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I think Trump was told that there was an imminent attack planned, and that it would be like another Benghazi or another Iranian hostage crisis and that he'd get the blame. And then he was told he could prevent it by killing this guy.

Who told him that?

That was the deep state once again faking "intelligence" to stampede Trump. Like the (false) pictures of dead ducks and sick children in Salisbury (Skripal event) which never happened, which caused Trump to expel a bunch of Russian diplomats, or the "gas attack" in Douma (revealed as staged by internal OPCW documents leaked by whistleblowers) which caused Trump to launch missiles on Syria.

Don't pretend that the deep state and neocon Repubs AND Dems haven't been jonesing for war ever since Trump was elected. They have been hounding Trump as "Putin's puppet" ever since then.

The thing that pisses me off is that this is the THIRD time that Trump would have been fooled. Doesn't he know by now that the deep state and the warhawks are looking for any excuse to plant their knives in his back, above and beyond concocting the Russiagate and Ukrainegate hoaxes?

C'mon Mr Trump, you can't afford to be THAT brain-dead about foreign affairs, if only for your own political survival!

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PNAC: Project for the New American Century, a neoconservative think tank which advocated total world dominance by the USA military. GWB appointed quite a number of PNAC signatories.
http://www.oldamericancentury.org/pnac.htm

"Javanka": The combined influence of Jared and Ivanka Kushner. Jared is an avid pro-Zionist. It seems to me that, for him, Israel's interests come to mind first, before the USA's.

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

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Trump Knew of Israel’s Planned Attack on Iran All Along
Edith Olmsted
Fri, June 13, 2025 at 6:45 AM PDT


Israeli officials say that their country’s deadly military strike on Iran was rubber-stamped by Donald Trump, despite his claims to have had nothing to do with it.

Just hours before Israel’s massive operation Thursday targeting Iran’s ballistic missile and nuclear facilities, military officials, and nuclear scientists, Trump claimed he was against an attack because it would “blow” ongoing diplomatic talks, which were set to continue this weekend.

Two Israeli officials told Axios, however, that Trump was lying and the president had only pretended to publicly oppose Israel’s military operation to “eliminate” ballistic missile and nuclear facilities, which was reportedly eight months in the making.

“We had a clear U.S. green light,” one Israeli official told Axios.

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In a phone call with Netanyahu Monday, Trump reportedly urged the Israeli prime minister to stop chatter about a potential strike on Iran. But Israeli officials told Axios that the call had really been about coordination ahead of the attack, and Netanyahu’s aides had lied to reporters.

The New York Times reported in April that Israel, which is not a participant in the ongoing nuclear talks, had made plans to attack Iranian nuclear sites that were waved off by Trump, who wanted to continue negotiating with Tehran. The White House made it clear, at least publicly, that if Israel wanted to strike it would do so alone.

On Wednesday, some U.S. personnel were evacuated from the region, including from Baghdad and Bahrain, citing security concerns. When asked what Israeli officials had told him that prompted the evacuations, Trump said, “They didn’t tell me anything, but I said look, there’s a chance of massive conflict.”

For a guy who says he had nothing to do with the attack, Trump has been quick to use the strike as leverage.

“Iran should have listened to me when I said—you know I gave them, I don’t know if you know but I gave them a 60-day warning and today is day 61. They should now come to the table to make a deal before it’s too late. It will be too late for them,” the president told CNN.

He also said that the strike had killed some of the people who’d been part of nuclear talks. “You know the people I was dealing with are dead, the hard-liners,” Trump added. Iran’s top negotiator in the nuclear talks, Ali Shamkhani, has been confirmed dead.

When asked by The Wall Street Journal Friday what kind of heads-up Israel had given the U.S. about the impending strike, Trump replied, “Heads-up? It wasn’t a heads-up. It was, we know what’s going on.”

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People will when gas goes to $10/ gal and American bodies start coming home. We, Trump's base, didn't vote for him to keep us in one forever war, and then get us into another.

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The Zionists are Crying, “Uncle Sam”

14 June 2025 by Larry C. Johnson 414 Comments

Israel’s initial euphoria over its Friday morning strikes on Iranian targets is fading as Israeli inhabitants get a taste of their own medicine. Israel’s much touted Iron Dome is a total bust. I have posted a couple of videos below that show the Iranian missiles arriving unimpeded.

In his latest video, BORZZIKMAN reports that the Iranian strike yesterday on the IDF version of the Pentagon destroyed a THAAD air defense system that was deployed to “protect” the building.



Pepe Escobar was interviewed earlier today by Nima and provided some important news from his impeccable Russian sources. Israel, with help from the West, hit Iran with a cyberattack early Friday morning (Tehran time) that disabled Iran’s air-defense system. Israel and the West anticipated this would disable Iran’s ability to track and attack inbound missiles for several days. According to Pepe, Iranian technicians got the system up and running in 10 hours.

The Potemkin Village propaganda generated by Israel and spread by Western media is coming apart at the seams. While many in the West still believe that Israel has struck a fatal blow on Iran and that Iran is just days away from a collapse, the Iranian missile force is alive and well and bombing the shit out of Israel. I suspect that Iran is employing Houthi tactics with their ballistic missiles that are fired from mobile launchers — i.e., instead of relying on fixed sites, Iran is deploying its missiles around the country on mobile launchers, which are virtually impossible to detect and destroy in a timely manner. As I write this, Iran reportedly has launched an eighth-wave of missiles. Iran is going to engage Israel in a tit-for-tat battle until Israel ceases its attacks on Iran.

The following report from AXIOS is indicative of Israeli panic:



The following videos highlight the problem confronting Israel… it can’t stop Iranian missiles.

[The videos aren't available in YouTube. You'll have to go here to see them:
https://sonar21.com/the-zionists-are-crying-uncle-sam/ ]

Another reality confronting Israel is that the United States does not have unlimited supplies of air defense missiles, and other weapons, to send to Israel. For example, consider the limitations of the THAAD and SM-3 antiballistic missile systems… the US can only manufacture 50-75 THAAD and 60-84 SM-3 interceptors per year! I read another report today — can’t find it now — that the US is sending weapons intended for Ukraine to Israel. I’m sure Zelensky will be thrilled with that news. If this report is true, Ukraine’s days are numbered. Without sustained US military and intelligence support, Ukraine cannot sustain its military operations through the summer.

I want to remind you of the Strategic Partnership Agreement that Russia and Iran signed on January 17. Here are the critical sections pertaining to the current war with Israel:

Article 3

3. In the event that either Contracting Party is subject to aggression, the other Contracting Party shall not provide any military or other assistance to the aggressor which would contribute to the continued aggression, and shall help to ensure that the differences that have arisen are settled on the basis of the United Nations Charter and other applicable rules of international law.

So, what does this mean? The right to self-defense is recognized in Article 51 of the UN Charter, which allows countries to defend themselves if an armed attack occurs. This self-defense must be:

In response to an actual armed attack
Immediate and necessary
Proportional to the threat

Israel’s attack on Iranian nuclear facilities, under the terms of this agreement, means that Iran, with Russian support, will be fully entitled to respond militarily. Russia sent Israel and the United States a clear warning… Russia has Iran’s back.

Article 4 is particularly revealing because it admits that Russia and Iran have separate agreements governing cooperation between their respective intelligence and security agencies:

Article 4

2. The intelligence and security agencies of the Contracting Parties shall cooperate within the framework of separate agreements.

Article 5 reveals that Russia and Iran have agreed to a comprehensive level of military cooperation that covers everything from training to military exercises to responding to attacks:

Article 5

1. In order to develop military cooperation between their relevant agencies, the Contracting Parties shall conduct the preparation and implementation of respective agreements within the Working Group on Military Cooperation.

2. The military cooperation between the Contracting Parties shall cover a wide range of issues, including the exchange of military and expert delegations, port calls by military ships and vessels of the Contracting Parties, training of military personnel, exchange of cadets and instructors, participation – upon the agreement between the Contracting Parties – in international defence exhibitions hosted by the Contracting Parties, conduct of joint sports competitions, cultural and other events, joint maritime relief and rescue operations as well as combating piracy and armed robbery at sea.

3. The Contracting Parties shall interact closely in holding joint military exercises in the territory of both Contracting Parties and beyond by mutual consent and taking into account the applicable generally recognized rules of international law.

4. The Contracting Parties shall consult and cooperate in countering common military and security threats of a bilateral and regional nature.

Donald Trump came into office with the backing of millions of voters who believed his promise not to embroil the US in needless foreign wars. Looks like he is breaking that promise. He apparently learned nothing from George HW Bush, who promised, “no new taxes,” and then broke that promise. Voters did not forgive him. If Trump intervenes on behalf of Israel, he will likely suffer a similar political fate; only instead of not being re-elected, he will see his political support among a key segment of his base crumble

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Oh, I'm skeptical about the "reasons" for the war.

This time, someone convinced Trump that striking Iran with missiles and drones will give him "leverage" in "negotiations" about Iranian "nuclear weapons". Very similar to him being convinced that attacking Russia's nuclear assets would force Russia to agree cease fire.

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What Vladimir Putin doesn’t realize is that if it weren’t for me, lots of really bad things would have already happened to Russia, and I mean REALLY BAD. He’s playing with fire!
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Trump has hailed Ukraine's daring "Operation Spiderweb" attack as "strong and badass".
The US president heaped praise on Volodymyr Zelensky for his calculated drone assault plan - but warned it has only made a raging Vladimir Putin even crazier.

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"We knew everything, and I tried to save Iran humiliation and death. I tried to save them very hard because I would have loved to have seen a deal worked out,"

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Trump says US 'had nothing to do with the attack on Iran' as nuclear talks are called off

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Who does he think he's fooling? His problem is, he'll climb onboard whichever side if an argument he thinks is winning that moment. He hates to be SEEN AS losing. So instead of actually coming up with a winning plan, he threatens and pretends to negotiate. In reality, he's just along for the ride.

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I think you may be looking at all of this through a far too conventional lens.

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Israel's attack on Iran won't give Trump leverage, unless we manage to overturn the Iranian government completely.

And I smell a lot of "if" coming off that plan.

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Did you notice the close parallel between Israel's actions and Ukraine's? Both are USA proxies. Both are in negotiations, and both attacked while negotiating and literally a day before the next scheduled negotiation.

So, when it was widely thought that Israel engineered a lightning victory, Trump was happy to claim credit. After a phone call from Putin, Trump is reduced to diasvowing, whining, and threatening.

Somebody, take his access to Truth Social away from him! He's his own worst enemy, and he would help his Presidency immensely if he'd just STFU.

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Oh, I'm skeptical about the "reasons" for the war.

This time, someone convinced Trump that striking Iran with missiles and drones will give him "leverage" in "negotiations" about Iranian "nuclear weapons". Very similar to him being convinced that attacking Russia's nuclear assets would force Russia to agree cease fire.

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I don't think anybody convinced him about anything.

Whether or not Trump knew that Israel was going to do this beforehand, this DID give him leverage with negotiations with Iran on nuclear weapons. I'd say it's given him leverage with any negotiations with them on any topic. The only question is, is this now taking advantage of a fortunate opportunity, or was Trump behind it?

That's really not a question I want to know the answer to because if it comes out that Trump was behind it and Iran finds out about it that's bad news for everyone. Better for everyone not to know.

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Like Biden and Ukraine. Biden would draw red line after red line for his admin, only to cave a few months later.

Different Presidents.

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You don't know what Trump is thinking anymore than Ted does.

Why do you think that Trump likes Jews, just because his son-in-law was a Jew? I've had plenty of family schisms over the generations in my own family just because of who people have chosen to marry. Some people tolerate things they can't agree with while others blow things up about it.

All I'm saying is that pretty much everyone who has said anything about Trump or his motives or his words or even his actions have ultimately been wrong once everything has played out.

And claim that Trump is all about his own Ego all you want, but at the end of the day America is already 1,000% better off right now than it was 6 months ago, and I don't see any reason to believe that's going to stop tomorrow, regardless of whatever headlines are being written or whatever fearmongering the media from any side says about anything.

Things ARE working out for the better right now. And people like Ted and Second HATE this because their party has never been weaker in their entire lifetime than it is right now, and if things continue to get better then the Democrats will just continue to lose power and relevance.

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Sonar21

A Son of the New American Revolution
Donald Trump Doubles Down on Crazy

16 June 2025 by Larry C. Johnson 282 Comments

Clean up in aisle five. Someone needs to tackle Donald Trump and confiscate his phone. He should not be allowed to post on Truth Social until some adult with a measure of common sense has a chance to review prospective Trump posts. Roughly sixteen million people live in the Tehran metropolitan area. Where would they go? This post by Trump has caused many around the world to take a hard gulp and wonder if Trump is serious. Telegram channels are spinning frantically with claims, non-verified, that the US is going to attack Iran, but the White House has issued a denial. Take that with a hefty grain of salt.

The White House tried to downplay Trump’s remark by claiming that Trump’s post calling for the immediate evacuation of Tehran reflects his desire to urgently bring Iran back to the negotiating table. I’m not sure there is enough lipstick in Washington to cover this pig and make it look beautiful. However, Trump reportedly wants J.D. Vance and Steve Witkoff to meet later this week with Iranian officials… just one more example of the schizoid behavior of Trump. I don’t know about you, but I am growing weary of his clownish behavior.

The chaos in the Trump White House is not confined to the Iran/Israel war. Maria Zakharova, the spokeswoman for the Russian Foreign Ministry, made the following announcement around 4 pm Moscow time:

Today, the next meeting within the framework of bilateral consultations on eliminating irritants in order to normalize the activities of diplomatic missions of both countries has been canceled at the initiative of American negotiators. We hope that the pause they took will not be too long.

I think Putin and his foreign policy team understand that Trump is a flake and are responding calmly, at least in public, to Donald’s contradictory words and actions. Russia is still ready to intercede with Iran and Israel in hopes of securing a ceasefire, but the Kremlin first has to figure out what Donald Trump’s policy is — i.e., war or peace.

The irrationality of the West with respect to Iran is illustrated by the following facts:

* Iran:
Does not possess nuclear weapons.
Is a party to the NPT (Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons).
Allows IAEA inspections.
Reports on the movement of enriched uranium.
Under constant international pressure and sanctions.
Declared a threat – only for the potential possibility of creating nuclear weapons.

* Israel:
De facto possesses a nuclear arsenal (estimates: ~80-200 warheads).Did not sign the NPT.
Does not allow international inspectors.
Completely classifies the nuclear program.
Receives support and military assistance from the West.
Declared a “stronghold of democracy” and allegedly a victim.

In other words, Iran, the one country that does not have a nuke and is abiding by international law governing nuclear weapons, is the villain, while Israel, who is flouting those laws, is being treated as the victim. Yeah, that makes sense.

Speaking of making sense, Tucker Carlson had the audacity to point out that Trump’s support of Israel’s war on Iran borders is political suicide for Trump. Instead of thanking Tucker for the warning, Trump attacked Carlson:



Yeah, Tucker should give up his internet platform, which attracts millions of views, and get back on some irrelevant network that only attracts less than a million viewers. Gotta give Trump credit… he has a knack for posting some really stupid tweets.

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You don't know what Trump is thinking anymore than Ted does.

Why do you think that Trump likes Jews, just because his son-in-law was a Jew? I've had plenty of family schisms over the generations in my own family just because of who people have chosen to marry. Some people tolerate things they can't agree with while others blow things up about it.

All I'm saying is that pretty much everyone who has said anything about Trump or his motives or his words or even his actions have ultimately been wrong once everything has played out.

And claim that Trump is all about his own Ego all you want, but at the end of the day America is already 1,000% better off right now than it was 6 months ago, and I don't see any reason to believe that's going to stop tomorrow, regardless of whatever headlines are being written or whatever fearmongering the media from any side says about anything.

Things ARE working out for the better right now. And people like Ted and Second HATE this because their party has never been weaker in their entire lifetime than it is right now, and if things continue to get better then the Democrats will just continue to lose power and relevance.

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I think Trump likes ISRAEL bc he's committed himself over and over, thru two admins so far, that he supports Israel. It's a constant with him.

In some ways things are better

The flood of illegals is stopped
The DEI/LGBTQ+ nonsense seems to be slowing down
Inflation is down
We DO seem to be edging out of Ukraine.

1000% better? Hardly

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You don't know what Trump is thinking anymore than Ted does.

Why do you think that Trump likes Jews, just because his son-in-law was a Jew? I've had plenty of family schisms over the generations in my own family just because of who people have chosen to marry. Some people tolerate things they can't agree with while others blow things up about it.

All I'm saying is that pretty much everyone who has said anything about Trump or his motives or his words or even his actions have ultimately been wrong once everything has played out.

And claim that Trump is all about his own Ego all you want, but at the end of the day America is already 1,000% better off right now than it was 6 months ago, and I don't see any reason to believe that's going to stop tomorrow, regardless of whatever headlines are being written or whatever fearmongering the media from any side says about anything.

Things ARE working out for the better right now. And people like Ted and Second HATE this because their party has never been weaker in their entire lifetime than it is right now, and if things continue to get better then the Democrats will just continue to lose power and relevance.

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I think Trump likes ISRAEL bc he's committed himself over and over, thru two admins so far, that he supports Israel. It's a constant with him.

In some ways things are better

The flood of illegals is stopped
The DEI/LGBTQ+ nonsense seems to be slowing down
Inflation is down
We DO seem to be edging out of Ukraine.

1000% better? Hardly

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