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Emails show development given priority over Hoboken flood relief

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Thursday, January 30, 2014 6:56 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


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Last May 8, a severe rainstorm left the streets of this city flooded once again, causing the mayor, Dawn Zimmer, to recall the inundation from Hurricane Sandy.

So she dashed off a letter to Gov. Chris Christie, imploring him to help with Hoboken’s “ongoing flooding emergency,” and attached photos of cars in water up to their hoods. She was due to meet the next day with officials of the New Jersey Department of Environmental Protection, when she hoped to talk about protecting Hoboken from the next catastrophic deluge to come.

But, according to newly obtained emails sent among the participants, the first topic of discussion on the agenda was “review of concepts for flood control measures at Rockefeller property,” a reference to a billion-dollar office complex proposed at the north end of town. The developer, the Rockefeller Group, which had long been trying to gain approval from local officials, sent two executives, two lobbyists and an engineer to the meeting.

....whatever the outcome of the inquiries, the emails and interviews make clear that the development-wary mayor was coming under increasing and repeated pressure from politically connected lawyers working for Rockefeller Group and from the Christie administration. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/30/nyregion/powerful-allies-pushed-a-pr
oject-in-new-jersey.html



About the development in question:
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The Rockefeller investment was a risky proposition from the start. There were no indications of what zoning changes the Council would allow in Hoboken, where a 14-story building is considered a high-rise, and many residents wanted to retain the relatively low-scale character of the city.

According to people who know him, Mr. Smith presumed that the company, with its resources and connections, could overcome any obstacles and get the project approved within two years.

In 2007, Rockefeller Group hired Wolff & Samson, a law firm with deep ties to New Jersey’s Republican leaders, to handle environmental issues.

Ms. Zimmer became mayor in 2009, promising more transparency in dealing with developers and better planning for the city’s future.

“It was a political sea change in Hoboken,” said Thomas W. Newman, a cabinetmaker and former councilman. “Part of the machine-style politics of the past was making deals with the developers.”

Efforts on the state level accelerated after the election of Mr. Christie as governor in late 2009. Mr. Christie, like most governors, has been eager for new developments and uses them to lure companies to New Jersey. He also is close to David Samson, a Wolff & Samson founder whom the governor would name as chairman of the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey in October 2010, a connection that Ms. Zimmer and her supporters have highlighted.

The company suggested that the mayor seek money for a planning study from the Port Authority. Bill Baroni, a former state senator and Christie appointee at the Port Authority, authorized up to $75,000 for the study.

The study dragged on for two years, delayed partly because of the hurricane. Four years after buying the Hoboken parcels, Rockefeller Group still had no certainty that it could build a large-scale project, so it asked Wolff & Samson to expand its work with the Christie administration in early 2012, two executives involved with the project say.

When the study, conducted by a planning firm based in Trenton, was finally completed in early 2013, it concluded that out of 19 north end blocks, only the three Rockefeller Group blocks qualified for redevelopment. That recommendation, if ratified by the city, would have given Rockefeller tax breaks for up to 30 years. Much more at http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/30/nyregion/powerful-allies-pushed-a-pr
oject-in-new-jersey.html



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Thursday, January 30, 2014 7:04 PM

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What of e-mails about Benghazi ? Where was Obama that night ?

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

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Thursday, January 30, 2014 10:56 PM

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Please leave.............................


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Originally posted by AURaptor:
What of e-mails about Benghazi ? Where was Obama that night ?

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall


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Friday, January 31, 2014 12:00 AM

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Please leave.............................





Askin' for answers to questions you'd rather not hear, huh?


I get that. I really do.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

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Friday, January 31, 2014 12:14 AM

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Friday, January 31, 2014 1:12 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


There's so much of this that has yet to be revealed, but one thing's sure - it is wide and deep.

Zimmer's coming forward has shed light on the seemingly slimy goings on within the governor's office. Outright cronyism, pay for play and strong arm politics are the norm in New Jersey and it's rearing it's ugly head on an almost daily basis.

On top of this development, you have the very small but significant move to fire the very firm that was to handle Sandy recovery monies. HGI was fired 7 months ago, and it is only now that we are learning about it. The governor's office chose not to divulge that fact until recently. That coupled with the fact that Christie appointee, in November 2012, Marc Ferzan, who served as part of the front office management team at the New Jersey Office of the Attorney General as Executive Assistant Attorney General. Yes, that AG's office, also appointed by the governor, decided to keep a low profile despite his post as Sandy Czar.

"Mr. Ferzan’s first task will be assembling a core team to guide this effort and the different areas of focus that require long-term strategic planning. Additionally, Mr. Ferzan will begin to immediately work with Governor Christie’s Cabinet, state personnel, federal and local governments and sources outside of government to bring together all information and resources established since Hurricane Sandy to build on and effectively execute the rebuilding efforts for the State of New Jersey."

No doubt an important position. Who is this guy? Has anyone ever heard of him? Has he made any public appearances in the course of his office's duties? Bear with me a moment, there's a reason for me mentioning this.

“I am honored to have the opportunity to return to public service under the leadership of Governor Christie. I share the strength of his commitment and advocacy for the victims of the storm..." said Ferzan. Really!?

The State Assembly, after many complaints from their constituents affected by Sandy, called for and organized a series of 4 town hall meetings to discuss just what was being done about the delays in obtaining Sandy relief monies for their people. Mr. Ferzan showed up to zero, zip, zilch, nada - not one town hall meeting to address the concerns of the people of NJ affected by Sandy. Not one.

http://www.pressofatlanticcity.com/news/breaking/sandy-recovery-czar-m
arc-ferzan-maintaining-low-profile/article_2b530f69-1edb-549a-ae63-4aa835accd81.html


"In August, Ferzan did not attend a joint legislative committee hearing at the Atlantic City Convention Center, where homeowners and other stakeholders testified about their struggle to recover in the months after Hurricane Sandy."

"In September, he missed another bipartisan legislative hearing on Sandy recovery in Jersey City."

"...Ferzan did not attend a joint hearing of the Senate and Assembly Environment and Energy Committees at the Statehouse Annex where storm victims..."

"Another hearing was held in Toms River on Oct. 21, and again Ferzan did not show up."

Not only him, but DCA Commissioner Richard Constable (yes, the one and the same in the Hoboken case). Are we starting to see a pattern here? Here's what Christie had to say about Ferzan not showing up:

"I'm the show horse. I'm the one who goes out there and talks, the lieutenant governor goes out there and talks. You don't see most of these folks, Ferzan or Constable, Michelle Brown or Bob Martin, out there a lot doing media availabilities or visits. That's my job to do."

He also stated that the meetings were politically motivated because it was an election year, and that the Assembly was looking to score points with their constituents. That takes real chutzpah. Never mind that Ferzan was hired to do just that.

The Atlantic City Press made several requests to interview Ferzan, but was denied by Christie spokesman Michael Drewniak (also caught up in the middle of the Bridegate scandal). read the article, it's very interesting.

Now, how is this connected? It shows the level of control Christie has over all aspects of his office and just how he conducts the business of running the state according to his wims. It also shows the interconnectedness of the major players within his office. How it all flows starting from the top. With revelations coming almost daily of the Christie control, his color-coded system, and the consistency of the names that show up at various levels of government. In the article he states that he's the Show Horse and no one else. Makes you think, don't it?


SGG


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Originally posted by Niki2:
Quote:

Last May 8, a severe rainstorm left the streets of this city flooded once again, causing the mayor, Dawn Zimmer, to recall the inundation from Hurricane Sandy.

So she dashed off a letter to Gov. Chris Christie, imploring him to help with Hoboken’s “ongoing flooding emergency,” and attached photos of cars in water up to their hoods. She was due to meet the next day with officials of the New Jersey Department of Environmental Protection, when she hoped to talk about protecting Hoboken from the next catastrophic deluge to come.

But, according to newly obtained emails sent among the participants, the first topic of discussion on the agenda was “review of concepts for flood control measures at Rockefeller property,” a reference to a billion-dollar office complex proposed at the north end of town. The developer, the Rockefeller Group, which had long been trying to gain approval from local officials, sent two executives, two lobbyists and an engineer to the meeting.

....whatever the outcome of the inquiries, the emails and interviews make clear that the development-wary mayor was coming under increasing and repeated pressure from politically connected lawyers working for Rockefeller Group and from the Christie administration. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/30/nyregion/powerful-allies-pushed-a-pr
oject-in-new-jersey.html



About the development in question:
Quote:

The Rockefeller investment was a risky proposition from the start. There were no indications of what zoning changes the Council would allow in Hoboken, where a 14-story building is considered a high-rise, and many residents wanted to retain the relatively low-scale character of the city.

According to people who know him, Mr. Smith presumed that the company, with its resources and connections, could overcome any obstacles and get the project approved within two years.

In 2007, Rockefeller Group hired Wolff & Samson, a law firm with deep ties to New Jersey’s Republican leaders, to handle environmental issues.

Ms. Zimmer became mayor in 2009, promising more transparency in dealing with developers and better planning for the city’s future.

“It was a political sea change in Hoboken,” said Thomas W. Newman, a cabinetmaker and former councilman. “Part of the machine-style politics of the past was making deals with the developers.”

Efforts on the state level accelerated after the election of Mr. Christie as governor in late 2009. Mr. Christie, like most governors, has been eager for new developments and uses them to lure companies to New Jersey. He also is close to David Samson, a Wolff & Samson founder whom the governor would name as chairman of the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey in October 2010, a connection that Ms. Zimmer and her supporters have highlighted.

The company suggested that the mayor seek money for a planning study from the Port Authority. Bill Baroni, a former state senator and Christie appointee at the Port Authority, authorized up to $75,000 for the study.

The study dragged on for two years, delayed partly because of the hurricane. Four years after buying the Hoboken parcels, Rockefeller Group still had no certainty that it could build a large-scale project, so it asked Wolff & Samson to expand its work with the Christie administration in early 2012, two executives involved with the project say.

When the study, conducted by a planning firm based in Trenton, was finally completed in early 2013, it concluded that out of 19 north end blocks, only the three Rockefeller Group blocks qualified for redevelopment. That recommendation, if ratified by the city, would have given Rockefeller tax breaks for up to 30 years. Much more at http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/30/nyregion/powerful-allies-pushed-a-pr
oject-in-new-jersey.html




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Friday, January 31, 2014 8:17 AM

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Quote:

There's so much of this that has yet to be revealed, but one thing's sure - it is wide and deep.


About Benghazi. Yep. I agree.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Friday, January 31, 2014 9:39 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Yeah, Shiny; more and more keeps dribbling out. Will be interesting to see if anything comes of it, especially with Christie's cronies doing the "investigating".

Shiny, Kiki, remember:
Quote:

He may not change, but the conversation can - if we decide to do it.

Right now all we've done is segue from every thread becoming about him - to every thread becoming a series of pics and comments about how we're not gong to let it be about him.

Just actually ignore the little shit. He can keep spewing - but we don't have to let him dominate EVERY GODDAMNED conversation.

Maybe we need some sort of designation. The first person to acknowledge any of that shit is the "sucker of the day" or something.


Just sayin'.


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Friday, January 31, 2014 9:42 AM

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America loves a winner!




Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Friday, January 31, 2014 1:03 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Oops:
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Hoboken Site Developer Dismisses Law Firm Tied to Christie

Rockefeller Group, a real estate developer whose proposed office complex in Hoboken, N.J., is at the center of allegations that associates of Gov. Chris Christie threatened to withhold Hurricane Sandy relief money from the city unless the project received approval, has severed its connections with a law firm with close ties to the governor.

Rockefeller Group said on Thursday that last week it had terminated its contract with the firm, Wolff & Samson, ending a relationship that began in 2007.

“Given the investigation,” Dwayne Doherty, a spokesman for Rockefeller Group, said, “we’ve decided to shift our work on the project to another firm.”

Wolff & Samson was founded by David Samson, whom Mr. Christie named as chairman of the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey in 2010. A former member of Mr. Christie’s cabinet, Lori Grifa, who now works at the law firm, lobbied state officials on behalf of the project.

Rockefeller Group said the allegations were “deplorable” if true. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/31/nyregion/hoboken-site-developer-dism
isses-law-firm.html?_r=0





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