socialist Party members in Congress who are not elected under the Socialist Party are Elected as Democrats. None are elected as Republicans.
Of all the members of Congress, those who vote most in line with the Democrat party platform (most faithfully Democrat) are the Socialist party, with something like 98% voting record. The nearest Democrat is something like 70% in line with the Democrat platform.
Here in America, the Democrats are the Socialists, even if some of them don't bother with membership in the Party.

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Monday, April 20, 2015 7:35 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
The funny thing is that Hillary will walk, not run, right into the white house, and there's nothing anyone can do about it.

She's gonna win. By a landslide. The teanderthals don't stand a chance.


Any bets that KPO doesn't bother including this in the predictions thread?

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Monday, April 20, 2015 7:40 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
So, if the repubs are for big business - a fact you can't dispute with other facts - why are you for them? Is it because they're so bent on personal freedoms like gays getting married and women getting birth control, or the dismantlement of the surveillance state, or allowing people to freely join a union for mutual benefit? (That's irony - I feel I have to point that out with you.) Is it because they want to maintain clean drinking water, safe foods, and air that won't kill you when you breathe it? (This is more irony as well.) Is it because they have such a robust plan for medical care that will fix the problems of the old for-profit system? (This is yet more irony, since, as you know, they've failed to come up with that alternative they promised so many years ago.)

What is it about their agenda you like, if being pro-business isn't it?


And those question marks make them questions! And questions are looking for answers!


Got any?


Often you focus your batshit crazy on one topic or so. But here you manage to recap your far-flung batshit crazy spectrum in one post. I do recall there is far more that you have kept in the closet for this, but here is a decent sampling.

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Monday, April 20, 2015 7:47 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Rightwingers here have no idea what "socialism" means. They think


...which is why you cannot do your thoughtless battle with them.

When the Democrats self-identify as Socialist, why should I deny their honest claims?
When the Democrats are members of the Socialist Party, why should I deny them?
You may have heard from a famous Republican that people should be judged by their actions, their character (or lack of it). When the Democrats who form the platform for their Party clearly chose a subset of the Socialist Party which only the Socialists can vote for without losing their seats, why should we deny them their Socialist character or Socialist voting record?

You doth protest too much.

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Wednesday, April 22, 2015 5:37 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
The funny thing is that Hillary will walk, not run, right into the white house, and there's nothing anyone can do about it.

She's gonna win. By a landslide. The teanderthals don't stand a chance.



She'll likely get primaried, if her health even allows her to see the convention.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Wednesday, April 22, 2015 6:36 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
The funny thing is that Hillary will walk, not run, right into the white house, and there's nothing anyone can do about it.

She's gonna win. By a landslide. The teanderthals don't stand a chance.



She'll likely get primaried, if her health even allows her to see the convention.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen


Maybe she'll be sleep deprived, and accept the nomination anyhow. Then she can spend the whole time til the general election continuing to campaign against the DNC candidate, and lying that she is the candidate, because she is sleep deprived.

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