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Original NSA Whistleblower: I Saw The Order To Wiretap Barack Obama In 2004

POSTED BY: NIKI2
UPDATED: Monday, June 24, 2013 08:12
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Sunday, June 23, 2013 6:32 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


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Russ Tice worked as an offensive National Security Agency (NSA) agent from 2002 to 2005, before becoming a source for this Pulitzer Prize-winning New York Times article exposing NSA domestic spying.

This week he appeared on the Boiling Frogs Show and detailed how he had his hands "in the nitty-gritty, the nuts and bolts" during his 20 years as a U.S. intelligence analyst.

Tice claimed that he held NSA wiretap orders targeting numerous members of the U.S. government, including one for a young senator from Illinois named Barack Obama.

"In the summer of 2004, one of the papers that I held in my hand was to wiretap a bunch of numbers associated with a forty-some-year-old senator from Illinois. You wouldn't happen to know where that guy lives now would you? It's a big White House in Washington D.C. That's who the NSA went after. That's the President of the United States now."

Tice added that he also saw orders to spy on Hillary Clinton, Senators John McCain and Diane Feinstein, then-Secretary of State Colin Powell, Gen. David Petraeus, and a current Supreme Court Justice.

That sounds like a lot of abuse of the rules that govern NSA domestic spying. And that's exactly what Tice is claiming.

"The abuse is rampant and everyone is pretending that it's never happened, and it couldn't happen. ... I know [there was abuse] because I had my hands on the papers for these sorts of things: They went after high-ranking military officers; they went after members of congress — Senate and the House — especially on the intelligence committees and the armed services committees, lawyers, law firms, judges, State Department officials, part of the White House, multinational companies, financial firms, NGOs, civil rights groups ..."

That's an astonishing claim. And here's the kicker, according to Tice: "Outrageous abuses ... have happened, and it's all being kept hush hush." http://www.businessinsider.com/the-nsa-spied-on-barack-obama-2004-russ
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Yeah, it's all Obama's fault...nothing bad ever happened until HE was in office...

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Sunday, June 23, 2013 9:23 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


What?! Nobody is interested in the nefarious goings on of the NSA before Obama came into office?

Not good enough fodder for a "scandal", eh?


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Sunday, June 23, 2013 11:53 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


"Tice claimed that he held NSA wiretap orders targeting numerous members of the U.S. government ..."

Who issues the orders, I wonder.

But what I wonder even more is who approved the program ...

http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=55442


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Monday, June 24, 2013 2:54 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)





The response from the right will be:

1) You're lying.

2) It never happened.

3) QUIT BLAMING BUSH!

4) It's all in the past, so why worry about it now?



#4 is really the stupidest argument ever made, because by that standard, no crime would ever be investigated or punished, since by definition, every single thing that has ever happened in the universe happened "in the past".



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Monday, June 24, 2013 8:12 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


No, Mike, I think more likely there will be NO response from "the right"--unless it's some meaningless snark. They would rather put up threads about how horrible Obama is, how everything bad that happens is Obama's personal fault, from every direction and every permutation, than address the reality that the NSA has had too much power for a long time, has abused it for a long time, and should be dealt with.

After all, they're looking forward to when it's a Republican administration, at which time they'll once again have NO problem with it abusing its privileges.


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