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'Tase me Bro...I deserve it...'
Thursday, November 1, 2007 4:43 PM
RUE
I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!
Thursday, November 1, 2007 4:50 PM
CAUSAL
Thursday, November 1, 2007 6:08 PM
Thursday, November 1, 2007 7:34 PM
JARHEAD
Thursday, November 1, 2007 8:27 PM
SERGEANTX
Quote:Originally posted by jarhead: My position on tasers are that they are the better alternative to what the cops would otherwise do. You take their tasers and they will start doing real damage when none is called for. Coming up with "more restrictive guidelines" won't help, because it didn't help before they had tasers. Hell, the use of ANY force is supposed to be restricted already.
Friday, November 2, 2007 1:50 AM
LEADB
Quote:"Neither would slow starvation (before actual death)" If the guy is kept hydrated and then properly brought back to health I'm not quite okay with it, but I'll tolerate it if the person in question probably has useful intel that could prevent Americans from suffering. Again, it's permanent injury and death that I have the biggest issue with.
Friday, November 2, 2007 3:16 AM
Friday, November 2, 2007 3:33 AM
SIGNYM
I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.
Quote:Second, real torture involves actually injury, something that leaves scars and/or permanent disability.
Friday, November 2, 2007 7:02 AM
FREMDFIRMA
Friday, November 2, 2007 8:17 AM
Friday, November 2, 2007 11:46 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SergeantX: So, is this notion that it isn't really torture unless there is physical damage, really part of the debate? If so, then we've already taken an giant step into the abyss. I can think of all kinds of things that are cruel and painful beyond measure that don't result in physical injury. It sounds like we're playing games with the terminology to rationalize away the fact that we've become what we've always despised.
Friday, November 2, 2007 12:09 PM
Friday, November 2, 2007 1:10 PM
Friday, November 2, 2007 4:25 PM
HKCAVALIER
Friday, November 2, 2007 5:43 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SergeantX: Not 'aimed' Just sayin' is all. It just seems creepy that we're trying to find all these loopholes that allow us to 'torture but not'.
Friday, November 2, 2007 5:56 PM
Friday, November 2, 2007 6:45 PM
Quote:Originally posted by jarhead: It's for a lot more practical reason than you would think. You have to know where the line is before you can determine if you've crossed it or not. It really isn't any more complicated than that.
Friday, November 2, 2007 8:11 PM
Quote:Originally posted by jarhead: And sorry, but torture really is about information.
Quote:If there is information to get, it can be gotten.
Quote:Otherwise there really isn't a need to expend the effort,
Quote:listen to the endless debate,
Quote:go through inspections and file the reports and the red tape that never ends.
Quote:In a war zone, if the person really needs to extract revenge, express hostility, {insert catchy psychobabble}, there are ways available with much higher body counts that actually draw less attention.
Friday, November 2, 2007 10:03 PM
Friday, November 2, 2007 10:14 PM
Quote:Originally posted by HKCavalier: Quote:Originally posted by jarhead: And sorry, but torture really is about information.You know if you say something often enough it comes true!
Quote:Originally posted by HKCavalier: Quote:If there is information to get, it can be gotten. More cheaply and more reliably by other means. The information gained from torture is mostly useless. So why are we using torture, again?
Quote:Originally posted by HKCavalier: Quote:Otherwise there really isn't a need to expend the effort,Torture is an end in itself.
Quote:Originally posted by HKCavalier: Quote:listen to the endless debate,They don't listen to the debate: "I'm not going to make decisions based on focus groups!"
Quote:Originally posted by HKCavalier: Quote:go through inspections and file the reports and the red tape that never ends.Who's filing the reports on our torture activities? Where are these reports?
Quote:Originally posted by HKCavalier: Quote:In a war zone, if the person really needs to extract revenge, express hostility, {insert catchy psychobabble}, there are ways available with much higher body counts that actually draw less attention. Your contempt for the study of human motivation and psychology is noted. Have a nice day. HKCavalier
Saturday, November 3, 2007 3:50 AM
Saturday, November 3, 2007 5:45 AM
Saturday, November 3, 2007 6:53 AM
Quote:Originally posted by leadb: I have no personal experience with torture.
Quote:Originally posted by leadb: 2. Torture does not yield information quickly
Quote:Originally posted by leadb: Although eventually everyone will confess to something, it takes a lot of time. We know that many militaries and radical groups train their members to resist torture and to pass along false pieces of information during the process. And those with strong religious or political beliefs that help them understand the purposes of torture used against them are most able to resist and to recover from its impact.
Saturday, November 3, 2007 7:24 AM
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