Boris Nemtsov, Russian opposition politician and Ukraine invasion opponent, gunned down in Moscow. by Geezer

Not surprised by assassination, he was telling the Russian people the truth about what Russia was doing in the Ukraine.

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Saturday, February 28, 2015 12:22 PM

MAL4PREZ

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Not surprised by assassination, he was telling the Russian people the truth about what Russia was doing in the Ukraine.

You've got it all wrong THGR. Isn't it obvious? The CIA assassinated Nemtsov to make it *seem* like he was telling the truth about Ukraine to make it *seem* like Putin's shiny white hands have been getting dirty when really everything bad that happens in the world is the CIA's doing.

Poor, sweet, dear Putin. Why is everyone always picking on him?

;)

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Saturday, February 28, 2015 3:48 PM

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.

Violent deaths of previous Putin critics/opponents:

April 2003 - Liberal politician Sergey Yushenkov assassinated near his Moscow home
July 2003 - Investigative journalist Yuri Shchekochikhin died after 16-day mysterious illness
July 2004 - Forbes magazine Russian editor Paul Klebnikov shot from moving car on Moscow street, died later in hospital
October 2006 - Investigative journalist Anna Politkovskaya shot dead outside her Moscow apartment
November 2006 - Former Russian spy Alexander Litvinenko died nearly three weeks after drinking tea laced with polonium in London hotel
March 2013 -Boris Berezovsky, former Kremlin power broker turned Putin critic, found dead in his UK home

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Saturday, February 28, 2015 4:55 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN

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Originally posted by Geezer:
"President Putin quickly condemned the killing and has taken personal control of the investigation."

Yeah. Right.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-31672940

How come he didn't blame it on the Ukrainians?

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Sunday, March 1, 2015 10:19 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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Not surprised by assassination, he was telling the Russian people the truth about what Russia was doing in the Ukraine.-THUGR
You've got it all wrong THGR. Isn't it obvious? The CIA assassinated Nemtsov -MAL4

You're right. It's probably a false flag. Just like MH17. It will be used to gin up more sanctions against Russia, or build up support for some US-sponsored "color revolution", or some combination. That, or it was a nutcase Putin supporter.

Putin had no interest in killing this guy. He enjoys tremendous popularity in his own nation, with very high approval ratings. He can tolerate critics and demonstrators because they won't get in the way of his plans. (He has more problems with the Central Bank)

You guys, you'll believe anything.

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Sunday, March 1, 2015 2:35 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

As an aside, I don't understand the logic of setting a date to release damaging information. (It's not true that Nemtsov was 'telling the Russian people the truth', he CLAIMED he WOULD in the future.) What's the point of giving notice? If you really do in fact have information, just release it already.

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

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Sunday, March 1, 2015 6:40 PM

Kiki the Psycho Sow: "Ya hear? Putin wasted another political enemy."

Sniggy the Piggy : "Yeah, so what's the big fucking deal?"

Kiki the Psycho Sow: "Hey, calm down. I was just trying to make conversation."

Sniggy the Piggy: "Christ! Why couldn't I have been born a free-range chicken!"

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Sunday, March 1, 2015 9:51 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Thanks for killing a pointless thread.

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Sunday, March 1, 2015 10:11 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:

Kiki the Psycho Sow: "Ya hear? Putin wasted another political enemy."

Sniggy the Piggy : "Yeah, so what's the big fucking deal?"

Kiki the Psycho Sow: "Hey, calm down. I was just trying to make conversation."

Sniggy the Piggy: "Christ! Why couldn't I have been born a free-range chicken!"

Great series ya got there .

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Sunday, March 1, 2015 10:58 PM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Putin had no interest in killing this guy.

Really?

Nemtsov had been the first person to start a systematic analysis of Putin's corruption that, he claimed, includes the building and renovation of 20 palaces, the receipt of $700,000 in watches, his unlimited access to yachts, planes, and a Kremlin property management department with a staff of more than 60,000, and an annual presidential office budget of $2.41 billion. This all leaves aside the billions he is reported to have stashed abroad. www.cnn.com/2015/02/28/opinion/dawisha-nemtsov-killing/index.html The opinions expressed in this commentary are Karen Dawisha's, author of "Putin's Kleptocracy. Who Owns Russia?".

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Sunday, March 1, 2015 11:34 PM

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Great series ya got there .

Thanks!

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Monday, March 2, 2015 7:57 AM

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Not surprised by assassination, he was telling the Russian people the truth about what Russia was doing in the Ukraine.-THUGR
You've got it all wrong THGR. Isn't it obvious? The CIA assassinated Nemtsov -MAL4

You're right. It's probably a false flag. Just like MH17. It will be used to gin up more sanctions against Russia, or build up support for some US-sponsored "color revolution", or some combination. That, or it was a nutcase Putin supporter.

Putin had no interest in killing this guy. He enjoys tremendous popularity in his own nation, with very high approval ratings. He can tolerate critics and demonstrators because they won't get in the way of his plans. (He has more problems with the Central Bank)

You guys, you'll believe anything.

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I'm starting to think you're right:

- we shot down MH17 so we could impose sanctions (which don't really do us any good)

- and it's become clear that it was in fact the US who supplied the Pro-Russian Separatists with weapons and soldiers and know-how, so we could impose sanctions (which don't really do us any good)

- even more alarming: Putin is CIA. Yep. He's a CIA operative we installed in 2012 so we could impose sanctions (which don't really do us any good)

- In fact, we're currently imposing sanctions on ourselves because just because.

(which really don't do us any good)

It was said here a very long time ago by someone else before I joined, that 1kiki and Sig were Russian. Any doubters left? I don't care where they live currently, they are Russian.

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Monday, March 2, 2015 9:43 AM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

LOL!!!!

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Monday, March 2, 2015 12:17 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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Originally posted by G:
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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Not surprised by assassination, he was telling the Russian people the truth about what Russia was doing in the Ukraine.-THUGR
You've got it all wrong THGR. Isn't it obvious? The CIA assassinated Nemtsov -MAL4

You're right. It's probably a false flag. Just like MH17. It will be used to gin up more sanctions against Russia, or build up support for some US-sponsored "color revolution", or some combination. That, or it was a nutcase Putin supporter.

Putin had no interest in killing this guy. He enjoys tremendous popularity in his own nation, with very high approval ratings. He can tolerate critics and demonstrators because they won't get in the way of his plans. (He has more problems with the Central Bank)

You guys, you'll believe anything.

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I'm starting to think you're right:

- we shot down MH17 so we could impose sanctions (which don't really do us any good)

- and it's become clear that it was in fact the US who supplied the Pro-Russian Separatists with weapons and soldiers and know-how, so we could impose sanctions (which don't really do us any good)

- even more alarming: Putin is CIA. Yep. He's a CIA operative we installed in 2012 so we could impose sanctions (which don't really do us any good)

- In fact, we're currently imposing sanctions on ourselves because just because.

We imposed sanctions and mucked with Russia for the same reason that

We attempted to take over Ukraine, which did us no good.

And we destroyed Libya- which did us no good.

And destroyed Iraq. Which did us no good.

And bombed Afghanistan even further back into the Stone Age. Which did us no good.

And attempted to topple Syria, which REALLY did us no good... because all that did was solidify ISIS, which our Mideast/ N African "interventions" and "fundings" have been metastasizing all along.

In fact, we've been shooting ourselves in the foot over and over again since at least 2000. I'm happy that you're finally recognizing the backward nature of US foreign policy. Good for you!

I hope the Russians find out who shot Nemetsov and hang 'em high.

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Monday, March 2, 2015 12:54 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

SIGNY! How can you say that??!!!

WE didn't do ANY of those things! And besides, all that stuff we didn't do, even if we DID - protected our freedoms and did us a LOT of good!

We imposed sanctions and mucked with Russia (which did us no good).
We attempted to take over Ukraine, which did us no good.
And we destroyed Libya- which did us no good.
And destroyed Iraq. Which did us no good.
And bombed Afghanistan even further back into the Stone Age. Which did us no good.
And attempted to topple Syria, which REALLY did us no good

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Monday, March 2, 2015 3:52 PM

MAL4PREZ

**thread about events in Russia***

Sig: "The US the US the US!!! It's all about the US!" Translation: "Do not even start thinking critically about Russia -- I sure as hell never do!"

LOL! RWED at its finest.

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Monday, March 2, 2015 5:54 PM

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.

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You guys, you'll believe anything.

Your saying this right after openly speculating about whether the CIA did it, is incredible.

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Monday, March 2, 2015 6:18 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Kiki the Psycho Sow: "Ya hear? Putin wasted another political enemy."

Sniggy the Piggy : "Yeah, so what's the big fucking deal?"

Kiki the Psycho Sow: "Hey, calm down. I was just trying to make conversation."

Sniggy the Piggy: "Christ! Why couldn't I have been born a free-range chicken!"

Great series ya got there .

Forum gold. There have to be pictures of piggies being lead to a slaughterhouse, right? Could be some good material for more funny pig-alogue.

Undeniably crassic.

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Wednesday, March 4, 2015 6:44 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Nemstov was a deputy PM under Yeltsin. Since most Russians wound up hating Yeltsin and almost everyone associated with his government, they weren't too fond of Nemstov. His party turned out to be "non-system", which means it didn't even meet the 5% threshold for electing even one member to the Duma. His career as a Putin critic was also being overshadowed by Navalny, so he wasn't really a robust opposition leader.

But it seems to me that Nemstov was more valuable dead than alive to some people, particularly the anti-Putin faction. For example, didn't anyone notice that exquisite timing of the murder? Just days before a planned 100,000-person demonstration called the Spring March on March 1? But heck, even with the murder the organizers only managed to rally 20,000-50,000 onto the street. Apparently not worth much dead, either.

Also, he got a few girlfriends pregnant. I can imagine that his estranged wife might not be too happy about it.

According to the investigation, all of the bullets were different. Or, as the investigators are saying "Taken from many pockets". He was being tailed by three different cars. THE fact that many bullets were used - but the main witness was left alive- speaks of something other than a professional murder.

If anyone has any further information, speak up.

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Wednesday, March 4, 2015 10:13 PM

Nobody laughs at the absurdity of Putin's regime better.

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Wednesday, March 4, 2015 10:22 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

"First you say he was more important to the ant(sic)-Putin faction ..." Where did Signy say that? Or even imply that?

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Wednesday, March 4, 2015 10:58 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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Why do you even bother?

You mean communicating with numbnuts like you? At times, I ask myself the same question!

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"Since most Russians wound up hating Yeltsin and almost everyone associated with his government, they weren't too fond of Nemstov." You know this how? Just, yanno, feel it?

No, I read it in Russian blogs, and Russian opinion polls, and I inferred it from his party's low voter turnout and the relatively low turnout at the Spring March.

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"His party turned out to be "non-system", which means it didn't even meet the 5% threshold for electing even one member to the Duma." Are you telling me an anti-Putin person was snubbed? That it had a hard time getting support? You find that something of note?

Yes, what Nemstov was selling, most people weren't buying.

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Broken Siggy logic no. 1:

"But it seems to me that Nemstov was more valuable dead than alive to some people, particularly the anti-Putin faction....Apparently not worth much dead, either. "

First you say he was more important to the ant-Putin faction, and then you say he wasn't worth much to the anti-Putin faction.

No broken logic, please go back and figure this out on your own, if you can. If you still can't figure it out in a week or two, I'll help.

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Sherlock Holmes award:
"For example, didn't anyone notice that exquisite timing of the murder? Just days before a planned 100,000-person demonstration called the Spring March on March 1? But heck, even with the murder the organizers only managed to rally 20,000-50,000 onto the street."-SIGNY

Right, I'll explain to you what you just said: by killing him the perpetrators were able to put the kibosh on a 100,000 person anti-Putin rally (fear of being killed can do that). Who do you suppose would benefit from that?

Because 100,000 people are afraid of being assassinated? If intimidation didn't work in the Maidan, why do you think it would work here?

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Too funny - look how desperate: "Also, he got a few girlfriends pregnant. I can imagine that his estranged wife might not be too happy about it." And Hitler was faithful to Eva - conclusion?

No conclusion. It's just that he seems (in addition to being a rather uninspiring politician) to have pissed off some people in his personal life. I dunno, the killing seems almost amateurish, like some kind of revenge-driven Mafia-esque scenario. Heck, maybe he owed somebody money??? Or ... even better! ... this was a plot by the FSB to look like it wasn't the FSB! I mean, how brilliant is THAT???

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And the winner for most outrageous 4 words said with a straight face: "According to the investigation..."

Yes? And the MH17 investigation is ... what, again?

I'm back at where I was with the MH17 shoot down and the RUSSIA INVADES UKRAINE! hysteria. And the "Iraq WMD" hysteria and the "Impending Libyan massacre!" hysteria: show me the evidence. If you don't have evidence, then anything you say is sheer speculation. Right now I'm speculating, and so are you.

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Friday, March 6, 2015 8:31 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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“Since the current US ambassador arrived in Russia, they killed Nemtsov, while he was in Georgia they killed Zhvaniya, and in Ukraine—Gongadze. Coincidence?”

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Saturday, March 7, 2015 9:17 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Oh, you mean like the ones in Ukraine?

And hey, what about the USA's record with "opposition politicians" like

Hugo Chavez (attempted coup)
Saddam Hussein (invaded and hanged)
Moamar Qaddafi (sodomized with a bayonet and shot)
Viktor Yanukovich (deposed)
Bashar al-Assad (ongoing attempted overthrow)

Yep, nobody does it like the USA!

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Saturday, March 7, 2015 9:24 PM

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“Since the current US ambassador arrived in Russia, they killed Nemtsov, while he was in Georgia they killed Zhvaniya, and in Ukraine—Gongadze. Coincidence?”

And while Putin has been there - the violent deaths etc of journalists:

No one does it like Vlad the Impaler.

That's quite a tally. Putin's been a busy man.

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Saturday, March 7, 2015 10:45 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Of course it would NEVER occur to you to fact-check your 'sources', in your and Mr "G"eeWhiz's case, SciFiRadio. Always a great place for solid facts, I'm sure. /snark

https://www.cpj.org/

Deadliest Countries in 2014
Russia not listed
Syria: 17
Ukraine: 5
Iraq: 5
Somalia: 4
Israel and the Occupied Palestinian Territory: 4
Brazil: 3
Paraguay: 3
Afghanistan: 3
Pakistan: 3
Mexico: 2
India: 2
Guinea: 1
Yemen: 1
Egypt: 1
Democratic Republic of the Congo: 1
Philippines: 1
Central African Republic: 1
Myanmar: 1
Bangladesh: 1
Libya: 1

Deadliest Countries in 2013
Syria: 29
Iraq: 10
Egypt: 6
Pakistan: 5
Somalia: 4
Philippines: 3
India: 3
Brazil: 3
Mali: 2
Russia: 2
Libya: 1
Bangladesh: 1
Colombia: 1

Deadliest Countries in 2012
Syria: 31
Somalia: 12
Pakistan: 7
Brazil: 4
India: 2
Mexico: 2
Israel and the Occupied Palestinian Territory: 2
Tanzania: 1
Indonesia: 1
Ecuador: 1
Lebanon: 1
Colombia: 1
Cambodia: 1
Russia: 1
Nigeria: 1
Egypt: 1
Bangladesh: 1
Thailand: 1
Philippines: 1
Bahrain: 1

Deadliest Countries in 2011
Pakistan: 7
Iraq: 5
Libya: 5
Brazil: 3
Mexico: 3
Philippines: 2
Yemen: 2
Bahrain: 2
Syria: 2
Somalia: 2
Afghanistan: 2
Egypt: 2
Dominican Republic: 1
El Salvador: 1
Ivory Coast: 1
Russia: 1
Nigeria: 1
Peru: 1
Azerbaijan: 1
Thailand: 1

Deadliest Countries in 2010
Russia not listed
Pakistan: 8
Iraq: 5
Honduras: 3
Mexico: 3
Indonesia: 3
Nigeria: 2
Angola: 2
Philippines: 2
Somalia: 2
Afghanistan: 2
Thailand: 2
Greece: 1
Lebanon: 1
Brazil: 1
Uganda: 1
Belarus: 1
Yemen: 1
Cameroon: 1
Colombia: 1
Rwanda: 1

Deadliest Countries in 2009
Philippines: 33
Somalia: 9
Pakistan: 4
Iraq: 4
Russia: 3
Sri Lanka: 3
Mexico: 3
Afghanistan: 2
Kazakhstan: 1
Colombia: 1
Kenya: 1
Israel and the Occupied Palestinian Territory: 1
Nepal: 1
Venezuela: 1
Indonesia: 1
El Salvador: 1
Madagascar: 1
Azerbaijan: 1
Iran: 1
Turkey: 1

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Saturday, March 7, 2015 11:36 PM

2011

The murder rate in Russia, with a population of 139 million and strict gun control is number 5 in the world.

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Saturday, March 7, 2015 11:46 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

GeeWhiz - And while Putin has been there - the violent deaths etc of journalists ...
THUGR - That's quite a tally. Putin's been a busy man.
THUGR - 2011 The murder rate in Russia, with a population of 139 million and strict gun control is number 5 in the world.

So, are you now saying Putin's NOT responsible?

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Saturday, March 7, 2015 11:56 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

THUGR - 2011 The murder rate in Russia, with a population of 139 million and strict gun control is number 5 in the world.

Here's the strange thing - in 2012 Russia was ranked 66th. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide
_rate

And in the 2011 UN homicide study, Russia didn't make the top 20. http://www.businessinsider.com/1homicidal-countries-2011-11

Strange how you seem to shit out non-facts.

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Sunday, March 8, 2015 3:55 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Thanks for doing the legwork disproving GSTRING'S "facts".

AFA THUGR: I can't decide if THUGR is a giant shit or a giant non-fact.

And I'll make a prediction that some time this month, JONGSSTRAW will come up with yet more pictures of pigs, and his little piggy friends will congratulate him on what a great little pig he is.

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Sunday, March 8, 2015 5:44 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

I just read a very interesting speculative piece on Russian blogsite (translated into English). It was about the utility of Nemstov's murder to the anti-Putin faction (which BTW argues that Putin did NOT have Nemstov murdered, since it would create more trouble than it was worth.)

In sum, the article says that the liberals in Russia (in the west, they're called liberals, in Russia they're called other things) can only achieve success (i.e driving Putin from power) if they "radicalize"... that is, become violent.

But just like the Maidan- which would have been nothing more than an "occupy" movement without the fascists willing to push violence ever-forward - the pro-western liberals in Russia need a Russian partner willing to push the violence forward, creating polarization and a sense of crisis.

That person, this article offers, is Igor Girkin (Strelkov/ Strelok/ Kotych) - the same man who figuratively parachuted from Moscow into Donetsk to become the DPR's defense chief in its early days. According to this speculation, Girkin has outsized Presidential ambitions, which he was hoping to forward by his active service in Donetsk and (like Nemstov before him) can only achieve if Russia undergoes a civil war.

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In an interview published in "Expert Online", Borodai states the following:

"He [Strelkov] simply felt that he had done too much to simply die. He craved glory all his life. Military honors, accolades. Not for nothing he was so angry at his agency, which prior to the events fired him "without the right to wear the uniform". And at the arrival to Donetsk he had already earned his glory. But he wanted "to touch the glory" with his hands. And he had a very exaggerated idea of how he will be greeted in Russia. I know his hopes and dreams. This is what he wanted: "Kremlin. St George's hall. Igor stands tall in a brand new navy uniform of a general. The President approaches him. Awarding a star of the Hero of Russia. Then hugs him and shedding a man tear, whispers, "Thank you, son." Then turns to the audience and says, "Now I know who I can leave Russia to." The audience gasps, stunned and envious...". Something like that. Well, it did not come true... why try to avenge the unfulfilled fantasy? It hurts the mission. The same mission, for which he risked his life, for which people were killed..."

Let's leave aside the "man tear", and focus on the fact of Borodai's statement about Strelkov's presidential ambitions. Regarding the overall painful ambition of offended Strelkov, then we can see it clearly without Borodai. Sufficient to read Strelkov's comments on the forum of re-enactors.

Next Borodai clarifies what price Strelkov is willing to pay for his ambitions and describes the specific plan of Strelkov:

"I need to point to one more fact. Igor made some things happen in recent months. He had finally become a political figure of a national scale. Whether they want to notice it at the Kremlin and the Old square or not. Another thing is that he is not just an oppositional politician, but extremely destructive. His calculation is simple: the country is in crisis, the authorities will not last long, and in the inevitable civil war Igor Girkin-Strelkov will lead the part of the "patriotic forces" and will become a dictator of what will remain of Russia. Personally, I think the chances for the implementation of this simple program are quite minimal. But, unfortunately, they are still there. I think some readers will wonder whether this option is that bad? Bad. Not least because, firstly, the realization of Igor Strelkov as a full-fledged political leader is only possible through a bloody civil war. And secondly, Igor will be a very low quality dictator".

Girkin gave up half of the Donetsk Oblast, according to some, and intended to sweep into power in Donetsk but had his ass handed to him by the DPR militia, consisting mainly of miners and farmers. At the same time that Girkin was retreating before Kiev's National Guard, his PR people were trumpeting his bravery and portraying Putin's lack of support as a betrayal. In other words, Girkin appears to be ready to stab anyone and everyone in the back to attain his goals.

The article traces support of Girkin back to someone named Maxim Kalashnikov, who would like to create his own National Guard (not under Putin's control).

Anyway, it's a complicated story, but it seems that some of the ostensibly fervent Russian nationalists are themselves nothing more than power-grabbers.

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Sunday, March 8, 2015 6:05 AM

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Four suspects in the high-profile murder case of opposition politician Boris Nemtsov have been detained, according to the Federal Security Service (FSB) and the Russian republic of Ingushetia’s Security Council.

According to FSB chief Aleksandr Bortnikov, the authorities originally detained two suspects on Saturday, who were identified as Anzor Gubashev and Zaur Dadayev.

Bortnikov said both suspects come from Russia’s southern region of the North Caucasus, a restive place with insurgency and crime problems.

The Investigative Committee confirmed that the two detainees are implicated in both organizing and executing the hit on Nemtsov. “We are continuing our work to establish which individuals may be involved in this crime,” the committee’s spokesman Vladimir Markin said.

Later on Saturday, the secretary of the Security Council of Russia's Republic of Ingushetia told Sputnik that two more people have been apprehended by the authorities in connection with the investigation.

Dadaev used to serve as deputy regiment commander in one of the Chechen Republic’s interior ministry units, reported RIA Novosti citing Albert Barakhoev, chair of the security council of Ingushetia, another Russian southern Republic bordering Chechnya. Gubashev worked as a private security contractor in Moscow.

According to Barakhoev, Dadaev was detained in the Ingush capital of Magas, while Gubashev was intercepted en route to Voznesenovskaya, an Ingush village where his mother lives. The Gubashevs were born in Chechnya, but the family moved to Ingushetia back in the 1960s, he said.

Both Gubashev and Dadaev own apartments in Grozny, the Chechen capital, he added.

The two other detainees are Gubashev’s younger brother and a man suspected of being the driver of the car used by Nemtsov’s killer to escape the crime scene.

Read moreOpposition politician Boris Nemtsov killed in the center of Moscow

Nemstov, a former Russian governor and deputy prime minister, who became a prominent opposition figure in the early 2000s, was gunned down in central Moscow on February 27. The assassination triggered worldwide condemnation and calls for swift investigation.

The politician was killed on a bridge over the Moscow River near the Kremlin as he was returning home with a female companion. The shooter hit Nemtsov in the back four times and fled in a getaway car.

The crime is being investigated by a joint task force, which includes the police, the FSB and the Investigative Committee.

Investigators are looking into five possible motives behind Nemtsov’s assassination. According to Vladimir Markin, spokesman for the Investigative Committee, the murder may have been a provocation to destabilize the political situation in Russia.

It could also be linked to threats Nemtsov received over his stance on the Charlie Hebdo attack in Paris, or the current war in Ukraine. The politician’s business activities and a possible assault related to his personal life are also being looked into.

READ MORE: Crowds of mourners pay respect to slain opposition leader Nemtsov

The prime witness to the crime, Ukrainian model, Anna Duritskaya, who was accompanying Nemtsov, has since returned to Kiev. She told the media she was unable to identify the killer.

The killing happened two days ahead of an opposition rally Nemtsov helped organize. The rally was replaced with a mourning march in central Moscow, which drew tens of thousands of people.

http://rt.com/news/238653-suspects-nemtsov-murder-detained/

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Sunday, March 8, 2015 1:03 PM

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Wow, MRG, you have descended into la-la land. I'm sure you're a nice, intelligent guy elsewhere, but here you're just a stupid asshole.

Can we at least agree that Nemstov's murder right at the feet of the Kremlin has created entirely predictable problems for Putin? And that, of all of the things that Putin is or might be, "stupid" is not one of them? Therefore, Putin is not the likely culprit?

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Sunday, March 8, 2015 1:30 PM

Kiki the Hellish Hog: "I read on the internet that 'G' thinks we're both 'really cute'."

Sniggy the Piggy: "You shouldn't believe what you read on the internet."

Kiki the Hellish Hog: "Does that include all YOUR psycho horseshit?"

Sniggy the Piggy: "Of course not. My posts are genuine ... I work in a lab!"

Kiki the Hellish Hog: "BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHA! Oooh, oh, my achin' ribs!"

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Sunday, March 8, 2015 2:14 PM

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Sunday, March 8, 2015 9:34 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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Wow, MRG, you have descended into la-la land. I'm sure you're a nice, intelligent guy elsewhere, but here you're just a stupid asshole.

Can we at least agree that Nemstov's murder right at the feet of the Kremlin has created entirely predictable problems for Putin? And that, of all of the things that Putin is or might be, "stupid" is not one of them? Therefore, Putin is not the likely culprit?

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Sunday, March 8, 2015 9:38 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

So hey there Mr GeeWhiz - any idea why the facts from your 'source' don't check out?

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Sunday, March 8, 2015 9:48 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

"And I'll make a prediction that some time this month, JONGSSTRAW will come up with yet more pictures of pigs, and his little piggy friends will congratulate him on what a great little pig he is."

I wonder if he's considered that I don't read his posts at all, and so they have literally no effect on me. I just scroll past them the same way I did PirateNews' posts. Because - why bother doing anything else?
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Nawww ... his thinking doesn't go that far.

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Sunday, March 8, 2015 11:25 PM

Kiki the Hellish Hog: "BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHA! Oooh, oh, my achin' ribs!"

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Monday, March 9, 2015 5:10 AM

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Nawww ... his thinking doesn't go that far.

The funny thing is, JONGSSTRAW is capable of seeing the obvious, and he (she?) isn't so wedded to the GOP that he (she?) can't see where it's screwing up. Whatever bender JS is on, I hope it ends soon.

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Saturday, March 14, 2015 11:49 AM

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Well, the activity in this thread seems to have died down since the "Putin ordered Nemtsov killed" narrative has fallen apart. Chechens have been charged with a contract killing, and the customer is rumored to be a Chechen fighting in Ukraine on Kiev's side. What the killing did was set off a significant mole hunt in Russian security forces, since one person involved in the killing was part of the Chechen army (battalion "North"). Some anti-Putin politicians and oligarchs have been bragging about having ex-FSB people in their payroll. I wonder if this is the reason why Putin has been MIA for a while. Perhaps he is about to make a significant announcement?

Now the EU wants an "international" investigation? Fuck them. I think we should have international investigations of all of the killings by cops of unarmed civilians, don't you?

But y'all are going to continue engaging is fantasies, I'm sure. Nothing will ever satisfy your rabid paranoia.

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Saturday, March 14, 2015 12:41 PM

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...SIG Now the EU wants an "international" investigation? Fuck them. I think we should have international investigations of all of the killings by cops of unarmed civilians, don't you?

Of course you do not want the world to search out evidence of who is behind the killing, it evolves Russia. The part about police is just subjective posting to deflect away from the subject. No surprise there..

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Saturday, March 14, 2015 6:15 PM

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and the customer is rumored to be a Chechen fighting in Ukraine on Kiev's side.

Yeah, because that makes perfect sense. Sig, more than half of what you believe can be traced back to the Russian government, and Russian state-owned media. What new facts, if any, do you have about the Nemtsov case?

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Saturday, March 14, 2015 8:13 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

So, your source doesn't contradict wikipedia's numbers.

At the top of the wiki link: "This article's factual accuracy may be compromised due to out-of-date information. Please update this article to reflect recent events or newly available information. (April 2011)"

But, lets look at the numbers. You like Yeltsin, don't you? In round numbers an average of 13 journalists died violently per year during his tenure (according to your source), and there were less than 2 trials per year. Under Putin an average of 11 journalists died violently per year and there were 5 trials per year. His numbers are better than Yeltsin's. So, why aren't you bothered about Yeltsin's record?

I'd also like to point out that your wiki article says many deaths were due to the Chechen wars 1994-96 and 1999-2009, and the war in the former Yugoslavia. "When the killing began the brief first Chechen war took numerous lives of journalists from within Chechnya and from further afield. This deadly combat zone was then matched by that in the former Yugoslavia, above all in Bosnia."

So, is Putin worse than Yeltsin? And did he order every death, or did war cause a substantial number of them, as per your article?

And lastly I have to point out glaring inaccuracies in that wiki article. It says "In ANY list of deaths, compiled by monitors inside or outside the country, Russia ranks high." That not true. The CPJ lists Russia fairly low, and in some years doesn't list Russia at all. The wiki article calls Paul Klebenikov 'Paula' Klebenikov. There were other issues with accuracy as well - it counts deaths in independent countries outside of Russia as occurring in Russia for example.

Because of your highly selective outrage and the inaccuracies of your source, I don't find your argument linking this issue exclusively to Putin to be credible.

OTOH this is an interesting database. http://www.journalists-in-russia.org/jir/journalists/index/page:4/sort
:motive/direction:asc Of journalistic deaths, there were 5 pages of 'accidents', 3 pages of 'crossfire', 18 pages of 'homicide', 1 page of 'missing', 3 pages of 'unconfirmed' and 1 page of 'terrorist act'. There were 10 pages where the motive was deemed to be because of the journalists subject. But it did have some strange listings - there were a number where the death was deemed an accident but the motive was thought to be retribution. What these people took retribution on themselves by having a fatal accident? it seems like one group of people looking at these deaths didn't talk with the other group and came up with nonsense. There were 16 pages where the motive was thought to NOT be related to their work, and 5 pages where it was undetermined.

https://cpj.org/blog/2015/03/boris-nemtsovs-murder-highlights-russias-
poor-impu.php#more

And this is an editorial.

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Saturday, March 14, 2015 9:35 PM

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and the customer is rumored to be a Chechen fighting in Ukraine on Kiev's side.

Yeah, because that makes perfect sense. Sig, more than half of what you believe can be traced back to the Russian government, and Russian state-owned media. What new facts, if any, do you have about the Nemtsov case?

About as many as you do. Which hasn't stopped either one of us from speculating.

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Sunday, March 15, 2015 2:52 AM

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Well, since you all are so terribly interested in reading what's being published in mainstream Russian blogs today, here is a joke about how liberals are thought of in Russia. It took me by surprise, and so of course I thought it was funny!

A new teacher comes into the class:
- My name is Abram Davidovich, I’m a liberal. And now all stand up and introduce yourself like I did …
- My name is Masha I liberal …
- My name is Petia, I’m a liberal …
- My Little Johnny, I’m a Stalinist.
- Little Johnny, why are you a Stalinist? !
- My mom is a Stalinist, my dad is a Stalinist, my friends are Stalinists and I too am a Stalinist.
- Little Johnny, and if your mother was a whore, your father – a drug addict, your friends - homos, what would you be then in that case? !
- Then I would be a liberal.

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Sunday, March 15, 2015 9:59 AM

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Well, since you all are so terribly interested in reading what's being published in mainstream Russian blogs today, here is a joke about how liberals are thought of in Russia. It took me by surprise, and so of course I thought it was funny!

A new teacher comes into the class:
- My name is Abram Davidovich, I’m a liberal. And now all stand up and introduce yourself like I did …
- My name is Masha I liberal …
- My name is Petia, I’m a liberal …
- My Little Johnny, I’m a Stalinist.
- Little Johnny, why are you a Stalinist? !
- My mom is a Stalinist, my dad is a Stalinist, my friends are Stalinists and I too am a Stalinist.
- Little Johnny, and if your mother was a whore, your father – a drug addict, your friends - homos, what would you be then in that case? !
- Then I would be a liberal.

This is the kind of joke that Wulfenstar or Kaneman or some other far-right wingnut would tell us. Further evidence that the far-left and the far-right are merging.

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Sunday, March 15, 2015 1:22 PM