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Monday, November 24, 2014 7:08 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


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3. For practice, can you say how old is a boy born halfway through year 5 BC when his birthday comes in 5 AD?


9


Correct. 5.5 BC plus 5.5 AD would be 11, but the correct answer is 9.

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Tuesday, November 25, 2014 6:45 AM

JO753

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OK, Einstien! I got a good wun for you!

Youre in a starship thats capable uv reaching lite speed. You want to see the ej uv the universe (or the border to nothing, the next universe, the end uv the universe, the boundry beyond which there iz nothing - call it wut you like)

According to our current understanding uv fiziks, after you reach lite speed, how long duz it take you to get there by your calander?

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Tuesday, November 25, 2014 7:49 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


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OK, Einstien! I got a good wun for you!

Youre in a starship thats capable uv reaching lite speed. You want to see the ej uv the universe (or the border to nothing, the next universe, the end uv the universe, the boundry beyond which there iz nothing - call it wut you like)

According to our current understanding uv fiziks, after you reach lite speed, how long duz it take you to get there by your calander?


I am not Einstein, and I am not speaking for him.
Nobody has a solid understanding of physics. There are many Theories in Physics.
If you are referring to the latest fad theory about the universe expanding faster than the speed of light, then this would mean we would never reach the border at a lesser speed. Until the universe starts shrinking again, but by then you will be gone.

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Wednesday, November 26, 2014 6:59 AM

JO753

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You dont need to know much about the currently aksepted theoryz to figure this wun out and therez no math involved.

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Friday, November 28, 2014 4:43 AM

JO753

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bok bok bok. bokBoKbok.

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Wednesday, December 3, 2014 9:33 AM

JO753

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JSF seemz to hav run away like a little bich*, so if anybody els wants to take a crack at it, go ahed.






*Just wanted to try out a Jesse Pinkman fraze. :)

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Friday, December 5, 2014 11:01 PM

JO753

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Anybody? Beuhler? Beuhler?

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Saturday, December 6, 2014 6:50 PM

JO753

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Timez up.

The ansr iz that you instantly arrive at the end uv the universe frum your perspective.

Or you can think uv it az leaving the universe. Or reaching the end uv time.

But actually, it cant be dun according to our current understanding.

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Sunday, December 7, 2014 1:22 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Timez up.

The ansr iz that you instantly arrive at the end uv the universe frum your perspective.

Or you can think uv it az leaving the universe. Or reaching the end uv time.

But actually, it cant be dun according to our current understanding.




Kind of reminds me of my favorite Sci-Fi short story "Sign at the End of the Universe", by Duane Ackerman....

SPOILER ALERT

"This End Up"

http://scifistoryscentury.wordpress.com/2008/06/11/1974-sign-at-the-en
d-of-the-universe-by-duane-ackerman
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I'd recommend at least 80% of the stories in this book to anyone. A good Christmas present for any Geek in your life.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Sunday, December 7, 2014 2:39 PM

JO753

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Brevity iz the essens uv wit!

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Tuesday, December 9, 2014 7:46 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


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Originally posted by JO753:
Timez up.

The ansr iz that you instantly arrive at the end uv the universe frum your perspective.

Or you can think uv it az leaving the universe. Or reaching the end uv time.

But actually, it cant be dun according to our current understanding.


So traveling faster than light lets us reverse time?

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Wednesday, December 10, 2014 4:06 PM

JO753

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I dont know. I'll haf to think about it.

By the lojik that leadz to the above conclusion, no. If you had a speedometer that sumhow detected your rate thru space, it woud get to 186,000 mps & then either show zero or error, bekuz there woudnt be any space outside the ship.


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Wednesday, December 10, 2014 6:56 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


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I dont know. I'll haf to think about it.

By the lojik that leadz to the above conclusion, no. If you had a speedometer that sumhow detected your rate thru space, it woud get to 186,000 mps & then either show zero or error, bekuz there woudnt be any space outside the ship.


mps is, by definition, per SECOND. Second is a measurement of time, and your answer says time would stand still. While approaching SoL, time would slow and then stop at e, according to your answer. So exceeding SoL would reverse time. Also, because time would be zero in the denominator, the speed would be infinity.

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Thursday, December 11, 2014 11:42 AM

JO753

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Its perspectiv. Frum inside the ship, time duznt seem to stop or chanje its rate.

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Thursday, December 11, 2014 2:31 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


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Its perspectiv. Frum inside the ship, time duznt seem to stop or chanje its rate.


You are saying time freezes inside. At SoL, you arrive at the same time you departed. Therefore, at faster than SoL, you would arrive before you departed. And if you neared a singularity, and slingshotted back to your starting point, you have traveled back in time.

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Thursday, December 11, 2014 3:21 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Brevity iz the essens uv wit!



A favorite Shakespeare quote peeled down to it's essence. I approve.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, December 11, 2014 3:32 PM

JO753

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I think you missed the main point, JSF.

You arent in the universe anymore. Its gon! There iz no destination. Your starting point iz gon. If you programmed Whitefall into the navicomputer, you missed it.

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Friday, December 12, 2014 4:25 AM

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Its perspectiv. Frum inside the ship, time duznt seem to stop or chanje its rate.

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You really pronounce from as frum?

I say it the say as bob cop dock

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Friday, December 12, 2014 5:20 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


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I think you missed the main point, JSF.

You arent in the universe anymore. Its gon! There iz no destination. Your starting point iz gon. If you programmed Whitefall into the navicomputer, you missed it.


The time that it took you to get there still exists. If you slingshot around a singularity before getting to the border, then you would return to your starting place before you left, traveling at more than the speed of light, according to you.

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Friday, December 12, 2014 8:45 PM

JO753

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You really pronounce from as frum?

I say it the say as bob cop dock



My Webster'z showz it both wayz. I'll lissin for it on TV. I think it will be difficult to hear the differens.

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Friday, December 12, 2014 8:56 PM

JO753

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The time that it took you to get there still exists.



Duz it?

Even if it duz, how woud you know wen to slow down?

Frum a perspectiv outside the ship, lets say 100 lite yirz away with a very good telescope, you woud see the ship flying really fast forever. If you coud see inside the ship, everybudy and everything, including the lite & electronz woud be frozen in plase relativ to the ship!



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Saturday, December 13, 2014 1:09 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
You really pronounce from as frum?

I say it the say as bob cop dock


My Webster'z showz it both wayz. I'll lissin for it on TV. I think it will be difficult to hear the differens.


The regional dialect changes the emphasis or pronunciation.

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Sunday, December 14, 2014 3:23 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


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The time that it took you to get there still exists.



Duz it?

Frum a perspectiv outside the ship, lets say 100 lite yirz away with a very good telescope, you woud see the ship flying really fast forever.


Incorrect. When exited from the universe, you would no longer see anything. Light requires medium to travel in, once outside the universe, no light from outside would enter the border.

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Monday, December 15, 2014 8:38 PM

JO753

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Incorrect that I'm incorrect. Its all perspectiv, dude.

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Tuesday, December 30, 2014 4:23 PM

JO753

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You will like this article:
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/rational-and-irrational-thou
ght-the-thinking-that-iq-tests-miss
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Tuesday, December 30, 2014 5:10 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Yes, I did. Thank you for posting.

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Saturday, January 3, 2015 10:05 PM

JO753

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Your welcome.

The XYZ virus puzzle iz a little trickier than they think.


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Friday, January 9, 2015 9:29 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


This article has managed to put together thoughts I've had in places like while taking a hot shower.

This girl I know recently sent me a quiz on FB that said she got a 115 IQ. She's constantly telling me how smart I am and I have no doubt she wanted me to get like a 160 on it. I only had a 120.



Let me ask you someting J0.....

I just did the part where they asked the question:

Jack is looking at Anne, but Anne is looking at George. Jack is married, but George is not. Is a married person looking at an unmarried person?

A) Yes
B) No
C) Cannot be determined


I had to read the question once, look at the answers and read it again before answering the correct "A".

Am I dumber than the person who heard the question one single time and knew the answer?


I don't think I am. I may not ever be a salesman or a politician because of it, but that doesn't mean that I wouldn't make a great accountant or movie editor with my own strengths...

I don't think that the time it takes to get to an answer is a good indication of the quotient at all....



Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, January 9, 2015 9:32 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


I think the only reason we put an emphasis on speed is our own human desire for immediate gratification. This is only exacerbated by Jeopardy and Double Dare.

Haste makes Waste.

Measure Twice, Cut Once.

Slow and Steady Wins the Race....

Centuries of examples of forethought over blind obedience to facts has always proven triumphant.

I'm proud of my 120 IQ test. Chances are, I might even be just barely triple digits in a real test.


Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, January 9, 2015 4:39 PM

JO753

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I got that wun rong! Seemed obvious till I red the explanation. In my opinion, it wuz the most illustrative uv the point the article iz about.

Yes, speed iz part uv it. I think uv IQ like horsepower. The more you hav, the faster you can accelerate lite stuff and you can move big stuff that sum lesser level uv horsepower coud not buj a millimeter.



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Saturday, January 10, 2015 5:36 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
This article has managed to put together thoughts I've had in places like while taking a hot shower.

This girl I know recently sent me a quiz on FB that said she got a 115 IQ. She's constantly telling me how smart I am and I have no doubt she wanted me to get like a 160 on it. I only had a 120.



Let me ask you someting J0.....

I just did the part where they asked the question:

Jack is looking at Anne, but Anne is looking at George. Jack is married, but George is not. Is a married person looking at an unmarried person?

A) Yes
B) No
C) Cannot be determined


I had to read the question once, look at the answers and read it again before answering the correct "A".

Am I dumber than the person who heard the question one single time and knew the answer?


I don't think I am. I may not ever be a salesman or a politician because of it, but that doesn't mean that I wouldn't make a great accountant or movie editor with my own strengths...

I don't think that the time it takes to get to an answer is a good indication of the quotient at all....



Do Right, Be Right. :)


You take a test.
A question asks for the sum of 21 and 45, or for the product of 35 and 3. You check the answers, verify you have the correct one, and select it. You expended some time re-checking your work and comparing to the available choices.
Or, a question asks for the product of 35 multiplied by 97. During the solving of this you likely run across one of the 2 above math functions on the way to your solution, or perhaps both if you are double checking. You double check your answer with the available choices, but you do not double check each individual sub-function as you did with the solitary question of the sub-solution.

See where the redundancy is costing unneeded use of time?


Or consider this classic puzzle (to be done in the subject's head):
You are driving a bus. You have 3 female passengers and 7 males.
After driving 3 blocks from the Bus stop, a right turn is made, then straight another 2 blocks before stopping and 1 woman and 2 men get off and 4 women get on.
After driving another 7 blocks, another stop has 2 men getting on.
After driving another 2 blocks, then right turn and 4 blocks, another stop results in every woman getting off, and 3 men, and 2 women get on.
Then after driving another 3 blocks, a right turn, and driving 3 blocks, another stop is made with the number of male passengers doubling, plus 4 more women board.
After driving 8 blocks, another stop results in half the females getting off, and 4 more males getting on.

Now, can you tell me the answer to the question that is coming next?

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Tuesday, March 10, 2015 8:44 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Heard the puzzle on Brooklyn 99 couple nights ago. They ended up claiming that there was no solution. The Capt had tried for 20 years to solve it.


If you are going to search for this answer on the net or web, don't bother posting here, please.

I admit I did not solve it by the end of the episode - that distraction named Melissa Fumero was the only reason to watch the show.

12 guys on an island.
1 guy is either heavier or lighter than the rest - 11 weigh the exact same.
There is a scale/balance - like a teeter totter. But it can only be used 3 times.

How do you determine which of the 12 is not the same weight?

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Thursday, March 12, 2015 7:33 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Heard the puzzle on Brooklyn 99 couple nights ago. They ended up claiming that there was no solution. The Capt had tried for 20 years to solve it.


If you are going to search for this answer on the net or web, don't bother posting here, please.

I admit I did not solve it by the end of the episode - that distraction named Melissa Fumero was the only reason to watch the show.

12 guys on an island.
1 guy is either heavier or lighter than the rest - 11 weigh the exact same.
There is a scale/balance - like a teeter totter. But it can only be used 3 times.

How do you determine which of the 12 is not the same weight?



Maybe this one is too hard.

Perhaps I should ask for the first step of the solution - which might be a clue for solution. I should admit that at this time I have not checked if there is more than one solution (method of finding the answer), so it is possible that more than one exists. I do recall that in the episode Santiago started saying that her answer started with 6 islanders on each side of the see-saw, and Capt holt immediately said no, that was wrong - however, Capt Holt also later said that there was no solution to the logic puzzle, and that statement is clearly false.

Which of the following is the first step of the solution?
1. Place 6 islanders on each side of the see-saw. (teeter-totter).
2. Place 5 islanders on each side of the see-saw.
3. Place 4 islanders on each side of the see-saw.
4. Place 3 islanders on each side of the see-saw.
5. Place 2 islanders on each side of the see-saw.
6. Place 1 islander on each side of the see-saw.

Does anybody have the answer among the above 6? Those who may have looked up an answer online need not respond here.

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Thursday, March 12, 2015 7:46 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Or should we move these puzzles to a Puzzle thread?

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Thursday, March 12, 2015 11:21 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


easy

Divide the group in half - six men and six men. The side with the heavier man goes down because he adds more weight. Repeat with those six as 3 men and 3 men. You now have 3 men, one of whom is heavier. Balance any two. If one is heavier the balance will go down. If it doesn't then the two are exactly the same and the one you haven't balanced is heavier. 3 seconds to come up with the answer, a couple of minutes to type.
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Heard the puzzle on Brooklyn 99 couple nights ago. They ended up claiming that there was no solution. The Capt had tried for 20 years to solve it.


If you are going to search for this answer on the net or web, don't bother posting here, please.

I admit I did not solve it by the end of the episode - that distraction named Melissa Fumero was the only reason to watch the show.

12 guys on an island.
1 guy is either heavier or lighter than the rest - 11 weigh the exact same.
There is a scale/balance - like a teeter totter. But it can only be used 3 times.

How do you determine which of the 12 is not the same weight?






SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

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Friday, March 13, 2015 4:31 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Heard the puzzle on Brooklyn 99 couple nights ago. They ended up claiming that there was no solution. The Capt had tried for 20 years to solve it.

If you are going to search for this answer on the net or web, don't bother posting here, please.

I admit I did not solve it by the end of the episode - that distraction named Melissa Fumero was the only reason to watch the show.

12 guys on an island.
1 guy is either heavier or lighter than the rest - 11 weigh the exact same.
There is a scale/balance - like a teeter totter. But it can only be used 3 times.

How do you determine which of the 12 is not the same weight?




easy


Maybe. Let us see if you can figure it out, or just give your normally glib incorrect answers.
Quote:


Divide the group in half - six men and six men. The side with the heavier man goes down because he adds more weight. Repeat with those six as 3 men and 3 men.


Let us assume you are referring to the six which have the heavier combined weight (on the first use of seesaw), and you mean that you are now weighing those six, split into 3. With 3 of these 6 on each side, the balance is equal (the second use of seesaw, only one more use allowed), the seesaw does not move due to gravity. This of course means that we now have learned that the odd man is lighter than the other 11, and that he is among the 6 that were not balanced in the second use of the seesaw.
On your third use of the seesaw, how do you determine which one of the six is the individual with the lighter weight?
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You now have 3 men, one of whom is heavier.


Your assumption is incorrect, your deduction is faulty, your normal jumping to illogical conclusion is, as always, wrong.
Quote:


Balance any two. If one is heavier the balance will go down. If it doesn't then the two are exactly the same and the one you haven't balanced is heavier. 3 seconds to come up with the answer, a couple of minutes to type.


Aha! Your assumption that the quickest answer is equal to the correct answer, is, as usual for you, your downfall.
Your glib answer appears to be wrong.
If you wish to stand by your proclaimed solution, please explain further, to the satisfaction of any reasonable person.

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Friday, March 13, 2015 11:45 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


ADHD struck - again! (skipped over the 'or lighter'). But it still works with a twist. 3/3 + 3/3 gives you which set is different. From there you do 1/1.




SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

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Saturday, March 14, 2015 5:51 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
ADHD struck - again! (skipped over the 'or lighter'). But it still works with a twist. 3/3 + 3/3 gives you which set is different. From there you do 1/1.


Please try to explain that. It does not make any sense, combined with any of your post.
First use of seesaw is what?
Second use of seesaw is what?
Third use of seesaw is what?

How do you determine which individual is lighter or heavier based upon these 3 balancings.

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Sunday, March 15, 2015 4:46 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
ADHD struck - again! (skipped over the 'or lighter'). But it still works with a twist. 3/3 + 3/3 gives you which set is different. From there you do 1/1.


Perhaps you are claiming that the first use is 3 versus 3, and then the second use if 3 versus 3. If the second set is unbalanced, then you only have one try to determine which of the 2 groups of 3 includes the individual who is either lighter or heavier. If you choose one group of 3 to try 1 versus 1, and they balance, then you are left with 4 individuals of whom any one might be the one.

If you meant to say something else, please explain.

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Monday, March 16, 2015 6:53 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


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ADHD struck - again! (skipped over the 'or lighter'). But it still works with a twist. 3/3 + 3/3 gives you which set is different. From there you do 1/1.


Does your silence indicate that you have finally realized that your flippant posts don't hold water in the real world?

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Wednesday, March 18, 2015 5:54 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Nobody else?
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Heard the puzzle on Brooklyn 99 couple nights ago. They ended up claiming that there was no solution. The Capt had tried for 20 years to solve it.


If you are going to search for this answer on the net or web, don't bother posting here, please.

I admit I did not solve it by the end of the episode - that distraction named Melissa Fumero was the only reason to watch the show.

12 guys on an island.
1 guy is either heavier or lighter than the rest - 11 weigh the exact same.
There is a scale/balance - like a teeter totter. But it can only be used 3 times.

How do you determine which of the 12 is not the same weight?



Maybe this one is too hard.

Perhaps I should ask for the first step of the solution - which might be a clue for solution. I should admit that at this time I have not checked if there is more than one solution (method of finding the answer), so it is possible that more than one exists. I do recall that in the episode Santiago started saying that her answer started with 6 islanders on each side of the see-saw, and Capt holt immediately said no, that was wrong - however, Capt Holt also later said that there was no solution to the logic puzzle, and that statement is clearly false.

Which of the following is the first step of the solution?
1. Place 6 islanders on each side of the see-saw. (teeter-totter).
2. Place 5 islanders on each side of the see-saw.
3. Place 4 islanders on each side of the see-saw.
4. Place 3 islanders on each side of the see-saw.
5. Place 2 islanders on each side of the see-saw.
6. Place 1 islander on each side of the see-saw.

Does anybody have the answer among the above 6? Those who may have looked up an answer online need not respond here.


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Sunday, March 22, 2015 4:39 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


PUZZLE SPOILER ALERT




The solution I have starts with 4 on each side of the seesaw.

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Sunday, March 22, 2015 6:23 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


No - I worked it out on paper.

But I can't flowchart it here to show it works in all cases. And I haven't sat down to try and figure out a labeling scheme to be able to type it out and have it make sense. It does involve reweighing select ones.

I also came up with two different versions of groups of 4, one of which also involves reweighing.

None of which I'm going to post.

It looks like there's more than 1 right answer.




SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

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Monday, March 23, 2015 7:35 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


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Originally posted by 1kiki:
No - I worked it out on paper.


What?
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But I can't flowchart it here to show it works in all cases. And I haven't sat down to try and figure out a labeling scheme to be able to type it out and have it make sense. It does involve reweighing select ones.

I also came up with two different versions of groups of 4, one of which also involves reweighing.


Does reweighing mean more than the 3 allowed in the problem? If so, that is not a solution.
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None of which I'm going to post.

It looks like there's more than 1 right answer.


Once making the first balance with groups of 4 on each side, there are detailed differences which are all mere variations. I guess I was unclear when I said more than 1, because I meant more than one first weighing. I have not determined if there is a solution which starts with something other than 4 per side.
Taking your word for it is not an option. Your inability to explain any solution is not proof of solution.

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Monday, March 30, 2015 9:01 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Can't tell if nobody is looking, or everybody gave up or wants a separate thread.
4509 views.

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Wednesday, April 1, 2015 6:58 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


4531 views.
So, if I assume people are still checking to see if the solution is posted, I will do so.

This is the logic puzzle that Captain Holt on Brooklyn 99 said could not be solved, because in 20 years of trying he could not solve it.
I have not checked to determine if other solutions exist (meaning starting with a balance of numbers other than 4 per side).

Select to view spoiler:



There are 12 Islanders. For purposes of explanation, let us number them 1 thru 12.

First balance: 1-4 vs 5-8.
If the result is (1A.) Even then balance #2 is 8&9 vs 10&11.
--If the result is (1A.2A) Even then the odd weight is #12.
--If the result is (1A.2B) Not even (unbalanced) then the balance #3 is 10 vs 11.
----If the result is (1A.2B.3A) Even then the odd man is #9.
----If the result is (1A.2B.3B) not even in the Same direction as balance #2, then the odd man is #11.
----If the result is (1A.2B.3C) not even in the Opposite direction as balance #2, then the odd man is #10.
If the result of balance #1 is (1B.) Not even then balance #2 is 1,2,&5 vs 3,4,&6.
--If the result is (1B.2A) Even, then balance #3 is 7 vs 8. (will be unbalanced)
----If the result is (1B.2A.3A) the Same direction as balance #1, then the odd man is #8.
----If the result is (1B.2A.3B) the Opposite direction as balance #1, then the odd man is #7.
--If the result of balance #2 is (1B.2B) not even in the Same direction as balance #1 then balance #3 is 1 vs 2.
----If the result is (1B.2B.3A) Even then the odd man is #6.
----If the result is (1B.2B.3B) not even in the Same direction as balance #1 then the odd man is #1.
----If the result is (1B.2B.3C) not even in the Opposite direction as balance #1 then the odd man is #2.
--If the result of balance #2 is (1B.2C) not even in the Opposite direction as balance #1 then balance #3 is 3 vs 4.
----If the result is (1B.2C.3A) Even then the odd man is #5.
----If the result is (1B.2C.3B) not even in the Same direction as balance #1 then the odd man is #3.
----If the result is (1B.2C.3C) not even in the Opposite direction as balance #1 then the odd man is #4.

If the odd man is #12 then the balance #3 can be made with anybody else to determine whether he is lighter or heavier than the others.
Any other odd man can be determined whether lighter or heavier by reviewing the direction of previous balances he was included in.

Abbreviated results can be made using E=even, N=not even, S=same, O=opposite

1E.2E = #12.
1E.2N.3E = #9.
1E.2N.3S = #11.
1E.2N.3O = #10.
1N.2E.3S = #8.
1N.2E.3O = #7.
1N.2S.3E = #6.
1N.2S.3S = #1.
1N.2S.3O = #2.
1N.2O.3E = #5.
1N.2O.3S-1 = #3.
1N.2O.3O-1 = #4.


I think that should make sense. If there are questions or it doesn't seem to make sense, post.

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Thursday, April 2, 2015 7:01 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


4580 views now. Quite a jump. Just for the solution? Or something else?

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Friday, April 3, 2015 5:26 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


4595 views.
I do not consider that to be a very elegant solution. And I feel it has more inefficiencies than I wish. But at least it disproves Capt Holt's assertion that no solution exists.

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Wednesday, June 3, 2015 7:25 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


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3. For practice, can you say how old is a boy born halfway through year 5 BC when his birthday comes in 5 AD?


9


Correct. 5.5 BC plus 5.5 AD would be 11, but the correct answer is 9.


Last weekend listened to an old Art Bell show, interviewing Dr. Glenn Kimball, a researcher and proclaimed expert on Jesus and his time.
He pointed out that Jesus was born in April of 7 BC, confirmed with the Star of Bethlehem, the merging of Jupiter and Saturn. He also confirmed that he did in 33 AD. He then stated that Jesus was 40 years old when he died. But if born in 7 BC, then in April 1 BC Jesus would have turned 6 (When Herod died in 4 BC Jesus would have been 2 or 3), and in April 1 AD Jesus would have turned 7, and 32 years later in April 33 AD Jesus would have turned 39. Jesus would not have turned 40 until April of 34 AD.

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Wednesday, June 3, 2015 10:53 PM

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