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Ferguson

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Tuesday, November 11, 2014 12:02 PM

SHINYGOODGUY


Ferguson, Missouri is gearing up for a battle royal with the citizens of Ferguson.

That's a strong message that the Grand Jury will not be bringing charges against Wilson. This is definitely a test case.

If that's the case, then the citizens of Ferguson were right all along about the DA's lack of conviction toward a fair and impartial pursuit of the truth. I don't want to hear how Brown went for his gun (the Zimmerman defense, a typical excuse to kill with impunity) because 10 separate witnesses testified that he was in the surrender position, and yet Wilson disregarded his plea for life.

May God Bless the town of Ferguson


SGG

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Tuesday, November 11, 2014 8:06 PM

JONGSSTRAW


There are witnesses, including many black witnesses, who disagree with the mob ... no surrender position, no plea for life.

Quote:

"more than a half-dozen unnamed black witnesses have provided testimony to a St. Louis County grand jury that largely supports Wilson’s account of events"


http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/new-evidence-supports-officers-
account-of-shooting-in-ferguson/2014/10/22/cf38c7b4-5964-11e4-bd61-346aee66ba29_story.html



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Tuesday, November 11, 2014 10:08 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


I can honestly say, no matter what comes down from the grand jury, I won't be rioting or destroying property.

Not my own, not a strangers.


Wish the folks in Ferguson could make the same pledge, and stick to it.

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Tuesday, November 11, 2014 11:34 PM

1KIKI

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Yes, they need to lie down, expose their necks, and be good little serfs.




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Wednesday, November 12, 2014 3:49 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


The authorities are preparing for the worst, not those who choose to exercise their rights to protest. Remember that is spelled out in the Constitution, the right to peaceably assemble - there are others besides the 2nd Amendment.

I won't be rioting or destroying anyone's property either.

But I'm trying hard to understand what that has to do with Ferguson, the DA, injustice and the people's rights. You, of all people, should be first in line to defend the right to assemble ...........

Let me see if I could make this clear - regardless if Brown was 7 feet tall and weighed 500 lbs., to gun down an unarmed man is the cruelest of all sins. Besides, everyone in Ferguson is entering into this with an agenda. Trouble is all this is being exploited by the authorities in Ferguson, just to divert attention away from the ugly truth.


SGG




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Originally posted by AURaptor:
I can honestly say, no matter what comes down from the grand jury, I won't be rioting or destroying property.

Not my own, not a strangers.


Wish the folks in Ferguson could make the same pledge, and stick to it.


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Wednesday, November 12, 2014 6:21 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
The authorities are preparing for the worst, not those who choose to exercise their rights to protest. Remember that is spelled out in the Constitution, the right to peaceably assemble - there are others besides the 2nd Amendment.



I doubt any there even know the constitution, or want to know. And PEACEABLY assemble ? That's funny. If they followed Rev MLK Jr's lead, many more may at least listen. But there isn't one like that anywhere in that crowd to be found.

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I won't be rioting or destroying anyone's property either.

But I'm trying hard to understand what that has to do with Ferguson, the DA, injustice and the people's rights. You, of all people, should be first in line to defend the right to assemble ...........



They've proven they can't merely ' assemble' with out property being destroyed, shots being fired, and threaten to do much worse.

Sadly, most of that vitriol comes from OUTSIDE Ferguson, so it's not really " the people " of that community.

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Let me see if I could make this clear - regardless if Brown was 7 feet tall and weighed 500 lbs., to gun down an unarmed man is the cruelest of all sins. Besides, everyone in Ferguson is entering into this with an agenda. Trouble is all this is being exploited by the authorities in Ferguson, just to divert attention away from the ugly truth.


SGG



Cops have the right to defend themselves. That's why every cop carries a gun. It's for THEIR protection, not yours. Cruelest of sins ? Hardly. The ugliest of truths may be the one you just simply don't want to accept...

The officer rightfully defended himself from an attacking thug, under the influence, who was trying to take his gun. It may very well just be that, a tragic result ( I won't call it an accident ) of some really stupid choices made.

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Wednesday, November 12, 2014 10:33 AM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Ferguson, Missouri is gearing up for a battle royal with the citizens of Ferguson.

That's a strong message that the Grand Jury will not be bringing charges against Wilson. This is definitely a test case.

If that's the case, then the citizens of Ferguson were right all along about the DA's lack of conviction toward a fair and impartial pursuit of the truth. I don't want to hear how Brown went for his gun (the Zimmerman defense, a typical excuse to kill with impunity) because 10 separate witnesses testified that he was in the surrender position, and yet Wilson disregarded his plea for life.

May God Bless the town of Ferguson


SGG



If you do not wish to hear how the physical evidence backs the officers statement, and shows many of the so called witnesses statements to be false, and if you whish to show Brown did not go for the officers gun, then explain away how Browns blood shows up on the officer and within the car. Explain away how gun power on Browns hand shows a very close proximity between Browns hand and the gun when fired.

If you believe for one minute that the officer tried to pull Brown, a 6'4" 300 pound man into the police car through the car window placing Brown on top of himself, then you are a very stupid individual. Case closed, once you go for a cops gun while assaulting him as he is sitting in his car, you are under no circumstances allowed to leave the scene. And if you are that big, turn and come back at the officer, boom, your dead.

As far as the Zimmerman case, it has been based upon the fact that white bigots are responsible for him being found innocent. Zimmerman was not white. Let me remind you again, Zimmerman was Hispanic not white, so if the evidence proved him guilty then the same so called white bigots would have convicted him and gotten a two for one deal. To suggest the jury was bigoted, yet let a Hispanic man go free because why, they hate blacks and not Hispanics; is moronic.

Some people here always cry wolf. These people have no credibility. Funny how with them the cop is always guilty and solid evidence when presented goes unheeded. In this case it appears the officers story is closer to the truth than what is clamed by many witnesses. Get over it.

I pointed to the officers innocence when this first happened because of the claim that the officer pulled Brown into the car the way he did; no way. I tried to suggest there are problems that needed addressing(such as why this keeps happening and what can be done to change things) and to focusing on that, to no avail. All you want to do is the white black hate thing. You will be having the same discussion to this type of incident whenever it occurs. Have at it, but remember, you and the way you chose to see things are part of the problem.





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Wednesday, November 12, 2014 11:08 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Cops have the right to defend themselves. That's why every cop carries a gun. It's for THEIR protection, not yours.

Cops need to carry not one, but two guns. The second is the "throwdown" gun. It is a Texas tradition that isn't followed as frequently as it once was. I'm just trying to give a constructive and helpful comment. www.nytimes.com/1981/03/11/movies/tv-the-killing-of-randy-webster.html

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, November 12, 2014 12:40 PM

AURAPTOR

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Ferguson isn't in Texas & there was only 1 gun involved here, the cop's.

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Wednesday, November 12, 2014 2:08 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Ferguson isn't in Texas & there was only 1 gun involved here, the cop's.

A "throwdown" would have made it crystal-clear that the dead man was in the wrong. The cop, in front of the grand jury, points to the throwdown gun or knife and the case is closed. One piece of fake evidence will triumph over any number of eyewitnesses. What worked in Texas can work in Missouri. - http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=432475

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, November 12, 2014 3:09 PM

THGRRI


Yes TWO but it is not what happened. Therefore it is not helpful and only anecdotal information.

The expression anecdotal evidence refers to evidence from anecdotes. Because of the small sample, there is a larger chance that it may be unreliable due to cherry-picked or otherwise non-representative samples of typical cases and generally what happens in these discussions.

The only way to get it right is to stick to the facts of the case. Anything else should be classified as something other that the facts and be put into it's own thread.


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Wednesday, November 12, 2014 6:52 PM

1KIKI

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Wednesday, November 12, 2014 6:58 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


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Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Ferguson isn't in Texas & there was only 1 gun involved here, the cop's.

A "throwdown" would have made it crystal-clear that the dead man was in the wrong. The cop, in front of the grand jury, points to the throwdown gun or knife and the case is closed. One piece of fake evidence will triumph over any number of eyewitnesses. What worked in Texas can work in Missouri. - http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=432475

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly



But there was no throwdown gun, so your point is moot here.

In fact, a throwdown would likely hurt Officer Wilson's case, or at least put in to greater doubt that Brown and Officer Wilson struggled for the cop's gun.

This is just inane, nonsensical poisoning of the well, to stir up animus against cops. One cop, in particular, who may very well be innocent of any wrong doing.

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Wednesday, November 12, 2014 7:34 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


We'll see how the grand jury decides. Tho my opinion is that grand juries aren't juries per se - it SHOULD be left to jury in a court of law to determine guilt or non-guilt.

I think one could justify the initial shot - but not the rest. The officer was in no immediate danger.




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Wednesday, November 12, 2014 7:39 PM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
We'll see how the grand jury decides. Tho my opinion is that grand juries aren't juries per se - it SHOULD be left to jury in a court of law to determine guilt or non-guilt.

I think one could justify the initial shot - but not the rest. The officer was in no immediate danger.




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He was 6 foot 4, 300 pounds. There was never a time when the officer was not in danger. Remember the store owner from just a few moments before? This kid was out of control.

A grand jury decides if there is to be a trial. That is so we do not waste the communities money and time. Being tried also shows up or creates a record for the person charged. If it does not warrant a trial then the person is not burdened with a record.


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Wednesday, November 12, 2014 7:54 PM

AURAPTOR

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If there's enough evidence to even go to trial, then the grand jury will do the right thing.

Of course, if it's a political witch hunt, like what we saw in Sanford, Florida, then toss reason out the window.


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Thursday, November 13, 2014 12:45 AM

JONGSSTRAW


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

If there's enough evidence to even go to trial, then the grand jury will do the right thing.

Of course, if it's a political witch hunt, like what we saw in Sanford, Florida, then toss reason out the window.



You summed it up perfectly.

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Thursday, November 13, 2014 1:09 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Well, let's see how your logic stands up, THUGR. There was NEVER a time when the officer was NOT in danger. How about a block away? 100 feet away? 50 feet away? Do you agree that some distance would put him out of danger?




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Thursday, November 13, 2014 1:12 AM

1KIKI

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Yes, because an armed white guy who stalks a unarmed black guy deserves to be able to shoot him too.

And let me point out - I see all the racists have come out to howl.




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Thursday, November 13, 2014 1:37 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


Yes, listen to him Second. How could Wilson use the Zimmerman defense if he introduces another gun. Don't worry, with the DA squarely in his corner, and the Grand Jury about to exonerate him - well, it's all good! Won't even come to trial.

Hell, the fact that he has yet to be arrested speaks volumes. This is a done deal.

Next case!!!


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Ferguson isn't in Texas & there was only 1 gun involved here, the cop's.

A "throwdown" would have made it crystal-clear that the dead man was in the wrong. The cop, in front of the grand jury, points to the throwdown gun or knife and the case is closed. One piece of fake evidence will triumph over any number of eyewitnesses. What worked in Texas can work in Missouri. - http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=432475

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly



But there was no throwdown gun, so your point is moot here.

In fact, a throwdown would likely hurt Officer Wilson's case, or at least put in to greater doubt that Brown and Officer Wilson struggled for the cop's gun.

This is just inane, nonsensical poisoning of the well, to stir up animus against cops. One cop, in particular, who may very well be innocent of any wrong doing.


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Thursday, November 13, 2014 2:15 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


Gosh darn it! Cheese and crackers! You're right! That little speech has done the impossible - you changed my mind, you changed my mind with your wonderful words. Praise Jesus! I see the light!

I was so caught up in my foolish heart with prejudice and hate for the stupid white bigots, that I failed to see the truth, and your brilliant logical full on explanation did the trick. I'm a changed man. You know, after the way you explained the physical evidence, it was as though I was there. They should hire you in the DA's office - you brilliant man, you!


through that window, reach across Wilson's body, over the steering wheel and across his waist, to grab his gun from the holster on his right hip, and pull it out - all before he could react. Or maybe officer wilson was so in shock that he froze. That's why he was able to pull it out of his holster, plus Brown used his huge 300 pound body to pin him against the car seat while h took his gun.

Then, our hero, officer wilson, regained his composure and slapped the big criminal thirsting for his blood, in the face and took the gun shot him. The force of the shot made him fall to the ground 30 feet away from the car. The brave and shaken officer wilson, scared shitless for his precious life coolly got out of his car and calmly told Brown to surrender. Brown ignoring his authority, in a moment of crazed, animalistic rage charged the brave officer and he reluctantly was forced to defend his life and that of the fair citizens of Ferguson, the people he has sworn to protect and serve, and he shot a couple of times. All warning shots, so as not to cause Brown any harm and bring his jaywalking ass to justice (in front of Judge Parker at his convenience).

To protect the innocent eyes of the young people of Ferguson officer wilson quickly covered the now dead bleeding body of the brute. So thoughtful was he of his shooting victim, he tried desperately to clean up the brain matter that exploded from his giant head. officer wilson was so filled with emotion that he chose to go home and hide........er, sit and meditate about the life and death struggle he had with Brown and how he had to take a life.

THGRRI you showed me the error of my ways, that I wish to thank you for taking the time to educate me - I feel so petty, so small. You have enlightened me to such a point that I will never, ever, ever utter the words that now hurt my ears just to think of them - YOU STUPID WHITE BIGOTS CAN SUCK MY DICK! Gone are those days when my prejudice would have me declare I'LL SHOOT ANY MOTHERFUCKER WHO EVEN LOOKS AT ME SIDEWAYS. CUNT, BITCHASS HONKIES!!!

Thank God for you THGRRI, you are a man among boys (sucking on their pee pee's)


I am no longer the BIGOTED SGG, I am now Son of THGRRI (whatever the fuck that means)


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Originally posted by THGRRI:
Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Ferguson, Missouri is gearing up for a battle royal with the citizens of Ferguson.

That's a strong message that the Grand Jury will not be bringing charges against Wilson. This is definitely a test case.

If that's the case, then the citizens of Ferguson were right all along about the DA's lack of conviction toward a fair and impartial pursuit of the truth. I don't want to hear how Brown went for his gun (the Zimmerman defense, a typical excuse to kill with impunity) because 10 separate witnesses testified that he was in the surrender position, and yet Wilson disregarded his plea for life.

May God Bless the town of Ferguson


SGG



If you do not wish to hear how the physical evidence backs the officers statement, and shows many of the so called witnesses statements to be false, and if you whish to show Brown did not go for the officers gun, then explain away how Browns blood shows up on the officer and within the car. Explain away how gun power on Browns hand shows a very close proximity between Browns hand and the gun when fired.

If you believe for one minute that the officer tried to pull Brown, a 6'4" 300 pound man into the police car through the car window placing Brown on top of himself, then you are a very stupid individual. Case closed, once you go for a cops gun while assaulting him as he is sitting in his car, you are under no circumstances allowed to leave the scene. And if you are that big, turn and come back at the officer, boom, your dead.

As far as the Zimmerman case, it has been based upon the fact that white bigots are responsible for him being found innocent. Zimmerman was not white. Let me remind you again, Zimmerman was Hispanic not white, so if the evidence proved him guilty then the same so called white bigots would have convicted him and gotten a two for one deal. To suggest the jury was bigoted, yet let a Hispanic man go free because why, they hate blacks and not Hispanics; is moronic.

Some people here always cry wolf. These people have no credibility. Funny how with them the cop is always guilty and solid evidence when presented goes unheeded. In this case it appears the officers story is closer to the truth than what is clamed by many witnesses. Get over it.

I pointed to the officers innocence when this first happened because of the claim that the officer pulled Brown into the car the way he did; no way. I tried to suggest there are problems that needed addressing(such as why this keeps happening and what can be done to change things) and to focusing on that, to no avail. All you want to do is the white black hate thing. You will be having the same discussion to this type of incident whenever it occurs. Have at it, but remember, you and the way you chose to see things are part of the problem.






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Thursday, November 13, 2014 3:04 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


Toss reason, toss salad, toss donder and blitzen,

Hell, for that matter, Toss slim and none!


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

If there's enough evidence to even go to trial, then the grand jury will do the right thing.

Of course, if it's a political witch hunt, like what we saw in Sanford, Florida, then toss reason out the window.



You summed it up perfectly.


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Thursday, November 13, 2014 3:09 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


Cops have the right to defend themselves. That's why every cop carries a gun. It's for THEIR protection, not yours. Cruelest of sins ? Hardly. The ugliest of truths may be the one you just simply don't want to accept...

OMFG! You have lost it for sure now. They have guns to protect themselves and NOT us. Actually, you're right.........unarmed beware!


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
The authorities are preparing for the worst, not those who choose to exercise their rights to protest. Remember that is spelled out in the Constitution, the right to peaceably assemble - there are others besides the 2nd Amendment.



I doubt any there even know the constitution, or want to know. And PEACEABLY assemble ? That's funny. If they followed Rev MLK Jr's lead, many more may at least listen. But there isn't one like that anywhere in that crowd to be found.

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I won't be rioting or destroying anyone's property either.

But I'm trying hard to understand what that has to do with Ferguson, the DA, injustice and the people's rights. You, of all people, should be first in line to defend the right to assemble ...........



They've proven they can't merely ' assemble' with out property being destroyed, shots being fired, and threaten to do much worse.

Sadly, most of that vitriol comes from OUTSIDE Ferguson, so it's not really " the people " of that community.

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Let me see if I could make this clear - regardless if Brown was 7 feet tall and weighed 500 lbs., to gun down an unarmed man is the cruelest of all sins. Besides, everyone in Ferguson is entering into this with an agenda. Trouble is all this is being exploited by the authorities in Ferguson, just to divert attention away from the ugly truth.


SGG



Cops have the right to defend themselves. That's why every cop carries a gun. It's for THEIR protection, not yours. Cruelest of sins ? Hardly. The ugliest of truths may be the one you just simply don't want to accept...

The officer rightfully defended himself from an attacking thug, under the influence, who was trying to take his gun. It may very well just be that, a tragic result ( I won't call it an accident ) of some really stupid choices made.


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Thursday, November 13, 2014 5:52 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
Yes, because an armed white guy who stalks a unarmed black guy deserves to be able to shoot him too.

And let me point out - I see all the racists have come out to howl.




Proof that anyone was 'stalking' ? Cites ?

And how does racism come into the equation here ? Do you KNOW what was in the mind of the officer before he was attacked ? While he was attacked ?

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Thursday, November 13, 2014 8:08 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

Do you KNOW what was in the mind of the officer before he was attacked ? While he was attacked ?

“In my capacity as the forensic examiner for the New York State Police, I would say, ‘You’re not supposed to shoot so many times,’ ” said Dr. Baden, who retired from the state police in 2011.

Some of the bullets entered and exited several times, including one that left at least five different wounds.

Mr. Brown’s body remained in the street for several hours, a delay that Chief Jackson said last week made him “uncomfortable.”

“They shot that boy ’cause they wanted to,” said one woman who can be heard on the video.

www.nytimes.com/2014/08/18/us/michael-brown-autopsy-shows-he-was-shot-
at-least-6-times.html



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Thursday, November 13, 2014 10:05 AM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
Well, let's see how your logic stands up, THUGR. There was NEVER a time when the officer was NOT in danger. How about a block away? 100 feet away? 50 feet away? Do you agree that some distance would put him out of danger?




Your a moron. Brown and the officer were never more than a few feet from each other. That makes your point mute. I said there was never a time when the officer was not in danger due to the distance between himself and Brown throughout the incident. What would have happened if Brown managed to put more distance between himself and the officer is irrelevant since it never happened.

Your attempt to change the dynamic's of the encounter, shows just how strong ignoring the facts and blaming the officer runs within you. It does not surprise me because I witness this behavior coming from you in all the threads you chose to contribute your brand of chaos to.


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Thursday, November 13, 2014 10:10 AM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

Do you KNOW what was in the mind of the officer before he was attacked ? While he was attacked ?

“In my capacity as the forensic examiner for the New York State Police, I would say, ‘You’re not supposed to shoot so many times,’ ” said Dr. Baden, who retired from the state police in 2011.



It's a little different when it is going down then when the guy is lying on a slab being examined. Especially after the guy tried to take your gun, and do who knows what? The examination also showed until Brown was shot in the head, he wounds were not sufficient enough to stop his aggression.

Again this is pointless. Admitting that the problem started long before Brown was shot, and what can be done to change that for the next generation, is what should be discussed. Instead to many just want to argue who is to blame, the cop or the Perp.





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Thursday, November 13, 2014 10:29 AM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
Yes, because an armed white guy who stalks a unarmed black guy deserves to be able to shoot him too.

And let me point out - I see all the racists have come out to howl.




Proof that anyone was 'stalking' ? Cites ?

And how does racism come into the equation here ? Do you KNOW what was in the mind of the officer before he was attacked ? While he was attacked ?



1kiki is referring to Zimmerman because she refuses to acknowledge the guy was Hispanic not White. If instead she is talking about the officer in Ferguson, then 1kiki is nothing more than delusional. Another consideration is, if 1kiki is talking about a different incidence than either of these, it shows how far she is willing to go to change the dynamics of the discussion rather than deal with the facts.


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Thursday, November 13, 2014 10:37 AM

AURAPTOR

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second - so the answer to my question is " no ".

Thanks.


And any chance Wilson could have made a tragic mistake while NOT being a dirtbag klan loving racist?

Is that even possible?

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Thursday, November 13, 2014 7:36 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Ferguson, Missouri is gearing up for a battle royal with the citizens of Ferguson.


Starting off your post with a lie does not bode well. The CITIZENS of Ferguson are hiding in their houses, hoping that the race-mongers, race-baiters, race-card miscreants, and other racists with just leave their town, and let the cops put in jail all the other criminals who are claiming to be unbiased witnesses.
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That's a strong message that the Grand Jury will not be bringing charges against Wilson. This is definitely a test case.


Boo hoo. Justice does not suit your cause? You insist upon having Injustice served?
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If that's the case, then the


race-baiting interlopers
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of Ferguson were right all along about the DA's lack of conviction toward a fair and impartial pursuit of the truth. I don't want to hear how Brown went for his gun (the Zimmerman defense, a typical excuse to kill with impunity) because 10 separate witnesses


who were Brown's criminal cohorts
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testified that he was in the surrender position, and Wilson disregarded his plea for life.
SGG


While the witnesses who were not engaged in crimes at the moment, nor career criminals, all testified the same as Wilson.

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Thursday, November 13, 2014 9:31 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.





Your (sic) a moron. Brown and the officer were never more than a few feet from each other. That makes your point mute (sic). I said there was never a time when the officer was not in danger due to the distance between himself and Brown throughout the incident. What would have happened if Brown managed to put more distance between himself and the officer is irrelevant since it never happened.




Cites for any of this yadda yadda yadda ... I won't bother waiting. I know you don't have them.




SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

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Thursday, November 13, 2014 10:56 PM

THGRRI



Quote:

1kiki

Cites for any of this yadda yadda yadda ... I won't bother waiting. I know you don't have them.




I would never waste my time providing anything that resembled prof to you. I not only have done that with you in the past, but I have watched others do it as well. You do not respond to prof. You ignore the facts.

In other words, your not worth the effort and only a fool would try and reason with you. Likewise, only a fool would care what you think.




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Saturday, November 15, 2014 3:33 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


The expert Medical Examiner who was hired by the family was finally called in to testify before the Grand Jury. FACT.

His findings were irrefutable. FACT

Now, we'll see what happens. PENDING FACT


SGG


Kept it simple so as not to confuse anyone.


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Saturday, November 15, 2014 9:28 AM

AURAPTOR

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how exactly can you or anyone say that the ME's findings were " irrefutable. " ?

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Saturday, November 15, 2014 10:52 PM

JONGSSTRAW


Dr. Michael Baden, the family's gun-for-hire M.E. has since retracted and altered many of his initial statements he made to the press, so who knows what he actually said to the Grand Jury.

But it is very disturbing that it's taking so long for them to decide. It's not their job to actually try the case, just to determine if there's enough evidence to indict. Even with minimum evidence, which surely exists, they have to indict. This is some weird shit. Nazi war criminal were indicted in Nuremberg in less time.

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Saturday, November 15, 2014 11:42 PM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Dr. Michael Baden, the family's gun-for-hire M.E. has since retracted and altered many of his initial statements he made to the press, so who knows what he actually said to the Grand Jury.




That's not sounding very irrefutable, now is it ?

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But it is very disturbing that it's taking so long for them to decide. It's not their job to actually try the case, just to determine if there's enough evidence to indict. Even with minimum evidence, which surely exists, they have to indict. This is some weird shit. Nazi war criminal were indicted in Nuremberg in less time.





No one wants the blood and cost of a full scale riot on their hands, so they're making sure they don't over look anything.

Can ya blame 'em ?

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Sunday, November 16, 2014 5:22 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


Regardless of the ME's testimony, which in and of itself was unusual (in regards to it's timing), Many things about this case have been disturbing and unusual.

And, regardless of the outcome of all this, the DA has almost completely shirked his responsibilities in the presentation of this case for possible trial. He is supposed to represent the state and present evidence as to the facts of the case to the Grand Jury. All indications suggest that he has not. Otherwise we would have had a decision by now whether to indict.

One thing that's unusual is that ME Baden did not testify much earlier in the process. It's as though the DA is leaving all the decisions up to the GJ and he has abandoned any sort of guidance in presenting the facts of the case. Witness and expert testimony could have been presented in a matter of weeks and not months.

For those of you who might question my knowledge on this, feel free. But I have served on a Grand Jury in my lifetime, on a murder case. We heard a number of different cases, the longest we went on a particular case was 2 days. For this to take nearly 2 months is beyond the pale. But let's say that it does take this long, why hasn't there been a more concerted effort by the DA's office to guide the Grand Jury towards a decision one way or another.

I suggest that this has been political from day one. I believe the DA's days of staying in office are numbered. I agree. Our instructions as GJ members was to merely determine, with the DA's help, which cases should go to trial. And what I mean by help is they would tell us (suggest) which cases they wanted to try.

True: Nazi War criminals have been indicted on less.

The mere fact that Wilson discharged his weapon a total of 10 times should be sufficient to bring him up on charges. He did this with complete disregard for the safety and well being of citizens and innocent bystanders. He's lucky one of his stray bullets didn't hit some child in the street.

There was a similar case in NY where the detectives shot approximately 50 times and a man was nearly struck while he waited on an above-ground subway stop. About 100 yards away from the intended target. They were brought up on charges. The police claimed that the "suspects" were armed and carrying drugs as well. No guns were found and no drugs were found. 5 detectives were brought up on charges, but were found not guilty. An innocent bystander was nearly killed by one of the stray bullets, one man was killed and 2 others seriously wounded.

But they were indicted. Of course there is precedence for a long protracted Grand Jury. The incident happened in November 2006, and the indictment did not take place until March 2007. A civil case against the city produced $3.25 million in settlement money that went to Sean Bell's widow. The Browns will have their day in court, but I believe Wilson will walk as a free man.

That's justice in America. So the order of the day, shoot to kill. Leave no witness to testify.


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Dr. Michael Baden, the family's gun-for-hire M.E. has since retracted and altered many of his initial statements he made to the press, so who knows what he actually said to the Grand Jury.

But it is very disturbing that it's taking so long for them to decide. It's not their job to actually try the case, just to determine if there's enough evidence to indict. Even with minimum evidence, which surely exists, they have to indict. This is some weird shit. Nazi war criminal were indicted in Nuremberg in less time.


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Sunday, November 16, 2014 9:28 AM

AURAPTOR

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I don't know for a fact that the gun was discharged a total of 10 times. But you seem to know, and have determined , that 10 shots is too many, no matter what, and for that reason alone, charges should be filed. Who knows, maybe they will. Or maybe it was only 6, and no charges will be filed.

Point is, if there was a struggle for the cop's gun, the cop damn near has an obligation to put the suspect down. If a violent suspect gets control of that gun, the cop's life is now at risk, and possibly any other the suspect decides to shoot. The cop MUST take out the threat and put the suspect down. Doesn't matter if the suspect is only 18 years old and unarmed. He can still is a threat until subdued.

SGG - claim to be a guru all you want on this matter, but when you toss out " irrefutable " as your superlative on the autopsy report, when that report was retracted by the man who gave it, I'm sorry, shine is off the apple. Just slow your roll on claiming you're the word on what has or will go on w/ this case. I don't think anyone knows.


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Monday, November 17, 2014 3:29 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


I don't claim to know it all, I only make observations and comment on them.

For instance, Wilson shooting at least 10 times, you want to know how I can to that conclusion? Here:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2014/08/26/audio-rec
ording-allegedly-captures-at-least-10-shots-fired-in-michael-brown-killing
/

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/08/20/1323386/-Ferguson-PD-Confirms
-Officer-Wilson-Shot-at-Brown-as-He-Ran-Away


http://www.politicususa.com/2014/08/26/cnn-releases-audio-recording-mi
chael-brown-shooting-11-total-shots-fired.html


I didn't just pick this out of the air. If you don't want me to say this, too bad. I write what I think, and this being America and all..............well, freedom. It is no different than you saying that Wilson shot in self defense, just on his say so. And you're right I don't know more than anyone else. For all I know, Brown could be the second coming of Baby Face Nelson.


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
I don't know for a fact that the gun was discharged a total of 10 times. But you seem to know, and have determined , that 10 shots is too many, no matter what, and for that reason alone, charges should be filed. Who knows, maybe they will. Or maybe it was only 6, and no charges will be filed.

Point is, if there was a struggle for the cop's gun, the cop damn near has an obligation to put the suspect down. If a violent suspect gets control of that gun, the cop's life is now at risk, and possibly any other the suspect decides to shoot. The cop MUST take out the threat and put the suspect down. Doesn't matter if the suspect is only 18 years old and unarmed. He can still is a threat until subdued.

SGG - claim to be a guru all you want on this matter, but when you toss out " irrefutable " as your superlative on the autopsy report, when that report was retracted by the man who gave it, I'm sorry, shine is off the apple. Just slow your roll on claiming you're the word on what has or will go on w/ this case. I don't think anyone knows.



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Tuesday, November 18, 2014 1:44 AM

MAGONSDAUGHTER

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Tuesday, November 18, 2014 4:22 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


That really is telling! Why!?


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
National Guard have been activated in Ferguson.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-11-18/new-documentmissouri-governor-de
clares-state-of-emergency-ahead/5900164


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Tuesday, November 18, 2014 4:26 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


Saw a video of Wilson, 2 hours after the shooting, and it didn't look like to me that he had any injuries on his face at all. So what was this all about him having his eye socket busted?

His face looked normal, no swelling at all.


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
I don't know for a fact that the gun was discharged a total of 10 times. But you seem to know, and have determined , that 10 shots is too many, no matter what, and for that reason alone, charges should be filed. Who knows, maybe they will. Or maybe it was only 6, and no charges will be filed.

Point is, if there was a struggle for the cop's gun, the cop damn near has an obligation to put the suspect down. If a violent suspect gets control of that gun, the cop's life is now at risk, and possibly any other the suspect decides to shoot. The cop MUST take out the threat and put the suspect down. Doesn't matter if the suspect is only 18 years old and unarmed. He can still is a threat until subdued.

SGG - claim to be a guru all you want on this matter, but when you toss out " irrefutable " as your superlative on the autopsy report, when that report was retracted by the man who gave it, I'm sorry, shine is off the apple. Just slow your roll on claiming you're the word on what has or will go on w/ this case. I don't think anyone knows.



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Tuesday, November 18, 2014 7:37 AM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Saw a video of Wilson, 2 hours after the shooting, and it didn't look like to me that he had any injuries on his face at all. So what was this all about him having his eye socket busted?

His face looked normal, no swelling at all.


SGG



That is something I suspect the GJ will discuss, as well as a whole lot more.

I too saw a grainy security cam video of officer Wilson, shortly after the shooting. May have been the same clip, IDK. He seemed to be unmarked and unaffected from any injuries.

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Tuesday, November 18, 2014 11:26 AM

REAVERFAN


Anonymous Is Going To War With The KKK Over Ferguson Protests

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/17/anonymous-kkk_n_6173332.html

Who's race-baiting who?

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Tuesday, November 18, 2014 12:05 PM

JONGSSTRAW


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Saw a video of Wilson, 2 hours after the shooting, and it didn't look like to me that he had any injuries on his face at all. So what was this all about him having his eye socket busted?

His face looked normal, no swelling at all.


SGG



That is something I suspect the GJ will discuss, as well as a whole lot more.

I too saw a grainy security cam video of officer Wilson, shortly after the shooting. May have been the same clip, IDK. He seemed to be unmarked and unaffected from any injuries.


Facial swelling and bruises can take anywhere from 5 minutes to several hours to appear, so the video of Wilson shortly after the incident is meaningless.

What isn't meaningless is the ridiculous build-up of racial tension caused by the unprecedented amount of time the Grand Jury has taken to make a decision, as well as all the illegal leaks that have surfaced from the proceedings. And now the idiot Governor has declared a state of emergency and mobilized the National Guard. Does he know something that no one else does?

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Friday, November 21, 2014 4:18 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


Methinks the Governor knows and doth protests too much.

Naw, you pretty much would see bruising and swelling whenever you get a broken eye socket.

As far as the Grand Jury is concerned. Have you ever heard of a GJ taking 3 months to decide if there should be a trial? Just curious.

As far as the protesters. Well, I remember, back in the summer, a certain Cowboy being protected by a slew of gun "enthusiasts" out there in "God's country" over not paying his fare share of taxes regarding some cows. That seemed like overkill to me. Just saying.


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Saw a video of Wilson, 2 hours after the shooting, and it didn't look like to me that he had any injuries on his face at all. So what was this all about him having his eye socket busted?

His face looked normal, no swelling at all.


SGG



That is something I suspect the GJ will discuss, as well as a whole lot more.

I too saw a grainy security cam video of officer Wilson, shortly after the shooting. May have been the same clip, IDK. He seemed to be unmarked and unaffected from any injuries.


Facial swelling and bruises can take anywhere from 5 minutes to several hours to appear, so the video of Wilson shortly after the incident is meaningless.

What isn't meaningless is the ridiculous build-up of racial tension caused by the unprecedented amount of time the Grand Jury has taken to make a decision, as well as all the illegal leaks that have surfaced from the proceedings. And now the idiot Governor has declared a state of emergency and mobilized the National Guard. Does he know something that no one else does?


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Friday, November 21, 2014 8:42 AM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
Anonymous Is Going To War With The KKK Over Ferguson Protests

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/17/anonymous-kkk_n_6173332.html

Who's race-baiting who?



One group of black degenerates put a bounty on officer Wilson ( http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/19/rbg-black-rebels-bounty-darre
n-wilson-_n_6184710.html
) . Another group of degenerates, the KKK responded as they only know how... like idiots.

Is Anonymous going after the black militants ? Or just the KKK.

Hmm.

Who indeed is race baiting who ?

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Friday, November 21, 2014 8:59 AM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:

What isn't meaningless is the ridiculous build-up of racial tension caused by the unprecedented amount of time the Grand Jury has taken to make a decision, as well as all the illegal leaks that have surfaced from the proceedings. And now the idiot Governor has declared a state of emergency and mobilized the National Guard. Does he know something that no one else does?




" unprecedented " ? Really ? In what sense? Got any cites or reference ?

If the GJ comes back w/ a decision too early, it's decried as a kangaroo court, rubber stamping a WHITE officer's shooting of a black teen as no big deal. Take too long ? I guess it's Justice delayed is Justice denied, or some such, huh?


* PS - Early in the week, we heard there would be a decision likely arrived at on Friday ( if not already ) and then it would be made public, likely on Sunday.

Not sure how they expect to keep something like that secret over the weekend, but I suppose the idea is that Fri - Sat nites are prime time for rioting.

So today, I'm hearing radio stations clamor that they'll be reading to give any breaking news on Ferguson, as soon as it happens.

?

I thought it was already determined that Sunday would be the day, so now it may be today ?

Certainly the media aren't hamming it up, trying to keep folks tuned in, when they know darn well there's not gonna be any ruling, right ?

smh


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Friday, November 21, 2014 4:55 PM

JONGSSTRAW


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:

What isn't meaningless is the ridiculous build-up of racial tension caused by the unprecedented amount of time the Grand Jury has taken to make a decision, as well as all the illegal leaks that have surfaced from the proceedings. And now the idiot Governor has declared a state of emergency and mobilized the National Guard. Does he know something that no one else does?



" unprecedented " ? Really ? In what sense? Got any cites or reference ?


He must have lost sight of the site with the cite.

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Friday, November 21, 2014 11:31 PM

SHINYGOODGUY


You and Auraptor doing a Tag Team routine on me..........that quote that you guys attribute to me below is not mine. Check your posts and you'll see that it's one of yours, tacked onto the end of my original quote.

Nice try!


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:

What isn't meaningless is the ridiculous build-up of racial tension caused by the unprecedented amount of time the Grand Jury has taken to make a decision, as well as all the illegal leaks that have surfaced from the proceedings. And now the idiot Governor has declared a state of emergency and mobilized the National Guard. Does he know something that no one else does?



" unprecedented " ? Really ? In what sense? Got any cites or reference ?


He must have lost sight of the site with the cite.


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