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Ex-Biden staffer Deterrian Jones and David Hogg, the new vice chair of the Democratic National Committee, were captured on video by Project Veritas talking out of shop about the "shadowy, Wizard of Oz-type figure" who "wielded an enormous amount of power" in the Biden White House: Jill Biden's chief of staff, Anthony Bernal.

"I think the fact of the matter is the DNC is always going to be a campaign arm of the president, ultimately," Hogg said. "The bigger issue was like the inner circle that was around Biden... Like Jill Biden's chief of staff had an enormous amount of power."

"That was like an open secret," Jones said. "I would avoid him, he was scary. Anthony Bernal."


"He's like a shadowy Wizard of Oz type figure," Jones said. "The general public wouldn't know how this man looked, but he wielded an enormous amount of power. I can't stress to you enough how much power he had at the White House."

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