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The President's Plan for Economic Growth and Deficit Reduction
Tuesday, September 20, 2011 3:03 AM
GEEZER
Keep the Shiny side up
Tuesday, September 20, 2011 3:17 AM
SIGNYM
I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.
Tuesday, September 20, 2011 3:34 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SignyM: My reasoning is that if businesses are also people, they should be taxed like people.
Tuesday, September 20, 2011 3:43 AM
Tuesday, September 20, 2011 5:50 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SignyM: No, Geezer, if businesses are also people ... with privacy rights, and "free speech" ... they should be taxed like ordinary wage earners, who are (in effect) the smallest of all subcontracting units.
Tuesday, September 20, 2011 10:59 AM
NIKI2
Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...
Tuesday, September 20, 2011 1:11 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: That doesn't work, Geezer. If corporations are "people", you can only compare corporate taxes to those of the BUSINESS the small-business owner runs, not the individual themselves, because if corporations are "individuals", so are small businesses.
Tuesday, September 20, 2011 6:14 PM
Tuesday, September 20, 2011 7:18 PM
KWICKO
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)
Quote:Originally posted by SignyM: Geezer: The comparison of corporations to people is not "my" conceit, it is that of the right-wing. If corporations are people, according to Mtt Romney, then people are corporations. That's what happens when you put an equal sign between two terms- you make them equivalent. Now, corporations spend money to make money. I spend money to make money. They buy or rent buildings for production and storage. I buy or rent buildings for production, or storage. They need to buy materials and fuel. I need to buy materials and fuel. They need communications. I need communication. They need heating and cooling. I need heating and cooling. They need to upgrade, I need to upgrade. I even need employees of my own. How am I NOT risking my capital? Now you may claim that some of my expenses are ... well, expensive. But I'm not asking for private jets or cristal champagne or team-building exercises in Cancun, so I guess what's necessary is all in the eye of the beholder, innit?
Tuesday, September 20, 2011 9:27 PM
1KIKI
Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.
Thursday, September 22, 2011 2:48 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SignyM: Geezer: The comparison of corporations to people is not "my" conceit, it is that of the right-wing.
Thursday, September 22, 2011 3:42 AM
Quote:Do you realize that in this sense, corporations ARE people; the employees and the investors (and at one remove, the customers)?
Thursday, September 22, 2011 5:33 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SignyM: Quote:Do you realize that in this sense, corporations ARE people; the employees and the investors (and at one remove, the customers)? In that sense? Well, in your kind of sense governments are people too.
Thursday, September 22, 2011 6:56 AM
M52NICKERSON
DALEK!
Thursday, September 22, 2011 8:02 AM
STORYMARK
Quote:Originally posted by Geezer: Quote:Originally posted by SignyM: My reasoning is that if businesses are also people, they should be taxed like people. They are. Businesses are taxed pretty much like any self-employed individual. They subtract expenses from gross income to arrive at taxable income. See an IRS Schedule C or Schedule F for the kinds of expenses they can deduct. http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f1040sc.pdf http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f1040sf.pdf "Keep the Shiny side up"
Thursday, September 22, 2011 8:24 AM
BYTEMITE
Thursday, September 22, 2011 9:02 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Storymark:
Thursday, September 22, 2011 9:03 AM
Quote:Originally posted by m52nickerson: There is a mark difference between "are people" and "made up of people". I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
Thursday, September 22, 2011 10:31 AM
Thursday, September 22, 2011 12:17 PM
DREAMTROVE
Thursday, September 22, 2011 2:05 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Geezer: Quote:Originally posted by Storymark: Nope. I just excised the portion that made no sense, just like in this post. "Keep the Shiny side up"
Thursday, September 22, 2011 4:52 PM
Quote:It should be obvious to just about anyone that Gov. Romney, in his full "Corporations are people" statement, means just this: that corporations consist of people - people who will have to pay in one way or another if corporate taxes are raised.
Thursday, September 22, 2011 5:01 PM
Thursday, September 22, 2011 6:09 PM
Quote:Posted by Geezer: Besides, if you read the whole statement from Gov. Romney, instead of taking a snippet out of context (which I'm sure you'd never do)...
Friday, September 23, 2011 1:10 AM
AURAPTOR
America loves a winner!
Friday, September 23, 2011 1:24 AM
Friday, September 23, 2011 2:53 AM
Quote:Originally posted by m52nickerson: Saying "Our church is people", which I would hope mean the church is made up of the people is still differnet that saying "the church is a person". Put it this way, a group is different then an individual. I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
Friday, September 23, 2011 2:57 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: This is particularly hilarious, coming on the heels of Geezer telling us to google "hoffa" and "sons of bitches" in order to prove that his taking snippets of a speech out of context really isn't something he does.
Friday, September 23, 2011 3:03 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Geezer: Who said "the Corporation is a person"? SignyM, maybe, but not Gov. Romney. Once again, what he said is this: “I told them, corporations are people…Raising taxes on corporations is raising taxes on people.” You can dance around it all you like, but that's a preety clear statement that increases in taxes on corporations increase the costs to the people who make up the corporations.
Friday, September 23, 2011 3:07 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SignyM: So if one way or another people will pay, let's just tax corporations and be done with it, and stop chasing after individuals and all their piddly little income streams. Corporate taxes are more efficient that way, since the money is already collected up. Right?
Friday, September 23, 2011 3:09 AM
Quote:Originally posted by m52nickerson: Raising taxes on corporations may end up costing the people who make up the corporation, but that does not make corporation equivalent to people, even in this regard. That is the problem. I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
Friday, September 23, 2011 3:15 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Geezer: It's SignyM who's talking about corporations as equivalent to people. Gov. Romney is saying corporations are made up of people. Quite a difference. "Keep the Shiny side up"
Friday, September 23, 2011 4:08 AM
Friday, September 23, 2011 4:15 AM
Quote:Of course, it would sort of end the concept of a graduated income tax, since all workers would in effect pay the same rate, and would get no tax breaks for dependents, mortgage interest, medical expenses, etc.
Quote: Gov. Romney is saying corporations are made up of people. Quite a difference.
Friday, September 23, 2011 8:07 AM
Quote:ALL of the rights of actual people (privacy, freedom of speech etc.) with none of the responsibilities
Friday, September 23, 2011 9:01 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Quote:Posted by Geezer: Besides, if you read the whole statement from Gov. Romney, instead of taking a snippet out of context (which I'm sure you'd never do)... This is particularly hilarious, coming on the heels of Geezer telling us to google "hoffa" and "sons of bitches" in order to prove that his taking snippets of a speech out of context really isn't something he does.
Saturday, September 24, 2011 3:22 AM
Quote:Originally posted by m52nickerson: "corporations are people" That statement is saying corporations are equivalent to people. Now he may have ment something else, but that is not what he said. You can't remove "made up of" and keep the same meaning.
Saturday, September 24, 2011 3:32 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Geezer: Quote:Originally posted by m52nickerson: "corporations are people" That statement is saying corporations are equivalent to people. Now he may have ment something else, but that is not what he said. You can't remove "made up of" and keep the same meaning. If you purposely pull one sentence out of the whole quote and out of context, maybe. Once again, try reading the whole statement. “I told them, corporations are people…Raising taxes on corporations is raising taxes on people.” Try it in the context of the statement it was in response to. - something like "We should just raise taxes on corporations". You can keep quoting the snippet and ignoring the whole statment all you want, but that just shows your bias. "Keep the Shiny side up"
Saturday, September 24, 2011 4:14 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SignyM: First of all, I can imagine a graduated corporate tax.
Quote:Secondly, if you are paying no tax at all, up front, it's the same as 100% tax breaks across the board.
Quote:What's your REAL problem with the idea, then?
Quote:Indeed, if that is what Romney said, then it WOULD be quite a difference.
Quote:One of the thrusts of the so-called tea Party has been to grant corporations ALL of the rights of actual people (privacy, freedom of speech etc.) with none of the responsibilities*... or taxes, I might add.
Saturday, September 24, 2011 4:19 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: So when you keep using the out-of-context snippet from Hoffa...
Saturday, September 24, 2011 4:26 AM
Saturday, September 24, 2011 4:35 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: I'm curious:
Saturday, September 24, 2011 4:27 PM
Sunday, September 25, 2011 2:48 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Sounds like you could never have voted for someone like McCain/Palin, then, since they were either engaging in such violent rhetoric themselves, or simply standing around chuckling while others used such inflammatory language. Glad to hear you never supported either of them, Geezer. ;)
Sunday, September 25, 2011 4:32 AM
Sunday, September 25, 2011 9:00 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: Gawd, Geezer's getting to be just like Raptor...rather than address questions, he starts a new tack: Media is picked on McCain/Palin; even if Democrats DIDN'T do the same, they were laughing at it. It's getting ridiculous.
Sunday, September 25, 2011 9:12 AM
Quote: My reasoning is that if businesses are also people, they should be taxed like people. And, if they commit a serious crime, the business should be put to death." Signy "if businesses are also people ... with privacy rights, and "free speech" ... they should be taxed like ordinary wage earners"
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