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Change you were dumb enough to believe in
Saturday, May 23, 2009 1:57 PM
6IXSTRINGJACK
Saturday, May 23, 2009 2:36 PM
KWICKO
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)
Saturday, May 23, 2009 2:39 PM
Saturday, May 23, 2009 2:49 PM
Saturday, May 23, 2009 3:43 PM
FREMDFIRMA
Sunday, May 24, 2009 12:59 AM
BADKARMA00
Sunday, May 24, 2009 2:40 AM
WHOZIT
Sunday, May 24, 2009 3:38 AM
AURAPTOR
America loves a winner!
Sunday, May 24, 2009 3:40 AM
KPO
Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.
Quote:but like all "POP stars" people will get sick of him in time.
Sunday, May 24, 2009 4:54 AM
SERGEANTX
Quote:Originally posted by whozit: Right now we need a Rudy Giuliani, someone who can really fix things.
Sunday, May 24, 2009 4:57 AM
Quote:Originally posted by kpo: Quote:but like all "POP stars" people will get sick of him in time. He's a harvard educated law professor...?
Sunday, May 24, 2009 5:09 AM
CHRISISALL
Quote:Originally posted by SergeantX: Quote:Originally posted by whozit: Right now we need a Rudy Giuliani, someone who can really fix things. Just when I start getting really fed-up with Obama, you remind my how bad it might have been. Thanks. SergeantX
Sunday, May 24, 2009 5:52 AM
Sunday, May 24, 2009 9:47 AM
Quote:The elites are proving...
Sunday, May 24, 2009 10:45 AM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: I can't even watch that dude, Maddow. He's trying to mimic Olbermann so much...
Quote:He can't utter 1 sentence w/ out lying, distorting or making shit up...
Sunday, May 24, 2009 3:43 PM
PIRATENEWS
John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!
Sunday, May 24, 2009 4:03 PM
Sunday, May 24, 2009 10:12 PM
Sunday, May 24, 2009 11:10 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: LOL.... supporting Rudy and defending Bush and Cheney is just as naive as being a rabid Obama supporter, even after he's shown himself for what he really is. How is what he's doing today any different than what Bush did Rap? Besides the fact that he lied about everything to get elected, had popular support not seen in a president in a very long time, and now enjoys a filibuster-proof Democratic majority in congress.... oh, and the fact that he's black so anybody who says anything bad about him gets slapped with a hate crime. Wake up brother. This is much deeper than a 2 party issue. Obama would just be another corrupt Senator working in Illinois, the most corrupt state in the union, if Bush hadn't HANDED all of this to him by doing such a horrible job, becoming one of the most hated presidents in history, and pissing all over the Constitution and every single one of us. It almost seems too perfect to have been an accident that the Republicans lost. We're screwed brother. We were either way. Just you make sure you have the means to support you and yours when the shit really hits the fan. The FBI has been saying that what America needs is another 9/11. I guess allowing the first to happen when it could have been prevented didn't put a lasting enough impression on the people. Maybe we just need bombs dropping all the time on civilian streets like in 1984 before a large majority of people live in the kind of fear daily it takes to make one feel that Bush did a good job and that Rudy would make a better president than Obama....? "A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack
Monday, May 25, 2009 1:28 AM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: kwickie Cite 1 lie that Cheney's said. Just one.
Monday, May 25, 2009 7:17 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: kwickie Cite 1 lie that Cheney's said. Just one. Since you were obviously unable to keep up with the last thread where you asked this question, here it is yet again: August 26, 2002: Cheney spoke to a the 103rd national convention of the Veterans of Foreign Wars, where he stated unequivocally, "Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction." Simply stated, there is now no doubt that Saddam indeed DID NOT have weapons of mass destruction as Cheney claimed. Mike.
Monday, May 25, 2009 9:05 AM
Monday, May 25, 2009 9:27 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: No, he was lying because he stated categorically that Saddam definitely DID possess WMD at the time. That was a lie. He was wrong, and he is a liar. As are you. As always, you have no case. Mike
Quote: "I am absolutely convinced that there are weapons...I saw evidence back in 1998 when we would see the inspectors being barred from gaining entry into a warehouse for three hours with trucks rolling up and then moving those trucks out." -- Clinton's Secretary of Defense William Cohen in April of 2003
Monday, May 25, 2009 10:00 AM
Monday, May 25, 2009 10:51 AM
Quote:Seriously, how old are you? Five ? You sound like you're a five year old.
Monday, May 25, 2009 3:16 PM
Monday, May 25, 2009 3:17 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Quote:Seriously, how old are you? Five ? You sound like you're a five year old. Pretty funny, coming from the one person here who regularly looks to Mandy Moore for wisdom, and whose normal reply follows the "Yo mama" school of sophistication.
Monday, May 25, 2009 3:55 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: When have I ever "looked to Mandy Moore" for wisdom ? What a strange thing for you to say.
Monday, May 25, 2009 4:00 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: kpo - if Cheney is a liar, then so are Bill and Hillary Clinton, Al Gore, Ted Kennedy, Nancy Pelosi, George Tenet, and countless others. So, why are you focusing in on Cheney again? The T.Rex they call JANE!
Monday, May 25, 2009 4:48 PM
Monday, May 25, 2009 6:10 PM
Monday, May 25, 2009 9:44 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Fremdfirma: BK, yer lookin at it from the wrong end. Turn it around and ponder this - what if the people who were supposed to find out that info, the ubiquitous alphabet boys, lied to all of the above, deliberately and with malice aforethought - Just like they BEEN doin for forty fekkin years! Our representatives cannot "represent" us (not that they often do, mind) if the folks supposed to provide them with information either refuse to, or shovel a boatload of shit. How many black projects over the years, for example, were committed without the knowledge, much less approval, of our reps ? Or worse, (See Also: Carnivore) in direct defiance of multiple congressional edicts and laws supposed to forbid them ? How can we the people, or our so called representatives, make any kind of logical decision when given no information or false information ? While the politicians should catch their fair share of blame, what about the people who's job is to provide timely, accurate intelligence info, who instead provided a "sexed up" or "cooked" dossier to appease certain political interests, and yet they get a pass for that shit, once again not doing the job, or doing nasty backstabbing shit to the very people they're supposed to be at service to. Me, I am damned sick of that, sick of the lies, treachery and social chaos caused by our so-called protectors fucking us over every chance they get, encouraging terrorism, moving drugs and every other damn nasty thing they've done and never been called on - they KNEW most of the info they were providing was bullshit, that's been their game ever since the cold war, and you should see some of the whoppers they passed off (See Also: Ivy Bells) back then in attempts to TRY to provoke a shooting war with the Soviets. I'm not inclined to give our politicians a pass for being lying, ass covering dickheads, and gullible as hell besides for believing folk who've been lying through their teeth quite blatantly for forty years straight - but damned if I have ANY inclination to hand out passes to THEM fuckers neither, not when most of their lies lead to american blood on foreign soil, for "gains" that blow back on us and eventually cost even more. (See Also: Operation Ajax) So while we're wringin the necks of politicians about it, the alphabet boys should be right up there beside em, far as I am concerned. -Frem "The greatest threat to our national security... is our National Security."
Monday, May 25, 2009 9:45 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SergeantX: Frankly, I'm more worried about a politician who is wrong than one who lies. Anyone holding high office will know things they can't divulge, and will likely be put in positions where they have to lie. Cheney was wrong, arrogantly and obstinately wrong. That's much worse in my book. SergeantX "It's cold and it's a broken hallelujah"
Monday, May 25, 2009 11:11 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: When have I ever "looked to Mandy Moore" for wisdom ? What a strange thing for you to say.
Tuesday, May 26, 2009 1:40 AM
Tuesday, May 26, 2009 4:08 AM
HERO
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Bush Lite.
Tuesday, May 26, 2009 4:18 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Hero: Obama believes in strict govt control of banks and industry, high taxes, and spending so high that it makes Bush's spending look low.
Tuesday, May 26, 2009 4:47 AM
Quote:Bush believed in no regulation, low taxes, and high spending.
Tuesday, May 26, 2009 4:53 AM
Quote:Originally posted by chrisisall: Quote:Originally posted by Hero: Obama believes in strict govt control of banks and industry, high taxes, and spending so high that it makes Bush's spending look low. Wow, what a fine example of blunt & inaccurate oversimplification. I'm impressed!
Tuesday, May 26, 2009 4:59 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: When you say "no regulation", I assume you're talking about no regulation for corporations, because Bush believed in regulating the everloving FUCK out of American citizens!
Quote: Also, his "low taxes" stance really only applied to the top 2%.
Quote: But you're right about his high spending habits.
Tuesday, May 26, 2009 5:00 AM
BLUESUNCOMPANYMAN
Tuesday, May 26, 2009 5:16 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Hero: Do you have a different opinion?
Quote: High taxes: He's raising taxes on everybody. Lets face it, they're talking about taxing soda and a middle class tax hike, the energy tax, a health care tax, etc.
Quote: Strict control of banks and industry: They are rewriting contracts, threatening executives, strongarming deals, bypassing bankruptsy laws, forcing banks to take money (with conditions), firing CEOs, etc.
Quote: Spending higher then Bush: Obama's first 100 days included more spending then Bush's six previous years combined.
Tuesday, May 26, 2009 5:47 AM
Quote:Aside from security issues, regulation under Bush was pretty much the same as under Clinton.
Tuesday, May 26, 2009 7:17 AM
Quote:Originally posted by chrisisall: Bush taxed our troops. Thousands of American deaths & more civilians is a much higher tax than mere money, dude.
Tuesday, May 26, 2009 7:42 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Gotta love that qualifier... "Aside from that little incident, how was your trip to Dallas, Mrs. Kennedy?" Yeah, ASIDE FROM the "security issues" like warrantless wiretaps, the Patriot Act, torture, doing away with habeas corpus... Aside from things like that, you'd hardly even notice the difference...
Tuesday, May 26, 2009 7:44 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: The treatment of the troops by the previous administration is an affront and a slap in the face to everyone who's ever served.
Tuesday, May 26, 2009 7:45 AM
SIGNYM
I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.
Quote:We had bad regulation "lend money to folks who can't pay you back".
Tuesday, May 26, 2009 7:48 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SignyM: Quote:We had bad regulation "lend money to folks who can't pay you back". Cites and quote please. Back up your opinion with fact. Being a lawyer, it should be EASY for you to find the aforesaid "regulations". And if you can't find them.... ---------------------- We should have strapped him into a glider, filled it nose heavy w/ explosives, and dropped his Allah lovin' ass into a large, empty field. After which, release wild boars into the area so they could make good use of his remains. Now THAT's justice.- rappy Yeah, that's what Sheikh Issa said. Seems you both have a lot in common.- signy
Tuesday, May 26, 2009 8:10 AM
BYTEMITE
Tuesday, May 26, 2009 8:12 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Hero: the troops loved Bush and Cheney.
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