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Another Unarmed Black Teen Killed

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Thursday, September 11, 2014 3:43 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


"Officer Wilson has no ' hands up, don't shoot ' campaign being run for him."

In point of fact, Officer Wilson's supporters have raised well over $150,000, and counting, for his defense fund.

Brown's supporters have raised approx $130,000 for his memorial fund.

Oh, to hell with it, I'm too tired!


SGG


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Originally posted by AURaptor:


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Have you given the victim, Michael Brown, the same "best (for his sake) defense" consideration?




Officer Wilson has no ' hands up, don't shoot ' campaign being run for him.

All he has are the facts.

Facts often don't sell too well these days, unfortunately.


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Or have you gone out of your way to portray him as a bully and a thug, even going so far as to insist that there cannot even be a debate about what (or who) is seen on the videotape from the store?


No need to go out of my way. The video clearly shows Brown acted exactly like a bully and a thug. And it's not going out of my way in the least to state clearly that the video shows what it shows.

Are you going to debate the Ray Rice video too ? Please, by all means, tell us all that he was defending himself against a vicious , angry woman.


Go for it.


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Thursday, September 11, 2014 7:52 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



$150,000 potential legal defense fund vs $130,000 memorial fund?

Apples & oranges.

It's not a contest. The one who raised the most $ isn't determined the " winner ", or right by some holy fiat.

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Friday, September 12, 2014 5:53 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


Boy are you desperate!

I posted the fact that both have supporters, and no one can say that Wilson is without, despite the fact he shot an unarmed man for no apparent reason, he has his supporters.

Brown, no matter his crime, shoplifting cigarillos or jaywalking, should have been fined or arrested, but shot to death is, without a doubt, one of the most despicable acts of violence in the U.S.

In New York a man was killed by an illegal choke hold for merely selling loose cigarettes, the most that he deserved was a fine or, at the most, arrest. The man paid with his life.

At no time did I compare the fundraising to a contest. Nor should it be, but Wilson is not the victim here. But he continues to hide, a la OJ Simpson hiding from the law and justice.

The Latest:

A new witness has stated that he saw Brown hold his hands up and say "Ok, ok, ok,ok ok, ok." But Wilson just continued to shoot. (as reported by the St. Louis Post-Dispatch).


SGG


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Originally posted by AURaptor:

$150,000 potential legal defense fund vs $130,000 memorial fund?

Apples & oranges.

It's not a contest. The one who raised the most $ isn't determined the " winner ", or right by some holy fiat.


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Friday, September 12, 2014 8:03 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Boy are you desperate!



How so ? I have no dog in this fight, so to say.

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I posted the fact that both have supporters, and no one can say that Wilson is without, despite the fact he shot an unarmed man for no apparent reason, he has his supporters.



You don't know that Brown was shot " for no apparent reason ". If that's the case, then Wilson should face charges. If he was defending himself , then yes, that is a reason. Cops don't generally go around offing 18 yr olds, in broad day light, for no apparent reason.

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Brown, no matter his crime, shoplifting cigarillos or jaywalking, should have been fined or arrested, but shot to death is, without a doubt, one of the most despicable acts of violence in the U.S.



Naw, not if he went after the cop, and the cop was defending himself. A far more despicable act of violence can easily be found.


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In New York a man was killed by an illegal choke hold for merely selling loose cigarettes, the most that he deserved was a fine or, at the most, arrest. The man paid with his life.



Accounts I heard was that there was no illegal choke hold. Another case where a large man got animated and belligerent w/ the cops who were left with no other choice but to subdue him.

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At no time did I compare the fundraising to a contest. Nor should it be, but Wilson is not the victim here. But he continues to hide, a la OJ Simpson hiding from the law and justice.



Hiding from street justice ? I don't see how anyone can blame him for that. Especially if he did nothing wrong. But if he didn't, then he'll face the music, in court, not by a group of folks who want to lynch him in the town square.

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The Latest:

A new witness has stated that he saw Brown hold his hands up and say "Ok, ok, ok,ok ok, ok." But Wilson just continued to shoot. (as reported by the St. Louis Post-Dispatch).


SGG




A "new" witness ? The case is how old and just now, another witness is emerging ? After all the politics and vitriol, I'd be suspect.

People sometimes lie. People with an agenda. A USC football player , a team captain, claimed he injured his ankles by jumping 2 stories to save his drowning nephew , in the pool below. The kid's mother, the brother of the football player, went public to thank the football player for saving her son's life. They both were lying. There was no pool rescue attempt. There WAS , however, a robbery attempt in an apartment building, and the suspect matched the description of the football player very closely.

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Saturday, September 13, 2014 3:17 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


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Originally posted by AURaptor:
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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Boy are you desperate!



How so ? I have no dog in this fight, so to say.

Neither do I, but let's stick to the facts..............okay?

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I posted the fact that both have supporters, and no one can say that Wilson is without, despite the fact he shot an unarmed man for no apparent reason, he has his supporters.



You don't know that Brown was shot " for no apparent reason ". If that's the case, then Wilson should face charges. If he was defending himself , then yes, that is a reason. Cops don't generally go around offing 18 yr olds, in broad day light, for no apparent reason.

Yes, I do. Wilson has been sequestered by the local police, both he and his police chief (who was caught in a lie) have offered nothing by way of explanation or stating the circumstances leading up to the fatal overkill. Wilson has not surrendered himself to the proper authorities and given his side of the story as to why he would shoot an unarmed young man like a dirty dog in broad daylight. Exactly my point! No one knows why except him and a now dead victim.

Remember, the chief of police said that Wilson was NOT aware of the so-called robbery, at the time of the shooting.

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Brown, no matter his crime, shoplifting cigarillos or jaywalking, should have been fined or arrested, but shot to death is, without a doubt, one of the most despicable acts of violence in the U.S.



Naw, not if he went after the cop, and the cop was defending himself. A far more despicable act of violence can easily be found.

There has NOT been one account of an attempted assault on Wilson, if so, who made that statement and where is he/she now.

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In New York a man was killed by an illegal choke hold for merely selling loose cigarettes, the most that he deserved was a fine or, at the most, arrest. The man paid with his life.



Accounts I heard was that there was no illegal choke hold. Another case where a large man got animated and belligerent w/ the cops who were left with no other choice but to subdue him.

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It was determined by the Medical Examiner that it was a homicide by choke or asphyxiation.

At no time did I compare the fundraising to a contest. Nor should it be, but Wilson is not the victim here. But he continues to hide, a la OJ Simpson hiding from the law and justice.



Hiding from street justice ? I don't see how anyone can blame him for that. Especially if he did nothing wrong. But if he didn't, then he'll face the music, in court, not by a group of folks who want to lynch him in the town square.

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No street justice, just your everyday garden variety justice with REAL law enforcement and a REAL investigation. That's what the people, the good people, of Ferguson demanded.

The Latest:

A new witness has stated that he saw Brown hold his hands up and say "Ok, ok, ok,ok ok, ok." But Wilson just continued to shoot. (as reported by the St. Louis Post-Dispatch).

SGG




A "new" witness ? The case is how old and just now, another witness is emerging ? After all the politics and vitriol, I'd be suspect.

He was interviewed by the FBI and just recently submitted his story to the press.

People sometimes lie. People with an agenda. A USC football player , a team captain, claimed he injured his ankles by jumping 2 stories to save his drowning nephew , in the pool below. The kid's mother, the brother of the football player, went public to thank the football player for saving her son's life. They both were lying. There was no pool rescue attempt. There WAS , however, a robbery attempt in an apartment building, and the suspect matched the description of the football player very closely.



Yes, people do lie.


SGG

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Saturday, September 13, 2014 10:05 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


You don't know that Brown was shot " for no apparent reason ". If that's the case, then Wilson should face charges. If he was defending himself , then yes, that is a reason. Cops don't generally go around offing 18 yr olds, in broad day light, for no apparent reason.

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Yes, I do. Wilson has been sequestered by the local police, both he and his police chief (who was caught in a lie) have offered nothing by way of explanation or stating the circumstances leading up to the fatal overkill. Wilson has not surrendered himself to the proper authorities and given his side of the story as to why he would shoot an unarmed young man like a dirty dog in broad daylight. Exactly my point! No one knows why except him and a now dead victim.

Remember, the chief of police said that Wilson was NOT aware of the so-called robbery, at the time of the shooting.



No, you don't. You're placing the entire weight of this case on the testimony of one unnamed witness. You do NOT know what happened.

And the police chief ? He's lied in YOUR eyes, maybe, but that's not been established as fact. There's a lot of confusion over the specifics of this case, why thing were done, why weren't they done, and who knew what at what specific time. But as for the facts of what took place, we know very little at this time.

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There has NOT been one account of an attempted assault on Wilson, if so, who made that statement and where is he/she now.



The busted eye socket report doesn't count ? Even if not " broken ", there still was a report that the officer was injured. That doesn't happen in the scenario where he shoots an unarmed citizen from a distance. Where's the photographs of his injured eye ? I don't know. I too would like to see if it exists, and if he was indeed injured. But don't say there's been NO reports of any assault. Just none confirmed.


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Acute and chronic bronchial asthma, obesity and hypertensive cardiovascular disease were listed as contributing conditions in a controversial death .




The guy was doing something illegal and resisted arrest. HE is the one who initiated the physical altercation, by refusing to cooperate, not the cops. I had heard there was no illegal choke hold, but the examiner report finds otherwise. Per regulations, the choke hold may have not been 'illegal', but it still resulted in his death. He didn't need to resist to the degree he did, nor did he deserve to die.



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Sunday, September 14, 2014 5:39 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


I stated facts, not fiction.

Fact: An unarmed teen was shot by a police officer
Fact: There has been no official report released stating why
Fact: Eyewitnesses have come forward and given statements as to what they saw
Fact: Those eyewitnesses statements were practically all the same
Fact: Not one of those eyewitnesses stated that the officer was being assaulted
Fact: The police chief lied about several requests for the release of the video of the robbery
Fact: Wilson has been in hiding since the murder (shooting) occurred
Fact: No charges have been levied against Wilson for excessive use of force
Fact: Cops don't generally go around offing 18 yr olds, in broad day light, for no apparent reason.
Fact: If a crime was committed, then why isn't Brown's friend arrested? He admitted to the robbery
Fact: Where is the police report of the robbery?
Fact: Was Wilson ever treated for his injuries?
Fact: If so, where?
Fact: Why is he hiding?

If this were a good shoot, as cops say, then he would be standing tall and proud saying Yes, I shot him. I shot in defense of my life. Just doing my job to protect the innocent citizens of Ferguson from this menace to society, this animal who deserved to die. Yes, I shot him down.

The burning question is: Why?


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
You don't know that Brown was shot " for no apparent reason ". If that's the case, then Wilson should face charges. If he was defending himself , then yes, that is a reason. Cops don't generally go around offing 18 yr olds, in broad day light, for no apparent reason.

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Yes, I do. Wilson has been sequestered by the local police, both he and his police chief (who was caught in a lie) have offered nothing by way of explanation or stating the circumstances leading up to the fatal overkill. Wilson has not surrendered himself to the proper authorities and given his side of the story as to why he would shoot an unarmed young man like a dirty dog in broad daylight. Exactly my point! No one knows why except him and a now dead victim.

Remember, the chief of police said that Wilson was NOT aware of the so-called robbery, at the time of the shooting.



No, you don't. You're placing the entire weight of this case on the testimony of one unnamed witness. You do NOT know what happened.

And the police chief ? He's lied in YOUR eyes, maybe, but that's not been established as fact. There's a lot of confusion over the specifics of this case, why thing were done, why weren't they done, and who knew what at what specific time. But as for the facts of what took place, we know very little at this time.

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There has NOT been one account of an attempted assault on Wilson, if so, who made that statement and where is he/she now.



The busted eye socket report doesn't count ? Even if not " broken ", there still was a report that the officer was injured. That doesn't happen in the scenario where he shoots an unarmed citizen from a distance. Where's the photographs of his injured eye ? I don't know. I too would like to see if it exists, and if he was indeed injured. But don't say there's been NO reports of any assault. Just none confirmed.


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Acute and chronic bronchial asthma, obesity and hypertensive cardiovascular disease were listed as contributing conditions in a controversial death .




The guy was doing something illegal and resisted arrest. HE is the one who initiated the physical altercation, by refusing to cooperate, not the cops. I had heard there was no illegal choke hold, but the examiner report finds otherwise. Per regulations, the choke hold may have not been 'illegal', but it still resulted in his death. He didn't need to resist to the degree he did, nor did he deserve to die.




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Sunday, September 14, 2014 9:14 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


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Fact: Where is the police report of the robbery?
Fact: Was Wilson ever treated for his injuries?
Fact: If so, where?
Fact: Why is he hiding?




A question isn't a fact.

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Monday, September 15, 2014 3:45 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


Pish - Posh...................it's all semantics, tomatoe - tomato

There that should make you feel at home.

Ok, there IS no police report of the robbery
Wilson has No injuries
Wilson IS hiding

There, Happy Now!


SGG


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Originally posted by AURaptor:
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Fact: Where is the police report of the robbery?
Fact: Was Wilson ever treated for his injuries?
Fact: If so, where?
Fact: Why is he hiding?




A question isn't a fact.


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Monday, September 15, 2014 6:13 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


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Ok, there IS no police report of the robbery
Wilson has No injuries



I don't know if those first two are true.

As for Wilson being in 'hiding' ? So what ? Is there an BOLO issued for him ? The cops know how he can be reached, which is really all that matters, isn't it ?

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Monday, September 15, 2014 10:43 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
You don't know that Brown was shot " for no apparent reason ". If that's the case, then Wilson should face charges. If he was defending himself , then yes, that is a reason. Cops don't generally go around offing 18 yr olds, in broad day light, for no apparent reason.




Unless they're black. In which case, there are plenty of examples.



“Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'”? Isaac Asimov

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Monday, September 15, 2014 11:20 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


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Unless they're black. In which case, there are plenty of examples.


Wow Storybook, what a racist & ugly thing for you to say.

You think that the 100's of X more blacks killed by other blacks than by white cops is also because they were black ?

Do tell.

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Monday, September 15, 2014 1:57 PM

STORYMARK


I never made such a claim, but can always count on a dumb motherfucker like you to float such an obvious straw man.



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Monday, September 15, 2014 4:36 PM

AURAPTOR

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Yeah, ya did. I literally quoted what you said.

Then I ASKED you a question, to which you've so far ducked in answering.

Par for the course.

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Tuesday, September 16, 2014 5:23 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


So let's see.

Brown - didn't steal. Not a suspect. Didn't break anybody's eye socket. Shot at a distance, with his hands up.

And rappy wrong, wrong, REALLY wrong, wrong, and wrong. Again.

That about cover it?




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Tuesday, September 16, 2014 9:48 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


rappy would like to see this sink

great reason to give it a bump

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Tuesday, September 16, 2014 10:03 PM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
So let's see.

Brown - didn't steal. Not a suspect. Didn't break anybody's eye socket. Shot at a distance, with his hands up.

And rappy wrong, wrong, REALLY wrong, wrong, and wrong. Again.

That about cover it?



Got evidence for ANY of this ?

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Tuesday, September 16, 2014 10:27 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Why, I didn't know you cared. Since you care so much - you first.




"The rush to dishonesty here is staggering." "All I've done is present the FACTS and offer little on wild speculation."

Friday, August 15, 2014 11:38 AM
The kid is on video robbing a store.
The cop was responding to a call, from the store the kid had robbed.

Friday, August 15, 2014 12:15 PM
He had just robbed a store & roughed up the clerk.

Friday, August 15, 2014 12:59 PM
This info is a game changer, no doubt.

Saturday, August 16, 2014 7:33 PM
Then why steal the cigars, so brazenly

Tuesday, August 19, 2014 3:31 PM
BREAKING REPORT: Officer Darren Wilson Suffered “Orbital Blowout Fracture to Eye Socket” During Mike Brown Attack

Saturday, August 16, 2014 2:06 PM
After a brief confrontation, the thug is shot dead. ... possibly he tried to get rough w/ the cop ...

Tuesday, August 19, 2014 5:54 AM
A struggle for the cop's gun might.

Tuesday, August 19, 2014 12:23 PM
Brown was the aggressor, and the cop acted in self defense.

Wednesday, August 20, 2014 4:57 PM
His arms were never raised. That's the myth that those w/ an agenda want to promote.

Wednesday, August 20, 2014 6:01 PM
Ever try shooting at a charging thug who has just broken your eye socket ?

Thursday, August 21, 2014 8:17 AM
When an officer is attacked, and damn near incapacitated, ( broken eye sockets tend to do that ) ... myth that this cop "executed " a young black man who had given up and was raising his hands in surrender ...

Friday, August 22, 2014 7:43 AM
If a cop is being attacked ( in this case, by a 6'4" 300lb male )

Wednesday, August 27, 2014 7:50 AM
Cop pulls up next to suspect, words are exchanged, struggle ensues, suspect reaches in to assault the officer ( possibly reach for his gun) , gun goes off, suspect runs, officer gets out of the car to pursue, suspect turns at him and rushes at officer. Very likely to have happened in that manner.
The suspect was 6'4", and over 300lbs , and likely striking down on the officer, who was still in his car. OR, it could be that the officer was attempting to get out, and the suspect grabbed the door, and tried to shove it closed ...

Friday, August 29, 2014 6:28 PM
Michael Brown never raised his hands over his head. That's a lovely urban legend, being repeated as if it were Holy canon.

Saturday, August 30, 2014 7:26 PM
The STOLEN cigars

Sunday, September 7, 2014 10:12 PM
He NEEDED to punch the cop in order to GET his gun. Duh!

"Lots of folks speculated that there was a struggle, when the reports were released that the officer had his eye socket busted. I never said it was how things went down ..."" I have no dog in this fight, so to say."



Shall I go on?




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Wednesday, September 17, 2014 12:27 AM

AURAPTOR

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Not answering the question.

Figures.

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Wednesday, September 17, 2014 12:41 AM

1KIKI

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Oh, the question about your bogus claims? I thought I did that very well.




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Wednesday, September 17, 2014 4:02 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


The police report of the robbery has not been made public, if one exists.

Same holds true for the injury report, if one exists, it hasn't been made public.
Perhaps the Grand Jury will get a glimpse at them, if it is ever convened.

As for Wilson. True the cops know his whereabouts, so maybe he should keep his mouth shut until called upon. Right now he's in the catbird seat, every witness is spilling their guts and he's just hanging back like a spider waiting for his next er, meal.


SGG


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Originally posted by AURaptor:
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Ok, there IS no police report of the robbery
Wilson has No injuries



I don't know if those first two are true.

As for Wilson being in 'hiding' ? So what ? Is there an BOLO issued for him ? The cops know how he can be reached, which is really all that matters, isn't it ?


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Wednesday, September 17, 2014 9:42 AM

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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Perhaps the Grand Jury will get a glimpse at them, if it is ever convened.

As expected, the grand jury's investigation into the death of Michael Brown in Ferguson has extended past its four-month term, which St. Louis County Circuit Judge Carolyn Whittington extended when it expired on Sept. 10. St. Louis County Court Administrator Paul Fox said Tuesday that the extension is the longest allowed by Missouri law.

The extension does not mean the grand jury will meet until January. "It just gives them that window," Fox said, noting that the grand jury is focused strictly on the shooting death of Brown by Darren Wilson and is not considering any other cases.
www.cbsnews.com/news/judge-extends-grand-jury-in-fatal-shooting-of-mic
hael-brown-in-ferguson-missouri
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Wednesday, September 17, 2014 5:03 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
The police report of the robbery has not been made public, if one exists.



The video of Brown taking several cartons of cigars from the counter, and then the shop keeper coming out to confront him and try to keep him from leaving the store, however, was released.

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Same holds true for the injury report, if one exists, it hasn't been made public.
Perhaps the Grand Jury will get a glimpse at them, if it is ever convened.



Oddly, the same sorts of stories were told about George Zimmerman, and then eventually, the photos did show up. Time will tell , I suppose.

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As for Wilson. True the cops know his whereabouts, so maybe he should keep his mouth shut until called upon. Right now he's in the catbird seat, every witness is spilling their guts and he's just hanging back like a spider waiting for his next er, meal.


SGG



If you were him, a trial INSIDE the court house would more beneficial than outside.


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Oh, the question about your bogus claims? I thought I did that very well.


You and you alone think Brown didn't steal anything. I guess you think the clerk was trying to get dance lessons from Michael before he left the store, was that what we saw on the video ?

Frelling imbecile.


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Wednesday, September 17, 2014 8:22 PM

FREMDFIRMA



So, gonna slink your BLATANTLY OBVIOUS SOCKPUPPET Jewelstaitefan in here to pretend it's not just YOU disputing the bloody fucking obvious, Auraptor ?
Or maybe try to argue it yourself in light of the increasing evidence that the cop in question is a fucking murderer, something YOU have no goddamn problem with whatever so long as the victim is darker than you ?
Pissant!

-Frem

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Wednesday, September 17, 2014 9:04 PM

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Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA:

So, gonna slink your BLATANTLY OBVIOUS SOCKPUPPET Jewelstaitefan in here to pretend it's not just YOU disputing the bloody fucking obvious, Auraptor ?
Or maybe try to argue it yourself in light of the increasing evidence that the cop in question is a fucking murderer, something YOU have no goddamn problem with whatever so long as the victim is darker than you ?
Pissant!

-Frem

It cannot be that obvious because the grand jurors have not decided one way or the other on a bill of indictment. As soon as they make up their minds they get to go home because this case is the only one they are looking at.

Getting to go home would be powerful motivator to make a decision, and yet, still no decision. And none of the jurors are running for political office, so there is no reason for them to want to stretch things out until after the local election in November.
www.cbsnews.com/news/judge-extends-grand-jury-in-fatal-shooting-of-mic
hael-brown-in-ferguson-missouri
/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, September 17, 2014 9:23 PM

FREMDFIRMA



Oh PUH-leeze, Second, I think we all know, or at least are well aware, that a Grand Jury could indict a fucking 'Ham Sandwich', UNLESS it's a law enforcement officer, in which case they will look the other way AS HARD AS THEY CAN, lest they themselves come under the gun of The State for refusing to comply.

Lets not PRETEND there's any "justice" in this SHAM of a proceeding, neh ?

http://columbialawreview.org/ham-sandwich-nation_reynolds/
http://www.wisenberglaw.com/White-Collar-Criminal-Defense/Grand-Jury-I
nvestigations.shtml


-Frem

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Wednesday, September 17, 2014 9:57 PM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


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Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA:

Oh PUH-leeze, Second, I think we all know, or at least are well aware, that a Grand Jury could indict a fucking 'Ham Sandwich', UNLESS it's a law enforcement officer, in which case they will look the other way AS HARD AS THEY CAN, lest they themselves come under the gun of The State for refusing to comply.

Then why hasn't the grand jury voted for no bill of indictment and then gone home? The grand jurors aren't running for office. They don't have to pretend to be fair minded or kiss ass like Prosecutor Bob McCulloch does to keep his elected office.

Maybe the grand jury really does not know what happened, so they are delaying a decision until it gets clearer to them. That would indicate the police have done a fine job of keeping the jury in confusion.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Thursday, September 18, 2014 5:13 PM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Not answering the question.

Figures.



What a piece of shit you are.

Claim to post only "facts" and when a list of you leaping to whatever "blame the black kid" nugget of info you can find is produced, you ignore it and put the blame on others.

Please, do the world a favor, eat a nice bowl of glass while lying on the freeway.



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Thursday, September 18, 2014 5:17 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA:

So, gonna slink your BLATANTLY OBVIOUS SOCKPUPPET Jewelstaitefan in here to pretend it's not just YOU disputing the bloody fucking obvious, Auraptor ?



Nope. I have no sock puppet. You know this. And yet, you insist on making a bigger ass of yourself.

Huh.

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Or maybe try to argue it yourself in light of the increasing evidence that the cop in question is a fucking murderer, something YOU have no goddamn problem with whatever so long as the victim is darker than you ?
Pissant!

-Frem



No evidence to that conclusion has yet come out yet, so again, you're flat out wrong.

The amount of sunlight a person reflects has no bearing what so ever here, or in any case.

Wish you racists would figure that out.

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Thursday, September 18, 2014 5:24 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA:

So, gonna slink your BLATANTLY OBVIOUS SOCKPUPPET Jewelstaitefan in here to pretend it's not just YOU disputing the bloody fucking obvious, Auraptor ?



Nope. I have no sock puppet. You know this. And yet, you insist on making a bigger ass of yourself.

Huh.


That is really getting pretty big. HUGE. Ginormous. Gargantuan.
Quote:


Quote:


Or maybe try to argue it yourself in light of the increasing evidence that the cop in question is a fucking murderer, something YOU have no goddamn problem with whatever so long as the victim is darker than you ?
Pissant!

-Frem



No evidence to that conclusion has yet come out yet, so again, you're flat out wrong.

The amount of sunlight a person reflects has no bearing what so ever here, or in any case.

Wish you racists would figure that out.


That's just crazy talk.

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Thursday, September 18, 2014 5:25 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Not answering the question.

Figures.



What a piece of shit you are.

Claim to post only "facts" and when a list of you leaping to whatever "blame the black kid" nugget of info you can find is produced, you ignore it and put the blame on others.

Please, do the world a favor, eat a nice bowl of glass while lying on the freeway.





The question was never answered, and the list by no means, what so ever, shows me leaping to any such conclusion.

I will not comply w/ your asinine request. Get over it.

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Thursday, September 18, 2014 5:44 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Not answering the question.

Figures.


What a piece of shit you are.

Claim to post only "facts" and when a list of you leaping to whatever "blame the black kid" nugget of info you can find is produced, you ignore it and put the blame on others.

Please, do the world a favor, eat a nice bowl of glass while lying on the freeway.


The question was never answered, and the list by no means, what so ever, shows me leaping to any such conclusion.

I will not comply w/ your asinine request. Get over it.


Does your noncompliance prove that a negative is a positive? And also absolve them of expectations of compliance?

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Friday, September 19, 2014 1:19 AM

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Friday, September 19, 2014 5:39 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


Yep Frem, that's the story in black and white, (pun intended) The Grand Jury usually does the prosecutor's bidding. I served once many moons ago and it was interesting, but we had mostly Buy n Bust cases brought before us.

Only one was a murder case (gruesome killing of a wife by the husband), and in one of the drug cases, a woman, who was accused of smuggling canabis in from West Africa, testified on her behalf that she was merely doing a favor for a friend.

Otherwise it was pretty cut and dried.


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA:

Oh PUH-leeze, Second, I think we all know, or at least are well aware, that a Grand Jury could indict a fucking 'Ham Sandwich', UNLESS it's a law enforcement officer, in which case they will look the other way AS HARD AS THEY CAN, lest they themselves come under the gun of The State for refusing to comply.

Lets not PRETEND there's any "justice" in this SHAM of a proceeding, neh ?

http://columbialawreview.org/ham-sandwich-nation_reynolds/
http://www.wisenberglaw.com/White-Collar-Criminal-Defense/Grand-Jury-I
nvestigations.shtml


-Frem


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Friday, September 19, 2014 6:34 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


That last bit about me being the only one thinking Brown didn't steal is a fabrication on your part. I said no such thing.

Although there's been conflicting stories (notice I said stories and not evidence) regarding the robbery, and despite the fact that the Police Chief stated that Wilson did not know about the robbery, I will concede that, if true, then he should have been arrested.

Wilson should have received a call in his Squad car about the reported robbery and he should have called for back up. This would have been the proper steps to take to subdue Brown and take him into custody. He could have even used a taser.

If the video was evidence as to the robbery:

1- Then why wasn't Brown arrested by Wilson if he was minutes away from the crime scene.
2- Why was that released and nothing else involving the case (robbery)
3- If Wilson was NOT aware that he was a robbery suspect, then why did he shoot him
4- If Wilson was right handed, then Brown, in the case that Wilson says he went to grab his gun, would have to reach across Wilson's body to get it (Does that seem right to you?)
5- If Brown did get his hand(s) on the gun, then there would be DNA evidence on it
6- Gun powder residue and the like

All of the above would be presented to the grand jury and if the story that Brown attacked is true, then NO Indictment will be forthcoming.

Time will tell. Of course, that depends on the evidence presented to the Grand Jury


SGG

Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
The police report of the robbery has not been made public, if one exists.



The video of Brown taking several cartons of cigars from the counter, and then the shop keeper coming out to confront him and try to keep him from leaving the store, however, was released.

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Same holds true for the injury report, if one exists, it hasn't been made public.
Perhaps the Grand Jury will get a glimpse at them, if it is ever convened.



Oddly, the same sorts of stories were told about George Zimmerman, and then eventually, the photos did show up. Time will tell , I suppose.

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As for Wilson. True the cops know his whereabouts, so maybe he should keep his mouth shut until called upon. Right now he's in the catbird seat, every witness is spilling their guts and he's just hanging back like a spider waiting for his next er, meal.


SGG



If you were him, a trial INSIDE the court house would more beneficial than outside.


Quote:

Oh, the question about your bogus claims? I thought I did that very well.


You and you alone think Brown didn't steal anything. I guess you think the clerk was trying to get dance lessons from Michael before he left the store, was that what we saw on the video ?

Frelling imbecile.


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Friday, September 19, 2014 8:18 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


SGG - for the cops to know there was a robbery, the store clerk first must have made the call. There should be a record of that call.

Once the call is made, it has to work its way through the system. The moment the call is made, and the word goes out, every cop in the area doesn't just drop what they're doing and rush to go arrest the perp. There was no gun involved, no knife, so it might not have had top priority. However, any call that did go out, would have (IMO) had to have been heard by Wilson, who was mere minutes away from the store. If there's another cop in the area who was closer and therefore able to go take the report, then Ferguson has a decent number of cops on patrol.

So, if Wilson had no idea there had been a robbery and physical assault, why'd he shoot Brown? Good question. Seems the Wilson / Brown interaction was agitated by something. And as Brown had just roughed up the store clerk, it's possible that he was still pumped up and in a fight mode, so when the cop came by and started to question him, it could have set Brown off. ( speculation, I know )

There SHOULD be a lot of evidence , either way, which needs to be made public. Why it isn't , even with Eric Holder's nose in all this, seems odd.

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Friday, September 19, 2014 1:10 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Seems the Wilson / Brown interaction was agitated by something.
Yes, it was:

Racism on the part of the cop, and
Authoritarian policing,
Backed up by superiority of weapons

That's exactly what happened. Because every white American (police included) knows that young black males are possible criminals. All you have to do is check your personal reaction whenever a young black male comes into view to understand this is true.

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Friday, September 19, 2014 7:31 PM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

Seems the Wilson / Brown interaction was agitated by something.
Yes, it was:

Racism on the part of the cop, and
Authoritarian policing,
Backed up by superiority of weapons

That's exactly what happened. Because every white American (police included) knows that young black males are possible criminals. All you have to do is check your personal reaction whenever a young black male comes into view to understand this is true.

--------------
You can't build a nation with bombs. You can't create a society with guns. But by god, we keep trying!



Hypocrite, you present a false image of virtue. You convicted the police officer without knowledge of the facts and in the same breath claim the rest of white America just as guilty. It is you who condemn unjustly and without due course. It is people like you that join the ranks of the guilty in sentencing society without a trial or prof of guilt. It is people like you that threw acid into the faces of the women you claim to champion.


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Friday, September 19, 2014 7:40 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

]Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Quote:

Seems the Wilson / Brown interaction was agitated by something.
Yes, it was:

Racism on the part of the cop, and
Authoritarian policing,
Backed up by superiority of weapons




Pure speculation , by you, at this point.

Quote:



That's exactly what happened. Because every white American (police included) knows that young black males are possible criminals. All you have to do is check your personal reaction whenever a young black male comes into view to understand this is true.



You don't KNOW that, at all. That's only what you WANT to be true. Just like the Left WANTED Zimmerman to be a 'white' Hispanic, and a racist. It's why his 9-1-1 call was edited by NBC, to portray a false narrative.

My reaction ? EVERY White American ? What about White Hispanics ?

Hell, what about the reaction of Jesse Jackson ?

“There is nothing more painful for me at this stage in my life than to walk down the street and hear footsteps and start thinking about robbery—and then look around and see somebody white and feel relieved.” - Jesse Jackson.

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Sunday, September 21, 2014 5:45 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


Bottom line is that there is a young unarmed black male dead at the hands of a white cop;

My money's on that white cop proclaiming the Zimmerman Defense - I was in fear for my life, so I blasted him into the next life. Even on his knees he was bigger and stronger than me, so when his body lurched forward (no doubt from his gun shot wounds), I considered it a threat to my well being and an aggressive act as if to attack my puny frail ass, and blew his brains out. I don't need no stinking back up, I GOT THE GUN! and the law on my side, my "brothers" will back me up.

Don't worry about covering the body boys, let him lay there as an example of what we'll do if anyone else gets out of line - UPPITY N*******
------------------------------------------------------------------------------

That's the statement of this shooting regardless the reason. Officer Wilson was speaking volumes with his actions, and he was speaking for all the nervous Nellie's out there that feel threatened by the fact that people of color will no longer be the minorities in the country. So they join the police forces across this country with the agenda to shoot to kill as many as you can. Don't worry about justification, we'll make shit up as we go along. The System will back us, because we still hold the positions of power in this country.

Do you know what that is called!?


Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose!


SGG
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

]Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Quote:

Seems the Wilson / Brown interaction was agitated by something.
Yes, it was:

Racism on the part of the cop, and
Authoritarian policing,
Backed up by superiority of weapons




Pure speculation , by you, at this point.

Quote:



That's exactly what happened. Because every white American (police included) knows that young black males are possible criminals. All you have to do is check your personal reaction whenever a young black male comes into view to understand this is true.



You don't KNOW that, at all. That's only what you WANT to be true. Just like the Left WANTED Zimmerman to be a 'white' Hispanic, and a racist. It's why his 9-1-1 call was edited by NBC, to portray a false narrative.

My reaction ? EVERY White American ? What about White Hispanics ?

Hell, what about the reaction of Jesse Jackson ?

“There is nothing more painful for me at this stage in my life than to walk down the street and hear footsteps and start thinking about robbery—and then look around and see somebody white and feel relieved.” - Jesse Jackson.

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Sunday, September 21, 2014 10:27 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Bottom line is that there is a young unarmed black male dead at the hands of a white cop;



Why should the color of either be relevant ? A young man is shot dead, by one who has taken an oath to 'serve and protect '. That alone is tragic enough, and to amplify baseless claims of 'racism' w/ out an iota of evidence only deepens pain, it doesn't make anything better.

Quote:

My money's on that white cop proclaiming the Zimmerman Defense - I was in fear for my life, so I blasted him into the next life. Even on his knees he was bigger and stronger than me, so when his body lurched forward (no doubt from his gun shot wounds), I considered it a threat to my well being and an aggressive act as if to attack my puny frail ass, and blew his brains out. I don't need no stinking back up, I GOT THE GUN! and the law on my side, my "brothers" will back me up.

Don't worry about covering the body boys, let him lay there as an example of what we'll do if anyone else gets out of line - UPPITY N*******




Unlike you, I have no $ in this case. It is what it is, and also unlike you, I'm willing to wait until ALL the evidence is in before I decide.


Not all that surprising that you completely ignored the Jesse Jackson quote.

Doesn't fit in w/ your pre-packaged narrative, now does it ?

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Sunday, September 21, 2014 10:33 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

“There is nothing more painful for me at this stage in my life than to walk down the street and hear footsteps and start thinking about robbery—and then look around and see somebody white and feel relieved.”
You proved my point. Thank you.

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Sunday, September 21, 2014 10:53 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Are you talking to Jesse Jackson ? Is he a poster on this board ? I didn't know that.

What " point " of yours did Jesse Jackson prove ?


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Sunday, September 21, 2014 12:37 PM

SHINYGOODGUY


Jesse Jackson was here!? Damn, I missed him again..............

Funny how the famous hit and run, never stopping to tell us peons how to behave and think.

-You have a point skin color shouldn't really matter, at all, at any time..........

-The reality of the situation is that there's a dead unarmed teen, shot apparently for NO GOOD REASON, until we hear the whole story...........

-Apparently, in this country, it's shoot 10 ten times quick, then ask questions once the dead person has had a chance to examine the bullets - up close and personal like

-And that the public servant, having served and protected, has had a chance to reflect on the evils of stopping to think for a moment and actually serving and protecting

-Social commentary notwithstanding; I reserve the right to say pretty much what I damn well please, it is America after all

-So you took his meaning to be something contrary to his beliefs

-Okay, Jesse is a bad man.................so what, it doesn't change the landscape


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Bottom line is that there is a young unarmed black male dead at the hands of a white cop;



Why should the color of either be relevant ? A young man is shot dead, by one who has taken an oath to 'serve and protect '. That alone is tragic enough, and to amplify baseless claims of 'racism' w/ out an iota of evidence only deepens pain, it doesn't make anything better.

Quote:

My money's on that white cop proclaiming the Zimmerman Defense - I was in fear for my life, so I blasted him into the next life. Even on his knees he was bigger and stronger than me, so when his body lurched forward (no doubt from his gun shot wounds), I considered it a threat to my well being and an aggressive act as if to attack my puny frail ass, and blew his brains out. I don't need no stinking back up, I GOT THE GUN! and the law on my side, my "brothers" will back me up.

Don't worry about covering the body boys, let him lay there as an example of what we'll do if anyone else gets out of line - UPPITY N*******




Unlike you, I have no $ in this case. It is what it is, and also unlike you, I'm willing to wait until ALL the evidence is in before I decide.


Not all that surprising that you completely ignored the Jesse Jackson quote.

Doesn't fit in w/ your pre-packaged narrative, now does it ?


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Sunday, September 21, 2014 1:03 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:

-The reality of the situation is that there's a dead unarmed teen, shot apparently for NO GOOD REASON, until we hear the whole story...



I can agree with that statement, mostly. There is always a reason, but was it a legal, or legitimate one ?

Quote:



-Apparently, in this country, it's shoot 10 ten times quick, then ask questions once the dead person has had a chance to examine the bullets - up close and personal like



Cops are trained to use guns as a last resort. They're also trained to use them to put the immediate threat down, and keep it down. That means, blutnly, lethal use of force. Not firing in the air as a warning, not shooting to wound, like some old western movies.

Shots fired doesn't necessarily mean shots landed. Fire 3 shots at an oncoming target, and you could have not hit it once. If the target is still approaching, you keep firing. I'd like you to find any police force which will say otherwise.

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Monday, September 22, 2014 3:50 PM

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Of course, since Grand Juries are spoon fed a bullshit narrative by the prosecutor more closely resembling a faery tale than anything existing in the real world, the only reason for delay in this matter is them repeatedly calling bullshit on said prosecutor and requiring extreme methods (up to and including threats against their family, custody of their children, etc) to get them to bow down, kiss the ring and do what the petty tin god prosecutor demands, since no matter how many laws he breaks he isn't liable, and they're legally allowed to lie and even frame people - such is "justice" in america.

As for the why and wherefore, well that's easy, just have a look at this thread, yes ?

This is what happens when you give scum like Rappy a badge.
Period.

-Frem

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Monday, September 22, 2014 3:56 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA:

This is what happens when you give scum like Rappy a badge.
Period.

-Frem



Another utterly delusional remark from the mentally unstable Frem.

Bravo.

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Tuesday, September 23, 2014 7:47 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

Seems the Wilson / Brown interaction was agitated by something.
Yes, it was:

Racism on the part of the cop,


What a giant leap of assumption, prejudice, and discrimination on your part.
Quote:


and Authoritarian policing,
Backed up by superiority of weapons

That's exactly what happened. Because every white American (police included) knows that young black males are possible criminals. All you have to do is check your personal reaction


AKA prejudice. (not discrimination)
Quote:


whenever a young black male comes into view to understand this is true.


Are you sure it's not only the ones with gang colors, gang uniform, thug (or drug) attitude, and antisocial habits?

Are you really such an obvious racist?

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Tuesday, September 23, 2014 7:50 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

Seems the Wilson / Brown interaction was agitated by something.
Yes, it was:

Racism on the part of the cop, and
Authoritarian policing,
Backed up by superiority of weapons

That's exactly what happened. Because every white American (police included) knows that young black males are possible criminals. All you have to do is check your personal reaction whenever a young black male comes into view to understand this is true.


Hypocrite, you present a false image of virtue. You convicted the police officer without knowledge of the facts and in the same breath claim the rest of white America just as guilty. It is you who condemn unjustly and without due course. It is people like you that join the ranks of the guilty in sentencing society without a trial or prof of guilt. It is people like you that threw acid into the faces of the women you claim to champion.


Who are you?
And what have you done with thuggery?
Did you steal his login?

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Tuesday, September 23, 2014 7:52 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Bottom line is that there is a young unarmed black male dead at the hands of a white cop;

My money's on that white cop proclaiming the Zimmerman Defense - I was in fear for my life, so I blasted him into the next life. Even on his knees he was bigger and stronger than me, so when his body lurched forward (no doubt from his gun shot wounds), I considered it a threat to my well being and an aggressive act as if to attack my puny frail ass, and blew his brains out. I don't need no stinking back up, I GOT THE GUN! and the law on my side, my "brothers" will back me up.

Don't worry about covering the body boys, let him lay there as an example of what we'll do if anyone else gets out of line - UPPITY N*******
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That's the statement of this shooting regardless the reason. Officer Wilson was speaking volumes with his actions, and he was speaking for all the nervous Nellie's out there that feel threatened by the fact that people of color will no longer be the minorities in the country. So they join the police forces across this country with the agenda to shoot to kill as many as you can. Don't worry about justification, we'll make shit up as we go along. The System will back us, because we still hold the positions of power in this country.

Do you know what that is called!?


Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose!


SGG
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
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]Originally posted by SIGNYM:

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Seems the Wilson / Brown interaction was agitated by something.
Yes, it was:

Racism on the part of the cop, and
Authoritarian policing,
Backed up by superiority of weapons




Pure speculation , by you, at this point.

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That's exactly what happened. Because every white American (police included) knows that young black males are possible criminals. All you have to do is check your personal reaction whenever a young black male comes into view to understand this is true.



You don't KNOW that, at all. That's only what you WANT to be true. Just like the Left WANTED Zimmerman to be a 'white' Hispanic, and a racist. It's why his 9-1-1 call was edited by NBC, to portray a false narrative.

My reaction ? EVERY White American ? What about White Hispanics ?

Hell, what about the reaction of Jesse Jackson ?

“There is nothing more painful for me at this stage in my life than to walk down the street and hear footsteps and start thinking about robbery—and then look around and see somebody white and feel relieved.” - Jesse Jackson.



I guess I never realized you were so pathetically ignorant before.

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