Fort McMuray fire: wow, that sucks by SIGNYM

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Fort McMuray fire: wow, that sucks

POSTED BY: SIGNYM
UPDATED: Monday, June 27, 2016 09:24
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Saturday, May 7, 2016 8:49 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

It's hard for me to imagine the size of the Fort McMurray fire. Here in CA, we have fires all the time, and people who choose to build right next to nature?
meh
*shoulder shrug*

But this video really brought home to me what the fire was like, and impelled me to consider that Fort McMurray is (was) almost the size of my town.

These homeowners had left their iPhone video on ... the lights were on, the fishtank was bubbling, and they could see how the fire devoured their well-kept home from the outside...

Turn your sound up: the noises are faint at first. Pay attention to what's going on outside the windows. At some point, the power goes out and the remainder is on battery ...

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Saturday, May 7, 2016 5:39 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

OMG. It's horrifying.

The recorded voice that belongs to the smoke alarm was saying 'there's smoke in the hallway'.

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

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Monday, May 9, 2016 10:39 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Yeah, smoke in the hallway and fire raging at the livingroom windows. That recorded voice, under the circumstances, just added a whole 'nother layer of creepiness to the horror.

BRENDA- I didn't know there WAS a "fire season" in Canada. I knew there were the plains states, but I thought all the areas with trees were usually wet enough not to burn regularly.

So, what are the areas that are prone to fire?

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You can't build a nation with bombs. You can't create a society with guns.

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Monday, May 9, 2016 4:49 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Brenda

I'm curious - is the fire unusual in terms of location, timing or magnitude?

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Monday, May 9, 2016 5:40 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

http://www.theweathernetwork.com/news/articles/fort-mcmurray-fire-forc
es-state-of-emergency-evacuations/67196

Sunday, May 8, 2016, 9:54 AM - The Fort McMurray fire continues to ravage communities and officials estimate it has now covered over 200,000 hectares. ... In a typical fire season, about 300 hectares burn in wildfires by early May in Alberta.

http://phys.org/news/2016-05-fort-mcmurray-blaze-extreme-wildfires.htm
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Fort McMurray blaze among most 'extreme' of wildfires, says researcher
"This one is one of the more extreme fires I've ever seen. It's on the upper scale of intense fires," he tells a reporter that same day.
In terms of weather, Alberta had a mild, dry winter and spring, likely attributed to El Niño, where warmer than normal temperatures over the Pacific Ocean influence weather elsewhere. A recent El Niño year, 1997–98, was bad for wildfires, Flannigan explains, and so far this year Alberta has had 374 wildfires compared with 173 this time last year (as of May 6).

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Monday, May 9, 2016 10:10 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Hey Brenda

THANKS! so much! I really appreciate your perspective.

If you were to ask me about what's normal for So Cal, I could tell you pretty well. But with the news out of Canada, I have no - and I mean that literally - idea what kind of context it has.

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Tuesday, May 10, 2016 7:32 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

That was tough to watch.

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Wednesday, May 11, 2016 7:12 PM

JAYNEZTOWN

the scale of it insane, some of the footage I seen online is very scary

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Wednesday, May 11, 2016 11:35 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

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Sunday, June 5, 2016 3:12 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

That IS good news! Occasionally there'd be stories about how the fire'd flared up again ... and again, but, by report, well away from homes. Still, I'm guessing it was intermittently active enough and close enough that they thought it could flare up and return at any time. But now, it's finally over. It's hard to believe it's been a month.

Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

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Sunday, June 5, 2016 5:03 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

FWIW many of our larger fires here smolder underground in tree roots for months at a time, until a good rain (which we've been desperately short of the past few years) puts them out. I read that they were thinking the same thing could happen with that fire.

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Sunday, June 5, 2016 8:53 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Thanks Brenda, for sharing your knowledge in such a timely way!

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Saturday, June 11, 2016 1:57 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

People and nature, spared.

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You can't build a nation with bombs. You can't create a society with guns.

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Saturday, June 11, 2016 2:58 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

What happy news, Brenda!

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Tuesday, June 21, 2016 5:55 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

As temperatures smashed old records here in So Cal http://ktla.com/2016/06/20/record-breaking-heat-expected-as-temps-fore
cast-to-top-120-in-parts-of-socal/ two fires to the northwest of me - the closest one 4 miles away - merged into one. http://www.foxla.com/news/local-news/163207914-story

The huge smoke plume, visible from 70 miles away, pushed eastward and over my neighborhood. So for me, driving north to get home was like driving into Mordor. On the drive, looking west along the foothills, I could see a canyon in flames, where the fire had come down out of the hills and was moving within a block or two of a neighborhood. At home the air smells of smoke and I can taste it on my lips.

Nevertheless, I BELIEVE my neighborhood is safe - though Fort McMurray was an eye opener about how hard it is to predict what a fire can and can not do.

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Tuesday, June 21, 2016 6:39 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Meanwhile, I've been hearing heavy duty copters and fixed-wing aircraft flying overhead during the night. They may be trying to gain ground on the fire at night while the weather is cooler and the winds are calm. Since Bonelli Park is just to the south, and I know they've gotten water from the small lake there for past fires, they may be loading up and making water drops.

We'll see what the am news says.

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Tuesday, June 21, 2016 1:09 PM

REAVERFAN

I'm very bummed about it. I was hoping to move back to Cali someday, but between the droughts, fires and super hot summers, the west will become a wasteland. Millions of people will have to leave due to the lack of water.

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Sunday, June 26, 2016 3:05 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

A day or so after I posted, the weather cooled down considerably, and firefighters were able to prevent wildland fire intrusion into major communities - favorable winds also helped.

Today while I was at Ace Hardware I saw a skycrane waterdropping helicopter with snorkel

overhead going in the direction of the (small) Bonelli Park Reservoir.

Obviously they are fighting some wildland fire nearby. I didn't find any information about new fires, but I did find that as of today, the previous two fires which were combined for identification purposes and renamed the San Gabriel Complex Fire is only 65% contained. http://inciweb.nwcg.gov/incident/4801/

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Sunday, June 26, 2016 5:25 PM

REAVERFAN

The west will burn up and not grow back. I'll miss it.

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Sunday, June 26, 2016 5:37 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

The possibility that the southwest and midwest will have a megadrought before 2100 is now 80%.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2015/02/150212-megadrought-sou
thwest-water-climate-environment/

And while people can save water, use solar, or otherwise adapt - I think about the forests and prairies and the wildlife, and it's heartbreaking. Also, enraging. We COULD have done differently. But it wasn't profitable for the corporations that run our country.

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