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NRA anti Obama ads......is this true?

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Sunday, October 12, 2008 10:58 AM

OPPYH


Is Obama really against gun ownership in America?
The new ads from the NRA state this.
I haven't been this upset since Rosie O'donell had a meltdown on Tom Selleck about gun ownership.

This is sad to hear. I was pretty decisive about who to vote for, but not any longer.

As Americans we have the right to gun ownership.


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Sunday, October 12, 2008 11:02 AM

FUTUREMRSFILLION


No

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Sunday, October 12, 2008 11:04 AM

WHOZIT


The NRA has endorced McCain.

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Sunday, October 12, 2008 11:13 AM

HKCAVALIER


Quote:

Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:
No


What she said.

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

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Sunday, October 12, 2008 11:21 AM

FUTUREMRSFILLION


Quote:

Originally posted by whozit:
The NRA has endorced McCain.



That has nothing to do with the question.

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Sunday, October 12, 2008 12:54 PM

OUT2THEBLACK


Decide for yourself :



There are many more facts on this matter , just waiting to be revealed...

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Sunday, October 12, 2008 1:08 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Is Obama really against gun ownership in America?



He's got a history of being fairly anti-gun, which is my single biggest problem with Obama. I have some faith in the Second Amendment, though, and I honestly don't think anyone is going to get enough support for a constitutional amendment to overturn it.

There's a lot of hysteria over Obama's stance on the issue, with lots of gun enthusiasts absolutely convinced that on January 21st, 2009, Obama (if he wins) will sign laws outlawing all gun ownership, and the feds will show up at your door that day to confiscate all your "illegal" weapons (which would be all of them). Truth is, that's not going to happen.

What he CAN do, and probably will try to do, is steer legislation favorable to his views. This is my worry, and it's a valid one. There was already a new, expanded version of Clinton's "Assault Weapons Ban" introduced in the House of Representatives this year, but it will surprise you WHO introduced it: four REPUBLICAN Congressmen!

I have little doubt that another AWB is coming, one way or another. All that gun enthusiasts can do in the meantime is contact their Congresspeople and make their views known.

And if you have your eye on a gun, it's a good idea to buy it sooner rather than later - especially if you desire something with a magazine capacity of more than 10 rounds. I've picked up a couple interesting items in the past few months, but now I'm stocking up more on ammo (prices have skyrocketed in the past few years) and "high-capacity" magazines rather than on any particular model of handgun or rifle. What good is a gun if you don't have any ammo for it?

But yeah, Obama's record on guns is definitely not one of his strong suits, in my opinion. :(

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Sunday, October 12, 2008 3:07 PM

KIRKULES


THE FACTS SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES:

Obama voted to ban hundreds of rifles and shotguns commonly used for hunting and sport shooting
Illinois Senate, SB 1195, 3/13/03

Obama endorsed a ban on all handguns
Independent Voters of Illinois/Independent Precinct Organization general candidate questionnaire, 9/9/96
Politico, 03/31/08.

Obama voted to allow the prosecution of people who use a firearm for self-defense in their homes
Illinois Senate, S.B. 2165, vote 20, 3/25/04

Obama supported increasing taxes on firearms and ammunition by 500 percent
Chicago Defender, 12/13/99

Obama voted to ban almost all rifle ammunition commonly used for hunting and sport shooting
United States Senate, S. 397, vote 217, 7/29/05

Obama opposes Right-to-Carry laws
Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, 4/2/08, Chicago Tribune, 9/15/04

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Sunday, October 12, 2008 3:10 PM

OPPYH


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
He's got a history of being fairly anti-gun, which is my single biggest problem with Obama. I have some faith in the Second Amendment, though, and I honestly don't think anyone is going to get enough support for a constitutional amendment to overturn it.

There's a lot of hysteria over Obama's stance on the issue, with lots of gun enthusiasts absolutely convinced that on January 21st, 2009, Obama (if he wins) will sign laws outlawing all gun ownership, and the feds will show up at your door that day to confiscate all your "illegal" weapons (which would +be all of them). Truth is, that's not going to happen.

What he CAN do, and probably will try to do, is steer legislation favorable to his views. This is my worry, and it's a valid one. There was already a new, expanded version of Clinton's "Assault Weapons Ban" introduced in the House of Representatives this year, but it will surprise you WHO introduced it: four REPUBLICAN Congressmen!

I have little doubt that another AWB is coming, one way or another. All that gun enthusiasts can do in the meantime is contact their Congresspeople and make their views known.

And if you have your eye on a gun, it's a good idea to buy it sooner rather than later - especially if you desire something with a magazine capacity of more than 10 rounds. I've picked up a couple interesting items in the past few months, but now I'm stocking up more on ammo (prices have skyrocketed in the past few years) and "high-capacity" magazines rather than on any particular model of handgun or rifle. What good is a gun if you don't have any ammo for it?

But yeah, Obama's record on guns is definitely not one of his strong suits, in my opinion. :(

This world is a comedy for those who think, and a tragedy for those who feel.


Thanks for your honesty.

^^^You know, I expected a little more from most people who posted on this thread. I just wanted an honest answer. For some of you to just blatantly say "NO" without doing any research or knowing what your talking about is a disservice to the truth. Obama is clearly anti-gun(at least handguns). For me this is a deal breaker. I'm simply not voting.

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Sunday, October 12, 2008 3:26 PM

OUT2THEBLACK


Quote:

Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:
No

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"We don't fear the reaper"

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Day-yam , I hate Gorramned Lie-yers !

Fear The Reaper !



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Sunday, October 12, 2008 3:29 PM

FUTUREMRSFILLION


Obama is NOT anti gun OWNERSHIP. You can own guns. He is for gun CONTROL.

There is a difference.


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Sunday, October 12, 2008 3:29 PM

FUTUREMRSFILLION


O2B

I could really care less.

NOT


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Sunday, October 12, 2008 3:59 PM

XRAFTERMANX


What would the Captain think about gun control?

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Sunday, October 12, 2008 4:05 PM

FUTUREMRSFILLION


he would probably tell you to control your gun or he would control it for you



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Sunday, October 12, 2008 4:38 PM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:
Obama is NOT anti gun OWNERSHIP. You can own guns. He is for gun CONTROL.

There is a difference.



I'd really like for you to explain that difference.

Convince me that Sen. Obama won't try to infringe my Second Amendment rights.

If you can't, then, based on the record, the "If he ain't for it he's against it" rule applies.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Sunday, October 12, 2008 5:41 PM

OUT2THEBLACK


Quote:

Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:
O2B

I could really care less.




Yeah , I know...

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Sunday, October 12, 2008 5:52 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Geezer:
Quote:

Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:
Obama is NOT anti gun OWNERSHIP. You can own guns. He is for gun CONTROL.

There is a difference.



I'd really like for you to explain that difference.

Convince me that Sen. Obama won't try to infringe my Second Amendment rights.

If you can't, then, based on the record, the "If he ain't for it he's against it" rule applies.

"Keep the Shiny side up"



It's a hot-button issue for single-issue voters, that's for sure. But if gun rights are your ONLY issue, you really should look into McCain's record a bit deeper. Seems he co-sponsored a gun bill with Joe Lieberman some years ago that would have seriously curtailed sales at gun shows, even to the point of saying that any gathering of more than 5 or 10 people where guns were sold constituted a "gun show", and everyone who attended would have to be filed in a federal database - regardless of whether they bought anything or not. Just ATTENDING one of these "gun shows" put you on a Fed list!

Seems none of our candidates are squeaky clean on this one. Except maybe Ron Paul. Feel free to write him in.

Mike




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Sunday, October 12, 2008 5:55 PM

OUT2THEBLACK


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:

Originally posted by Geezer:
Quote:

Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:
Obama is NOT anti gun OWNERSHIP. You can own guns. He is for gun CONTROL.

There is a difference.



I'd really like for you to explain that difference.

Convince me that Sen. Obama won't try to infringe my Second Amendment rights.

If you can't, then, based on the record, the "If he ain't for it he's against it" rule applies.

"Keep the Shiny side up"



...Just ATTENDING one of these "gun shows" put you on a Fed list !

Seems none of our candidates are squeaky clean on this one. Except maybe Ron Paul. Feel free to write him in.

Mike


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Sunday, October 12, 2008 5:56 PM

OUT2THEBLACK


Gun Control is the ability to HIT YOUR TARGET !

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Sunday, October 12, 2008 6:11 PM

OUT2THEBLACK


Quote:

Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:
he would probably tell you to control your gun or he would control it for you






Control THIS !
Muh-Fuh !

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Sunday, October 12, 2008 6:14 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by out2theblack:
Gun Control is the ability to HIT YOUR TARGET !



I was taught that the best gun control is a steady hand.



This world is a comedy for those who think, and a tragedy for those who feel.

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Sunday, October 12, 2008 6:17 PM

OUT2THEBLACK


'Steady Hand' enables you to HIT YOUR TARGET !

" In the next breath, he asserts that this constitutional guarantee does not preclude local "common sense" restrictions on firearms. Does the draconian prohibition in Washington fit that description? My attempts to get an answer have proved unavailing. The front-running Democratic presidential candidate is doing the gun dance. "

www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/06/AR20080406016
52.html


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Sunday, October 12, 2008 6:22 PM

HKCAVALIER


Quote:

Originally posted by OPPYH:
Thanks for your honesty.

^^^You know, I expected a little more from most people who posted on this thread. I just wanted an honest answer. For some of you to just blatantly say "NO" without doing any research or knowing what your talking about is a disservice to the truth. Obama is clearly anti-gun(at least handguns). For me this is a deal breaker. I'm simply not voting.

Obama has said repeatedly that as President, he is not gonna take your guns away, loudly and often and in front of large crowds. Supporting anti-gun legislation in a state with an extremely high crime rate is a little different from wanting to ban all guns in all 50 states. You ever think he might be in favor of gun laws on a case by case, state by state basis? No where does Obama's Illinois record show that he would support Federal anti-gun laws. Best just to jump to conclusions, though: oh no, he obviously hates guns and wants to repeal the 2nd Amendment!

I echoed FMF's "no" because I've been through this argument half a dozen times already and I have researched his position and the answer is "no."

And a lot has changed in this country since Clinton was President. Thanks to them mouthy Libertarians and our own government's creeping totalitarianism, a lot of people have a much greater appreciation for the 2nd Amendment now (myself included).

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

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Sunday, October 12, 2008 6:32 PM

OUT2THEBLACK


'When a child says "I'm sorry." for misbehaving and then immediately does the same thing, he either does not know the meaning of the words he speaks or doesn't care about the value of his word.

Similarly, when a politician says he supports the Second Amendment, and then votes for bills that violate those rights, there are only two options. He either doesn't know what he is saying, or he is saying what is necessary to get elected.

Either way, actions speak louder than words.

And so it is with Barack Obama.

Before you take the shortcut to FactCheck's analysis, remember that they are funded by the Annenberg Foundation, which just happens to also fund the Brady Bunch. Also recognize that their analysis relies on Obama's words and misrepresentations of the mentioned bills.

We have been hearing for months about how Obama was a constitutional professor and respects the Second Amendment as an individual right. Sportsmen for Obama groups have sprouted up here and there to try to accent the point. A skeet shoot in Brighton, Colorado, hosted by Ray Shoenke of the AHSA, was Obama's version of the Kerry absurd.

So, do we believe the words of a candidate or do we examine readily available information? I am not suggesting anyone take the word of the AHSA or the NRA. Investigate for yourself. Obama's voting record will speak for itself.

And his voting record is consistent with his words when running as an Illinois politician instead of a federal politician.

I suggest that you do not trust this site. And do not trust Gun Law News. Link through to bills like SB-2579 (Illinois 2003) and read the kind of bills that Obama actually voted for and read his speech on the bill (page 123). Then examine the kind of bills that Obama voted against: S-397.

Do those votes reflect a position of support for the Second Amendment?

Do Obama's words mirror his actions or give the reflection of someone hoping you will not research his actions?

Do not let Barack fool you. Despite his words, Obama will support all the gun control he feels he can get passed. And he will do it while saying that he is not infringing the rights of hunters.'

http://www.sportsmenforobama.org


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Sunday, October 12, 2008 6:38 PM

OUT2THEBLACK


Quote:

Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:
No



Ignorant Partisan Shill !

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Sunday, October 12, 2008 10:32 PM

KHYRON


O2B, chill out, none of FMF's responses to you warrant the verbal abuse you're throwing at her at the moment. It's people who can't control their temper, i.e. people like you, who give gun owners a bad name.

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Sunday, October 12, 2008 11:15 PM

KHYRON


Quote:

"Obama's Ten Point Plan to 'Change' the Second Amendment…Ban use of firearms for home defense."

National Rifle Association on Friday, August 1st, 2008 in direct mail piece

Yes, and outlaw apple pie as well

In a hard-hitting direct-mail piece to its members, the National Rifle Association detailed an alleged plan by Sen. Barack Obama to transform gun-ownership regulations.

Obama's "plan" appeared on a section of the mailer designed to be cut out and carried around in a wallet. The front of the wallet card said, "Barack Obama's Ten Point Plan to 'Change' the Second Amendment." The reverse listed the 10 parts of the alleged plan, starting with, "Ban use of firearms for home defense."

An NRA spokeswoman confirmed the authenticity of the mailer, which first appeared in early August 2008, but would not provide details of what its claims were based on. For that, she referred us to various NRA Web sites.

We could find no support on any of them for the allegation that Obama has a plan to ban the use of firearms for home defense. What we did find, and what we suspect is the root of this allegation, was information about a vote Obama cast as an Illinois state senator in May 2004. (See this essay by NRA executive vice president officer Wayne LaPierre.)

The bill in question was a response to the case of Hale DeMar, a Wilmette, Ill., man who shot and wounded a burglar in his home in December 2003. Prosecutors did not charge him for the shooting, since they determined that he acted in self-defense, but they did fine him $750 for violating the local handgun ordinance. An outcry of sympathy for DeMar prompted the state legislature to take up a bill that would let people claim a self-defense protection for using a gun in their homes in violation of local weapons bans.

Obama voted against the measure. The legislature passed it, and later overrode the veto of Democratic Gov. Rod Blagojevich.

Like Blagojevich, Obama framed that debate as a home-rule issue. He told the Associated Press at the time that he voted against the measure out of respect for local governments' authority to set gun policy.

Here's what LaPierre wrote about the vote: "When Obama turned thumbs down on the bill, he voted against the most basic element of the Second Amendment — the right of defense of self and family — the reason that millions of Americans own firearms."

That's a bit of a leap. In concrete terms, Obama's thumbs-down was a vote against the state legislature tweaking a local gun ban. In any event, there's no fair way to interpret it as evidence that Obama has a future plan to ban the use of firearms for home defense.

Moreover, there's ample evidence to the contrary. Here's Obama speaking at a forum sponsored by WJLA-ABC7 and Politico.com on Feb. 12, 2008: "I think we have two conflicting traditions in this country. I think it’s important for us to recognize that we’ve got a tradition of handgun ownership and gun ownership generally. And a lot of people — law-abiding citizens use it for hunting, for sportsmanship, and for protecting their families (emphasis added). We also have a violence on the streets that is the result of illegal handgun usage…We can have reasonable, thoughtful gun control measures that I think respect the Second Amendment and people’s traditions.”

That doesn't sound to us like someone planning to "ban use of firearms for home defense." Quite the opposite, actually.

Ignoring that sort of evidence, and instead extrapolating from one vote on a jurisdictional debate in Illinois a broad-ranging plan to ban guns for home defense, is not just misleading, it's intentionally dishonest. That is, Pants on Fire wrong.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/709/

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Monday, October 13, 2008 12:46 AM

SIMONWHO


Pah, if the founders had wanted guns to be well regulated, they'd have used those words in the amendment.

And guess who the NRA labelled "one of the premier flag carriers for the enemies of the Second Amendment"?

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Monday, October 13, 2008 12:47 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by out2theblack:
Decide for yourself :



There are many more facts on this matter , just waiting to be revealed...



Why does Obama lie when asked a simple question ? That alone should send alarm bells off in some of y 'alls heads.



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Monday, October 13, 2008 4:04 AM

OUT2THEBLACK


Quote:

Originally posted by Khyron:
O2B, chill out, none of FMF's responses to you warrant the verbal abuse you're throwing at her at the moment. It's people who can't control their temper, i.e. people like you, who give gun owners a bad name.




Hey dude , she's the one that slipped in here , shooting from the lip...

Taking potshots in a drive-by ain't exactly fair play...If she had so much as a single fact on her side , she might be excusable...

But she doesn't . And she isn't...

She only shows up with a lie in the first place...Everything that followed that is not even so much as a well-formed opinion on her part...

Like I said , she's just a partisan shill seeking to mislead people...
Then she doesn't know to shut up and quit before she loses more ground...

That gets less than zero respect from me .

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Monday, October 13, 2008 4:09 AM

OUT2THEBLACK


Quote:

Originally posted by SimonWho:
Pah, if the founders had wanted guns to be well regulated, they'd have used those words in the amendment.




Yes , that's WHY they never said that...

What they said was , " the Right of THE PEOPLE to Keep And Bear Arms SHALL NOT Be Infringed ."

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Monday, October 13, 2008 4:41 AM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg


Well, we all know what happens if the government tries and takes our weapons.

Besides, think of the logistics of it.

They would have to first ban all weapons...which at that point, the people would rise up.

THEN they would have to go house to house, all across the country and try and take the weapons. Granted, they would start first with the people who had them registered.

But by that point....well....do you think the military or the police are prepared to have a gun battle everytime they show up at someones house?

For the record tho, I've seen those ads and done my own research.

The NRA ads are true.

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Monday, October 13, 2008 5:49 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


If you can't control your temper maybe YOU shouldn't have a gun.

The best form of "gun control" is SELF control. Because an idiot with a gun is still just an idiot with a gun.

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Let's party like its 1929.

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Monday, October 13, 2008 5:57 AM

STORYMARK


Wow, some big, scared reactionaries in here.

I do find it interesting, amid all this "Obaama's gonna ban gus talk", that the righties are totally ignoring McCain's record on ths issue, even after it was pointed out.

Rather telling.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Monday, October 13, 2008 6:52 AM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg


It doesnt matter the party.

Anyone tries to take our guns...good luck.

Its funny how the "gun-control" sheeple are always so ready to lie down and let those in "power" violate them. But, then again, they ARE the weak.

Im not saying everyone should have a gun, or that it should be the Wild West all over again.
But, it is a God given right for a person to defend themelves. Period. End of discussion.



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Monday, October 13, 2008 6:59 AM

OPPYH


Quote:

Originally posted by HKCavalier:
Obama has said repeatedly that as President, he is not gonna take your guns away, loudly and often and in front of large crowds. Supporting anti-gun legislation in a state with an extremely high crime rate is a little different from wanting to ban all guns in all 50 states. You ever think he might be in favor of gun laws on a case by case, state by state basis? No where does Obama's Illinois record show that he would support Federal anti-gun laws. Best just to jump to conclusions, though: oh no, he obviously hates guns and wants to repeal the 2nd Amendment!

I echoed FMF's "no" because I've been through this argument half a dozen times already and I have researched his position and the answer is "no."

And a lot has changed in this country since Clinton was President. Thanks to them mouthy Libertarians and our own government's creeping totalitarianism, a lot of people have a much greater appreciation for the 2nd Amendment now (myself included).

HKCavalier



Yeah, but don't you think if there were another gun disaster(Columbine) Obama as president would sit well with gun laws. Not very likely. He would most likely do everything in his power to make gun ownership(purchasing new guns that is) either impossible, or damn near illegal.

It's my opinion of course, but I can see him as being the "hero" in a situation like that. Killing a headache by cutting off the head!

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Monday, October 13, 2008 7:21 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
It doesnt matter the party.

Anyone tries to take our guns...good luck.

Its funny how the "gun-control" sheeple are always so ready to lie down and let those in "power" violate them. But, then again, they ARE the weak.



Yeah, but my point is, the righties are acting as if Obama is the ONLY one who is advocaqting gun control, and ignoring the fact that it's coming from their "side" as well.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Monday, October 13, 2008 8:11 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
Quote:

Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
It doesnt matter the party.

Anyone tries to take our guns...good luck.

Its funny how the "gun-control" sheeple are always so ready to lie down and let those in "power" violate them. But, then again, they ARE the weak.



Yeah, but my point is, the righties are acting as if Obama is the ONLY one who is advocaqting gun control, and ignoring the fact that it's coming from their "side" as well.




Exact-a-mundo!

Just do some research. Start digging. You'll be shocked and ashamed to discover what the "other side" is doing on this front.

My take is that either way, we're somewhat screwed.

Mike

This world is a comedy for those who think, and a tragedy for those who feel.

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Monday, October 13, 2008 8:43 AM

OPPYH


Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
Yeah, but my point is, the righties are acting as if Obama is the ONLY one who is advocaqting gun control, and ignoring the fact that it's coming from their "side" as well.



And Obama has been very vocal(now he's remaining quiet) about making gun ownership(handguns)a thing of the past. That's not not gun control, that's erasing an ammendment. Mccain has never stated anything more than a more thorough background check, and license to buy handgun ammo for handguns. Something I agree with completely.

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Monday, October 13, 2008 8:59 AM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg


I believe we should all be allowed to carry a gun, under any circumstance. (Unless, you are a convicted felon or a mental case).

The streets would be safer, and everyone would be a hell of a lot more polite.

As to those who want to take my guns from me, and leave me at the mercy of the evil in this world....or regulate me from protecting myself...

Let them come.

To quote "Jarhead"

I want the pink mist.

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Monday, October 13, 2008 10:50 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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I want the pink mist.
Wulf, you're not exactly a walking advert for gun ownership.

ETA: Reminds me of those news stories: Man Shoots Wife and Children in Custody Dispute. Kinda explains why the woman wanted a divorce AND custody, doesn't it?

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Monday, October 13, 2008 12:14 PM

KIRKULES



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Monday, October 13, 2008 2:02 PM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg


Sigy,

Don't worry. When the shit hits the fan, folks like me will protect you.

I'd rather you be able to protect yourself, mind. But, whatever...

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Monday, October 13, 2008 2:11 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


I have a gun, Wulf, and I know how to use it. If the shit hits the fan, if you come to MY door with a gun you better be careful.

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Let's party like its 1929.

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Monday, October 13, 2008 2:21 PM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg


Lol Well, its good to know you have SOME fight in you.

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Monday, October 13, 2008 2:38 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Lol Well, its good to know you have SOME fight in you.

I am a lethal weapon my own self, guns would just slow me down, but I believe in the right to have 'em if y'all feel the need to.

Chrisisall

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Monday, October 13, 2008 4:07 PM

OUT2THEBLACK


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:

I am a lethal weapon my own self, guns would just slow me down, but I believe in the right to have 'em if y'all feel the need to.




Yeah , acute lead intoxication has a way of putting your gung-fu into slo-mo mode...

'Gun-fu' is known for that...Makes all the fancy posturing seem ridiculously silly...

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Monday, October 13, 2008 4:21 PM

FREMDFIRMA


Out2B - Come on, that was a bit much, don'tcha think ?

I am pretty rabid about the 2A, and that's one of the reasons I do NOT like Obamalamadingdong, cause he's not only anti gun ownership, he's as thoroughly dishonest about is as any other politico, and while not having the guts to stand up and try a ban, seems intent on playing the game of slowly chipping away at those rights till there's nothing left but a hollow shell - with the INTENT in the end, of prettymuch an outright ban, taken to the level of utter ridiculousness the UK has.

That path leads to a rubber room with crayons, so we don't accidently hurt ourselves in between our shifts of working to enrich the elitist bastards who DO have control over all the weapons, or worse.

I have no respect for the mollycoddling milquetoast quisling collaborator sellout bastards of the NRA, none... having carefully observed their actions in the past few years, and their squeamishness in addressing the Katrina confiscations till forced to on the pike of member outrage - I see the same self-serving treachery as the AARP visited upon seniors over the medicare drug programs.

Nope, NOT good enough for me - and although we're at fairly different odds religiously, I am with the JFPO, cause they've been down that road, handed em in, and watched as their relatives and families were herded into the camps.
http://www.jpfo.org/

THAT is where it ends folks, never you doubt it, and any study of history worthy of note will tell you the exact same thing, again and again - once you hand over the means, you might as well just slit your own throat on the spot, at least it'd be quick.

I know I sound harsh, but the sad fact is with so many folks unwilling to stand up for constitutional rights, those few who remain seek refuge in absolute rabidity to multiply the force of their dwindling numbers - I could care less what happens to folk who vote away their own freedoms, but when you wrap that anchor chain around my ankles too, expect to be regarded with the vile rancor that your treacherous actions have earned.

If *I* voted away YOUR freedoms, how would you then feel about me, ehe ?

What part of SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED does not get across here, eh ?

"Liberty, the greatest of all earthly blessings - give us that precious jewel, and you may take every things else! Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect every one who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are inevitably ruined. The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to the vigilant, the active, the brave. It is natural to man to indulge in the illusions of hope. We are apt to shut our eyes against a painful truth and listen to the song of that syren, till she transforms us into beasts. Is this the part of wise men, engaged in a great and arduous struggle for liberty?"

All that being said - the Second Amendment is a last ditch defense to protect the rest, and while the Fourth is an endangered species, and the First well on it's way, they ain't gone yet.

And so it strikes me with the utmost annoyance, when folk will go so far to protect ONE Constitutional Right, but refrain from, or actively resist, protecting them ALL.

Those ennumerated rights are not the only ones we have, and although the government acts like they are, which the AntiFederalists fully predicted would happen in precisely the fashion it has, those are specifically mentioned as a tripwire to alert the people that the Gov has crossed the line.

So if you're willing to stand and deliver for my right to bear arms in self defense - but unwilling to stand and deliver for any of the others...

Or if you're willing to stand and deliver for the other rights, but not this one...

Then go stand somewhere else, cause I don't want you beside me.

You can't pick and choose, you defend em all, or just surrender and go the fuck home, allright ?

-Frem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Monday, October 13, 2008 4:38 PM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg


What Frem said.

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Monday, October 13, 2008 6:57 PM

OUT2THEBLACK


Out2B - Come on, that was a bit much, don'tcha think ?

What was ?

I know I sound harsh, but the sad fact is with so many folks unwilling to stand up for constitutional rights, those few who remain seek refuge in absolute rabidity to multiply the force of their dwindling numbers - I could care less what happens to folk who vote away their own freedoms, but when you wrap that anchor chain around my ankles too, expect to be regarded with the vile rancor that your treacherous actions have earned.

Hey bud ,

I've taken the Oath of office twice , to Support and Defend the Constitution , and the Bill of Rights , against all Enemies , Foreign and Domestic...

I hope your rant was a general one...We have much more to be concerned about from the Domestic Enemies , than the Foreign ones...

If this Republic were being governed in a genuine Constitutional manner , we'd have many fewer foreign enemies...

I find it odd that Obama is considered to be a 'constitutional scholar' , and yet he attacks the 2nd Amendment furtively...The question of this thread wasn't directed to the matter of McShame and his record , but in the interest of equal time , he's little , if any , better than his opponent...So far , though , I haven't seen anyone actively seeking to obscure the facts about his record within this thread...

Having said that , I have much less concern about Palin making an effort to establish a theocracy than I do about the continual erosion of civil liberties and Constitutional Rights...

Even in the face of the recent Supreme Court decision (re: DC gun ban) , the assaults against the 2nd continue unabated...

Actually , with redoubled vigor...

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