Traitor Bergdahl released by AURaptor

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I'm Adama, and you know it.

Maybe from 'Galactica 1980'....

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Monday, June 2, 2014 11:14 PM

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Sorry, try again. This has been debunked. Once again, you are demonstrably in error... yadda yadda.

Thanks.

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Monday, June 2, 2014 11:23 PM

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... yadda yadda.

Thanks.

Talk to the Zee.

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Monday, June 2, 2014 11:25 PM

JONGSSTRAW

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I don't know where it came from.
Your many posts where you called bullshit on either side of the aisle. Like I said, we may disagree in the details, but the picture as a whole is painfully clear.
You are Starbuck to my Apollo,, I guess.

Well that makes you quite perceptive. I'll fly with you any time. (But tell me again why I can't ever press the IM button?)

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Monday, June 2, 2014 11:47 PM

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(But tell me again why I can't ever press the IM button?)

Press it, just don't have anyone right on your tail.

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Tuesday, June 3, 2014 4:50 AM

SHINYGOODGUY

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Abandoned his post, in the middle of the night, and gets " caught " by the Taliban .

Complete dirtbag is now being praised as some sort of hero.

He ain't.

How many aren't coming home because they died while looking for this coward ?

Is that the official story then. And the facts have been thoroughly investigated to determine that this soldier, held captive for 5 years, abandoned his post and betrayed his country. Was this the official position of the Army?

So those 5 years of torturous existence wasn't punishment enough for his alleged traitorous act? So now he should be subjected to a trial? Or did that happen already and I missed it? Here in this country there is such a thing as due process, remember that. I mean, we had a cowardly act performed right here in our country when an unarmed teenager was shot dead in cold blood, and that "American" (after much protest) was tried in a court of law.

Could someone explain to me how the rights of this American disappear?
Somehow that just doesn't seem American, to just label this man a coward and a traitor without an investigation and trial. Hell, we give more rights to criminal behavior than we do to someone with the balls to go over there in get in harm's way.

Strange days indeed!

SGG

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Tuesday, June 3, 2014 6:02 AM

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How is it against anyone's " rights " to call them a deserter and traitor ?

Explain which 'rights' of Bowe have been denied him, and by whom.

This was nothing but a gorram photo op for an administration that's had a shite week on the PR dept.( VA scandal )

Oh, & Obama did this illegally. SOS .

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Tuesday, June 3, 2014 10:28 AM

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Oh, & Obama did this illegally. SOS .

There's two possible things you could mean by this.

Ted Cruz said it's "illegal" for the president and state department to "negotiate with terrorists." Which is incorrect. It's a violation of common sense, but there's been no legislation about that, and as such it's not illegal.

The other possibility is you're referring to a 30-day notice to congress about releasing Gitmo prisoners, which was supposedly ignored due to health concerns for the sergeant. There is legal controversy over this particular requirement. And since pretty much everyone hates red tape and bureaucracy, you'd probably be better focusing on the nature of the released detainees.

It's obvious you're trying to build an impeachment case, but impeachment requires a high crime or misdemeanor. The "crime" in question here would be the statutory violation of this notice requirement, not the transfer of prisoners itself, which is what I've heard people arguing constitutes a high crime against the nation but which is legal. Part of any president's war powers is that they are able to negotiate prisoner transfers.

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Tuesday, June 3, 2014 10:35 AM

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The 30 day notice, which Obama signed himself!!!

It's a non debatable matter - he broke the law. Period.

The bs about Bergdahl's health is just PR spin. This admin needed yet another diversion to move the VA scandal off the front page. And it's backfiring.

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Tuesday, June 3, 2014 10:38 AM

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The 30 day notice, which Obama signed himself!!!

It's a non debatable matter - he broke the law. Period.

Uh no. Not period. As I said, there's lots of legal question and controversy about that particular requirement.

And it still stands that's really not a sufficient violation to bring up impeachment charges. Though I have no doubt you and your ilk will try. I'd even wish you luck. Obama Sucks.

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The bs about Bergdahl's health is just PR spin. This admin needed yet another diversion to move the VA scandal off the front page. And it's backfiring.

Well, that's true.

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Tuesday, June 3, 2014 10:59 AM

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Yes, " period ", he broke the law. End of discussion.

And I'm not the one who brought up impeachment. That was you.

The House GOP are too chicken shite to try, & about the ony way Harry Reid would let the Senate follow through is if Obama was running a meth lab/ child sex den in the White House.

And even then, " maybe ".

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Tuesday, June 3, 2014 11:25 AM

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Yes, " period ", he broke the law. End of discussion.

We'll see what the courts decide, it's sounding like this is going to be the incentive for some of the courts to test whether that requirement was constitutional or not.

The law isn't a hard and fast thing, and it's always changing, as you know. Frankly, I get the sense that most of this is Washington politics and one side testing the limits of the other side. I'm not sure ignoring that statute is really a "crime" in the sense that it affects anyone. Certainly it's nowhere near embezzlement or laundering money or gun running or wiretapping or other debacles this administration is responsible for.

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And I'm not the one who brought up impeachment. That was you.

Well, no, lots of other people in different places than this board brought up impeachment, and considering the direction of your argument was somewhat parallel, I thought that's where you were going as well.

If I was mistaken I apologize. I suppose I should actually allow people to make the arguments they are intending to make instead of anticipating those arguments and making them for them.

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Tuesday, June 3, 2014 11:46 AM

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The law is pretty specific. And Obama himself signed this law.

Obama making a signing statement isn't the same as him changing the law. Though he prolly thinks it is.

* again, not just MY opinion.

CNN Legal Analyst Calls Out Obama on the Air: ‘You’re Accusing the President of the United States of Breaking the Law’

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/06/02/cnn-legal-analyst-calls-out
-obama-on-the-air-youre-accusing-the-president-of-the-united-states-of-breaking-the-law/

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Tuesday, June 3, 2014 11:53 AM

JONGSSTRAW

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.. about the ony way Harry Reid would let the Senate follow through is if Obama was running a meth lab/ child sex den in the White House.

And even then, " maybe ".

Nah, Reid still would never do it. But fortunately, his days as Majority Leader are numbered.

Yesterday's White House spectacle was such a disgrace as I've never seen in my life. Clueless cocksucker President parades out the anti-American Taliban sympathizer father who wouldn't shave his Taliban solidarity beard even for a trip to the White House. Then the piece of shit father praises Allah and thanks the Taliban in front of the Commander In Sheep's clothing.

And for the rest of the day the Obama ball-powdering loyal lackeys Susan Rice, Jay Carney, and Chuck Hagel are on tv explaining how this was NOT negotiating with terrorists. They kept saying how it's America's policy to bring home our POWs. But they never addressed WHO and HOW MANY they traded for this dumb asshole deserter. Who knows what the Taliban demanded for his release, but whatever it was, Obama decided to give up 5 top Taliban commanders who've committed mass genocide instead. Maybe they wanted Beyonce.

Also ... where were the parents of all those that died trying to find this deserter, and where were the parents of those that died capturing these Taliban leaders? I wonder how they feel today. I wonder why they didn't get invited to the Rose Garden.

Obama has now given great aid and comfort to our military enemy during a war. What is that the definition of again? Oh, that's right ... TREASON.

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Tuesday, June 3, 2014 12:56 PM

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Oh my

Rob Lowe on Obama Negotiating With Terrorists: ‘Sadly, I Smell A Fish’

http://www.tpnn.com/2014/06/03/rob-lowe-on-obama-negotiating-with-terr
orists-sadly-i-smell-a-fish/

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Tuesday, June 3, 2014 1:03 PM

Huhh... There actually really is only one side of the media pursuing the Bismallah ir whatever thing.

Which means either the others are sweeping it under the rug, or there's been some clever video-editing going on. Not sure which right now.

It's also possible that he just used the phrase for diplomatic reasons, or for the benefit of his son who no longer speaks English. The meaning of the phrase is supposedly just a thank you to God which in English wouldn't be abnormal in a Christian setting.

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Tuesday, June 3, 2014 1:20 PM

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Idk what ya mean Byte. Even Chris Matthews @ msnbc is cross with Barry

Oh, nvrmnd . You were talkin about the dad's comments ?

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Tuesday, June 3, 2014 1:33 PM

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Oh, nvrmnd . You were talkin about the dad's comments ?

Yep. Still not entirely sure that any of them are pro-Taliban. Like the dad is a Calvinist, supposedly that's the reason for the beard.

There are still alternate explanations. There is enough here that I'm beginning to wonder, but not enough to say who is right.

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Tuesday, June 3, 2014 1:51 PM

"Sir, Bergdahl just walked off muttering stuff about not coming back..."
"Ah well, we saw this coming, I guess."
"Should we send some teams out to look for him, sir?"
"What? And risk lives for that chump? Fuck 'im."

So, tell me again why it didn't go down like THAT?

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Tuesday, June 3, 2014 2:13 PM

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Chris - why wonder about what might/could have happened instead of what literally DID ?

Imagination & fiction are fun, but I wonder about folks who fail to fully process reality before traipsing off into story book land.

Try collating data first, mmkay?

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Tuesday, June 3, 2014 2:30 PM

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Chris - why wonder about what might/could have happened instead of

Okay, so once again you're too fucking stupid to answer my question.
Maybe someone else can.

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Tuesday, June 3, 2014 2:39 PM

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And now you're getting angry over your inability or unwillingness to learn the facts...
Sorry I upset you.

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Tuesday, June 3, 2014 2:42 PM

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And now you're getting angry over your inability or unwillingness to learn the facts...

No, I see a response so I think it's someone answering my question or makin' a new comment & it's just YOU playing with yourself again. You don't seem to even be aware there WAS a question in my post. Dolt.

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Tuesday, June 3, 2014 3:19 PM

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I try not to answer inane questions.

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Tuesday, June 3, 2014 3:28 PM

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I try not to answer inane questions.

Oh then, please point out to my precisely *WHAT* about my question was inane.
But you can't/wont. Either you can't identify the question, or you now realize that answering will make you look like a dope again.

So, anyone else care to 'clue' me in?

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Tuesday, June 3, 2014 3:48 PM

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Because duty & honor don't allow us to abandon one of our own, even when they desert.

Not that you'd understand .

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Tuesday, June 3, 2014 4:04 PM

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Because duty & honor don't allow us to abandon one of our own, even when they desert.

So, in your opinion he's an evil dirtbag, but worth losing a few good men to try & find. Huh.
And here I thought that it may be that deserters needed to be brought back for disciplinary action. But he was promoted in absentia... why was he promoted if everyone thought he'd deserted?
This whole thing makes no sense.

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Tuesday, June 3, 2014 6:40 PM

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Because duty & honor don't allow us to abandon one of our own, even when they desert.
So, in your opinion he's an evil dirtbag, but worth losing a few good men to try & find. Huh.

Not MY opinion, but it seems to be the code of the military. Go figure.

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And here I thought that it may be that deserters needed to be brought back for disciplinary action. But he was promoted in absentia... why was he promoted if everyone thought he'd deserted?
This whole thing makes no sense.

That does seem odd. He clearly deserted his post, and yet Susan Rice , unbelievably, claimed this POS served with honor and dignity. See how this works ? If you make PFC Bergdahl look good, give him a promotion, then you can hold him up as a gorram hero. Even when he's not. The WH has been pushing for this , against the wishes of BOTH PARTIES in Congress, for up to 3 years.

( Gee, amazing timing for all this though, what with the VA scandal, high level resignations and all, don't ya think ? )

This is all about the puppet theatre and hoisting a fabricated story onto a somnambulant public.

Most aren't taking kindly to the charade.

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Tuesday, June 3, 2014 6:47 PM

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Oh my

Rob Lowe on Obama Negotiating With Terrorists: ‘Sadly, I Smell A Fish’

http://www.tpnn.com/2014/06/03/rob-lowe-on-obama-negotiating-with-terr
orists-sadly-i-smell-a-fish/

Wow, that is really nothing.

Actually, it's quite a big deal.

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I have not done a lot of reading on this...

Yeah, I kinda gathered .

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I understand not leaving a guy behind, but this is way over the top of that. How long do we search for civilians? When do you stop saying, "those guys sure are dedicated to each other," and start saying, "that was reckless and unnecessary endangerment of our forces for one lone soldier." Do you think Obama gave those orders or the local military?

Kinda like all that man power, time and effort wasted looking for some Malaysian airliner, huh?

And by the " local " military, I assume you mean the US forces on the ground. I suspect the latter, as that's kinda what they do.

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Tuesday, June 3, 2014 6:49 PM

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This is all about the puppet theatre and hoisting a fabricated story onto a somnambulant public.

This I can agree to.
Candidly, it sounds like he went a little kooky & bailed not even THINKING he might be captured by the Taliban. And his father? Just weird, I'm thinking Mel Gibson's Dad here. So, Obama got a messed-up kid home, THAT should be the story IMO. And fucking take that promotion off his record. That's just nonsense.

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Tuesday, June 3, 2014 6:52 PM

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Kinda like all that man power, time and effort wasted looking for some Malaysian airliner, huh?

That's a rather disingenuous comparison, isn't it? Who died looking for that plane?

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Tuesday, June 3, 2014 6:57 PM

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Soldiers who were in his unit or have been there actually have said such feelings of disillusion aren't unheard of. But that's kinda part of the military life, one which they ALL freely signed up for,even if they may not have fully understood what it may mean.

In such cases, some say screw the mission, screw the C.O., screw all that rah-rah crap that may have been what brought them there, but at the very least, you're in it for the guys around you. You watch their back, they watch yours, and everyone comes home.

Bergdahl said 'screw you' to his own mates, as well as screw America. he's not even worth a head slap by the great General Patton.

If he's not dishonorably discharged, at the very least, it could get ugly.

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Tuesday, June 3, 2014 7:01 PM

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Kinda like all that man power, time and effort wasted looking for some Malaysian airliner, huh?
That's a rather disingenuous comparison, isn't it? Who died looking for that plane?

Dunno. Who died while men and machines were out looking in the vast emptiness of the ocean , on a wild goose chase, when those resources could have been used otherwise ?

I thought the original question was absurd, and showed a vast disconnect from the reality of what our military, any military would do, in a similar situation.

Leave no man behind. It's sorta been a not so secret motto for a while now. I guess it actually still means something.

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Tuesday, June 3, 2014 7:22 PM

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Leave no man behind. It's sorta been a not so secret motto for a while now. I guess it actually still means something.

Well, leave no EVIL man behind, anyway. And he wasn't evil, just messed up...

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Tuesday, June 3, 2014 7:27 PM

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If he's not dishonorably discharged, at the very least, it could get ugly.

I actually think that's pretty fair. People make mistakes where other people die all the time, and this doesn't seem like he premeditated his squadmates dying.

He wanted out of the military and the military was displeased by his quality of service. Dishonorable discharge makes sense to me and works for everyone.

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Tuesday, June 3, 2014 7:40 PM

Suddenly, this RWED thread is too full of civility & respectful agreement.
I'm outta here.

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Tuesday, June 3, 2014 10:12 PM

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Tuesday, June 3, 2014 10:25 PM

And I'm back.
This is the Clinton sex scandal all over again. Obama doesn't have the guts to admit what he did and that it was breaking a law. If he just said, "I did it, so what? I rescued a POW. Show me a President that never broke a 'law'. Ronald Reagan, anyone?" at least he'd be honest and bold about it.

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Wednesday, June 4, 2014 4:21 AM

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What with all the howling, some points to make...

Yanno, the reason prisoners are taken and exchanged has nothing to do with morality, it has to do with encouraging the other guys to do so, cause if we stop.. or say, start grabbing random guys and TORTURING them, and stuff....
Just sayin.

As for walking out on a command structure you feel has betrayed you, yeah, let's talk about that... LETS....
See, once upon a long goddamn time ago, some of the folk I worked for got orders to directly support the motherfucking Contras, and some of those folk, being disposable type grunts of dubious political loyalties who knew a little too much about what was really going on (and fuck YOU, LTC North!) were pushed into a little more direct action than we believed should be taken.

And we walked.

Of course, given the nature of that particular fiasco *at the time* (was considered a "conspiracy theory" till it all came out for real) they couldn't very well fry those guys without revealing what was going on, and they couldn't even have em whacked, cause those WERE the guys what did the whacking... so they just pretended it never happened, and put the lot of them on inactive reserve... for all eternity.

Loyalty is a chain that goes in TWO directions, and since there hasn't been ANY coming back down for a long, long time, don't expect me to get any kind of upset when some poor fucked grunt realizes how screwed he is and the shit sandwich which is gonna be his future and says "Fuck This Noise".
Hell, if ENOUGH of em did that we wouldn't be in this mess in the first damn place.

And if you wanna scrub it all right down to the nitty gritty, the orders he was under were illegal in the first fucking place, which means under the UCMJ, if you wanted to get all particular - he ain't the one in the wrong.

Think about THAT, for a lil bit of time, will you ?

-Frem

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Wednesday, June 4, 2014 5:59 AM

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Love the lunatics who come out of the wood work to some how defend their dear leader by justifying this because of alleged past wrongs.

Shows a basic inability for some to process reality.

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Wednesday, June 4, 2014 7:38 AM

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Love the lunatics who come out of the wood work to some how defend their dear leader

Once again your filters limit your intelligence here and you fucking don't understand a thing you're reading or commenting on, but what the fuck else is new? All we ever get from you is broad sweeping strokes about "OUR" messiah, but the fact that he's NO ONE's hero here, and in fact most peeps here are fairly upset with him just doesn't compute for you, because it takes the teeth out of your anti-Muslim/Obama tirades, and since that's all you presently LIVE for, you become blind to the actual meaning of anything being said here, and just fall back on your same old comfortable and irrelevant bullshit.
The last couple of posts don't concern 'defending' Barry in any way, yet you NEED to see a connection of some kind.
To survive.

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Wednesday, June 4, 2014 7:48 AM

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And if you wanna scrub it all right down to the nitty gritty, the orders he was under were illegal in the first fucking place, which means under the UCMJ, if you wanted to get all particular - he ain't the one in the wrong.

Think about THAT, for a lil bit of time, will you ?

Frem, I appreciate you comments and your personal story here. To people stuck in ignorance without a sense of history or an actual awareness of the Uniform Code of Military Justice, your entire post is merely some kind of coded gibberish, but then you already know this.
Carry on, my man!

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Wednesday, June 4, 2014 8:28 AM

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To the contrary G, . Lowe, though maybe not part of the screaming far-Left in Hollywood, still isn't going to be confused as a GOP hack. That he's taking such a public stand on this matter is telling.

Too little, too much .. If that's the sum if your understanding of what is taking place in the world, then you're more ignorant than I had thought.

Wasting time with the uninformed isn't happening . Aloha.

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Wednesday, June 4, 2014 8:33 AM

Another blurry, nebulous post, brimming with faux-superiority and revealing nothing of any informational value. Your track record is safe, AU.

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Wednesday, June 4, 2014 9:59 AM

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Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

LOL!
First laugh of the day! It's always good to start out with a smile. THANKS!

OONJERAH - We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.

"You, who live in any kind of comfort or convenience, do not know how these people can survive these things, do you? They will endure because there is no immediate escape from endurance. Some will die, the rest must live."

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Wednesday, June 4, 2014 9:59 AM

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The idea of Hillary in the WH (place your obvious jokes here) and having to watch 8 more years of this same kind of mindless attack obsession that puts the parties and country in a mutual headlock, is almost too much to bear.

Don't worry, I don't think the next Prez will be a Dum, it will almost certainly be a Pug.

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Wednesday, June 4, 2014 10:49 AM

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Another blurry, nebulous post, brimming with faux-superiority and revealing nothing of any informational value. Your track record is safe, AU.

Pretty clear, Chris . And nothing faux about the facts , genius.
You can't deny, dispute or defend , so you prattle on with humorless noise.

Thanks, but not interested.

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Wednesday, June 4, 2014 11:05 AM

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You can't deny, dispute or defend , so you prattle on with humorless noise.

Deny, dispute or defend WHAT? If you post shit all I can do is notice its stench.

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Rapcrap
Love the lunatics who come out of the wood work to some how defend their dear leader by justifying this because of alleged past wrongs.

Shows a basic inability for some to process reality.
To the contrary G, . Lowe, though maybe not part of the screaming far-Left in Hollywood, still isn't going to be confused as a GOP hack. That he's taking such a public stand on this matter is telling.

Too little, too much .. If that's the sum if your understanding of what is taking place in the world, then you're more ignorant than I had thought.

Wasting time with the uninformed isn't happening . Aloha.

Where in this self-serving mess is there anything to respond intelligently to?

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Wednesday, June 4, 2014 11:42 AM

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You're intentionally trying to distract away from the primary topic. Troll.

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Wednesday, June 4, 2014 12:34 PM