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Liberalism Is a Hoax
Friday, December 5, 2014 6:59 PM
AURAPTOR
America loves a winner!
Friday, December 5, 2014 7:03 PM
Friday, December 5, 2014 9:41 PM
JONGSSTRAW
Friday, December 5, 2014 11:01 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Jongsstraw: Well who ever said any of it wasn't a hoax? Politics (power) means getting what you want. Getting what you want means making money. Everything else is just bacon grease for the useful idiots.
Friday, December 5, 2014 11:59 PM
MAGONSDAUGHTER
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: I'd compare it to a religion. Believe what you're told, and don't you DARE ask to see any proof, or point out any discrepancies in " the story ".
Saturday, December 6, 2014 6:08 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Magonsdaughter: Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: I'd compare it to a religion. Believe what you're told, and don't you DARE ask to see any proof, or point out any discrepancies in " the story ". You just described your modus operandi to a T. Parrot your favourite shock jocks, believe everything said by Fox, ignore evidence that doesnt fit your understanding of events, attack anyone who says anything different. Are you a hoax? I hope so.
Saturday, December 6, 2014 1:09 PM
SIGNYM
I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.
Saturday, December 6, 2014 1:21 PM
1KIKI
Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.
Saturday, December 6, 2014 6:00 PM
JEWELSTAITEFAN
Saturday, December 6, 2014 6:42 PM
Sunday, December 7, 2014 2:27 AM
SHINYGOODGUY
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Talk about a dramatic entrance. When the St. Louis Rams took the field last Sunday, several teammates raised their hands, palms out. It was an act of solidarity with Michael Brown, the unarmed black teenager killed last August in a struggle with a white police officer. Moments before his demise, it is said, Brown raised his hands and pleaded: “Don’t shoot.” Since then “hands up, don’t shoot” has become the rallying cry of protesters and rioters furious that the officer, Darren Wilson, was not indicted by a grand jury. There is just one problem: It is not clear that Brown put his hands up. Nor is it certain that he said, “Don’t shoot.” On the contrary, the evidence released by the grand jury suggests that the fatal incident began when Brown assaulted Wilson. Indeed, the foundations of the Brown story have been eroding from the moment a St. Louis television station broadcast security video from the convenience store where Michael Brown, prior to his fatal encounter, stole merchandise and assaulted a clerk. It was for example claimed that Brown was shot in the back. The evidence before the grand jury showed that he was not. Is the movement to “de-militarize” the police that was sparked by Brown’s death therefore based on lies? “Those questions may never be answered,” says The New York Times, which campaigned for the indictment of Officer Wilson and sympathized with the violence and looting that has plagued Ferguson, Missouri, after the grand jury announced its decision. Well, maybe those questions won’t be answered. What I do know is that the Times would be much more definitive and much more emphatic if the empirical data conformed even in the slightest to its preferred narrative, to its politicized storyline of pacific young black men gunned down needlessly by racist cops. What I do know is that the sensational and electric assertions made by liberals to further their agenda, especially on issues of race and sex, have a habit of being untrue. And it is the recurrence of such factually suspect accounts that raises troubling questions about the relation of liberal myth to human reality. (The case of Eric Garner, in which there is video of the deadly engagement, is different and should not be conflated with the fable of Ferguson.) Liberal myths propagated to generate outrage and activism, to organize and coordinate and mobilize disparate grievances and conflicting agendas, so often have the same relation to truth, accuracy, and legitimacy as a Bud Light commercial. Marketing is not limited to business. Inside the office buildings of Washington, D.C., are thousands upon thousands of professionals whose livelihoods depend on the fact that there is no better way than a well-run public relations campaign to get you to do what they want. What recent weeks have done is provide several lessons in the suspect nature of such campaigns. The 2006 Duke Lacrosse case is the paradigmatic example of a liberal rush to judgment when the perceived victim is a minority (in that case, a black woman) and the alleged perpetrator a straight white male. But it is not the sole example. In 2007, an instructor at Columbia’s Teachers College specializing in racial “micro-aggressions” and under investigation for plagiarism discovered a noose hanging from her office door; when she was fired the following year for academic malfeasance it was widely suspected that she had put the noose there herself. The racist graffiti and Klan sightings that rocked the Oberlin campus in 2013 and served as the basis of an antiracism campaign were later revealed to be a left-wing “joke.” And of course the leader of the Michael Brown protest movement, tax cheat Al Sharpton, was involved in the Tawana Brawley hoax of 1987. Recently critics noted serious flaws in the reporting and writing of a Rolling Stone article that purports to describe a violent gang rape in a University of Virginia fraternity house. The article was the basis for the university’s decision to suspend Greek life on campus for the duration of 2014. The magazine was evasive in its response to the challenges. Then, on Friday afternoon, it released the following statement: “There now appear to be discrepancies in Jackie’s [the alleged victim's] account, and we have come to our conclusion that our trust in her was misplaced.” The story is false. Does it even matter? Some liberals are upfront that the factuality of these cases is secondary to their political import. “Actually, in both the case of the UVA rape and in the case of the killing of Michael Brown in Ferguson, Missouri,” says a writer for the New Republic digital media company, “the major takeaway of recent weeks should be that our systems do not work” (emphasis in the original). What the New Republic means by “our systems” is our systems of power: the institutions through which a free society allocates resources and decision making, chooses priorities, delegates responsibilities and authority. It is the goal of contemporary liberalism to command these institutions—in particular institutions resistant to the left such as police and fire departments, fraternal societies and private clubs, the military and extractive industry—and to alter them according to fashionable theories of equality and justice. The details are unimportant so long as the “takeaway” is communicated, the desired policy achieved. It is sometimes difficult to understand that, for the left, racism and sexism and prejudice are not ethical categories but political ones. We are not merely talking about bad manners when the subject turns to Michael Brown or UVA or Thomas Piketty. We are talking about power. “The new elite that seeks to supercede the old one, or merely share its power and honors, does not admit to such intention frankly and openly,” writes Vilfredo Pareto. “Instead it assumes the leadership of all the oppressed, declares that it will pursue not its own good but the good of the many; and it goes to battle, not for the rights of a restricted class but for the rights of almost the entire citizenry.” Such is the conduct of our new elite, the archons and tribunes of the “coalition of the ascendant,” which proclaims itself the advocate of minority rights, of the poor, of the sick, as it entrenches its power and furthers its self-interest. For an example of that rising and fabulist elite, look no further than Jonathan Gruber, the MIT economist who in a 2013 speech confided that the passage of Obamacare was due to a “lack of transparency” and “the stupidity of the American people or whatever.” Here is a highly compensated professional, who has received close to $6 million in consulting fees from state and federal government, admitting to like-minded audiences that the Obama administration rigged the process at the Congressional Budget Office, and that the law was written so if states did not establish health exchanges they would not receive Medicaid subsidies (the government is now arguing the opposite before the Supreme Court). The response? More lies: Nancy Pelosi says she’s never heard of Gruber, and the president and his former secretary of Health and Human Services minimize his role in creating their signature legislation. (Gruber visited the White House, including the Oval Office, more than 20 times.) Gruber hasn’t been delivering speeches over the last few years. He’s been delivering confessions. And his words only embitter the recollection of other Obamacare promises that have been exposed as false: that the law would cut the deficit, that it would lower health care premiums by $2,500, that if you like your plan you can keep your plan. What are the apocalyptic predictions of climate alarmists but Sorelian myths intended to shape legislation, regulation, and the culture in the radicals’ favor? To merely profess agnosticism on the subject of global warming is to elicit calls for one’s removal from the Washington Post. Yet the “pause” in warming has lasted for more than 15 years, leaving puzzled climate scientists, whose jobs depend on the imminence of crisis, speculating that the heat is hiding somewhere in the ocean. The “Climategate” emails revealed an insular and opaque scientific community sensitive to the political and financial ramifications of contradictory data. The sharknado-like hurricanes that environmentalists predicted as a consequence of global warming have yet to appear. Indeed, no hurricane has made landfall on Florida in nine years. I gave up predicting the weather the first time I didn’t do my homework in expectation of a snow day and was proven wrong. Nevertheless I recognize the political appeal of climate change, the rhetorical power of a threat to correlate forces, to direct their activity. Not to mention the aromatic whiff of potential economic rewards. Retrofitting an economy for a post-fossil fuel world is a business opportunity for well-connected entrepreneurs such as Elon Musk or the coal baron, radical environmentalist, billionaire, and Democratic mega-donor Tom Steyer, who is on record that the government-subsidized green energy bonanza is above all an opportunity “to make a lot of money.” So much of contemporary liberalism reeks of a scheme by which already affluent and influential people increase their margins and extend their sway. Liberalism, mind you, in both parties: the Republican elite seems as devoted as their Democratic cousins to the shibboleths of diversity and immigration even as they bemoan the fate of the middle class and seek desperately the votes of white working families. Just-so stories, extravagant assertions, heated denunciations, empty gestures, moral posturing that increases in intensity the further removed it is from the truth: If the mainstream narration of our ethnic, social, and cultural life is susceptible to error, it is because liberalism is the prevailing disposition of our institutions of higher education, of our media, of our nonprofit and public sectors, and it is therefore cocooned from skepticism and incredulity and independent thought. Sometimes the truth punctures the bubble. And when that happens—and lately it seems to be happening with increasing frequency—liberalism itself goes on trial. Has the jury reached a verdict? Yes, your honor, it has. We find the defendant guilty. Liberalism is a hoax. http://freebeacon.com/columns/liberalism-is-a-hoax/
Sunday, December 7, 2014 2:32 AM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: To Our Readers: Last month, Rolling Stone published a story titled "A Rape on Campus" by Sabrina Rubin Erdely, which described a brutal gang rape of a woman named Jackie at a University of Virginia fraternity house; the university's failure to respond to this alleged assault – and the school's troubling history of indifference to many other instances of alleged sexual assaults. The story generated worldwide headlines and much soul-searching at UVA. University president Teresa Sullivan promised a full investigation and also to examine the way the school responds to sexual assault allegations. Because of the sensitive nature of Jackie's story, we decided to honor her request not to contact the man she claimed orchestrated the attack on her nor any of the men she claimed participated in the attack for fear of retaliation against her. In the months Erdely spent reporting the story, Jackie neither said nor did anything that made Erdely, or Rolling Stone's editors and fact-checkers, question Jackie's credibility. Her friends and rape activists on campus strongly supported Jackie's account. She had spoken of the assault in campus forums. We reached out to both the local branch and the national leadership of the fraternity where Jackie said she was attacked. They responded that they couldn't confirm or deny her story but had concerns about the evidence. In the face of new information, there now appear to be discrepancies in Jackie's account, and we have come to the conclusion that our trust in her was misplaced. We were trying to be sensitive to the unfair shame and humiliation many women feel after a sexual assault and now regret the decision to not contact the alleged assaulters to get their account. We are taking this seriously and apologize to anyone who was affected by the story. Will Dana Managing Editor http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/news/a-note-to-our-readers-20141205 ( there's your mythical ' rape culture' , folks. )
Sunday, December 7, 2014 10:12 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY: Rolling Stone deserves the criticism it's getting for failing in the one area of journalism that is considered paramount even to a journalism student - follow up the claims by the subject, always follow up. Of course, that would be wasted on you - the reasonable gathering of facts is not within your mindset. SGG
Quote: ...........And extreme, right wing, death squad fascism isn't, especially when it's disguised as so much Conservatism. Hoax indeed!
Sunday, December 7, 2014 10:42 AM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Responsible gathering of facts IS within my mindset, as I've ever been critical of the Left's rush to judgement on Feguson, Duke Lacrosse, or the RS fake rape story. That's kinda the whole point here. Liberalism props up causes instead of dealing in fact. I am , to the contrary, all about the facts and the evidence.
Sunday, December 7, 2014 11:36 AM
Sunday, December 7, 2014 11:51 AM
Quote: originally posted by 1kiki: So, no rapes have EVER occurred at Duke - or UVA - or anywhere? No innocent unarmed blacks have EVER been killed at Ferguson - or anywhere?
Quote: There are NO problems that exist - anywhere? So 'Liberalism Is a Hoax' - right? Speaking of liars ...
Sunday, December 7, 2014 12:03 PM
Sunday, December 7, 2014 12:08 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: So, do no rapes occur anywhere? Do no innocent black men ever get shot by police anywhere? You failed to address those points.
Sunday, December 7, 2014 12:15 PM
Sunday, December 7, 2014 12:18 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: So, do no rapes occur anywhere? Do no innocent black men ever get shot by police anywhere? You failed to address those points. Two times. Are you going to make it three?
Sunday, December 7, 2014 12:22 PM
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Sunday, December 7, 2014 12:51 PM
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Sunday, December 7, 2014 1:32 PM
6IXSTRINGJACK
Sunday, December 7, 2014 1:43 PM
Sunday, December 7, 2014 1:47 PM
Quote: Originally posted by SIGNYM: No, not like that, rappy. You've got to think bigger. BTW- I heard an interview of a woman who personally knows the woman who reported the campus gang rape. She took the victim's statement at the time, and there is no doubt in her mind that the crime actually took place.
Quote: Just because Rolling Stone did a very poor job of reporting doesn't take away from the event. Those who read the story .... if they were alert and looking for evidence, as the go-around in the MH17, Russia invades Ukraine, and Ferguson threads emphasize ... would have noticed the gaps in reportage. They wouldn't have believed the story at face value, nor would they have felt personally betrayed by the evidence gaps. Allegations are just that: allegations. The only way to take them seriously is after a thorough and impartial investigation, when as much evidence as available is assembled. Eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable, so physical evidence needs to be gathered. If people would just stick with a modicum of objectivity, there would be fewer innocent people on death row, and the real perpetrators would be in jail. This has nothing to do with liberalism or conservatism specifically, and everything to do with "confirmation bias".
Sunday, December 7, 2014 1:51 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: Rappy, rappy, rappy Surely you remember that 'whites only' laws existed very recently.
Quote: And before that, slavery was legal in some places.
Quote: Does that seem like a just society?
Quote: What about the overwhelming victimization of women by rape?
Sunday, December 7, 2014 2:11 PM
Sunday, December 7, 2014 3:05 PM
Quote: You literally could not be more wrong, even if you tried. Responsible gathering of facts IS within my mindset, as I've ever been critical of the Left's rush to judgement on Feguson, Duke Lacrosse, or the RS fake rape story. That's kinda the whole point here. Liberalism props up causes instead of dealing in fact. I am , to the contrary, all about the facts and the evidence. " Science as a candle in the dark " is sort of a motto I hold to, from Sagan's Demon Haunted World. One of my all time favorite books, along w/ Michael Shermer's Why People Believe Weird Things.
Sunday, December 7, 2014 4:38 PM
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: How about the Duke Lacrosse team?
Sunday, December 7, 2014 4:44 PM
Quote: "Asking whether or not a victim is telling the truth is irrelevant," Ms. Hess proclaimed. "It's just not important if they are telling the truth.
Sunday, December 7, 2014 4:58 PM
Sunday, December 7, 2014 5:48 PM
Sunday, December 7, 2014 7:30 PM
Sunday, December 7, 2014 8:45 PM
Quote: Talk about a dramatic entrance. When the St. Louis Rams took the field last Sunday, several teammates raised their hands, palms out. It was an act of solidarity with Michael Brown, the unarmed black teenager killed last August in a struggle with a white police officer. Moments before his demise, it is said, Brown raised his hands and pleaded: “Don’t shoot.” Since then “hands up, don’t shoot” has become the rallying cry of protesters and rioters furious that the officer, Darren Wilson, was not indicted by a grand jury. There is just one problem: It is not clear that Brown put his hands up. Nor is it certain that he said, “Don’t shoot.” On the contrary, the evidence released by the grand jury suggests that the fatal incident began when Brown assaulted Wilson. Indeed, the foundations of the Brown story have been eroding from the moment a St. Louis television station broadcast security video from the convenience store where Michael Brown, prior to his fatal encounter, stole merchandise and assaulted a clerk. It was for example claimed that Brown was shot in the back. The evidence before the grand jury showed that he was not.
Quote: Is the movement to “de-militarize” the police that was sparked by Brown’s death therefore based on lies? “Those questions may never be answered,” says The New York Times, which campaigned for the indictment of Officer Wilson and sympathized with the violence and looting that has plagued Ferguson, Missouri, after the grand jury announced its decision.
Quote:Well, maybe those questions won’t be answered. What I do know is that the Times would be much more definitive and much more emphatic if the empirical data conformed even in the slightest to its preferred narrative, to its politicized storyline of pacific young black men gunned down needlessly by racist cops. What I do know is that the sensational and electric assertions made by liberals to further their agenda, especially on issues of race and sex, have a habit of being untrue. And it is the recurrence of such factually suspect accounts that raises troubling questions about the relation of liberal myth to human reality. (The case of Eric Garner, in which there is video of the deadly engagement, is different and should not be conflated with the fable of Ferguson.)
Quote:Liberal myths propagated to generate outrage and activism, to organize and coordinate and mobilize disparate grievances and conflicting agendas, so often have the same relation to truth, accuracy, and legitimacy as a Bud Light commercial. Marketing is not limited to business. Inside the office buildings of Washington, D.C., are thousands upon thousands of professionals whose livelihoods depend on the fact that there is no better way than a well-run public relations campaign to get you to do what they want. What recent weeks have done is provide several lessons in the suspect nature of such campaigns.
Quote:The 2006 Duke Lacrosse case is the paradigmatic example of a liberal rush to judgment when the perceived victim is a minority (in that case, a black woman) and the alleged perpetrator a straight white male. But it is not the sole example.
Quote:In 2007, an instructor at Columbia’s Teachers College specializing in racial “micro-aggressions” and under investigation for plagiarism discovered a noose hanging from her office door; when she was fired the following year for academic malfeasance it was widely suspected that she had put the noose there herself. The racist graffiti and Klan sightings that rocked the Oberlin campus in 2013 and served as the basis of an antiracism campaign were later revealed to be a left-wing “joke.” And of course the leader of the Michael Brown protest movement, tax cheat Al Sharpton, was involved in the Tawana Brawley hoax of 1987.
Quote:Recently critics noted serious flaws in the reporting and writing of a Rolling Stone article that purports to describe a violent gang rape in a University of Virginia fraternity house. The article was the basis for the university’s decision to suspend Greek life on campus for the duration of 2014. The magazine was evasive in its response to the challenges. Then, on Friday afternoon, it released the following statement: “There now appear to be discrepancies in Jackie’s [the alleged victim's] account, and we have come to our conclusion that our trust in her was misplaced.” The story is false.
Quote:Does it even matter? Some liberals are upfront that the factuality of these cases is secondary to their political import. “Actually, in both the case of the UVA rape and in the case of the killing of Michael Brown in Ferguson, Missouri,” says a writer for the New Republic digital media company, “the major takeaway of recent weeks should be that our systems do not work” (emphasis in the original).
Quote:What the New Republic means by “our systems” is our systems of power: the institutions through which a free society allocates resources and decision making, chooses priorities, delegates responsibilities and authority. It is the goal of contemporary liberalism to command these institutions—in particular institutions resistant to the left such as police and fire departments, fraternal societies and private clubs, the military and extractive industry—and to alter them according to fashionable theories of equality and justice. The details are unimportant so long as the “takeaway” is communicated, the desired policy achieved.
Quote:It is sometimes difficult to understand that, for the left, racism and sexism and prejudice are not ethical categories but political ones. We are not merely talking about bad manners when the subject turns to Michael Brown or UVA or Thomas Piketty. We are talking about power.
Quote:“The new elite that seeks to supercede the old one, or merely share its power and honors, does not admit to such intention frankly and openly,” writes Vilfredo Pareto. “Instead it assumes the leadership of all the oppressed, declares that it will pursue not its own good but the good of the many; and it goes to battle, not for the rights of a restricted class but for the rights of almost the entire citizenry.”
Quote: Such is the conduct of our new elite, the archons and tribunes of the “coalition of the ascendant,” which proclaims itself the advocate of minority rights, of the poor, of the sick, as it entrenches its power and furthers its self-interest.
Quote:For an example of that rising and fabulist elite, look no further than Jonathan Gruber, the MIT economist who in a 2013 speech confided that the passage of Obamacare was due to a “lack of transparency” and “the stupidity of the American people or whatever.” Here is a highly compensated professional, who has received close to $6 million in consulting fees from state and federal government, admitting to like-minded audiences that the Obama administration rigged the process at the Congressional Budget Office, and that the law was written so if states did not establish health exchanges they would not receive Medicaid subsidies (the government is now arguing the opposite before the Supreme Court).
Quote:The response? More lies: Nancy Pelosi says she’s never heard of Gruber, and the president and his former secretary of Health and Human Services minimize his role in creating their signature legislation. (Gruber visited the White House, including the Oval Office, more than 20 times.) Gruber hasn’t been delivering speeches over the last few years. He’s been delivering confessions. And his words only embitter the recollection of other Obamacare promises that have been exposed as false: that the law would cut the deficit, that it would lower health care premiums by $2,500, that if you like your plan you can keep your plan.
Quote:What are the apocalyptic predictions of climate alarmists but Sorelian myths intended to shape legislation, regulation, and the culture in the radicals’ favor? To merely profess agnosticism on the subject of global warming is to elicit calls for one’s removal from the Washington Post. Yet the “pause” in warming has lasted for more than 15 years, leaving puzzled climate scientists, whose jobs depend on the imminence of crisis, speculating that the heat is hiding somewhere in the ocean. The “Climategate” emails revealed an insular and opaque scientific community sensitive to the political and financial ramifications of contradictory data. The sharknado-like hurricanes that environmentalists predicted as a consequence of global warming have yet to appear. Indeed, no hurricane has made landfall on Florida in nine years. I gave up predicting the weather the first time I didn’t do my homework in expectation of a snow day and was proven wrong. Nevertheless I recognize the political appeal of climate change, the rhetorical power of a threat to correlate forces, to direct their activity. Not to mention the aromatic whiff of potential economic rewards. Retrofitting an economy for a post-fossil fuel world is a business opportunity for well-connected entrepreneurs such as Elon Musk or the coal baron, radical environmentalist, billionaire, and Democratic mega-donor Tom Steyer, who is on record that the government-subsidized green energy bonanza is above all an opportunity “to make a lot of money.”
Quote:So much of contemporary liberalism reeks of a scheme by which already affluent and influential people increase their margins and extend their sway. Liberalism, mind you, in both parties: the Republican elite seems as devoted as their Democratic cousins to the shibboleths of diversity and immigration even as they bemoan the fate of the middle class and seek desperately the votes of white working families.
Quote:Just-so stories, extravagant assertions, heated denunciations, empty gestures, moral posturing that increases in intensity the further removed it is from the truth: If the mainstream narration of our ethnic, social, and cultural life is susceptible to error, it is because neo-conservatism is the prevailing disposition of our financial institutions, our powerful military, of our government, of our media and our incredibly powerful corporations, and it is therefore cocooned from skepticism and incredulity and independent thought. Sometimes the truth punctures the bubble. And when that happens—and lately it seems to be happening with increasing frequency—neo-conservatism itself goes on trial. Has the jury reached a verdict? Yes, your honor, it has. We find the defendant guilty. This whole article is a hoax.
Sunday, December 7, 2014 11:03 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: Does the overwhelming number of women raped compared to men constitute an injustice experienced by a segment of society? Does the overwhelming percentage of male rapists indicate a culture of entitlement? Is it not correct to characterize it as a rape culture?
Sunday, December 7, 2014 11:56 PM
Monday, December 8, 2014 1:04 AM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: Does the overwhelming number of women raped compared to men constitute an injustice experienced by a segment of society? Does the overwhelming percentage of male rapists indicate a culture of entitlement? Is it not correct to characterize it as a rape culture? Nope and nope.
Monday, December 8, 2014 5:01 AM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Quote:Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY: Rolling Stone deserves the criticism it's getting for failing in the one area of journalism that is considered paramount even to a journalism student - follow up the claims by the subject, always follow up. Of course, that would be wasted on you - the reasonable gathering of facts is not within your mindset. SGG You literally could not be more wrong, even if you tried. Responsible gathering of facts IS within my mindset, as I've ever been critical of the Left's rush to judgement on Feguson, Duke Lacrosse, or the RS fake rape story. That's kinda the whole point here. Liberalism props up causes instead of dealing in fact. I am , to the contrary, all about the facts and the evidence. " Science as a candle in the dark " is sort of a motto I hold to, from Sagan's Demon Haunted World. One of my all time favorite books, along w/ Michael Shermer's Why People Believe Weird Things. Quote: ...........And extreme, right wing, death squad fascism isn't, especially when it's disguised as so much Conservatism. Hoax indeed! what in the wide world of sports are you even talking about ? Can't even offer up any examples, can ya ?
Monday, December 8, 2014 5:11 AM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: And there is it. To MAKE SOCIETY. Innocent blacks get shot, innocent whites get shot. The proportion is exactly the same. 1 person to 1 person. The Left tries to make 'systemic' issues where there are none.
Monday, December 8, 2014 5:55 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY: When was the last time a white man was shot 6 times and killed by a black cop, or white cop for that matter? An unarmed white man or teen! SGG Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: And there is it. To MAKE SOCIETY. Innocent blacks get shot, innocent whites get shot. The proportion is exactly the same. 1 person to 1 person. The Left tries to make 'systemic' issues where there are none.
Quote: Unarmed White Teen Gunned Down by Black Cop… Where’s the Outrage? Thursday, November 27th, 2014 Recently an 18-year-old University of South Alabama student, Gil Collar, was shot and killed by a campus police officer. At the time of the shooting, the student was under the influence of LSD and exhibiting erratic behavior around the campus police station. A two-minute video of the incident was played for the media by the Mobile County sheriff’s department. A security camera mounted on the campus police station at the university and recorded most of the entire incident including the shooting. (H/T ReadyChimp) Collar was seen acting “aggressively” in the short video, first walking up to the campus police station, pounding on the window and then walking away from it. He then walked back up to the station and again retreated. At that point, black police officer Trevis Austin stepped outside from the station with his gun drawn and pointed at Collar, who reportedly had his “arms outstretched and palms open,” according to Austin. The two then moved around the building, with Collar kneeling at one point and then standing back up and walking toward the officer. The officer had his firearm trained on the white student as he approached the officer. They both moved into the yard and though the camera shot from that angle was partially blocked, it showed Collar dropping to the ground after having been shot once in the chest. The entire incident played out within thirty seconds after Austin came out of the building. Jere Beasley, attorney for the Collar family, said about the shooting, “I can tell you without reservation nothing we saw in the videotape justified the use of deadly force in this case.” Sound familiar? The point is that while we may never know if deadly force was justified – where is Al Sharpton on this one? This was a black cop shooting an unarmed white teenager. Why aren’t predominantly white neighborhoods being set on fire right now? Why aren’t whites looting, rioting and flipping over cars? This incident, which eerily parallels in many ways that of the Mike Brown shooting, clearly and unequivocally shows that race-baiters like Sharpton, Holder and even Obama himself know exactly what they’re doing when it comes to pushing racial tensions over the edge. http://conservativetribune.com/white-teen-shot-by-black-cop/
Quote: Georgia teen holding Wii remote shot by cops at his front door: family lawyer Christopher Roupe, 17, was shot by a Euharlee police officer on Friday when he answered the door. Police say he was pointing a handgun, not the video game device. Roupe was an aspiring Marine, his family said http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/georgia-teen-holding-wii-remote-shot-cops-front-door-family-lawyer-article-1.1619842
Monday, December 8, 2014 11:02 AM
JO753
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Monday, December 8, 2014 11:26 AM
Monday, December 8, 2014 11:55 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Magonsdaughter: Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: Does the overwhelming number of women raped compared to men constitute an injustice experienced by a segment of society? Does the overwhelming percentage of male rapists indicate a culture of entitlement? Is it not correct to characterize it as a rape culture? Nope and nope. So the stats are acceptable to you? Or incorrect? C'mon, Rap. Stop dancing around issues. You condemn and disagree, but have you ever actually explained an opinion in any more detail than 3 lines?
Monday, December 8, 2014 1:03 PM
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