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Sunday, March 29, 2015 10:58 AM
AURAPTOR
America loves a winner!
Quote:Originally posted by second: In a contest between Obama and John McCain, McCain was not Presidential material. He was an old fool. But did you notice any change when Obama became President? Other than not being Republican, Obama could have been serving the third term of Bush's Presidency. Only after 6 years, and a major loss in November, is Obama noticeably not acting Republican. No matter how many times Republicans say Obama was a commie, or whatever fools's insults they are hurling, that was never true.
Quote: The beginning might have been admirable, but the end of the Revolutionary War left John Adams' fine sentiments far behind. I was looking at a book from 1976 about Washington's victory at Yorktown: After the surrender ceremony was over, soldiers inspected Yorktown, and many wondered that the enemy had been able to resist so long. One wrote, "One could not take three steps without running into some great holes made by bombs with scattered white or Negro arms or legs and some bits of uniforms." Houses were wrecked, and the remaining inhabitants were terrified. Negroes, sick and dying, lay about the streets, amid heaps of American shells which had failed to explode. As in George Washington's day to this very day, America still loves to kill with high-explosives dropping down from the sky. That's how America really fights for freedom, not the way John Adams imagined the fight.
Quote: Don't forget the Canadians, such as Nathan Fillion or Jewel Staite. Canada did not go to war with England. Being under the Crown was not a big enough burden to justify a rampage killing the Redcoats stationed in Canada.
Sunday, March 29, 2015 1:03 PM
SIGNYM
I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.
Quote:Canada's history isn't the same as those to the South. There were different dynamics at play there.
Quote:“I shall not rest contented till I have explored the western country, and traversed those lines (or a great part of them) which have given bounds to a New Empire,” wrote George Washington. His fascination with the West began young and lasted a lifetime – and exemplified the ongoing social and economic movement. The Library of Congress observed: “Between 1747 and 1799 Washington surveyed over two hundred tracts of land and held title to more than sixty-five thousand acres in thirty-seven different locations.”7 Land was the future. “Land is the most permanent estate and the most likely to increase in value,” wrote a youthful Washington.... Far-sighted Americans saw their future lying to the West – with only native Americans standing in the way of their advance. Historian Bernard Bailyn noted that George Washington “wrote enthusiastically in 1767 about an ‘opening prospect in the back country for adventurers, where numbers resort to, and where an enterprising man with very little money may lay the foundation of a noble estate.’ Anyone he declared, who neglected the ‘present opportunity of hunting out good lands and in some measure marking and distinguishing them for his own (in order to keep others from settling them) will never regain it.”
Quote:In the late 1760s, America’s British overseers saw damages in these visions and sought to limit Americans’ westward mobility.
Quote:historian Forrest McDonald wrote: “One worked or connived to obtain a stake, then worked or connived to obtain legal title to a tract of wilderness, then sold the wilderness by the acre to the hordes of immigrants, and thereby lived and died a wealthy man. Appropriately, the most successful practitioner of this craft was George Washington, who had acquired several hundred thousand acres and was reckoned by many as the wealthiest man in America.
Sunday, March 29, 2015 1:56 PM
Sunday, March 29, 2015 2:07 PM
SECOND
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Obama turned centuries old rules of lending on its head, by screwing over those who had actual $ in the game to favor those politically Sept. 12 (Bloomberg) -- Harvey Golub, the former chairman of American International Group Inc., said President Barack Obama “violated every bankruptcy principle known to man” in the rescue of General Motors Co. and Chrysler Group LLC. “One of the major elements of a bankruptcy is that debtors similarly situated get treated the same,” Golub told Bloomberg Television’s Betty Liu on the “In the Loop” program today. “They changed the rules and bailed out the unions, not the companies.” http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2012-09-12/golub-says-obama-violated-bankruptcy-principle-in-gm-aid
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Quote: The beginning might have been admirable, but the end of the Revolutionary War left John Adams' fine sentiments far behind. I was looking at a book from 1976 about Washington's victory at Yorktown: After the surrender ceremony was over, soldiers inspected Yorktown, and many wondered that the enemy had been able to resist so long. One wrote, "One could not take three steps without running into some great holes made by bombs with scattered white or Negro arms or legs and some bits of uniforms." Houses were wrecked, and the remaining inhabitants were terrified. Negroes, sick and dying, lay about the streets, amid heaps of American shells which had failed to explode. As in George Washington's day to this very day, America still loves to kill with high-explosives dropping down from the sky. That's how America really fights for freedom, not the way John Adams imagined the fight. I have no idea what in the hell that's suppose to mean. The colonists were fighting w/ what ever they could get their hands on , against the most powerful, well equipped military of the day.
Sunday, March 29, 2015 2:16 PM
Quote:Washington started out by fighting only the Redcoats, but at the end of the war, once the colonies finally, after years of begging, were providing explosives, Washington was killing women, children and slaves by bombardment. All of George Washington's empty rhetoric about honorably meeting the enemy, man-to-man, on the battlefield was so much hot air once Washington got bombs.
Quote:In 1779, George Washington sent orders to General John Sullivan concerning the need to attack and destroy the Iroquois Nations: “The immediate objects are total destruction of their settlements, and capture of as many prisoners of every age and sex possible -”
Sunday, March 29, 2015 2:34 PM
Sunday, March 29, 2015 3:05 PM
Sunday, March 29, 2015 3:31 PM
1KIKI
Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.
Sunday, March 29, 2015 4:20 PM
JEWELSTAITEFAN
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote:They could have easily said ' God ', and not ' Creator ', but to him, and many of the Founders via their own writings, it was clearly the Almighty. If they could have just as easily said "God", why didn't they?
Quote:They could have easily said ' God ', and not ' Creator ', but to him, and many of the Founders via their own writings, it was clearly the Almighty.
Quote: Quote:You're not really this stupid, are ya ? MAGONS isn't that stupid, RAPPY, but YOU ARE. It's very clear from our laws and behavior that WE don't feel obligated to extend "God-given rights" to all of humanity, and so ... we don't.
Quote:You're not really this stupid, are ya ?
Sunday, March 29, 2015 4:26 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: RAPPY, I don't mean "impose" on others, what I meant was "treat others - even foreigners - with the same respect we would give American citizens". But in our political and military affairs, it very clear that we make large distinctions between American citizens and others. Foreigners can be searched without probable cause, detained without charges, etc etc. That's why we have the CIA versus the FBI - they're supposed to be operating under different rules, in different arenas. They have different restrictions and accord non-citizens none of our "rights". How have you lived thru so much and not noticed some basic facts? If not everyone has these "rights", not only are they NOT "inalienable" and "self evident", they're not even rights at all. The US Declaration is not technically part of our laws, so treating non citizens differently from citizens isn't all that big an issue. ESPECIALLY when non citizens ( terrorists ) are caught on the battlefield. Damn straight we treat them differently than any Joe and Jane American, walking down anystreet USA
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: RAPPY, I don't mean "impose" on others, what I meant was "treat others - even foreigners - with the same respect we would give American citizens". But in our political and military affairs, it very clear that we make large distinctions between American citizens and others. Foreigners can be searched without probable cause, detained without charges, etc etc. That's why we have the CIA versus the FBI - they're supposed to be operating under different rules, in different arenas. They have different restrictions and accord non-citizens none of our "rights". How have you lived thru so much and not noticed some basic facts? If not everyone has these "rights", not only are they NOT "inalienable" and "self evident", they're not even rights at all.
Sunday, March 29, 2015 4:44 PM
Sunday, March 29, 2015 4:45 PM
Sunday, March 29, 2015 4:48 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: graditate
Sunday, March 29, 2015 4:50 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: "Enemy combatants do not get a lawyer ..." So you would kill them because of what you believe without proof.
Sunday, March 29, 2015 6:24 PM
Sunday, March 29, 2015 10:04 PM
Sunday, March 29, 2015 11:27 PM
Quote: If Obama did something unusual, Bush got there first.
Quote: The union’s retiree health-care fund did get preferential treatment over other unsecured claims. Obama’s task force that managed the automotive restructurings saw the companies needing a cooperative union to build its vehicles once they reorganized, giving workers more leverage than other claimants.
Monday, March 30, 2015 7:39 AM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: second - the Founding fathers risked their fortunes and their very LIVES to fight for freedom. Far more than the clowns running our country today. Had the Revolution failed, every one of the Founder's families would be ruined, their fortunes taken from them, and every signer of the Declaration of Independence likely publicly executed. In contrast to your 1% nonsense, you really are showing them to be far more brave than most realize. Thanks.
Monday, March 30, 2015 12:12 PM
Monday, March 30, 2015 1:05 PM
Monday, March 30, 2015 1:21 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: 'creator' not in constitution (not even in preamble) not in constitution means not the law of the land we've been thru this before thanks to that wondrous constitutional scholar rush and his meat puppets on the board https://www.usconstitution.net/const.pdf
Monday, March 30, 2015 3:46 PM
Monday, March 30, 2015 3:53 PM
Monday, March 30, 2015 6:30 PM
Monday, March 30, 2015 9:20 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Quote: If Obama did something unusual, Bush got there first. False. The matter of the bail out isn't that there was a bail out , but Obama flipped the long standing practice of bailing out unsecured claims over those w/ secured claims Quote: The union’s retiree health-care fund did get preferential treatment over other unsecured claims. Obama’s task force that managed the automotive restructurings saw the companies needing a cooperative union to build its vehicles once they reorganized, giving workers more leverage than other claimants. second - the Founding fathers risked their fortunes and their very LIVES to fight for freedom. Far more than the clowns running our country today. Had the Revolution failed, every one of the Founder's families would be ruined, their fortunes taken from them, and every signer of the Declaration of Independence likely publicly executed. In contrast to your 1% nonsense, you really are showing them to be far more brave than most realize. Thanks.
Monday, March 30, 2015 9:51 PM
Tuesday, March 31, 2015 4:44 AM
MAGONSDAUGHTER
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: "Enemy combatants do not get a lawyer ..." So you would kill them because of what you believe without proof. When they are working feverishly to kill me, yes I kill them first. Their option to recuse themselves from the realm of civilized man forfeits whatever right they want to claim.
Tuesday, March 31, 2015 4:50 AM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Don't want freedom ? Fine. Stay a slave to the crown. Fine by me.
Tuesday, March 31, 2015 9:13 AM
Quote:Limbaugh Misquotes Constitution During CPAC Speech
Tuesday, March 31, 2015 9:54 AM
JONGSSTRAW
Tuesday, March 31, 2015 11:01 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Magonsdaughter: My city was voted most livable city in the world http://www.onlymelbourne.com.au/melbourne-worlds-most-liveable-city
Tuesday, March 31, 2015 6:26 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Jongsstraw: Her Royal Highness, Baroness Sigefreida Von Kundt has spoken. Now go fuck yourself.
Tuesday, March 31, 2015 6:37 PM
Quote: You are welcome. What risk were the Founders taking? The American Revolution was long done when the Founders wrote the Constitution. We are still talking about the Constitution, and why the Creator got credit for our rights, right?
Tuesday, March 31, 2015 7:49 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Magonsdaughter: Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: "Enemy combatants do not get a lawyer ..." So you would kill them because of what you believe without proof. When they are working feverishly to kill me, yes I kill them first. Their option to recuse themselves from the realm of civilized man forfeits whatever right they want to claim. man, what deluded planet are YOU on? Let's have a little reminder about America and enemy combatants and they decided to bypass the geneva convention on treatment of prisoners of war.
Tuesday, March 31, 2015 8:19 PM
Tuesday, March 31, 2015 9:38 PM
Tuesday, March 31, 2015 10:09 PM
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Back to the OP. So the libtards here supporting her ignorance are leaning on the parsing of terms? Trying to claim that when our Founding Fathers wrote "Creator" of "all men" they were not referring to a God or creator of all men? That's all you got? Really quite pathetic.
Tuesday, March 31, 2015 11:34 PM
ELVISCHRIST
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, Quote:Originally posted by ElvisChrist: Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: And here's your sign too, Siggy. It's not OURS to extend. Again, you obviously failed US History, 101. You say everyone has these rights. But then you call someone "stupid" for suggesting that prisoners at Guantanamo - which is technically United States soil - have these rights.
Quote:Originally posted by ElvisChrist: Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: And here's your sign too, Siggy. It's not OURS to extend. Again, you obviously failed US History, 101. You say everyone has these rights. But then you call someone "stupid" for suggesting that prisoners at Guantanamo - which is technically United States soil - have these rights.
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: And here's your sign too, Siggy. It's not OURS to extend. Again, you obviously failed US History, 101.
Quote: If not everyone has them, they aren't "rights," they're privileges. You've never taken a government, civics, or constitutional law class at any grade level, have you?
Quote:The US Declaration is not technically part of our laws, so treating non citizens differently from citizens isn't all that big an issue.
Tuesday, March 31, 2015 11:38 PM
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