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Wednesday, January 7, 2009 2:18 AM

RIVERLOVE


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Originally posted by Riverlove:
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... In much the same way that the Mafia or gangster lifestyle is romanticized in popular culture. The difference is that most people realize that these are fictional archetypes. Dreamtrove doesn’t. That’s why he’s unable to see Hamas as having any culpability for actions. In his mind, Hamas is a noble band of freedom fighters.


What's NOT noble about :
Strapping suicide bombs on children?
Strapping suicide bombs on mentally ill?
Hiding weapons inside mosques?
Hiding behind women & children during firefights?
Launching 3,000 missiles into civilian areas?

Those are all very noble things right?

What’s noble about murder? What’s noble about rape? What’s noble about selling drugs to minors? Yet, still Innercity gangs are romanticized and glamorized by American popular culture. This is all too common mindset. It’s a naïve one, but it exists.


Why? Do you idolize gangs? I doubt it. So who does? The MTV crowd? Kids today are just too stupid to see thru the sham of it all. Bunch of "gangstas" talking like they're tough street badddasses, but then they go home to their mansions & swimming pools. It's all about making money, feeding off the rebellious nature of youth. Unfortunately, with 70% single mothers in the African-American community & 55% divorce rate for the rest, it leaves a lot of kids totally un-supervised, and they get sucked in to all this environment of filth and fantasy.

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Wednesday, January 7, 2009 2:27 AM

PIRATECAT


Right on Riverlove. Does anybody care about the innocent Indians or just the poor palestians. I guess when its nonmuslim victims its not a liberal concern. Che is their hero a mass murderer. Sic traitors.


"Battle of Serenity, Mal. Besides Zoe here, how many-" "I'm talkin at you! How many men in your platoon came out of their alive".

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Wednesday, January 7, 2009 2:37 AM

RIVERLOVE


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Originally posted by PirateCat:
Right on Riverlove. Does anybody care about the innocent Indians or just the poor palestians. I guess when its nonmuslim victims its not a liberal concern. Che is their hero a mass murderer. Sic traitors.


"Battle of Serenity, Mal. Besides Zoe here, how many-" "I'm talkin at you! How many men in your platoon came out of their alive".


PC...Liberals are mostly naive and mis-guided children. Utterly clueless in a hostile world, or ideologically suicidal, take your pick. I've said before that Liberals are more dangerous to me than Al Qaida. But with Obama & Panetta now in charge of keeping all of us safe, I'm swinging back to Al Qaida. Like Carter and Clinton, Obama & Panetta will gut the agency again. Panetta will be firewall between the CIA & The White House, and morale at the CIA will suffer. CIA needs an experienced war-time leader, not some competant administrator with no intelligence experience. Many ex-CIA guys are predicting the gutting of the CIA, and are also predicitng terror attacks this year in the US. If we do get a major hit from Al Qaida, it will fall squarely on he shoulders of Obama. If Panetta's going to use The Army Field Manual as his template for prisoner handling, which was written for privates, not officers or civilians, then we'll never get an ounce of intelligence again. No more aggressive interrogationss, no more overseas phone tapping, bye-bye-Patriot Act, etc. I wonder even after we're attacked, and thousands, or tens of thousand of Americans are dead, how long it will take the first Liberal to come out from hiding under his cherished Obama campaign sign to blame America for it.

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Wednesday, January 7, 2009 3:34 AM

PIRATECAT


Riverlove, I've traveled the world life is very cheap outside of the milk and honey land. I know how good it is here. America has to show up because just look at Europe for the past 200 years. Ok I know Israel is a powerful lobbyist in DC. A couple of weeks ago I'm in a bar in Vegas yakken about a bet that ran in November on the Superbowl last year. This dude was really sharp, my age, he explains why the house had that bet on the board and how they new the pats or colts wouldn't win after a few beers he tells me he is a counter intelligence agent for the company. So of course I dump on him. I was drunk but fun to talk too. He says that poitical correctness is killing this country. And he had told that there putting the wrong people in critical positions. As a field agent the people in command position are just inept. Now with Obama putting this dude as head CIA show that cat was right on. Obama won but it looks like another Clinton administration. Man I am sick of Bush and Clinton. We are going into hard times. Ain't looken good.

"Battle of Serenity, Mal. Besides Zoe here, how many-" "I'm talkin at you! How many men in your platoon came out of their alive".

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Wednesday, January 7, 2009 3:52 AM

RIVERLOVE


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Originally posted by PirateCat:
Riverlove, I've traveled the world life is very cheap outside of the milk and honey land. I know how good it is here. America has to show up because just look at Europe for the past 200 years. Ok I know Israel is a powerful lobbyist in DC. A couple of weeks ago I'm in a bar in Vegas yakken about a bet that ran in November on the Superbowl last year. This dude was really sharp, my age, he explains why the house had that bet on the board and how they new the pats or colts wouldn't win after a few beers he tells me he is a counter intelligence agent for the company. So of course I dump on him. I was drunk but fun to talk too. He says that poitical correctness is killing this country. And he had told that there putting the wrong people in critical positions. As a field agent the people in command position are just inept. Now with Obama putting this dude as head CIA show that cat was right on. Obama won but it looks like another Clinton administration. Man I am sick of Bush and Clinton. We are going into hard times. Ain't looken good.

"Battle of Serenity, Mal. Besides Zoe here, how many-" "I'm talkin at you! How many men in your platoon came out of their alive".


Yes hard times lay ahead, so that's why Obama's plans make no sense to me. If we are facing a trillion dollar debt now, how will spending another trillion dollars help? To me and most economic "experts" it just looks like he's going to immediately double our debt. Also, he is carrying our his promised socialistic REDISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH. People who PAY ZERO Federal Income Tax are now going to get a Govt. check in the mail. If that's not welfare, what is? The country's going down the shitter for sure. I just hope I have enough cash socked away that I can ride it out, and still hopefully have a normal retirement someday. If it wasn't for all the amusing and entertaining Democratic scandals and sideshows like the events yesterday in the Senate, I might just be depressed at the gloomy bigger picture.

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Wednesday, January 7, 2009 4:20 AM

PIRATECAT


Riverlove your just an industrial slave now put the mule pack on and get up to the mine. Retirement better be happy with just a job. If you got good health losing your 401k and most of us have is sad but not the end all. I went through some health issues which took me 2 years to bounce back. My good buddy went on social security he has the C real bad. So this it you are living in the now. But said I don't want the country turning into a ghetto. I mean look at England they gave up all their power to the goverment during WW2.They never got it back. The old folks who are gone now before the war ran their own lives. Now look at it the state does everything. The cities are just big ghettos. Crime is way out of hand. America has pockets of trouble all liberal run city goverments like L.A. Our parents and grandparents went through alot more. Remember they had Nazis to deal with.
Well I gotta leave get some sleep for my 12 hour shift. The mule has a long drive too.

"Battle of Serenity, Mal. Besides Zoe here, how many-" "I'm talkin at you! How many men in your platoon came out of their alive".

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Wednesday, January 7, 2009 5:13 AM

CANTTAKESKY


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I say we let them fight it out their way, but without OUR money.



Amen.

In addition to that, stop all foreign aid so that other governments don't give them aid with OUR money.

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Wednesday, January 7, 2009 6:39 AM

DREAMTROVE


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Riverlove

PC...Liberals are mostly naive and mis-guided children. Utterly clueless in a hostile world, or ideologically suicidal, take your pick. I've said before that Liberals are more dangerous to me than Al Qaida.



True words were rarely spoke.

Except maybe these:

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PirateCat

Man I am sick of Bush and Clinton



I think that Obama is trying to make some republican friends so he doesn't have to rely on clintonistas, but he's probably screwed.

al qaeda couldn't hit themselves if they tried

political correctness is poisonous unithought to create a suicidal society. The goal is to weed out the smart and independent, enslave the dependent, and preserve stupidity.


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Wednesday, January 7, 2009 11:47 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


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Right on Riverlove. Does anybody care about the innocent Indians or just the poor palestians. I guess when its nonmuslim victims its not a liberal concern. Che is their hero a mass murderer. Sic traitors.


PC...Liberals are mostly naive and mis-guided children. Utterly clueless in a hostile world, or ideologically suicidal, take your pick. I've said before that Liberals are more dangerous to me than Al Qaida. But with Obama & Panetta now in charge of keeping all of us safe, I'm swinging back to Al Qaida. Like Carter and Clinton, Obama & Panetta will gut the agency again. Panetta will be firewall between the CIA & The White House, and morale at the CIA will suffer. CIA needs an experienced war-time leader, not some competant administrator with no intelligence experience. Many ex-CIA guys are predicting the gutting of the CIA, and are also predicitng terror attacks this year in the US. If we do get a major hit from Al Qaida, it will fall squarely on he shoulders of Obama. If Panetta's going to use The Army Field Manual as his template for prisoner handling, which was written for privates, not officers or civilians, then we'll never get an ounce of intelligence again. No more aggressive interrogationss, no more overseas phone tapping, bye-bye-Patriot Act, etc. I wonder even after we're attacked, and thousands, or tens of thousand of Americans are dead, how long it will take the first Liberal to come out from hiding under his cherished Obama campaign sign to blame America for it.



Of course you are correct, but try to keep in mind the silver lining in this cloud. When attacks are made and large bodycounts occur, they will be in "population centers" aka cities. Guess which political loonies are centralized in cities? The Liberals, of course!! The vast majority of voting wards in the country are conservative, only outweighed by the city populations. Think of this historical turnaround: For centuries the guardians of freedom have given the ultimate sacrifice, the more conservative type have perished, becoming The Silent Majority - their genetic lines terminated, all to protect the liberals and other cowards, who multiply and dilute the ritheous voting pool. Now, the liberals will have their constituents perishing, ridding us of their evil and/or cluelessness, all for the sake of Liberalism and increasing the Federal debt. I'm thinking that's peotic justice, but maybe some might think it irony.

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Thursday, January 8, 2009 12:42 AM

AGENTROUKA


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Originally posted by jewelstaitefan:
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Originally posted by Riverlove:
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Originally posted by PirateCat:
Right on Riverlove. Does anybody care about the innocent Indians or just the poor palestians. I guess when its nonmuslim victims its not a liberal concern. Che is their hero a mass murderer. Sic traitors.


PC...Liberals are mostly naive and mis-guided children. Utterly clueless in a hostile world, or ideologically suicidal, take your pick. I've said before that Liberals are more dangerous to me than Al Qaida. But with Obama & Panetta now in charge of keeping all of us safe, I'm swinging back to Al Qaida. Like Carter and Clinton, Obama & Panetta will gut the agency again. Panetta will be firewall between the CIA & The White House, and morale at the CIA will suffer. CIA needs an experienced war-time leader, not some competant administrator with no intelligence experience. Many ex-CIA guys are predicting the gutting of the CIA, and are also predicitng terror attacks this year in the US. If we do get a major hit from Al Qaida, it will fall squarely on he shoulders of Obama. If Panetta's going to use The Army Field Manual as his template for prisoner handling, which was written for privates, not officers or civilians, then we'll never get an ounce of intelligence again. No more aggressive interrogationss, no more overseas phone tapping, bye-bye-Patriot Act, etc. I wonder even after we're attacked, and thousands, or tens of thousand of Americans are dead, how long it will take the first Liberal to come out from hiding under his cherished Obama campaign sign to blame America for it.



Of course you are correct, but try to keep in mind the silver lining in this cloud. When attacks are made and large bodycounts occur, they will be in "population centers" aka cities. Guess which political loonies are centralized in cities? The Liberals, of course!! The vast majority of voting wards in the country are conservative, only outweighed by the city populations. Think of this historical turnaround: For centuries the guardians of freedom have given the ultimate sacrifice, the more conservative type have perished, becoming The Silent Majority - their genetic lines terminated, all to protect the liberals and other cowards, who multiply and dilute the ritheous voting pool. Now, the liberals will have their constituents perishing, ridding us of their evil and/or cluelessness, all for the sake of Liberalism and increasing the Federal debt. I'm thinking that's peotic justice, but maybe some might think it irony.




So by this definition 9/11 had you opening a bottle of champagne and cheering?

For some reason when people start talking about cleansing the gene pool of faulty politics - and how awesome it would be - I get twitchy. Must be because my own country had really funny ideas along the same lines, just about 60 to 70 years back. I'm sure those guardians of freedom you speak about would be delighted with your point of view that city populations being attacked is a great thing for your country.

I suspect my sarcasm detector may be off. I just can't believe you really meant that.

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Thursday, January 8, 2009 2:12 AM

RIVERLOVE


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Originally posted by AgentRouka:
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Originally posted by jewelstaitefan:
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Originally posted by Riverlove:
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Originally posted by PirateCat:
Right on Riverlove. Does anybody care about the innocent Indians or just the poor palestians. I guess when its nonmuslim victims its not a liberal concern. Che is their hero a mass murderer. Sic traitors.


PC...Liberals are mostly naive and mis-guided children. Utterly clueless in a hostile world, or ideologically suicidal, take your pick. I've said before that Liberals are more dangerous to me than Al Qaida. But with Obama & Panetta now in charge of keeping all of us safe, I'm swinging back to Al Qaida. Like Carter and Clinton, Obama & Panetta will gut the agency again. Panetta will be firewall between the CIA & The White House, and morale at the CIA will suffer. CIA needs an experienced war-time leader, not some competant administrator with no intelligence experience. Many ex-CIA guys are predicting the gutting of the CIA, and are also predicitng terror attacks this year in the US. If we do get a major hit from Al Qaida, it will fall squarely on he shoulders of Obama. If Panetta's going to use The Army Field Manual as his template for prisoner handling, which was written for privates, not officers or civilians, then we'll never get an ounce of intelligence again. No more aggressive interrogationss, no more overseas phone tapping, bye-bye-Patriot Act, etc. I wonder even after we're attacked, and thousands, or tens of thousand of Americans are dead, how long it will take the first Liberal to come out from hiding under his cherished Obama campaign sign to blame America for it.



Of course you are correct, but try to keep in mind the silver lining in this cloud. When attacks are made and large bodycounts occur, they will be in "population centers" aka cities. Guess which political loonies are centralized in cities? The Liberals, of course!! The vast majority of voting wards in the country are conservative, only outweighed by the city populations. Think of this historical turnaround: For centuries the guardians of freedom have given the ultimate sacrifice, the more conservative type have perished, becoming The Silent Majority - their genetic lines terminated, all to protect the liberals and other cowards, who multiply and dilute the ritheous voting pool. Now, the liberals will have their constituents perishing, ridding us of their evil and/or cluelessness, all for the sake of Liberalism and increasing the Federal debt. I'm thinking that's peotic justice, but maybe some might think it irony.




So by this definition 9/11 had you opening a bottle of champagne and cheering?

For some reason when people start talking about cleansing the gene pool of faulty politics - and how awesome it would be - I get twitchy. Must be because my own country had really funny ideas along the same lines, just about 60 to 70 years back. I'm sure those guardians of freedom you speak about would be delighted with your point of view that city populations being attacked is a great thing for your country.

I suspect my sarcasm detector may be off. I just can't believe you really meant that.


JSF is obviously ribbing & hyperbolizing here. Relax, no one wants to see any dead Americans. If anyone did, then they would be despicable. We've had enough of that the last 8 years.

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Thursday, January 8, 2009 2:26 AM

RIVERLOVE


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Originally posted by jewelstaitefan:
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Originally posted by Riverlove:
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Originally posted by PirateCat:
Right on Riverlove. Does anybody care about the innocent Indians or just the poor palestians. I guess when its nonmuslim victims its not a liberal concern. Che is their hero a mass murderer. Sic traitors.


PC...Liberals are mostly naive and mis-guided children. Utterly clueless in a hostile world, or ideologically suicidal, take your pick. I've said before that Liberals are more dangerous to me than Al Qaida. But with Obama & Panetta now in charge of keeping all of us safe, I'm swinging back to Al Qaida. Like Carter and Clinton, Obama & Panetta will gut the agency again. Panetta will be firewall between the CIA & The White House, and morale at the CIA will suffer. CIA needs an experienced war-time leader, not some competant administrator with no intelligence experience. Many ex-CIA guys are predicting the gutting of the CIA, and are also predicitng terror attacks this year in the US. If we do get a major hit from Al Qaida, it will fall squarely on he shoulders of Obama. If Panetta's going to use The Army Field Manual as his template for prisoner handling, which was written for privates, not officers or civilians, then we'll never get an ounce of intelligence again. No more aggressive interrogationss, no more overseas phone tapping, bye-bye-Patriot Act, etc. I wonder even after we're attacked, and thousands, or tens of thousand of Americans are dead, how long it will take the first Liberal to come out from hiding under his cherished Obama campaign sign to blame America for it.



Of course you are correct, but try to keep in mind the silver lining in this cloud. When attacks are made and large bodycounts occur, they will be in "population centers" aka cities. Guess which political loonies are centralized in cities? The Liberals, of course!! The vast majority of voting wards in the country are conservative, only outweighed by the city populations. Think of this historical turnaround: For centuries the guardians of freedom have given the ultimate sacrifice, the more conservative type have perished, becoming The Silent Majority - their genetic lines terminated, all to protect the liberals and other cowards, who multiply and dilute the ritheous voting pool. Now, the liberals will have their constituents perishing, ridding us of their evil and/or cluelessness, all for the sake of Liberalism and increasing the Federal debt. I'm thinking that's peotic justice, but maybe some might think it irony.


I am kind of a silver lining person, but your "joshing" will be mis-interpreted here by some as you saw above. I don't want us to get attacked, but it does seem that the perfect storm for it is approaching. On the other hand the Obama Presidency might usher in a great new age. The man has decades of experience in dealing with criminals, terrorists, and other assorted America-haters. He has had the ability to weave in and out of the sludge to get things done. He may be able to set the stage for world peace by appealing & negotiating directly to those that are causing all the mayhem in the world, Iran. He may have that ability. Eight years of Bush's efforts hasn't exactly eliminated any threat, and latley it seems the threat is worse than ever. I'm willing to give Obama a shot at trying it his way. As if I have a choice anyway.

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Thursday, January 8, 2009 2:36 AM

AGENTROUKA


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Originally posted by Riverlove:

JSF is obviously ribbing & hyperbolizing here. Relax, no one wants to see any dead Americans. If anyone did, then they would be despicable. We've had enough of that the last 8 years.



I guess you're right.

The humor was a bit too vicious for me to appreciate it as such, but it does make much more sense that way. I'm quite relieved.

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Thursday, January 8, 2009 7:44 AM

FINN MAC CUMHAL


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Originally posted by AgentRouka:
I guess you're right.

The humor was a bit too vicious for me to appreciate it as such, but it does make much more sense that way. I'm quite relieved.

I’m with you. I think a lot of this humor, if that’s what we’re calling it, isn’t very funny when it makes light of death and destruction for no real reason. Too often people use humor as a means of shifting accountably away from them for comments that would otherwise be totally unacceptable. I feel the same thing about the “Israel and Palestine in Peaceful Co-Existence.” Although the thread is cloaked in humor, I suspect humor is being used to oversimplify a complex and desperate situation to force it into personal prejudices.



Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

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Thursday, January 8, 2009 8:07 AM

PIZMOBEACH

... fully loaded, safety off...


I thought the Bush shoe throwing thing was pretty funny at first, 3 Stooges stuff, and then I started thinking about the guy who threw it. It was hugely serious to him. He risked so much to make that statement (and it wasn't a bomb or a gun).

As for the “Israel and Palestine in Peaceful Co-Existence” thread, I participated because my personal prejudice is that both sides are guilty and Hamas seemed to be under represented. Like the shoe throwing, I agree, it's not really funny.

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Thursday, January 8, 2009 8:40 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Finn, you're an idiot.


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Hamas is a noble band of freedom fighters.
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I'd like to nominate this for the dumbest thing posted, after Finn's personal hatefest against me blamed me for the holocaust.



DT, it gets even worse - It was people exactly like Finn (and I'll bet he was one of them) who, along with Reagan, ridiculously romanticized the Mujahideen in the 80's, and called them things like "freedom fighters". And then they turned around and did the same thing with the Contras in Central America. So everything he has accused you of loving about Hamas, is the same things that he loved about other terrorist groups, so long as they served our interests, more or less, at the time. It's not that he's agasint terrorism or death squads - it's just that he's against it if it's not wrapped in an American flag first.



Mike

"It is complete now; the hands of time are neatly tied."

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Thursday, January 8, 2009 8:48 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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He may be able to set the stage for world peace by appealing & negotiating directly to those that are causing all the mayhem in the world, Iran.


Iran is responsible for ALL the mayhemm in the world? Really? Aren't they the ones who invaded Iraq 6 years ago and hanged Saddam? You're right - those guys ARE dicks!

Mike

"It is complete now; the hands of time are neatly tied."

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Thursday, January 8, 2009 8:50 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Republicans for killing Jews!!!!





Well, given what passes for humor in your world...

Or were you not joking about this?



Mike

"It is complete now; the hands of time are neatly tied."

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Thursday, January 8, 2009 1:27 PM

DREAMTROVE


Ah, Pizmo, we laugh to allow ourselves to deal with what we cannot change. That's why Jon Stewart has a job. But more than that, think about the number of jokes in society revolve around death. It's really quite high.


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KWICKO

DT, it gets even worse - It was people exactly like Finn (and I'll bet he was one of them) who, along with Reagan, ridiculously romanticized the Mujahideen in the 80's, and called them things like "freedom fighters". And then they turned around and did the same thing with the Contras in Central America. So everything he has accused you of loving about Hamas, is the same things that he loved about other terrorist groups, so long as they served our interests, more or less, at the time. It's not that he's agasint terrorism or death squads - it's just that he's against it if it's not wrapped in an American flag first.



Mike

This was so close to the truth I had to repost. I said this earlier, I think in this very thread. I would change it slightly to say "those that aren't buying from us, or fulfilling our agenda, inentionally or unintentionally in some way."

You're not going to see Finn attack JSOC and its operations in western afghanistan which have led to the bombing of some girls schools, and that grant the Al Qaeda network unlimited access to US military resources (brought to you by Pelosi, Boehner and Co.) Because those guys are fulfilling the true agenda of trying to destabilize Iran. Nevermind that the CIA is screaming bloody murder over this, the pentagon has a hard on for war, and is, as JS said, gay for oil.

I just want to rewind to point something out here.

The Al Qaeda network is a network, which is based on Hezbollah, which in turn is based on darpanet. This isn't the only time that retro-tech has evolved from computers. A lot of you have probably played Dungeons and Dragons, but how many knew that it was derived from a computer game.

AQ aids and trades throughout the Sunni world in the same way as Hezbollah does in the Shiia communities, and secular Sunni and Christian ones, with the main difference being that in addition to military, medical and basic charity trade, Al Qaeda is also involved in drug trafficking which means they are much more likely to be fried to the gills, and hence, think they are invincible or that blowing up a school is a good idea.

But that said, it's only a network. Its structure is nothing new or unknown, and it's not strictly speaking our enemy or a terrorist organization. (Given Bin Laden, it's barely an organization ;))

The main point being that some of the customers will be Mujahideen organizations. Mujahideen if I'm not mistaken means "warrior" and every muslim country has one. They are not alike, but they are the real militants. Right now, the US supports many Mujahideen, and by extension, those connections that it has through the Al Qaeda network. Particularly, we do this in the Sudan, Chad, Kosovo, Bosnia and Afghanistan. In Pakistan, and Somalia, we oppose them, and in Iraq and India, we're accused of underhandedly supporting them to create chaos, but we officially oppose them.

The whole situation is more complex than the outspoken counter-terrorist crowd says. Either this is because they are deceptive as I suggested, and want people to think in simple terms of good and evil, or they are really just that dumb, and are in fact delusional.

And, yes, I'm just posting this as a counterpoint, there's plenty of good stuff to read out there on the topic, even coming from our govt. and media, I'm not here to debate the issue with the proponents of the GWOT. IMHO, that's a front for old cold war shenanigans.

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Thursday, January 8, 2009 7:31 PM

FINN MAC CUMHAL


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Originally posted by Kwicko:
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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Republicans for killing Jews!!!!





Well, given what passes for humor in your world...

Or were you not joking about this?

Not really. Isn't it obvious yet that I equate support for Hamas with killing Jews. The two are synonymous, as far as I'm concerned, whether you realize it or not, that is what Hamas stands for.




Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

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Thursday, January 8, 2009 7:33 PM

FINN MAC CUMHAL


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Originally posted by Kwicko:
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Finn, you're an idiot.


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FINN
Hamas is a noble band of freedom fighters.
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I'd like to nominate this for the dumbest thing posted, after Finn's personal hatefest against me blamed me for the holocaust.



DT, it gets even worse - It was people exactly like Finn (and I'll bet he was one of them) who, along with Reagan, ridiculously romanticized the Mujahideen in the 80's, and called them things like "freedom fighters". And then they turned around and did the same thing with the Contras in Central America. So everything he has accused you of loving about Hamas, is the same things that he loved about other terrorist groups, so long as they served our interests, more or less, at the time. It's not that he's agasint terrorism or death squads - it's just that he's against it if it's not wrapped in an American flag first.

Did Kwicho just arbitrarily assign an opinion to me, and then condemn me for it? Ha ha

I think he did? That’s desperation, folks!



Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

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Thursday, January 8, 2009 7:57 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Did Kwicho just arbitrarily assign an opinion to me, and then condemn me for it? Ha ha

I think he did? That’s desperation, folks!



So you are saying that when you arbitrarily assigned an opinion to Rue (Hamas is warm and fuzzy), you were acting out of desperation?

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Originally posted by Finn Mac Cumhal:

Of course, rue. Hamas is warm and fuzzy. They could never be responsible for any action that would put Jews in danger.







Mike

"It is complete now; the hands of time are neatly tied."

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Thursday, January 8, 2009 8:03 PM

FINN MAC CUMHAL


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Originally posted by Kwicko:
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Did Kwicho just arbitrarily assign an opinion to me, and then condemn me for it? Ha ha

I think he did? That’s desperation, folks!



So you are saying that when you arbitrarily assigned an opinion to Rue (Hamas is warm and fuzzy), you were acting out of desperation?

No. Rue actually was arguing that Hamas was blameless.



Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

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Thursday, January 8, 2009 10:03 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


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Originally posted by Riverlove:
JSF is obviously ribbing & hyperbolizing here. Relax, no one wants to see any dead Americans. If anyone did, then they would be despicable. We've had enough of that the last 8 years.



Thanks for your support. Yes, we do not wish to see more Americans dead, nor others from peace-seeking groups. No, we did not celebrate 9/11.

But consider an analogy. When some miscreant shkes a soda vending machine until it falls over and crushes him/her to death, do you think, "oh gosh, too bad he didn't also kill and innocent child bystander at the same time?" Often, I conjure in Jayne style, coulda seen that coming.
So when the Americans are going to be killed, the point was in this new scenario, the Liberals are campaigning for the terrorists to be targeting liberals in cities to be killed. If some are to end up dead by their own actions and beliefs, better them than those who would rather defend against these attacks.

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Friday, January 9, 2009 9:00 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by jewelstaitefan:
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Originally posted by Riverlove:
JSF is obviously ribbing & hyperbolizing here. Relax, no one wants to see any dead Americans. If anyone did, then they would be despicable. We've had enough of that the last 8 years.



Thanks for your support. Yes, we do not wish to see more Americans dead, nor others from peace-seeking groups. No, we did not celebrate 9/11.

But consider an analogy. When some miscreant shkes a soda vending machine until it falls over and crushes him/her to death, do you think, "oh gosh, too bad he didn't also kill and innocent child bystander at the same time?" Often, I conjure in Jayne style, coulda seen that coming.
So when the Americans are going to be killed, the point was in this new scenario, the Liberals are campaigning for the terrorists to be targeting liberals in cities to be killed. If some are to end up dead by their own actions and beliefs, better them than those who would rather defend against these attacks.



Can we try that again, but in English this time?

It sounds like you're saying that liberals are campaigning for people to be killed in the cities, so they deserve to die because a kid shook a soda machine, or something like that.

Mike

"It is complete now; the hands of time are neatly tied."

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Friday, January 9, 2009 9:30 AM

AGENTROUKA


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Originally posted by jewelstaitefan:

But consider an analogy. When some miscreant shkes a soda vending machine until it falls over and crushes him/her to death, do you think, "oh gosh, too bad he didn't also kill and innocent child bystander at the same time?" Often, I conjure in Jayne style, coulda seen that coming.



I'm not sure that the analogy fully applies. I don't think terrorists are quite as passive in killing the miscreants (I assume liberals?) as a vending machine is, and I'm not sure who the child in your scenario would represent.

I mean to say, I don't think that liberal politics are the sole reason that attacks on cities have happened.

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So when the Americans are going to be killed, the point was in this new scenario, the Liberals are campaigning for the terrorists to be targeting liberals in cities to be killed. If some are to end up dead by their own actions and beliefs, better them than those who would rather defend against these attacks.



I didn't think that liberals are actively campaigning to mount a bulls eye for terrorist activity onto cities and away from.. away from what? What would be the alternative target? The guardians of freedom you speak of?

Who do you define as the guardians of freedom? If they routinely give their lives, I suspect... soldiers?

I'm trying to understand whether you goal is to shift back the loss of life to those who volunteer as defenders by making liberals cease all liberal and terrorist-encouraging activity, thus hypothetically removing all threat of terrorist attacks on cities in the first place.

If you do not define guardians of freedom to be solely soldiers but conservatives in general, why bother defending at all if the ones to be hit are only liberals, anyway? Why do you even care, if you are going to weigh the worth of life according to politics? What do they matter to you, then? Less liberals and even less cities! Since, apparently, cities are only for liberals, anyway.

It's just a little too cold an attitude for me to respect.

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Friday, January 9, 2009 10:09 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


And, correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the mayor of New York on 9/11 a Republican? Wasn't the president on 9/11 a Republican? Wasn't the governor of Massachusetts (where all of the hijacked planes originated from) a Republican?

Seems like a pretty fucked-up bunch of "defenders of freedom" you guys hired there...

Mike

"It is complete now; the hands of time are neatly tied."

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Friday, January 9, 2009 10:14 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Also, if it's only the cities that are targets, because cities are liberal, then why haven't all the conservatives moved out of the cities? I mean, they have to know the liberals are begging to be made targets, right? Are they planning on standing in the middle of Times Square and defending the city by the power of their upraised hand?

Just curious.



Mike

"It is complete now; the hands of time are neatly tied."

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Friday, January 9, 2009 1:49 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
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Republicans for McKinney :)



Ms 'Much ado about a hair do ' McKinney was once my Congresswoman. I voted her vileness out. Then they redrew the district lines, and she got booted out AGAIN, but sadly, I wasn't able to join in on the fun.

Just don't get me started on that worthless piece of go se. Both her and her knife wielding pappy could sink to the bottom of the Med, as far as I care.

IRL, I doubt there's even 1 Republican for McKinney. Certainly none here in GA.






It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager


" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Friday, January 9, 2009 7:50 PM

DREAMTROVE


You're from GA, Huh. Didn't occur to me.

Actually, Rap, yes, I was serious about voting for McKinney. It was part not getting into arguments about race, so there was another black person to vote for (I actually like Obama, but I knew if I voted for him I would get Clinton) Maybe i'll be pleasantly surprised.

If I lived in a swing state, I mighta voted differently. I like McKinney. She has guts, and some wild conspiracy theories. Of course, I also knew she didn't have a snowflakes chance in winning.

I was going to write in Ron Paul but he pointed out that people should write him in because write ins doen't get counted in the vote tally that gets printed after election day, and he wanted there to be a strong protest vote. 20% of the population could have written in Ron Paul and it still wouldn't make the news.

Personally, I'm also quite fond of McCain and Palin, but this is NY, they didn't stand a chance. I'm one of the few people here who thinks that Palin '12 is a good idea. JEB '12 is not my favorite idea. I've had enough dynastic politics. We're about to get either Senator Kennedy or Senator Clinton, possibly Senator Cuomo, but any way you slice it, an unelected elitist.

If I were Karl I'd reorganize the GOP around Ron Paul type principles, steal heavily from the British Conservative Party, just as Reagan did, and then have Sarah Palin as a front. I'd run that in 2012, at the depth of a depression, while the US was instituting a draft of men and women to stem its losing war with Pakistan and trying to deal with the concept of Quadrillion dollar debt, and when a loaf of bread was about $1600 bucks. I'd start that plan right now by making a micro economy out of Alaska and make things there hold relatively together for contrast, I think that, plus throw in underhanded support for some hippie socialist with more broad-based appeal than Ralph Nader, Throw in a decent expererienced true conseeervative as VP and I think it would be a walk.

Really, what I expect, is that the GOP will tie itself to sinking stones like Ohlmert, creationism, credit economy and the war, and put up JEB/Condi and throw it to Obama for re-election on a silver platter. But that's because I'm not Karl, Karl is Karl.

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Saturday, January 10, 2009 6:57 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


There's having guts, and then there's just bein' crazy as a sh*t house rat. The nonsensical, deranged things Cynthia has come up with not only do a disservice to those she'd represent, but I think her world view is a threat to civilization itself. Not that SHE is, but the views she puts forth, that one can trump up ginormous lies about a political rival, merely for the sake of casting aspersions their way, all for the sake of gaining power. She'd undermine her entire nation in order to gain a lowly seat in Congress. I sincerely think she'd accuse, try and convict an innocent person if it meant she'd benefit from it somehow. This is a woman who idolizes Castro and Che Gueverra, along w/ those who strap on bomb vest to murder a bus load of school children.

To say I don't like this woman is an understatement.



It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager


" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Saturday, January 10, 2009 7:28 AM

DREAMTROVE


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her world view is a threat to civilization itself


Lol. There's a reason to vote for her.
Civilization died a long time ago, and what we have now is a cheapo ripoff.

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To say I don't like this woman is an understatement.


Even with those with whom I politically disagree, I tend to take the words of the represented towards their congress members seriously. I know that few people in the rest of the country can appreciate how truly awful both Hillary Clinton and Rudy Giuliani are. It's not a partisan thing, clearly, these are just corrupt criminal self righteous asses who care about no one but themselves, and were completely inaccessible to their people.

We had a representative Sherwood Boehlert here for many years, and he was liked by everyone. A repesentative ought to be able to do that.

I remember when Carol Moseley Braun was running for president, I knew a feminist leftist who had been represented by her, and I asked her if she was psyched about this and she, a person of the same political stripe as Braun said "That lousy no good scum of the Earth bitch?"


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Saturday, January 10, 2009 12:29 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


dream, we have very different views on politicians, and what their role is and should be in Government.

Very different.



It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager


" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Saturday, January 10, 2009 12:58 PM

RIVERLOVE


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Civilization died a long time ago, and what we have now is a cheapo ripoff.


Look, we can't go back to the safety and normality of the 1950's, but that doesn't mean we have to sit back and calmly watch the world be destroyed by Islamic maniacs, and godless, suicidal, and anarchic Liberals either. I will always have faith that rational sanity will prevail for our security and fabric of society. The church-crashing transvestite desecrating Liberal world is riding high now, and we are on the brink of a George Soros/ Larry Flynt/ Nancy Pelosisco menage-a-troi un-holy joining of un-imaginably demented brain cells that would wish to see the natives prancing around in togas and love beads, in make-up and clutching Streisand albums and pc reference guidebooks for the new order. And with their inevitable appeasement and surrender- to-terrorists statesmanship, the styles for the ladies will be topless burqas with heads covered in camel shit...choice of gold or purple, hey it's Vegas Achmed baby!


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Saturday, January 10, 2009 1:39 PM

DREAMTROVE


Auraptor

You are correct. That doesn't mean that your doubting McKinney does not make me doubt her, it does.

My view of a politicians job is to question authority. Hence, my favorite republican is Ron Paul. There are a lot of people in the GOP I have great respect for who do it a lot more subtly. Dick Lugar, for example, not the firebrand of McCain, Hagel, Specter or any of those who had the strength to question their own party when it was wrong (look for democrats who will do this. I'm counting on two: Leahy and Feingold.)

Anyway, so yes, by this standard, on a national level, McKinney did a job that caught my attention. If you had to ask me a list of representatives from Georgia, I would be hard pressed to give you one without searching, but even in 2001 I could've named you McKinney, just as I could've named Ron Paul of Texas. It's not for no reason these people were candidates. They were movers and shakers, threats to the status quo.

Now here's what I don't like in a politician: DiFi, Pelosi, McConnell, the keepers of the status quo. Those who uphold the administrative branch. These are the people who I think are not a credit to the system, and their prevalence is one of the main reasons I think the system is irreversibly damaged.

If congress does not oppose the executive, then it is no longer an independent co-equal branch of govt., and at that time, which I think is this time, by a majority of those serving, their is no co-equal branch. If there is no co-equal branch, then this becomes a dictatorship. All the executive needs to do is to bribe the corrupticians who make up a majority of the ruling body, and they have their vote.

And, for the record, the executive is the cabinet, and its advisors, and that cabinet is really chosen by the advisors who then bully the president, and leverage congress, and appoint their people into office, and we're seeing it all over again right now.

I want someone with a backbone to get up on the senate foreign relations committee and say, however loudly, or however softly: NO, this woman is not qualified to be secretary of state, she has no foreign policy experience, and she has no diplomatic skill, she is completely unqualified and possesses not a shred of human tact, and while we're at it, has some unfinished legal matters to settle, and in no way should she be allowed to become the face of the US in matter of international affairs.

Now, Rap, I ask: Who do you think is more likely to do that, someone who upholds the executive and keeps orders in the halls of congress? Or a maverick, loose cannon, individual outside the box thinker who stands in opposition to unchecked executive authority?

Just so you know where I'm coming from.


River,

Let it all fall apart. Start over from scratch. There's no chance of saving this patient, he is dead.



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