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Sunday, August 5, 2012 11:57 AM
MAL4PREZ
Sunday, August 5, 2012 12:20 PM
WHOZIT
Quote:Originally posted by MAL4PREZ: Whoa boy. A "white man in his thirties" opens fire at a Sikh service in Wisconsin. I won't post links, because it's all over the internet. First: what the hell? Second: the gun control debate continues... Third: oh, the religion. Hard to say for sure until more facts are known about the shooter, but it does seem likely that this was some nut who believes "towel-on-head" equals terrorist. Perhaps this horrific event will get the Righties to stop with the hate-mongering? Maybe? Any chance?
Sunday, August 5, 2012 12:25 PM
Sunday, August 5, 2012 12:30 PM
Quote:Originally posted by whozit: ...and may get you lefties to stop blaming righties before you learn the facts. Was this guy in the "Tea Party" or a left-wing wacko?
Sunday, August 5, 2012 12:42 PM
MAGONSDAUGHTER
Quote:At least seven people are thought to have been killed, including a suspect, in another mass shooting in the United States, this time at a Sikh temple in the Milwaukee suburb of Oak Creek in the state of Wisconsin. A police officer responded to an “unintelligible” emergency call at around 10.20 am, only to be shot several times on arrival. The officer, a 20-year police veteran, managed to shoot his assailant and is now in surgery. The suspect is thought to be dead and remains at the scene outside the temple. It is thought four people have been killed inside the temple and two more outside. ‘‘We are treating it as a domestic terrorist incident and therefore the FBI has the resources,’’ Edwards said, explaining why agents from the Federal Bureau of Investigation had joined the investigation. ‘‘Domestic terrorism is terrorism within the confines of the United States. It is within the United States,’’ he said, recounting how his officers had rushed to the scene of the attack on the suburban temple. ‘‘What we had happen is our officers responded to a 911 call. The officers stopped this from being worse than it could have been,’’ he said. Armed police outside the temple. Armed police outside the temple. Photo: AP ‘‘Our officers responded to the scene and did find a victim and we are dealing with that individual. A 20-year veteran was ambushed, shot multiple times. We expect him to recover,’’ Edwards said. As news broke family and friends gathered outside the temple, a priest hiding in a bathroom was able to contact the son of a wounded victim by phone. Family, friends and media outside were warned not to call those who remained inside for fear their phones could give away their hiding places. It was not until around 2.40pm US Central Time (5.30am this morning in Sydney), that police said they believed only one gunman was involved in the shooting, though the search of the temple continues. Media have been asked not to show live footage of SWAT teams around the temple. There is no known motive for the attack, but many Sikhs using social media say the believe the temple may have been targeted in the mistaken belief the Sikhs were Afghani Muslims. When the attack began the congregation was beginning to gather for its Sunday worship, would have been attended by up to 500 people by 11am, followed by a community lunch in the early afternoon. It is thought that at present the witnesses are being interviewed in the basement of the temple, while there are unconfirmed the assailant was a Caucasian male in his 30s. It is thought three people, including the police officer, are being treated for gunshot wounds in hospital. US President Barack Obama says he and first lady Michelle Obama are ‘‘deeply saddened’’ by the shooting. In a statement issued by the White House, Obama tells the people of Oak Creek, Wisconsin that ‘‘the American people have them in our thoughts and prayers’’. He stresses ‘‘how much our country has been enriched by Sikhs’’ whom he describes as ‘‘part of our broader American family’’. ‘‘Our hearts go out to the families and friends of those who were killed and wounded.’’ The president says his administration will provide ‘‘whatever support is necessary’’ to those investigating the shooting.
Sunday, August 5, 2012 1:10 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Magonsdaughter: And before anyone gets carried away with some Muslim connection, these people are Sikhs. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Sikhism
Sunday, August 5, 2012 1:20 PM
Sunday, August 5, 2012 1:32 PM
Sunday, August 5, 2012 1:55 PM
Sunday, August 5, 2012 2:22 PM
WULFENSTAR
http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg
Sunday, August 5, 2012 2:31 PM
Sunday, August 5, 2012 3:17 PM
HKCAVALIER
Sunday, August 5, 2012 5:52 PM
Monday, August 6, 2012 6:34 AM
NIKI2
Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...
Monday, August 6, 2012 6:45 AM
Quote:The man who shot six people to death and wounded three others during a rampage at a Sikh temple in a Milwaukee suburb was an Army veteran who may have been a white supremacist, according to information from authorities and neighbors. ..... According to Edwards, police have received information that the suspect "may have been involved in" the white supremacist movement, but he added it remains unconfirmed. ..... Two neighbors of (the man) identified him in photos that showed him playing in the far-right punk band "End Apathy," and the nephew of the slain president of the Sikh temple said the attacker had a 9/11 tattoo on his arm. ..... (The shooter) was born on Veterans Day in 1971, joined the Army in 1992 and left the service in 1998, said information from Army Spokesman George Wright. According to a Pentagon official, (he) was discharged from military service in 1998 for "patterns of misconduct." One law enforcement official said (he) legally owned the gun used in the shooting. ..... The suspect had a criminal record, Edwards said. A background check showed (he) had separate convictions for DUI in Colorado in 1999 and for criminal mischief in Texas in 1994. ..... A 9 mm semiautomatic pistol believed to have been used by the gunman was found at the scene, a law enforcement source with direct knowledge of the investigation said.
Monday, August 6, 2012 7:54 AM
Quote:Sikh temple shooter: decorated Army veteran on watchlist for 10 years (The man) who officials say shot and killed six people in a shooting at a Sikh temple Sunday in Wisconsin, was a decorated Army veteran psychological warfare specialist and white supremacist who has been watched with concern by anti-hate groups for more than 10 years. A member of a racist skinhead punk band, (he) had also tried to make purchases from the National Alliance, a neo-Nazi organization, according to Heidi Beirich, director of the the Intelligence Program at the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC). "We've been tracking him for more than a decade," says Ms. Beirich. The SPLC has long warned of the dangerous ties between white supremacist groups and the US military. "We know there have been a lot of white supremacists in the military," Beirich adds. The problem was a source of particular concern for the SPLC in mid-2000s, when the civil rights group warned the US military about a spate of extremist activity among US forces in 2006. At that time, the Pentagon "steadfastly denied that a problem existed and insisted that its ‘zero tolerance’ policy was sufficient to keep organized racists out of its ranks,” according to the SPLC. The problem was that while the US military had banned “active participation” in extremist groups, it did not specify prohibitions against, for example, posting to white supremacist social media pages. In November 2009, the US military changed its policy to specify that service members “must not actively advocate supremacist doctrine, ideology or causes” or “otherwise advance efforts to deprive individuals of their civil rights.” The new rules further specified, according to the SPLC, that active participation included recruiting, fundraising, training, or distributing supremacist material, including online posts. Three years earlier, in 2006, the SPLC had published “A few Bad Men,” a report noting that “large numbers” of neo-Nazi skinheads were joining the armed forces “to acquire combat and weapons training--skills that could be used to commit terrorist acts against targets in the US.” As evidence of the danger these groups pose, the SPLC noted in a report noted that Matt Buschbacher, a Navy SEAL, attended a 2002 conference of the National Alliance. The group’s late leader was the author of the Turner Diaries, the race war novel used by Timothy McVeigh as the blueprint for the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing. Though the SPLC alerted military officials to Buschbacher’s activities, “he was allowed to complete his tour of duty in Iraq and even given an honorable discharge,” according to the SPLC. (He) served as a psychological operations specialist in the US Army from April 1992 to October 1998. Before he left the Army at the rank of Specialist, he had received five Army Achievement Medals, two Army Good Conduct medals, and an Army Commendation Medal. White Supremacist groups including the National Alliance continue to have active “outreach programs” to recruit members of the US military into their organizations, says Beirich. “They have literally reached out to people from the military to come work for them,” Beirich adds, noting that the groups prize the fighting and training expertise that potential recruits develop in the US military. “It is a really scary problem,” she says. “We know this stuff goes on.” http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Military/2012/0806/Sikh-temple-shooter-decorated-Army-veteran-on-watchlist-for-10-years
Monday, August 6, 2012 10:44 AM
KWICKO
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)
Monday, August 6, 2012 2:24 PM
Monday, August 6, 2012 4:26 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Guy sounds pretty much like Wulfie (well, except for the veteran part...). Go figure. Is anyone really surprised that this guy was a hardcore right-winger and Stormfront supporter?
Monday, August 6, 2012 5:08 PM
Quote:Originally posted by WULFENSTAR: Nice, Kwick. You prove how loving and tolerant "liberals" are. IF, I start fighting a war.. you'll know it. And it won't be against the innocent... it will be against people like you.
Monday, August 6, 2012 5:11 PM
Quote:Originally posted by WULFENSTAR: Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Guy sounds pretty much like Wulfie (well, except for the veteran part...). Go figure. Is anyone really surprised that this guy was a hardcore right-winger and Stormfront supporter? Nice, Kwick. You prove how loving and tolerant "liberals" are. IF, I start fighting a war.. you'll know it. And it won't be against the innocent... it will be against people like you.
Monday, August 6, 2012 11:43 PM
FREMDFIRMA
Tuesday, August 7, 2012 4:30 AM
CAVETROLL
Tuesday, August 7, 2012 5:57 AM
Quote:IF, I start fighting a war.. you'll know it. And it won't be against the innocent... it will be against people like you.
Quote:Amardeep Kaleka told Anderson Cooper people called to tell him that his father saved many lives Sunday. Earlier Monday, the son said he was not surprised his father tried to stop the gunman at a Sikh temple in Wisconsin. "It's an amazing act of heroism, but it's also exactly who he was," Amardeep Kaleka told CNN Milwaukee affiliate WTMJ. "There was no way in God's green Earth that he would allow somebody to come in and do that without trying his best to stop it." Amardeep Kaleka told CNN that the FBI told him his father attacked the shooter in the lobby, resulting in a "blood struggle." A knife close to the victim's body showed blood on it, he said. "From what we understand, he basically fought to the very end and suffered gunshot wounds while trying to take down the gunman," said Kanwardeep Singh Kaleka, Satwant's nephew.
Quote:Several years ago, Satwant Singh Kaleka put a large American flag in the front of his yard, raising the eyebrows of his children, who thought it might be considered an eyesore. Kaleka pointed out there were no homes nearby with flags, and he wanted to show that the United States was a land of opportunity, said his son, Amardeep Kaleka.
Quote:The Rev. Paul Armstrong of Oak Creek Community United Methodist Church, site of a Monday evening prayer vigil, said the diverse array of faiths in the community have an opportunity to further deepen bonds. "There's a few of us who will be calling folks together to organize some more interfaith services," he told CNN. "Being in mission to the world is something we share," Armstrong said of his faith and the Sikh community. "Their hospitality is wonderful. That is something the Christian community is called to do." The vigil was held outdoors, and a survivor of the temple shooting spoke, according to Armstrong. "The focus was to express our sorrow and that all of us can be lights of the world," he said. Navdeep Singh, a policy adviser to the Sikh American Legal Defense and Education Fund, says Sikhs believe in freedom of religion, community service and inclusiveness. At temples, or gurdwaras, where Sikhs hold services, everyone is welcome. "You can come and be equal," he says.
Tuesday, August 7, 2012 6:05 AM
AURAPTOR
America loves a winner!
Tuesday, August 7, 2012 8:34 AM
Quote:Investigators spent Monday trying to figure out what led 40-year-old Wade Michael Page from repairing missiles for the Army to a Sikh temple in suburban Milwaukee, where he was killed by police at the end of a Sunday morning rampage. The shaven-headed Page, whose tattoos included the Celtic cross adopted by white supremacist groups, had been the front man for a white-power rock band called "End Apathy" for several years. Two former neighbors identified him from photos on the band's MySpace page. Christopher Robillard of Oregon, who described Page as "my closest friend" in the service more than a decade ago, said Page was pushed out of the military for showing up to formation drunk. He described Page as "a very kind, very smart individual -- loved his friends. One of those guys with a soft spot." But even then, Page "was involved with white supremacy," Robillard said. "He would talk about the racial holy war, like he wanted it to come," Robillard said. "But to me, he didn't seem like the type of person to go out and hurt people." Page moved back to Denver after his discharge, where he had a tough time in civilian life "and was basically living on the street," Robillard said. It was during that period that Page joined a "racist band" and started to get his body inked, his Army buddy told CNN. "I asked him why he was aligning himself with this stuff," Robillard said. "He really didn't answer. He would duck it." End Apathy played gigs in North Carolina and in the Midwest, he said. While Page shared the stage with many similar bands, he wasn't a movement leader and doesn't appear to have been involved in any criminal acts, said Mark Potok, who tracks hate groups for the Southern Poverty Law Center in Alabama. Nevertheless, Potok called Page "a neo-Nazi skinhead in the very thick of the white supremacist movement." In a statement posted on its website Monday, the band's imprint, Label 56, said it had removed "all images and products related to End Apathy." "We do not wish to profit from this tragedy financially or with publicity," it added. "In closing, please do not take what Wade did as honorable or respectable and please do not think we are all like that."
Tuesday, August 7, 2012 3:57 PM
Friday, August 10, 2012 2:45 AM
6IXSTRINGJACK
Quote:Originally posted by MAL4PREZ: And of course I have to say, because the NRA types will assume I said it if I don't spell it out clearly (and sometimes that doesn't even work!) I do NOT think that 100% gun control is the solution. I believe folks have the right to own guns, with reasonable limits. But I do not believe that a sixup in every hand will solve this problem.
Tuesday, August 14, 2012 8:31 PM
RIONAEIRE
Beir bua agus beannacht
Wednesday, August 15, 2012 2:46 AM
GEEZER
Keep the Shiny side up
Quote:Originally posted by RionaEire: That's awful, how can people hate that much?
Wednesday, August 15, 2012 3:24 AM
Wednesday, August 15, 2012 5:04 AM
Wednesday, August 15, 2012 12:06 PM
Quote: The alleged shooter, whose name was not released to media by mid-afternoon, entered the conservative group’s downtown Washington building and opened fire. D.C. Police Chief Cathy Lanier called the guard a hero for subduing the shooter who allegedly expressed disagreement with FRC’s views. Investigators have not determined a motive. “We don’t know enough about him or his circumstances to determine what his connection is to this group [the research council] or his mental state, or what he was doing or thinking of doing,” said James McJunkin, the head of the FBI’s Washington Field Office. “So we’re going to try to sort this all out, pull the evidence together, do all the interviews we can.” A law enforcement official said the gunman carried a bag containing a Chick-Fil-A bag; the fast-food company’s leader recently expressed views against same-sex marriage similar to those embraced by FRC. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/under-god/post/family-research-council-shooting-injures-security-guard-at-dc-office/2012/08/15/037223a0-e71a-11e1-8f62-58260e3940a0_blog.html
Wednesday, August 15, 2012 12:31 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Left wing nut case w/ a gun ... say it ain't so ! Sadly, it is.
Wednesday, August 15, 2012 12:41 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Geezer: Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Left wing nut case w/ a gun ... say it ain't so ! Sadly, it is. But reportedly environmentally conscious. He apparently parked his car at a suburban Metro station and took the subway downtown to his shooting.
Wednesday, August 15, 2012 1:40 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Left wing nut case w/ a gun ... say it ain't so ! Sadly, it is. Quote: The alleged shooter, whose name was not released to media by mid-afternoon, entered the conservative group’s downtown Washington building and opened fire. D.C. Police Chief Cathy Lanier called the guard a hero for subduing the shooter who allegedly expressed disagreement with FRC’s views. Investigators have not determined a motive. “We don’t know enough about him or his circumstances to determine what his connection is to this group [the research council] or his mental state, or what he was doing or thinking of doing,” said James McJunkin, the head of the FBI’s Washington Field Office. “So we’re going to try to sort this all out, pull the evidence together, do all the interviews we can.” A law enforcement official said the gunman carried a bag containing a Chick-Fil-A bag; the fast-food company’s leader recently expressed views against same-sex marriage similar to those embraced by FRC. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/under-god/post/family-research-council-shooting-injures-security-guard-at-dc-office/2012/08/15/037223a0-e71a-11e1-8f62-58260e3940a0_blog.html Once again, we see how the Left are the very things they accuse the Right of being, over and over again.
Wednesday, August 15, 2012 1:57 PM
Wednesday, August 15, 2012 2:06 PM
CHRISISALL
Wednesday, August 15, 2012 2:54 PM
Wednesday, August 15, 2012 2:56 PM
Quote: “Wonder how long it’ll take for the GOP to politicize a shooting at FRC?” posted one tweeter.
Wednesday, August 15, 2012 4:12 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Yup, he opened fire on a constable, and he was apparently a right-wing zealot. It's funny, really - when a Muslim does it, it has to be terrorism. When a black guy does it, it has to be because he's a thug or a gang member. But when a right-wing white guy does it... ... Oh, he's "mentally disturbed". So what is it that you think confirms his craziness? The shootings, or the right-wing ass-hattery? Or does the latter tend to lead into the former?
Wednesday, August 15, 2012 4:13 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Quote: “Wonder how long it’ll take for the GOP to politicize a shooting at FRC?” posted one tweeter. Looks like just a matter of a couple hours.
Wednesday, August 15, 2012 4:15 PM
Quote:Originally posted by chrisisall: Rappy Rappy Rappy, your calm, remember your calm.
Wednesday, August 15, 2012 4:37 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Pointless, Chrissy. Left wingers, faced with the facts, will still refuse to acknowledge reality, no matter how calm I remain.
Wednesday, August 15, 2012 4:50 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: So what is it that you think confirms his craziness? The shootings, or the right-wing ass-hattery? Or does the latter tend to lead into the former?
Wednesday, August 15, 2012 5:00 PM
Wednesday, August 15, 2012 5:02 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: I like smackin' 'em.
Thursday, August 16, 2012 12:38 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Look at his "Likes" and tell me he wasn't a right-winger. "Sarah Palin for President 2012"? http://www.facebook.com/thomas.caffall/favorites
Thursday, August 16, 2012 12:49 AM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Look at his "Likes" and tell me he wasn't a right-winger. "Sarah Palin for President 2012"? http://www.facebook.com/thomas.caffall/favorites False conclusion you're attempting to make, that this had anything to do w/ his shooting spree. HE ALSO LIKED FIREFLY!!!!!!!!!
Thursday, August 16, 2012 12:54 AM
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