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Saturday, August 9, 2014 9:36 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



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Saturday, August 9, 2014 11:21 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


HAHAHAHA!

Really, who CHECKS these things???

What?

No one, you say???

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Saturday, August 9, 2014 2:15 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


I was curious who would respond, and how. When I posted about CNNs mistake - understandable IMO given how many hands have a role in putting together even the shortest snippet in a few minutes - many of the usual suspects posted critical comments or snark: AURAPTOR, JEWELSTAITEFAN (who, in an act of irony, called the location 'Honk Kong'), JONGSSTRAW and WHOZIT.

But when I posted about a similar mistake on FOX, they're strangely silent.




SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

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Saturday, August 9, 2014 5:26 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


That's because the source, HHS , is clearly cited, and no one can believe THOSE numbers, regardless of which news channel they appear.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Saturday, August 9, 2014 5:37 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
I was curious who would respond, and how. When I posted about CNNs mistake - understandable IMO given how many hands have a role in putting together even the shortest snippet in a few minutes - many of the usual suspects posted critical comments or snark: AURAPTOR, JEWELSTAITEFAN (who, in an act of irony, called the location 'Honk Kong'), JONGSSTRAW and WHOZIT.

But when I posted about a similar mistake on FOX, they're strangely silent.






What?
What mistake? You are unfamiliar with the news? This was broadcast on numerous media outlets - if you are trying to claim you were able to avoid listening to actual news not sourced from the White House, I can understand that.
And where else do you think King Kong is located? He's on an Island in the mouth of the Amazon, right?

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Saturday, August 9, 2014 5:37 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:

Quote:



this image, right?

What, are you whining that the full width of the chart is not shown? The dismal enrollment slope that ensued following the beginning of enrollment in something like 1 October of the year before? You want the full 6 months shown so that the tiny portion of a few days becomes obscured in order to hide the obvious fabrication of figures?
You want to hide the claim that after 6,000,000 claimed enrollments in 6 months (about 333,000 per day, or 454,000 per business day) the claim of over 1 million in one business day was obvious falsehood?
Is that it?

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Saturday, August 9, 2014 5:45 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



I swear, if anyone made this up in a movie, no one would buy it. Not even a little.

Lost emails scandal spreads to top Obamacare official

Follows data loss in Lois Lerner IRS tea party targeting probe


http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/aug/7/lost-emails-scandal-spr
eads-top-obamacare-official/#ixzz39vvaIo81

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Monday, August 11, 2014 6:24 PM

FREMDFIRMA



Now you're just embarassing yourself Rappy/JSF.
Hint: Check Timestamps - patience is your ally in deception.

-Frem

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Monday, August 11, 2014 6:35 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA:

Now you're just embarassing yourself Rappy/JSF.
Hint: Check Timestamps - patience is your ally in deception.

-Frem



You made the claim, nut job. If you can't back up your claim, then kindly go frak yourself.

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Monday, August 11, 2014 6:47 PM

WHOZIT


Now you believe FOX News?

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Monday, August 11, 2014 6:52 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA:

Now you're just embarassing yourself Rappy/JSF.
Hint: Check Timestamps - patience is your ally in deception.

-Frem



You made the claim, nut job. If you can't back up your claim, then kindly go frak yourself.


I'm curious - how do you think time works for the likes of Frem? Is delusional time similar to surreal time? Is Frem's delusional time akin to hypoxia, non-linear, hyper-accelerated and slo-mo? Does Frem's delusional hop and skip about, going backwards sometimes?
Just wondering.

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Monday, August 11, 2014 7:04 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


JSF - careful. You're steering awfully close to making Frem sound a bit like The Doctor, and I sure as hell could not handle that pile of go-se that is Frem to be seen anywhere near that awesome a character.

*shudder*


Now that I'm thinking 'bout timey whimey stuff...

Enjoy!


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Monday, August 11, 2014 7:15 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA:

Now you're just embarassing yourself Rappy/JSF.
Hint: Check Timestamps - patience is your ally in deception.


No overabundance of schooling with that one.

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Monday, August 11, 2014 7:33 PM

FREMDFIRMA


Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

No overabundance of schooling with that one.


No doubt, he's fumbled it completely this time, and what with the evidence here for all to see...

Also, overplaying the hand, talking to "himself" as if it were a third person, in a wholly unconvincing manner, is a dead giveaway.

-F

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Monday, August 11, 2014 8:00 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

No overabundance of schooling with that one.


No doubt, he's fumbled it completely this time, and what with the evidence here for all to see...

Also, overplaying the hand, talking to "himself" as if it were a third person, in a wholly unconvincing manner, is a dead giveaway.

-F



How else am I suppose to refer to JSF other than JSF ?


Sybil, is that you ?

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Monday, August 11, 2014 8:08 PM

JONGSSTRAW

We carry in our hearts the true country, and that cannot be stolen.


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

Sybil, is that you ?


Hands down my favorite Sally Field role.

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Monday, August 11, 2014 8:11 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

Sybil, is that you ?


Hands down my favorite Sally Field role.



You know that was all bunk, don't you ? The whole 'Sybil' back story ? Utterly phony.

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Monday, August 11, 2014 9:29 PM

JONGSSTRAW

We carry in our hearts the true country, and that cannot be stolen.


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

Sybil, is that you ?


Hands down my favorite Sally Field role.



You know that was all bunk, don't you ? The whole 'Sybil' back story ? Utterly phony.


It was a "fictional" 1976 TV movie based on a true case.

From IMDB:

"The movie Sybil is based upon author Flora Rheta Schreiberthe's novel and fictionalized version of the life story of Shirley Ardell Mason, an American psychiatric patient, claimed to have suffered multiple personality disorder. The novel Sybil, was in it's turn based largely on the alleged actual accounts of psychiatric treatment that Shirley Ardell Mason underwent, documented by American psychiatrist Cornelia B. Wilbur."

Also interesting:

"Natalie Wood was the casting director's first choice for Sybil, but the screenwriter turned Wood down. The role was then offered to Audrey Hepburn, who declined. The project remained dormant until Joanne Woodward agreed to co-star."


Regardless of whether the story of the movie was "fictionalized" or "clearly phony", it doesn't diminish Sally's tour-de-force performance one iota. Both she and Joanne Woodward were outstanding in it, and the movie is incredibly powerful and riveting every time you watch it.

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Monday, August 11, 2014 10:02 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


So, right whingers - there is something very wrong with this picture. I see none of you has found it yet. Who wants to be the first? (Hint: you learned it in kindergarten.)






SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

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Monday, August 11, 2014 10:56 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Real 'Sybil' Admits Multiple Personalities Were Fake

When Sybil first came out in 1973, not only did it shoot to the top of the best-seller lists — it manufactured a psychiatric phenomenon. The book was billed as the true story of a woman who suffered from multiple personality disorder. Within a few years of its publication, reported cases of multiple personality disorder — now known as dissociative identity disorder — leapt from fewer than 100 to thousands. But in a new book, Sybil Exposed, writer Debbie Nathan argues that most of the story is based on a lie.

Shirley Mason, the real Sybil, grew up in the Midwest in a strict Seventh-day Adventist family. As a young woman she was emotionally unstable, and she decided to seek psychiatric help. Mason became unusually attached to her psychiatrist, Dr. Connie Wilbur, and she knew that Wilbur had a special interest in multiple personality disorder.

http://www.npr.org/2011/10/20/141514464/real-sybil-admits-multiple-per
sonalities-were-fake



@1kiki - Yeah, not seeing it. 6 million is less than 7.06 million. March 27 comes before March 31st..

Might wanna try to elaborate and such.

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Tuesday, August 12, 2014 1:03 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Hint 1:

It has to do with counting. One, two, three ...




SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

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Tuesday, August 12, 2014 8:00 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
Hint 1:

It has to do with counting. One, two, three ...




I'm sure you think you're being clever or have stumbled onto something worth while, but sorry, you'd be wrong.

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Tuesday, August 12, 2014 1:58 PM

G

... fully loaded, safety off...


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
Hint 1:

It has to do with counting. One, two, three ...




I'm sure you think you're being clever or have stumbled onto something worth while, but sorry, you'd be wrong.



I hope it's not that the columns are not proportionally drawn, 'cuz if that's it it's just lame.

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Tuesday, August 12, 2014 2:29 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


In fact, the enrollment column needs to grow by 3 lines, while the goal column needs to shrink by 1.24 . Somehow, FOX accidentally misrepresented a difference of 1 million, and turned it into 4 milion.

Instead of showing enrollment to be 15% behind, FOX showed it to be 63% behind.

OOPS!





SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

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Tuesday, August 12, 2014 2:31 PM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by G:

I hope it's not that the columns are not proportionally drawn, 'cuz if that's it it's just lame.



Obviously, only the top of the graph is shown, with each horizontal line equaling 200,000 signups.

Folks posting graphs often cut off the bottom if the difference isn't all that great, mostly for formatting reasons.

Here's a graph from the Washington Post of labor statistics. Note the lowest figure shows 11 million persons and the highest 18 million.



Here's the article.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/02/13/obamas-2013
-state-of-the-union-address-in-graphs
/

Only MediaMatters and its fans could blow this up into a conspiracy.


"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

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Tuesday, August 12, 2014 2:38 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


But then they admitted they dun dood it wrong and corrected it. Nope, not just a graphing technique.


Fox News Apologizes For Obamacare Graphic, Corrects Its 'Mistake'
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/01/fox-news-corrects-obamacare-g
raphic_n_5069764.html







SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

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Tuesday, August 12, 2014 2:54 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


O M G

Sheldon Cooper step aside!!!

LOL!!

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Tuesday, August 12, 2014 3:26 PM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
But then they admitted they dun dood it wrong and corrected it. Nope, not just a graphing technique.



Funny, but apparently no one complained when the Washington Post did the same thing. Think there's more folks hoping to catch Fox in a miniscule mistake than the Post?


"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

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Tuesday, August 12, 2014 4:02 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Does that somehow erase FOX's error? Does it change the FACT that no right whinger here lambasted FOX for its mistake they way they lambasted CNN? Do you have a point except to derail attention from the FACT that you were wrong, once again?

So, to recap -

@ right whingers find mistakes to be fuel for snark only when they're made by a source NOT FOX
@ right whingers can't even find obvious mistakes when made by FOX
@ when those mistakes are pointed out, right whingers like greezer either find excuses (that turn out to be wrong) or minimize the mistake, like little crappy
@ when caught in a mistake right whingers prefer to attack and derail, rather than admit it and learn from it






SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

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Tuesday, August 12, 2014 4:50 PM

G

... fully loaded, safety off...


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
Does that somehow erase FOX's error? Does it change the FACT that no right whinger here lambasted FOX for its mistake they way they lambasted CNN? Do you have a point except to derail attention from the FACT that you were wrong, once again?

So, to recap -

@ right whingers find mistakes to be fuel for snark only when they're made by a source NOT FOX
@ right whingers can't even find obvious mistakes when made by FOX
@ when those mistakes are pointed out, right whingers like greezer either find excuses (that turn out to be wrong) or minimize the mistake, like little crappy
@ when caught in a mistake right whingers prefer to attack and derail, rather than admit it and learn from it




How was Geezer wrong again?
The numbers matter more than the stupid columns - you're looking real desperate here.

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Tuesday, August 12, 2014 5:32 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


He was wrong because he claimed it was a graphing technique. According to FOX, it wasn't.


If you're going to excuse this mistake:


you should excuse this one:


Or, if you're going to criticize one, you should criticize the other. I wasn't doing either. My posts were just to look at who responded, and how. The right whingers find hyocricy to be no stretch.

You are an intersting datapoint. You want to make me wrong personally, no matter what I've posted, what argument you have to make or what personal attack you have to mount. I shall keep that in mind as what it means you are.

;)





SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

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Tuesday, August 12, 2014 5:44 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

No overabundance of schooling with that one.


No doubt, he's fumbled it completely this time, and what with the evidence here for all to see...

Also, overplaying the hand, talking to "himself" as if it were a third person, in a wholly unconvincing manner, is a dead giveaway.

-F



How else am I suppose to refer to JSF other than JSF ?


Sybil, is that you ?


YOU SHALL HENCEFORTH refer to me as JewelStaiteFan, RapKnight. Only the fully delusional such as Frem shall refer to me as JSF when used in the same sentence as "Rappy" heretofore.
Of course, if you refer to me as JSF when Frem is off to feed the birds and doesn't notice, I will comprehend the reference. I think Jongs will, and a few others as well. But some might get confused.

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Tuesday, August 12, 2014 5:57 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
In fact, the enrollment column needs to grow by 3 lines, while the goal column needs to shrink by 1.24

OOPS!


Geez, I kept looking at that and it never registered that the right column was labeled "goal" instead of "claimed enrollment" for 31 March! Obviously, the "goal" was only 7 million, and the chart shows 7,066,000 for the bar labeled "goal" - that's a good catch, but seems a bit picayune methinks. Of course, if the label is to stay, this means the bar would also need to change, for if the horizontal reference lines continue to represent 200,000 per, then the 7,000,000 would need to be dropped a smidge down to that 5th line above 6,000,000 (5 x 200,000 = 1,000,000 and 6,000,000 + 1,000,000 = 7,000,000).
But that is still extremely minor - or was your point supposed to be extremely petty?

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Tuesday, August 12, 2014 6:02 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
In fact, the enrollment column needs to grow by 3 lines, while the goal column needs to shrink by 1.24 . Somehow, FOX accidentally misrepresented a difference of 1 million, and turned it into 4 milion.

Instead of showing enrollment to be 15% behind, FOX showed it to be 63% behind.

OOPS!


Oh, wait. Now I see the rest of your post. You were just being thick, or delusional, or obstinent, or just incapable of reading bar graphs. Did you not notice the complete width of the graph did not span from the beginning of October, 6 months prior? Are you just obtuse, or working hard to appear that way? Did you fail math after first grade?

Will it make any difference that this week Obamination announced that over 310,000 were fake, fictitious enrollments which will need to be dropped, likely before September? This would make the 31 March real-world enrollment around 6,756,000 - which would be short of the "goal" which Obamination championed. Shirley he could not have considered intentionally fabricating enrollment, we know how that "I've destroyed Al-queda" worked out for Ambassador Stevens' bunghole.

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Tuesday, August 12, 2014 6:10 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
But then they admitted they dun dood it wrong and corrected it. Nope, not just a graphing technique.


Fox News Apologizes For Obamacare Graphic, Corrects Its 'Mistake'
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/01/fox-news-corrects-obamacare-g
raphic_n_5069764.html



Oooooh. Such a newsworthy, reliable, unbiased, balanced newssource such as huffinandpuffingtonpost!!! Now I must believe it, as well as everything I read on the interwebs!

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Tuesday, August 12, 2014 6:14 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:





The pic has no #'s associated with the horizontal lines. Just 2 numbers in the colored columns, and two dates. At the bottom of the image, there is no zero designation, so there's no real way of determining what is " wrong " with this pic. The columns pictured could be merely the tops of each total for the respected dates listed.

In HUGE contrast, Hong Kong is no where near S. America. At all !

By Jessic Alba's knickers , this has been a colossal waste of time!

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Tuesday, August 12, 2014 7:23 PM

G

... fully loaded, safety off...


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:

Or, if you're going to criticize one, you should criticize the other. I wasn't doing either. My posts were just to look at who responded, and how. The right whingers find hyocricy to be no stretch.

You are an intersting datapoint. You want to make me wrong personally, no matter what I've posted, what argument you have to make or what personal attack you have to mount. I shall keep that in mind as what it means you are.

;)



I think the whole idea of posting on a public forum, especially RWED, is very personal, so that should not be a surprise. That's the Internet world of today. If your second post had been as obvious as the first you might have had a more apples to apples test. You thesis is sound though, but also not surprising.

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Wednesday, August 13, 2014 5:41 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
He was wrong because he claimed it was a graphing technique. According to FOX, it wasn't.



If you're going to excuse this mistake:


you should excuse this one:


Or, if you're going to criticize one, you should criticize the other. I wasn't doing either. My posts were just to look at who responded, and how. The right whingers find hyocricy to be no stretch.

You are an intersting datapoint. You want to make me wrong personally, no matter what I've posted, what argument you have to make or what personal attack you have to mount. I shall keep that in mind as what it means you are.

;)





SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.


I suspect you intended to post those images in reverse order of what you did.

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Wednesday, August 13, 2014 5:52 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
But then they admitted they dun dood it wrong and corrected it. Nope, not just a graphing technique.


Fox News Apologizes For Obamacare Graphic, Corrects Its 'Mistake'
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/01/fox-news-corrects-obamacare-g
raphic_n_5069764.html






Shirley this means they were wrong, because algore created Global Warming and the Internet?

Just because they were right, and had some weak-willed lawyer convince them to issue some mea culpa, does not discount the fact that they were still right.
Some years ago a literate employee of the City of Washington DC used the word niggardly in a report, I think it was budgetary or fiscal. Because the illiterate retarded African-American Councilwoman was too stupid to understand the English language, plus too lazy to reference a dictionary or thesaurus (likely far, far, far beyond her scope), she was offended. The employee might have apologized, but regardless was still correct and RIGHT, and the Libtard was WRONG. Yet, the employee lost their job and livelihood due to being literate amongst retards. Hence when FOX is RIGHT, CORRECT, ACCURATE in reporting, they still make apologies just to pacify the retards who criticize them.
Claiming that one was wrong when stating the Earth revolves around the Sun when no credible evidence supports anything but the Sun revolving around the Earth does not mean the statement was actually incorrect.

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