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That Uplifting Tweet You Just Shared? A Russian Troll Sent It
Monday, November 25, 2019 4:34 PM
CAPTAINCRUNCH
... stay crunchy...
Monday, November 25, 2019 5:45 PM
SIGNYM
I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.
Monday, November 25, 2019 5:54 PM
Monday, November 25, 2019 8:09 PM
6IXSTRINGJACK
Tuesday, November 26, 2019 12:05 AM
WISHIMAY
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: If you keep focusing on highly emotional but pointless topics and ignoring important things
Tuesday, November 26, 2019 12:24 AM
Quote:Originally posted by captaincrunch: As good marketers, professional trolls manipulate our emotions subtly. In fall 2018, for example, a Russian account we identified called @PoliteMelanie re-crafted an old urban legend, tweeting: “My cousin is studying sociology in university. Last week she and her classmates polled over 1,000 conservative Christians. ‘What would you do if you discovered that your child was a homo sapiens?’ 55% said they would disown them and force them to leave their home.” This tweet, which suggested conservative Christians are not only homophobic but also ignorant, was subtle enough to not feel overtly hateful, but was also aimed directly at multiple cultural stress points, driving a wedge at the point where religiosity and ideology meet. The tweet was also wildly successful, receiving more than 90,000 retweets and nearly 300,000 likes.
Tuesday, November 26, 2019 1:37 AM
Quote:Originally posted by WISHIMAY: Quote:Originally posted by captaincrunch: As good marketers, professional trolls manipulate our emotions subtly. In fall 2018, for example, a Russian account we identified called @PoliteMelanie re-crafted an old urban legend, tweeting: “My cousin is studying sociology in university. Last week she and her classmates polled over 1,000 conservative Christians. ‘What would you do if you discovered that your child was a homo sapiens?’ 55% said they would disown them and force them to leave their home.” This tweet, which suggested conservative Christians are not only homophobic but also ignorant, was subtle enough to not feel overtly hateful, but was also aimed directly at multiple cultural stress points, driving a wedge at the point where religiosity and ideology meet. The tweet was also wildly successful, receiving more than 90,000 retweets and nearly 300,000 likes. Yeah, this one isn't false...back when kiddo was in school she was in several plays and hubbs -being the joker he is- decided to tell several people that his kid is a "thespian". At LEAST 3/4 of them looked shocked and asked if he was ok with that. As in, they were serious. A few years ago we had a Native American sticker on the back of our car (hubbs' mom had told him he was N.A. since he was born but 23nMe says she lied her Trump supporting ass off...I know, SHOCKER) and one day a guy saw it and asked hubbs about it... "Yer part Indian??" "Yeah...?" "How come you don't act like it?" "You mean run around whooping and scalping people????????" I shit you not. Jokes on them, he prolly would if he could Some of these people are amazing in that they make it through a week with all their fingers and toes
Tuesday, November 26, 2019 1:46 AM
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Tuesday, November 26, 2019 3:48 AM
SHINYGOODGUY
Tuesday, November 26, 2019 8:49 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: I thought about what that article is really saying. What is it trying to get people to DO?
Tuesday, November 26, 2019 9:14 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Professional trolls, on the other hand, are the tip of the spear in the new digital, ideological battleground. (Assertion without evidence) To combat the threat (Assumption without evidence)
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: inspiring messages like this were a tool for a very different purpose. (Assertion without evidence)
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: ... we believe... we believe... seems to ... we think... disinformation... Distrust... spin... manipulate our emotions... (Be afraid. Be very afraid)
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Importantly, they highlighted issues of race and gender inequality. (Hmmm, sounds like the entire slate of Dem candidates)
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: ... while these tweets point to valid issues of concern — issues that have been central to important social movements like Black Lives Matter and #MeToo — they are framed to serve Russia’s interests in undermining Americans’ trust in our institutions... (So don't believe anything bad about our government or media?)
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: ... Recently, Vice President Biden(vote for Biden)
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: The quality of Russia’s work has been honed over several years and millions of social media posts. They have appeared on Instagram, Stitcher, Reddit, Google+, Tumblr, Medium, Vine, Meetup, and even Pokémon Go, demonstrating not only a nihilistic creativity, but also a ruthless efficiency in volume of production. (Facts? Figures?)
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: ... they are undoubtedly ... (Undoubtedly?)
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: They attack issues from both sides, attempting to drive mainstream viewpoints in polar and extreme directions. (Sounds like the DNC)
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: But we need to learn to question our own and others’ biases on social media. We need to teach — to individuals of all ages — that we shouldn’t simply believe or repost anonymous users because they used the same hashtag we did, and neither should we accuse them of being a Russian bot simply because we disagree with their perspective. (Great! When are you going to file that advice?)
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: We need to teach digital civility... (And some people spend here should start practicing it) ... after he is gone... (Which is why I've been saying STOP FOCUSING ON IDENTITY POLITICS. STOP FOCUSING ON TRUMP. STOP FOCUSING ON RUSSIA. WHAT WE NEED TO BE SKIING OURSELVES IS "WHAT ARE AMERICA'S INTERESTS?")
Tuesday, November 26, 2019 9:42 AM
THG
Tuesday, November 26, 2019 10:18 AM
Tuesday, November 26, 2019 10:19 AM
Quote: In a free society, we must accept that bad actors will try to take advantage of our openness. But we need to learn to question our own and others’ biases on social media. We need to teach — to individuals of all ages — that we shouldn’t simply believe or repost anonymous users because they used the same hashtag we did, and neither should we accuse them of being a Russian bot simply because we disagree with their perspective. We need to teach digital civility. It will not only weaken foreign efforts, but it will also help us better engage online with our neighbors, especially the ones we disagree with.
Quote: further widen existing divisions in the American public and decrease our faith and trust in institutions that help maintain a strong democracy
Quote: vilify our neighbor and amplify our differences
Quote: [attack] moderate politicians [like Joe Biden] as a method of bolstering more polarizing candidates.
Tuesday, November 26, 2019 10:33 AM
Tuesday, November 26, 2019 1:27 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: I'm just glad that Hunter Thompson isn't around to see what has happened to the Rolling Stone.
Tuesday, November 26, 2019 1:30 PM
Tuesday, November 26, 2019 1:33 PM
Tuesday, November 26, 2019 1:38 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: After having pounded on the Russian boogeyman* in all eleven paragraphs...
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote:In a free society, we must accept that bad actors will try to take advantage of our openness. But we need to learn to question our own and others’ biases on social media. We need to teach — to individuals of all ages — that we shouldn’t simply believe or repost anonymous users because they used the same hashtag we did, and neither should we accuse them of being a Russian bot simply because we disagree with their perspective. We need to teach digital civility. It will not only weaken foreign efforts, but it will also help us better engage online with our neighbors, especially the ones we disagree with. We must fight the IRA by resisting the urge to Quote: further widen existing divisions in the American public and decrease our faith and trust in institutions that help maintain a strong democracy and not to Quote: vilify our neighbor and amplify our differences and not Quote: [attack] moderate politicians [like Joe Biden] as a method of bolstering more polarizing candidates. Gee, CC, they're sending you the message but you refuse to get the memo! Better step in line because ... RUSSIA!!!
Quote:In a free society, we must accept that bad actors will try to take advantage of our openness. But we need to learn to question our own and others’ biases on social media. We need to teach — to individuals of all ages — that we shouldn’t simply believe or repost anonymous users because they used the same hashtag we did, and neither should we accuse them of being a Russian bot simply because we disagree with their perspective. We need to teach digital civility. It will not only weaken foreign efforts, but it will also help us better engage online with our neighbors, especially the ones we disagree with.
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: *Just as an aside, for a group that claims to have been studying Russian disinformation for "years", you'd think that they'd at least cite their results published in a paper or presented in conference; or sprinkle a few numbers into their article; or at least explain their methodology.
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Instead, they begin their article by citing probably the worst example one can come up with: an account which tweeted an uplifting story about a real event, which they (apparently) ASSUME is Russian - not because the account engaged in any nefarious activity or passed on any fake news or even riled people up, but (again, apparently) simply because it was anonymous.
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Wow, if that's all it takes to be "Russian" according to them, no wonder they see Russians behind every tree and shrub! Maybe they have a more credible process for detecting "Russian-ess", because if they do they might want to explain that in more detail. It would give their premise a shred of credibility when (so far) it has none.
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: But back to my original point: These are USELESS discussions. This whole issue (Russians in social media) would go away if we stopped talking about it and stopped reacting emotionally/gullibly, and instead focused on real issues of real importance.
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Or, let me put it to you THIS way ... Russia is doing pretty well despite pressure from the west because they spend all of their time thinking about what is good for Russia and reaching out - even to nations which have killed their soldiers, such as Turkey and Israel- by being reliable partners and sticking to their agreements; and acting in measured and thoughtful ways, and not wasting their revenues on budget-busting wars and hundreds of military installations abroad.
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: How about it, CC? How about we discuss the paths by which the USA can do BETTER, instead of constantly focusing on bullshit? Because, yanno .... RUSSIA!
Tuesday, November 26, 2019 2:20 PM
Tuesday, November 26, 2019 3:26 PM
1KIKI
Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.
Quote: https://www.davidpuente.it/blog/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/Linvill_Warren_TrollFactory.pdf Abstract We document methods employed by Russia’s Internet Research Agency to influence the political agenda of the United States from June 19, 2015 to December 31, 2017. Using the Social Studio social media listening platform, we downloaded tweets from handles identified by Twitter as being associated with the Agency.
Quote: We identified five handle categories: right troll, left troll, news feed, hashtag gamer, and fearmonger. Within each type, accounts were used consistently, but the behavior across types was radically different, both in terms of “normal” daily behavior and in how they responded to external events. In this sense, the Internet Research Agency’s agenda-building effort was “industrial”--mass produced from a system of interchangeable parts, where each class of part fulfilled a specialized function.
Tuesday, November 26, 2019 5:15 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Sounds like her mother-in-law is a regular Elizabeth Warren too.
Tuesday, November 26, 2019 5:23 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: Nowhere in the paper do they describe how these "Russians" are identified.
Tuesday, November 26, 2019 5:26 PM
Quote:Originally posted by WISHIMAY: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Sounds like her mother-in-law is a regular Elizabeth Warren too. Except Warren ACTUALLY HAD an N.A. ancestor and my TRUMP SUPPORTING MOTHER IN LAW DOESN'T. I know you don't have the cognitive function to differentiate the two because of all the cult-washing, so I've spelled that out for you.
Tuesday, November 26, 2019 5:39 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Quote:Originally posted by WISHIMAY: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Sounds like her mother-in-law is a regular Elizabeth Warren too. Except Warren ACTUALLY HAD an N.A. ancestor and my TRUMP SUPPORTING MOTHER IN LAW DOESN'T. I know you don't have the cognitive function to differentiate the two because of all the cult-washing, so I've spelled that out for you. Ummmmm... No. She didn't. Do Right, Be Right. :)
Tuesday, November 26, 2019 5:50 PM
Quote:Originally posted by captaincrunch: You type so much and say so little. Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: After having pounded on the Russian boogeyman* in all eleven paragraphs... It's actually an article about Russia, so... Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote:In a free society, we must accept that bad actors will try to take advantage of our openness. But we need to learn to question our own and others’ biases on social media. We need to teach — to individuals of all ages — that we shouldn’t simply believe or repost anonymous users because they used the same hashtag we did, and neither should we accuse them of being a Russian bot simply because we disagree with their perspective. We need to teach digital civility. It will not only weaken foreign efforts, but it will also help us better engage online with our neighbors, especially the ones we disagree with. We must fight the IRA by resisting the urge to Quote: further widen existing divisions in the American public and decrease our faith and trust in institutions that help maintain a strong democracy and not to Quote: vilify our neighbor and amplify our differences and not Quote: [attack] moderate politicians [like Joe Biden] as a method of bolstering more polarizing candidates. Gee, CC, they're sending you the message but you refuse to get the memo! Better step in line because ... RUSSIA!!! Exactly, advice from experts and not you - easy choice. Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: *Just as an aside, for a group that claims to have been studying Russian disinformation for "years", you'd think that they'd at least cite their results published in a paper or presented in conference; or sprinkle a few numbers into their article; or at least explain their methodology. Share their methodology with everyone??? That's incredibly naive. I didn't think you were that simple. Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Instead, they begin their article by citing probably the worst example one can come up with: an account which tweeted an uplifting story about a real event, which they (apparently) ASSUME is Russian - not because the account engaged in any nefarious activity or passed on any fake news or even riled people up, but (again, apparently) simply because it was anonymous. ^Pretty embarrassing how you missed the whole point. Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Wow, if that's all it takes to be "Russian" according to them, no wonder they see Russians behind every tree and shrub! Maybe they have a more credible process for detecting "Russian-ess", because if they do they might want to explain that in more detail. It would give their premise a shred of credibility when (so far) it has none. Share their methodology publicly so the IRA can morph and change their approach? Stupid that. Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: But back to my original point: These are USELESS discussions. This whole issue (Russians in social media) would go away if we stopped talking about it and stopped reacting emotionally/gullibly, and instead focused on real issues of real importance. Do you have any evidence for that? Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Or, let me put it to you THIS way ... Russia is doing pretty well despite pressure from the west because they spend all of their time thinking about what is good for Russia and reaching out - even to nations which have killed their soldiers, such as Turkey and Israel- by being reliable partners and sticking to their agreements; and acting in measured and thoughtful ways, and not wasting their revenues on budget-busting wars and hundreds of military installations abroad. Using proxy fighters to wage war is pretty economical, I'll give them that. So is using Ruski nerds to hack computer systems. It's brilliant and pretty, literally bullet proof. We should do it! F*ck nukes. Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: How about it, CC? How about we discuss the paths by which the USA can do BETTER, instead of constantly focusing on bullshit? Because, yanno .... RUSSIA! I tried and you failed. I asked if you thought it was in America's best interest to make sure Russia didn't hack any of our elections. I guess got my answer.
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Wednesday, November 27, 2019 3:03 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: It could have all been a conveniently sure way of laying claim to a family myth that everyone used else to say with a shrug, or even a wink. It could have been a complete fabrication. Or it could have been her god's truth understanding of what she was told. Until somebody goes back to dig deep (before all first-hand accounts of her siblings, aunts, and uncles have died), we'll never know. There are far worse things to be umbrageous about. Just my opinion, of course. And - aside from Gabbard - if you're at all curious about who I trust more between Sanders and Warren - it's Sanders - if only because he's been saying the same thing far longer. He doesn't sway in the breeze of opinion polls.
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