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Worthy reading. I'll try to get back and explore further.

Thanks for posting!

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What really grabbed me though was his discussion of a mission to Mars, that it would be a one way mission for the first few astronauts. They would go to build a permanent settlement AND STAY, not come home! How flipping cool is that?!?

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I am seriously impressed by the eloquence in the answers here. Don't have to read all of them but there's some good stuff here.

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Great questions and greater answers, yeah. His descriptions of the moon (seeing the curve of the surface) and the Titanic from a French sub, were super.
What really grabbed me though was his discussion of a mission to Mars, that it would be a one way mission for the first few astronauts. They would go to build a permanent settlement AND STAY, not come home! How flipping cool is that?!?

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It was in that spirit that Buzz Aldrin and Neil Armstrong walked on the moon, and it is in that spirit that we will go to the stars.

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It was in that spirit that Buzz Aldrin and Neil Armstrong walked on the moon, and it is in that spirit that we will go to the stars.

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Spirit and Heroism are bullshit. They don't sustain us for long, which is why nobody has been back to the Moon in my lifetime.

Even down to the name, Buzz is not serious. Buzz Aldrin is now his true legal name; he changed it 1988. An astronaut that is NOT full of bullshit like Buzz would be Franklin Chang Díaz. His plasma rocket propulsion technology can achieve very high exhaust speeds, and even has the theoretical capability to take a manned rocket to Mars in 39 days. Buzz should be buzzing about plasma rockets, if he has got to run his mouth.

It is the Kaylees that will get to Mars, not the big talk Mals of the world, who give speeches, motivating themselves and other to get killed. Thanks you, Mal and Buzz. Buzz is a classic Mal promoting a bonehead Mars plan. One way trip. What a dumb-ass of a plan, based on chemical rockets.

Buzz needs a Kaylee to tell him how to really get to Mars. Then promote that plan.

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Talk about a buzz kill.

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Ion propelled to wonder why this is the thrust of the disagreement.

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How about going to reddit and asking Buzz yourself? Let us know who you sign in as so we can watch the exchange (and please don't mention you're a Firefly fan).

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How about going to reddit and asking Buzz yourself? Let us know who you sign in as so we can watch the exchange (and please don't mention you're a Firefly fan).

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Originally posted by Oonjerah:

Quote Bytemite, "And frankly if we're really going to get into an argument about more viable ways to establish space colonies, we probably should talk about a how carrying fuel to escape a gravity field as strong as the one produced by Earth isn't actually the best idea and we ought to construct all the equipment and vessels we need in space."

Islands in the Sky ... to house & manufacture, etc.
Didn't we already start that?

Asking because I know nothing of our current space program.
Like ... do we still use our own space shuttles?

P.S. Since the moon & asteroids have low gravity compared to Earth,
round trips to them need far less fuel. Would it be practical to
mine some manufacturing materials out there?


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Part of being smart is knowing what you're dumb at.

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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
Cites private life as a negative indicator of character, similar to republicans and Clinton.

Actually hates because of a different political leaning (again like Republicans).

Considers this relevant to a conversation about the space program and Mars colonies.

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So second , it's YOUR opinion that what Buzz says per going to Mars, and how to do it, is that he has no clue of what he's saying, and will needlessly put lives at risk ?

Of the two, Buzz and yourself, who has actually been to the Moon ?

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Oh , and then there's this from Wiki -

Aldrin, a Presbyterian, was the first person to hold a religious ceremony on the Moon.

Dear god in heaven...he's a Republican AND he's religious!!

EVISCERATE HIM !!

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Au, as long as Aldrin held a religious ceremony up there in the name of
Rhiannon-Luna-Juno-Hera-Selene-any Moon goddess ... it's all right then.


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Not many people know this, but the Abrahamic god (El/Adonai/YHWH) is based on an old mesopotamian god of the moon, named, ironically enough, Sin. His holy mountain, and holy mountain of the Jews, is Mount Sinai. (He was probably later merged with a sun god)

Also little known, the Abrahamic god has a feminine aspect called Shekinah.

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I get you don't like or respect the guy :) but it's unclear to me what you don't like about his plan

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Here is an analog between Buzz's chemical rockets and wind power. When Lief Ericson sailed to Vinland he could choose wind or rowing. There was nothing else imaginable. You know what the results were for centuries: many failed colonies, abandoned and forgotten. People kept trying to settle N.America because they didn't know the failures.

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Two is actually the name of his other account. That's why we call him that in other threads.

But I thought it was polite that you asked.

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Well, I did now.

In truth, I don't really use nicknames to mock a person, I usually start using a nickname - often without asking - because it's easier or quicker to type and because I don't really stand much on formality.

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I'd rather ask him why he divorced his three wives.

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Cites private life as a negative indicator of character, similar to republicans and Clinton.

Actually hates because of a different political leaning (again like Republicans).

Considers this relevant to a conversation about the space program and Mars colonies.

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As a side note, Buzz liked the movie Gravity. Didn't he notice that all manned space programs on Earth were destroyed by the end of the movie? Or did the failures just not matter? The only thing Buzz saw was the heroics. www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/2a5vg8/i_am_buzz_aldrin_engineer_americ
an_astronaut_and/cirt35v

The man's judgment is crappy. And not just about space. He is fundamentally blind to the obvious. I liked Gravity, too, but noticed the humongous failure that was right before my eyes.

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This board taints everything you know. It's hard to not get wrapped up in all the grudges that go around.

Sometimes, I have acted like an fool over very minor or maybe even imagined slights.

In an environment like this, the conflict is almost living, sentient. This board can make you lose yourself. You go crazy, and you may not find yourself again. I've come out the worse for all of that - I've always been a jerk, but I used to care if I was and what other people thought about me. Now I don't.

I'm just saying, you've only been here a couple weeks. Don't be in a hurry to make enemies, people will oblige you. Ask yourself always if you think you're being out of character for your normal self, and be ready to put on the breaks if you think things are getting out of control.

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Maybe he didn't watch it thinking it was a documentary....

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http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/2a5vg8/i_am_buzz_aldrin_engineer
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I am seriously impressed by the eloquence in the answers here. Don't have to read all of them but there's some good stuff here.

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Apollo was five lunar landings and then cancellation.

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Apollo was five lunar landings and then cancellation.

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Actually, there were 6 Apollo lunar landings...

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But besides that error, why are you so psycho about Buzz Aldrin? And who the fuck are you to challenge a national hero and space travel icon about anything? Besides shoving Mars Bars up your ass, what have you ever done in the field of space exploration?

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