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Friday, September 7, 2007 5:13 AM
HERO
Quote: They shall in all cases, except treason, felony and breach of the peace, be privileged from arrest during their attendance at the session of their respective Houses, and in going to and returning from the same; and for any speech or debate in either House, they shall not be questioned in any other place.
Friday, September 7, 2007 6:26 AM
RIGHTEOUS9
Friday, September 7, 2007 6:49 AM
NEWOLDBROWNCOAT
Friday, September 7, 2007 6:54 AM
WYTCHCROFT
Friday, September 7, 2007 7:43 AM
RUE
I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!
Friday, September 7, 2007 7:53 AM
STORYMARK
Friday, September 7, 2007 8:06 AM
SCHOONER
Friday, September 7, 2007 10:20 AM
Quote:Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat: Time for him to ask the Prez for the Scooter option...
Friday, September 7, 2007 10:24 AM
Quote:Originally posted by schooner: sex in a public place is a crime regardless of who and where, or what political parties are involved.
Friday, September 7, 2007 10:34 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Hero: Quote:Originally posted by schooner: sex in a public place is a crime regardless of who and where, or what political parties are involved. He was not charged with sex in public. Its not against the law to ask someone for sex, to bump someone's foot, to ask for a date, etc. He is alleged to have been looking in the stalls to see if it was occupied, bumping his foot and reaching under the stall. None of that is illegal. I'm as homophobic as the next guy, but this aint illegal. H
Friday, September 7, 2007 10:44 AM
Saturday, September 8, 2007 9:40 PM
PIRATENEWS
John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!
Quote:"An admission of guilt is NOT required for a guilty plea." -North Carolina vs Alford, 400 US25, 91 SCt 160 (1970) http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/cgi-bin/getcase.pl?court=US&vol=400&invol=25
Sunday, September 9, 2007 7:03 AM
MALBADINLATIN
Sunday, September 9, 2007 11:50 PM
Monday, September 10, 2007 1:43 AM
JONGSSTRAW
Monday, September 10, 2007 5:49 AM
Quote:Originally posted by MalBadInLatin: and who by way of repressed self loathing or outright deception lead a career filled with hipocritical pontification on the subject of conservative family values and thier disapproval of the gay lifestyle.
Monday, September 10, 2007 10:37 AM
Monday, September 10, 2007 3:21 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Hero: It is also possible to be gay and not support some or all of the gay agenda. Log Cabin Republicans are a good example of politically conservative gay Republicans.
Quote:Originally posted by Hero: And I note for the record that Senator Craig maintains he's not gay. He could be heterosexual or bi-sexual...at his age I think he ought to be allowed to be whatever he can be and good for him. And while some argue whether sexuality is a choice, certainly the decision to 'come out' is a matter of privacy that ought to be respected if not protected.
Monday, September 10, 2007 6:08 PM
Quote: Craig Asks Court to Let Him Withdraw His Plea of Guilty www.nytimes.com/2007/09/11/washington/11craig.html?ref=us Quote:Senator Craig and his attorneys cite investigative reporting by the Idaho Statesman newspaper as one of the reasons to justify the withdrawal of his guilty plea. His legal team argues that Craig “was panicked” that his “arrest stemming from an undercover operation targeting gay men in the public men’s restroom at the” Minnesota airport…would be made public and that they would provide the Idaho Statesman with an excuse to publish” an article alleging that Craig engaged in homosexual conduct. Craig and his attorneys both allege that his June 11, 2007 Minnesota arrest came "shortly after” his May 14, 2007 interview with the Statesman. Motion to Withdraw Plea (Minn. v. Craig) http://news.findlaw.com/nytimes/docs/crim/craigmn91007mot.html Guilty Plea (Minn. v. Craig) http://news.findlaw.com/nytimes/docs/crim/larry-craig-guilty-plea-agreement.html Criminal Complaint (Minn. v. Craig) http://news.findlaw.com/nytimes/docs/crim/mn-larry-craig-70207cmp.html
Quote:Senator Craig and his attorneys cite investigative reporting by the Idaho Statesman newspaper as one of the reasons to justify the withdrawal of his guilty plea. His legal team argues that Craig “was panicked” that his “arrest stemming from an undercover operation targeting gay men in the public men’s restroom at the” Minnesota airport…would be made public and that they would provide the Idaho Statesman with an excuse to publish” an article alleging that Craig engaged in homosexual conduct. Craig and his attorneys both allege that his June 11, 2007 Minnesota arrest came "shortly after” his May 14, 2007 interview with the Statesman.
Quote: "I don't trust government. And neither should our citizens." —US Senator Larry "Manho" Craig, United States Senate (R-Idaho), Committee on the Judiciary, "DOJ Oversight: Terrorism and Other Topics", testimony by US Attorney General John Ashcroft re President George Bush Jr.'s Executive Orders to "legalize torture" of US citizens and refusal to release that memo (felony Contempt of Congress), C-SPAN2, June 8, 2004 http://judiciary.senate.gov/hearing.cfm?id=1212
Tuesday, September 11, 2007 3:53 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Righteous9: He's forfeited his right to hide behind his own right to privacy, in my opinion.
Tuesday, September 11, 2007 4:18 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Hero: By making the Clinton analogy you are comparing apples to oranges. By no measure did Senator Craig commit a crime (if for no other reason then the Constitution bars any arrest in this sort of case) and what he did was in an aiport restroom where he has a reasonable expectation of privacy.
Tuesday, September 11, 2007 5:02 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Hero: Quote:Originally posted by Righteous9: He's forfeited his right to hide behind his own right to privacy, in my opinion. I disagree. There are limitations to a right to privacy. It is generally accepted that a right to privacy exists when there is a reasonable expectation of privacy.
Tuesday, September 11, 2007 5:45 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Storymark: And there is a minor expectation for privacy in a public restroom, which last I heard, did not include propositioning sex in said public place.
Tuesday, September 11, 2007 6:46 AM
MAL4PREZ
Quote:Originally posted by Jongsstraw: How can any man not be just totally turned on at the sight & sounds of another man taking a dump? I certainly want my Congressmen having gay sex in restrooms. America is a Gay Country now..."My Country tis of thee, sweet land of homosexuality, of thee I thing."
Tuesday, September 11, 2007 7:13 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Hero: Although I suppose that explains why you've not been jailed for saying things I don't like. Your hiding behind a technicality...free speech. H
Tuesday, September 11, 2007 7:15 AM
Quote:Originally posted by mal4prez: The real issue behind all this is not breaking one silly little law, it's that Craig has been socially conversative and anti-gay because his own experiences with homosexuality have been shameful and disgusting, and he's not able to see that this is not universal. This moron, and several other right-wing conservative nut jobs who have also been found out in the past few years, think they need to make laws to control the lives of other people just because they themselves are so f**ked up.
Tuesday, September 11, 2007 7:34 AM
Quote:Originally posted by mal4prez: Getting a blow job in a bathroom stall is *not* the gay lifestyle. That's like saying that cheating on your spouse is the married lifestyle. What Craig tried to do - seedy anonymous sex - is the lifestyle of person who lives in denial of his own urges. That's not the basis of gay, that's the basis of messed up in the head.
Tuesday, September 11, 2007 7:41 AM
Tuesday, September 11, 2007 9:33 AM
SOUPCATCHER
Quote:Originally posted by Hero: He was not charged with sex in public. Its not against the law to ask someone for sex, to bump someone's foot, to ask for a date, etc. He is alleged to have been looking in the stalls to see if it was occupied, bumping his foot and reaching under the stall. None of that is illegal. I'm as homophobic as the next guy, but this aint illegal.
Tuesday, September 11, 2007 3:53 PM
6IXSTRINGJACK
Quote:Originally Posted by Pirate News: Damn, I have to agree with Hero. Except Craig should be summarily executed for treason at Gitmo, for voting for amnesty for illegal aliens.
Tuesday, September 11, 2007 7:05 PM
Tuesday, September 11, 2007 8:26 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Hero: Quote:Originally posted by Storymark: And there is a minor expectation for privacy in a public restroom, which last I heard, did not include propositioning sex in said public place. The Supreme Court has spoken on the issue of privacy in public restrooms, so its hardly minor. And propositioning sex between adults in not illegal anywhere. It may be unwelcome, but not illegal. Actual sex in public is illegal, offering money for sex is illegal, exposing oneself is illegal, there's lots of potential illegal activities. Senator Craig was not accused of any of those things.
Tuesday, September 11, 2007 9:05 PM
PIRATECAT
Wednesday, September 12, 2007 4:15 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SoupCatcher: So if you think that the tactic was wrong in this instance then you have to ask yourself if the thousands of applications of this very same tactic countrywide over the past few decades are also wrong.
Wednesday, September 12, 2007 4:58 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: Oh... wait.... I forgot. We're all going to be bashing Britney Spears for how fat and out of shape she's gotten for at least a week now. That poor girl. Everybody's turned on her. I saw that and she didn't look bad at all.
Wednesday, September 12, 2007 5:01 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Hero: I note for the record that if you eliminate the whole gay thing, your statement about "seedy abonymous sex" is actually something a lot of men and women in America would agree with (especially if between the ages of 15 and 40 and on Friday and Saturday nights).
Saturday, September 15, 2007 10:25 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Hero: The real question we all need to ask is...would you have sex with her if you could? My answer is the same now as its been since 1999...yes. Sure, I'd be thinking about her 1999-2004 body and trying not to look to closely (if you squint real hard she's hotter then ever)... H
Saturday, September 15, 2007 10:41 PM
Quote:Originally posted by mal4prez: And this Craig thing isn't just fodder for the sheep like the latest Paris Hilton crap. Senator Craig's story is yet another way that our freedoms are being limited - hypocrits in power getting preachy. I know gay rights are less important to you than your right to smoke, 6string, but it falls in the same class. I would argue that the empowerment of the people and the improvement of our country won't happen without empathy. Here's your chance...
Monday, September 17, 2007 4:53 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: Bunch of judgemental bastards turning on her. One more reason I say Hollywood can kiss my ass.
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