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"Carmageddon", L.A. Style

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Friday, July 8, 2011 1:09 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Hysterical. Sorry, but as a No. Californian, with only one major freeway running through our entire county, and having driven in L.A., I can't help but giggle:
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To hear Angelenos talk about the news, you'd think we were bracing for the Big One. Or maybe preparing for something worse than the dire stretch of earthquakes, floods, fires and riots that hit us in the 1990s. Celebrities in Los Angeles are tweeting about the calamity; hospitals are up in arms about it; local news channels are calling it "Carmageddon." What could cause so much panic? If you live in L.A. and you don't know what I'm referring to, the next sentence may lead to more stress in your life. It's the 53-hour-long shutdown of part of the 405 freeway from the evening of July 15 through July 17.

A road closure? On a weekend? All this distress over that? Well, it's not just any road. It's the 10-mile (16 km) stretch of concrete that connects the west side to the San Fernando Valley. It usually carries half a million people on the weekend, making it one of the busiest sections of one of the most dreaded roadways in L.A., home to the U.S.'s worst traffic.

The anxiety this is causing around Los Angeles is a reflection of the intimate, love-hate relationship we have with our freeways. People love their cars in this spread-out metropolis. Public transportation, carpooling and walking are often shunned, which makes the freeways a central part of Angelenos' lives. Ginger Chan, a traffic reporter for the local television station KTLA, says she even flirted with someone in bumper-to-bumper traffic once. "I have had that happen to me, where some guy is trying to get my attention and we're both smiling at each other," she says.

At times, to hear us talk about the freeways, you'd think they were our most prized possession. A friend who recently moved to L.A. from the East Coast noted that if he's at a loss for words at a party, he can always strike up a conversation about traffic. If you want to do this and you're from out of town, some important points. First, they're "freeways," not "highways" or "toll roads," as they are in other parts of the country. Second, L.A. lingo dictates that a freeway must be referred to with the article the preceding it. You don't take "10 West" or "Interstate 10"; you take "the 10." Another friend from the East thinks the implication with this is that L.A.'s freeway is the only one, or at least the most important one; as if "the 10" that goes through L.A. is more special than the rest of Interstate 10 that stretches across the country.

Our traffic lingo doesn't stop there. We also have the SigAlert. According to the California Department of Transportation, or Caltrans, the term came about in the 1940s when police became accustomed to notifying local radio reporter Loyd Sigmon about car accidents in the city. Caltrans adopted the term to mean a wreck that ties up two or more lanes of a freeway. Today the term is so common, you can go to sigalert.com to check the status of the freeways.

That brings me to the hate part of the relationship. We know traffic is inevitable, but we abhor it anyway — and can't stop complaining about it. An Angeleno trapped on a freeway by a SigAlert is likely to compare his fate to a human-rights violation. Check out sigalert.com on a given Friday afternoon: you'll see a lot of red lines. Those freeways are jammed. We pray for some yellow. Green would be an absolute miracle. Chan at KTLA likens the freeways to Murphy's Law, the adage that if anything can go wrong, it will. They're "the only way to get to certain places, so they're always jammed," says Chan, whose husband pilots the station's traffic helicopter. "I rarely get stuck, because I can't stand it. It's like pouring acid on me. I always say, I will drive in bad neighborhoods, I will cut you off, but I will not get stuck in traffic."

more at: http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,2081752,00.html#ixzz1RY
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Maybe this will help some in other states understand a bit better about traffic in CA and why there's no decent public transportation. In L.A., last time I went through anyway, everyone drives 85 mph, BUMPER-TO-BUMPER! Or else they go nowhere, bumper-to-bumper. Choey tells me it's the same way in Chicago. Used to scare the bejezus out of me, until I learned that when going to San Diego, I should plan my trips to pass through L.A. at 3am or so...only "half" as much traffic, tho' even then it's (as a friend who visited said) "like driving in a pinball machine!"

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Friday, July 8, 2011 2:13 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Jeezus. I've been to LA three different times, and the 405 was a parking lot every single time. It's bad when things are GOOD - it's barely moving at 3 in the morning! Can you imagine what it's going to be like while the construction is going on?

I don't envy anyone in SoCal right now. (And I generally LIKE SoCal, but like NoCal a fair bit better.)

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Friday, July 8, 2011 2:28 PM

RIONAEIRE

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That was a funny article, how it described the way to talk about traffic down there.

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Friday, July 8, 2011 3:05 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Y'know, it's not really THAT much worse than Austin traffic, really. I can go months on end without ever getting on I-35 here in Austin, and I'm happier if it stays that way. I have my area of town, and I tend to be kind of "tribal" about it, and stay pretty close to my area. I'll venture north of the river occasionally, but only maybe once every couple months.

I've worked where I had to commute across town, and frankly I'd find a different job if that were the case now. It's a deal-killer. There is so much quality of life lost by being stuck in traffic for hours per day.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Friday, July 8, 2011 4:10 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



I missed the part where it's my problem.

Y'all have fraked your state up, all by yourselves.

Now deal w/ it.




" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Friday, July 8, 2011 4:45 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by AURaptor:

I missed the part where it's my problem.

Y'all have fraked your state up, all by yourselves.

Now deal w/ it.




That's what I said when tornadoes hit Tuscaloosa. Why is it MY problem? Why should MY tax money go to help people who made poor life choices? If they're stupid enough to live there - and let's face it, they are - then why should I bail them out?

Similarly, why is whether or not Iraq has WMD *MY* problem?

If Iran gets nukes, why should I care? They're absolutely no threat to me, and Israel has fracked itself up all by themselves, so if they get nuked, that's their problem, right?

Wow, you really CAN solve all the world's problems just by being a selfish bint! Well... you can solve YOUR problems, at least. Who gives a fuck about anyone else, right?

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Friday, July 8, 2011 4:51 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



No one chooses to get hit w/ tornadoes.

No one chooses to have a mad man slaughter your entire village w/ WMD.

Your reply was inane, and completely misses the point.

As usual.


Go away.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Friday, July 8, 2011 4:57 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by AURaptor:

No one chooses to get hit w/ tornadoes.

No one chooses to have a mad man slaughter your entire village w/ WMD.



Sure they do, inasmuch as people "choose" to have horrible traffic congestion. They might not INTEND to choose these things, but they live in areas where such things occur, and they knew the odds before they made their choice to live there. Ergo, they chose poorly. Remember, this is the CONSERVATIVE position on these things, espoused by you and others: If shitty things happen to you, tough shit - make better choices in your next life!

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Your reply was inane, and completely misses the point.

As usual.



Says the dolt whose oh-so-relevant reply was "not my problem". Talk about inane.

Why didn't you say something as stupid as "sure looks shiny..."?

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Go away.



Hey, you were supposed to stop responding to me. Another thing you lied about, eh? ;)


"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Friday, July 8, 2011 5:43 PM

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT


I ruttin' LIVE HERE, and it ain't MY problem- I drove the 405 the other day for the first time in YEARS- from Long Beach to Torrance, 70 mph all the way, thru the 710, 91 and 110 interchanges, in mid morning. No problems!

Now, I wouldn't drive it from 7:00 AM to about 9:00, or about 4:30 pm to about 6:30, nor anywhere closer to LAX anytime, nor any freeway to downtown LA, nor I-5 ANYWHERE, but if you avoid those major constant headaches, and allow time, they do work.

Anybody who expects them to work at 65 mph during rush hour is gonna get bit, sooner than later, because it only takes one mistake by any of the many fools driving those roads to screw up a lot of peoples' day for quite a spell. Can't leave your house 30 miles away from your job 30 minutes before you'll be late during rush hour with a million other clowns and expect to make it on time, which is what far too many people do.

I've gotten around for years, and am rarely late, whether I drive or take the admittedly bad public transportation.

And surprisingly, public transportation may not be fast nor convenient, but it is fairly cheap, and you can get around on it.

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Saturday, July 9, 2011 12:17 AM

FREMDFIRMA



It's just too easy.. I can't resist.



Meh heh heh.
I love that game.

And yeah, public transportation infrastructure sucks ass anywhere in the US, some places worse than others, some MUCH worse.

-F

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Saturday, July 9, 2011 1:41 AM

HARDWARE


Sorry Kwicko, you're wrong. The people who are going to be impacted by this have known about the situation for years, if not decades. They could have gotten active and pressured their elected criminals for highway construction projects long ago, but they didn't. Nobody in Tuscaloosa could have pressured their elected for less tornadoes.

Come up with a better argument.

They've done it to themselves. Either through apathy or indifference. Time to pay the piper. Arguing that this is the equivalent of a natural disaster is just stupid.

It is a truism that almost any sect, cult, or religion will legislate its creed into law if it acquires the political power to do so, and will follow it by suppressing opposition, subverting all education to seize early the minds of the young, and by killing, locking up, or driving underground all heretics - RAH

...and he that has no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. Luke 22:36

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Saturday, July 9, 2011 2:15 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by Hardware:
Sorry Kwicko, you're wrong. The people who are going to be impacted by this have known about the situation for years, if not decades. They could have gotten active and pressured their elected criminals for highway construction projects long ago, but they didn't. Nobody in Tuscaloosa could have pressured their elected for less tornadoes.




They could have pressured their elected criminals for better building standards in Tuscaloosa, couldn't they? Argued for more storm preparedness, tornado shelters, etc.? They've known for generations that they are in a tornado-prone area. They've done it to themselves, through apathy and indifference.


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Sunday, July 10, 2011 6:23 AM

HARDWARE


Except for the glaring fact that a modestly built building will shelter you from normal weather for decades. It is only when there is severe weather in excess of its tolerance that you notice the problem.

People affected by the long overdue road construction have been noticing the effects of "severe weather" for decades.

It is a truism that almost any sect, cult, or religion will legislate its creed into law if it acquires the political power to do so, and will follow it by suppressing opposition, subverting all education to seize early the minds of the young, and by killing, locking up, or driving underground all heretics - RAH

...and he that has no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. Luke 22:36

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Sunday, July 10, 2011 11:56 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


I'd wager that people have been noticing the effects of severe weather for rather longer than Los Angeles has even existed, much less had traffic. ;)

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Monday, July 11, 2011 5:22 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


California and the West were populated when the auto was just being born. There were people here before, but by the time the real influx came, the auto was the main form of transportation. There was little effort put into mass transit as a result; we had lots of space and not yet that many people, so it was fine.

Apathy when it comes to building mass transit, yes, because part of the mentality is that people REALLY take their cars personally and are used to being able to use them wherever they want to go and, again, little viable real mass transit. There's some now, both in L.A. and here, but here anyway, buses and rail aren't that safe, and for us, the ferry is expensive. So people take their cars. They've put in "commuter lanes"--at first it was three people in one car who could use them; they had to make it TWO people in one car because they weren't being used much.

As they build further and further East, mass transit has become more popular; some people ride a couple of HOURS each way to work in the City. But more people own more cars per household now, and that's increasing. We had a 24% increase in households in the Bay Area from 1990 to 2010, while the increase in vehicles per household was 43% in the same time period.

Building bigger freeways isn't the answer. We already have EIGHT-LANE freeways in places (not up here). Up here, we had some jams now and again, and eventually they put in another lane. Now it's lovely; few traffic jams in Marin anyway, but it's the third time they've added lanes, and eventually the freeway will fill up again. People have, and do, demand larger freeways, but that's not the answer.

It requires a change in mentality to really improve the situation, which hasn't happened yet. I might note that Choey says it's the same in Chicago, if not worse, so it's not just us, there are other high-population places with the same problem.


Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
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Monday, July 11, 2011 5:41 AM

HARDWARE


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Originally posted by Kwicko:
I'd wager that people have been noticing the effects of severe weather for rather longer than Los Angeles has even existed, much less had traffic. ;)





Not the point we're arguing.

It is a truism that almost any sect, cult, or religion will legislate its creed into law if it acquires the political power to do so, and will follow it by suppressing opposition, subverting all education to seize early the minds of the young, and by killing, locking up, or driving underground all heretics - RAH

...and he that has no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. Luke 22:36

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Monday, July 11, 2011 5:44 AM

HARDWARE


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Originally posted by Niki2:
California and the West were populated when the auto was just being born. There were people here before, but by the time the real influx came, the auto was the main form of transportation. There was little effort put into mass transit as a result; we had lots of space and not yet that many people, so it was fine.

Apathy when it comes to building mass transit, yes, because part of the mentality is that people REALLY take their cars personally and are used to being able to use them wherever they want to go and, again, little viable real mass transit. There's some now, both in L.A. and here, but here anyway, buses and rail aren't that safe, and for us, the ferry is expensive. So people take their cars. They've put in "commuter lanes"--at first it was three people in one car who could use them; they had to make it TWO people in one car because they weren't being used much.

As they build further and further East, mass transit has become more popular; some people ride a couple of HOURS each way to work in the City. But more people own more cars per household now, and that's increasing. We had a 24% increase in households in the Bay Area from 1990 to 2010, while the increase in vehicles per household was 43% in the same time period.

Building bigger freeways isn't the answer. We already have EIGHT-LANE freeways in places (not up here). Up here, we had some jams now and again, and eventually they put in another lane. Now it's lovely; few traffic jams in Marin anyway, but it's the third time they've added lanes, and eventually the freeway will fill up again. People have, and do, demand larger freeways, but that's not the answer.

It requires a change in mentality to really improve the situation, which hasn't happened yet. I might note that Choey says it's the same in Chicago, if not worse, so it's not just us, there are other high-population places with the same problem.




Ah yes, all those '49er's driving their model 0 Fords across the plains to, ah... Oh yeah, that never happened.

But yes, whatever solution you want to adopt, mass transit, light rail, bike lanes, all of it is driven by the voters. Politicians will always take the easy way out.

It's up to the voters to hold their feet to the fire and make 'em squeal.

It is a truism that almost any sect, cult, or religion will legislate its creed into law if it acquires the political power to do so, and will follow it by suppressing opposition, subverting all education to seize early the minds of the young, and by killing, locking up, or driving underground all heretics - RAH

...and he that has no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. Luke 22:36

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Monday, July 11, 2011 1:19 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by Hardware:
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Originally posted by Niki2:
California and the West were populated when the auto was just being born. There were people here before, but by the time the real influx came, the auto was the main form of transportation.




Ah yes, all those '49er's driving their model 0 Fords across the plains to, ah... Oh yeah, that never happened.




You're not burdened with an overabundance of schooling, are ya? Reading comprehension seems to have gone right past you.

If you ever said "Support the Troops!", you are a socialist. You've taken money from me, by force and at gunpoint, and you've given it to people who are on a mission I don't support, and are murdering others in my name, and I am given no choice in the matter.

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Monday, July 11, 2011 2:36 PM

FREMDFIRMA


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Originally posted by Hardware:
It's up to the voters to hold their feet to the fire and make 'em squeal.


Uh huh, and HOW do you propose we DO that ?
The voters wanted us out of the quagmire over in the sandbox, voted for folks who promised to end it, only to have them break their word...

If the bastards can ignore us, not suffer any consequences for doing so, and voting them out requires voting someone else in who has already sold out cause the system itself is a rigged game, how exactly DO you propose to hold them accountable, then ?

I'm not just being a jackass about this, I am very well aware of just how effectively one can put the arm on LOCAL politicians, but without a NATIONAL infrastructure you wind up with a whole bunch of incompatible, disconnected projects and needless duplication of effort, not to mention the obligatory porkbarrel chicanery and corruption - they don't call the Baltimore Light Rail the "Loot Rail" for nothin, yanno.

So unless you got an answer to specifically HOW to enforce the peoples will when Congress has proven they can ignore it at whim (See Also: Victor L Berger) then simple platitudes mean nothing, alas.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Friday, July 15, 2011 12:45 PM

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT


Man under the influence of the LA local TV news--

OMG, OMG OMG ! ! !

It's 3:30 PM on Friday the 15th, and it's happening in less than 4 hours! The beginning of the end-- of civilization , if not the entire world. Starts happening at 7:00 PM tonight.

Is it too late to run out and buy an AK-47 and some land mines? Or some grenades? "Sure would be handy to have some grenades about now."

Or at least something to trade with the barbarian hordes that will overrun us any second? Or maybe survival food, in case food can't get in from the wilderness north of downtown LA?

If I'm never heard from again, just remember that I fought against the incoming Reavers until I only had 1 bullet left, for myself, and the super secret buried treasure is hidden in th---

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Friday, July 15, 2011 12:55 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Buck up, NOBC - just stick to your local area and you'll be fine!

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Saturday, July 16, 2011 6:36 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


The problem is you have to convince people to WANT alternative forms of transportation first, and that's not yet happened in L.A. And the history is very real, whether you like it or not. Despite your snarks; the auto came into popularity in the 1920s, and that's when So. Ca. really took off:
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Detroit may be the Motor City, but with more than 26 million registered vehicles, Los Angeles is the undisputed car capital of the country.

Since the 1920s, Angelenos have eschewed public transportation in favor of private automobiles, the quintessential symbol of freedom and independence.

“Los Angeles practically invented the Space Age, and while it did not invent automobiles, it was the first global metropolis to fully adopt the automobile as a way of life,” said USC College history and political science professor Phil Ethington.

The gridlock of vehicles that greets today’s drivers is not dissimilar to that experienced by postwar Angelenos. The prosperity of the 1940s and ’50s allowed many L.A. residents to buy the latest in automotive design, including the Chrysler Windsor, the Ford Mystre and the Chevrolet Corvette.

Many of these cars were commonly witnessed cruising on the streets of Los Angeles. In fact, “cruising” in hot rods and low-riders became so popular that numerous municipalities across the Southland — citing concerns about juvenile delinquency and traffic congestion — outlawed the pastime that was documented in filmmaker George Lucas’ American Graffiti.

http://uscnews.usc.edu/arts/las_love_affair_with_steel_and_chrome_1.ht
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Meanwhile, Carmaggedon rolls on. The 405 is THE most traveled highway in America as well as the most congested highway in the country, so it's no small deal (even if LA weren't so wedded to their cars!):
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Although the real test of midday traffic was a few hours away, Los Angeles commuters Saturday were either avoiding or successfully navigating roads near a closed stretch of Interstate 405, traffic maps indicated.

But the quiet conditions allowed Metro officials to cancel several late-night trains that were specially added for the weekend, CNN affiliate KTLA reported.

The closure of the 405 is being deemed such a potentially calamitous event that locals are calling it the "Carmaggedon."

That's because southern California is notorious for its love affair with the automobile and its reluctance to embrace public transportation. One of the busiest freeways in the country, the 405 is one of two mountain passes in the heart of Los Angeles and is the major coastal artery connecting southern California with the rest of the state.

"We are the car capital of the United States of America and the single-passenger car capital," Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa told CNN.

Los Angeles International Airport is urging travelers to get there by public transit, especially rail, or to stay at nearby hotels for early morning flights.

The Los Angeles Fire Department is adding 200 firefighters so it can quickly respond to 911 calls in the areas affected by the closure, CNN L.A. affiliate KABC reported.

Villaraigosa said officials carried out "an unprecedented" public awareness campaign urging motorists to stay off the road or use public transportation.

"It doesn't have to be 'Carmageddon.' That's why we have done so much outreach to the public," the mayor said.

Whether it has been overdramatized by locals in the nation's entertainment capital, the project has brought countdown clocks, traffic apps, detour maps and warnings to stay away or enjoy the weekend on the couch. Amtrak and JetBlue are offering specials to get away from it all.

"Severe traffic conditions are anticipated in local and regional areas during the weekend of the full freeway closure," Metro warned on its website.

The four-mile southbound section is closed between U.S. 101 and Getty Center Drive ramps. The 10-mile northbound section is closed between U.S. 101 and Interstate 10.

There is an app, or several, for "Carmageddon."

KABC has partnered with Waze to help navigate the traffic. "The app provides free turn-by-turn GPS navigation based on the live conditions of the road," the station said.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/07/16/california.carmageddon.freeway/index.
html?iref=allsearch


We shall see. But it's big news in LaLaLand, and has been for a while now. All you have to do is Google "carmageddon" to see all the news stories. It may affect millions, it may not be as big a deal as they're making out, but people take it seriously
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Will the closure of the Interstate 405 in Los Angeles hurt small businesses?

The forecasts of gridlock have been alarming, but as a 10-mile stretch of the 405 closes for 53 hours this weekend, businesses say there is a lot more than a traffic jam at stake.

"They are making it out to be a nuclear event," hairdresser Jon Condon said.

He said city officials have frightened drivers with dire predictions of 50-mile traffic jams. He is closing his Brentwood Village shop this weekend and believes Los Angeles residents will be hunkered down in their homes.

"It's just too much," he said, "too much of a hassle getting here."

Across town, Adrineh Khechadorian is already lamenting lost business. She operates a party rental service with lots of customers in the west side of Los Angeles, the area most affected by the planned 405 closure.

"We've had two major parties canceled this week," Khechadorian told CNN. The hosts, she said, believed their guests would not be willing to brave the traffic

http://www.cnn.com/2011/TRAVEL/07/15/california.carmageddon.businesses
/index.html?iref=allsearch
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Covering "Carmageddon" is driving some local television and radio stations a bit crazy.

One news director bluntly told the traffic reporter not to expect much sleep for the next two days. A news crew from another station will be living in a recreational vehicle near the 405 freeway. Still another station is avoiding using the "C" word in its coverage, hoping that the dire predictions for gridlock will not materialize.

Although varied in their approaches, local news stations uniformly are increasing staff, planning live cut-ins and using real-time driving reports and social networking to keep viewers abreast of the impact of the weekend closure. Much of the coverage launched Friday with live footage of the shutdown of the freeway ramps and is expected to continue until Monday morning when the critical roadway artery is slated to reopen.

"We take what's going to happen very seriously," said KABC President and General Manager Arnie Kleiner. "We're going into this expecting the worst, then we'll adjust, hoping for the best."

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/nation-world/la-et-carmageddon-local-
news-20110717,0,1063624.story?track=rss


Several couples are worried about their wedding guests: http://video.tvguide.com/NBC+Nightly+News+with+Brian+Williams/A+Carmag
eddon+Wedding/10462570?autoplay=true


or even getting to the church:



Out here, we've long laughed about how So. Ca. is so enamored of it's individual vehicles. Many view them as an extension of themselves (as do others around the country). It's one of the five top cities in America for road rage (the others being Miami, Phoenix, New York, and Boston). You have to change the MENTALITY to get them to demand changes, and it ain't happening thus far.

"Carmageddon" started last night; will be interesting to see what develops (or doesn't). At least they're only closing it for the weekend; imagine if they did it during business hours! (Imagine what Los Angelinos would/will do in a major earthquake damaging freeways like they did up here in the Loma Prieta 'quake!)

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Sunday, July 17, 2011 2:17 PM

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT


Biggest false alarm since the Y2K fiasco. They finished sometime Sunday, not even Sunday night.

Memo to self: don't listen to local media, all they wanted to do was stir up panic. They were HOPING the worst would happen-- it woulda been good for their ratings and woulda got them all Emmys.

20/20 Hindsight suggests that this was a local traffic issue: the only folks absolutely affected were folks from the West side of the San Fernando Valley who commute to downtown L.A. Everybody else, there were plenty of alternate routes, most not a lot longer or slower. And for us in Long Beach, 40 miles away, not even noticeable change, even though the 405 is a major road thru here.


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Sunday, July 17, 2011 2:49 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


I dunno, NOBC - that it wasn't worse is at least partially attributable to the fact that there WAS so much publicity and advance warning of it, so that people WERE staying away, staying home, or staying local.

It's somewhat akin to Y2K - we know only how bad it WASN'T, but we have no idea how bad it MIGHT HAVE BEEN if we'd done nothing at all.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Sunday, July 17, 2011 6:25 PM

DREAMTROVE


Trains.


That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

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Sunday, July 17, 2011 6:32 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Trains.




Wouldn't that be something?


Hell, even if they were RO-RO trains (Roll-on/roll-off), where you drove your car onto the train car and then got a train ride across town, so you still had your beloved car with you at all times... It works for ferries in Seattle and other places...

Subways never struck me as a particularly good idea for LA, but they seem to be working, at least where they're available.


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Sunday, July 17, 2011 7:24 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht


I heard about it on national news, and a friend who is police in LA wrote to say they were gearing up for it. I think its funny that everyone took it so seriously, probably because someone gave it a catchy title, catchy titles work wonders for attention grabbing.

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Monday, July 18, 2011 7:22 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Mike is absolutely right:
Quote:

that it wasn't worse is at least partially attributable to the fact that there WAS so much publicity and advance warning of it, so that people WERE staying away, staying home, or staying local.
It's not about hype, it's that the hype WORKED. Check it out if you want; people are quite open about the fact that they stayed home or went other places to avoid the potential "disaster". If there hadn't been so much hype, it WOULD have been a real mess.

Like Mike says, we joke about disasters that don't materialize, but don't think about the things that helped them NOT appear. I'm tickled it wasn't a disaster, and I credit media and police for it not being one.


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Monday, July 18, 2011 7:24 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Oh, gawd, DT: TRAINS!!! How I WISH! California having been "brought up" on personal cars, we never got 'em. On our trips to Europe, we rode trains exclusively; my husband, his brother and I all fell madly in love with them (especially hubby!) and wish to hell we could clone them here!!

Definitely trains. Lots of trains!! Hopefully, someday, as necessity begins to dictate...


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Friday, July 22, 2011 4:37 PM

JAMERON4EVA


*SIGH* Ya know, i really wanna see this "carmaggedon" *cugh cough, bs pos, cough cough* beat S.R.50 during a Shuttle landing/launch. Alas we wont see it now.

"Mom, he has her chip. He has her."
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"We mustn't over stimulate young minds. Das ist verboten!" - Rappy

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