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capitalism, by definition, is a stupid and foolish human system

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Saturday, June 14, 2014 2:13 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


What do I think of as intelligent, the opposite of stupid? I think it means being able to look at a wide range of information and to examine it in its own right - without reference to our own fears and wishes - to reach an understanding of what it is. So for example, not looking on solar eclipses as portents from gods regarding our human fortunes, but as celestial mechanisms running in their own way. In that regard, capitalism is extremely stupid. It looks at the entire universe of data and asks only one human-related question - can it make a profit? That makes it incredibly stupid.

And what do I think of a wise, the opposite of foolish? It means looking at the range of information we've gotten through our intelligence, and understanding what does it mean for us. In that regard, capitalism is extremely foolish, because having looked at only one question - can it make a profit? - it automatically concludes it should be done. That makes it incredibly foolish.

So why do we trust our lives to this stupid and foolish human system?






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Saturday, June 14, 2014 2:17 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
So why do we trust our lives to this stupid and foolish human system?

What? Why do you think? Because RICH FOLK.

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Saturday, June 14, 2014 2:22 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


There are a lot of NON-rich folk who - worse than believing this is the way things should be as opposed to any other system - don't even cognate that there ARE different systems, that things have been different in history, are different around the globe, and will be different in the future. Are you saying that rich folk determine our beliefs?



OONJERAH - We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.
"You, who live in any kind of comfort or convenience, do not know how these people can survive these things, do you? They will endure because there is no immediate escape from endurance. Some will die, the rest must live."

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Saturday, June 14, 2014 2:45 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
Are you saying that rich folk determine our beliefs?

Oh, of course. They HAVE to. And when they fail a bit, hey- another WAR takes care of that!
What the hell was 'too big to fail' all about? The belief that we need to save our Capitalist system- the ONLY system that works for us!
We prostrate ourselves before our Capitalist God, even as he loses his balance & threatens to fall & crush us.

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Saturday, June 14, 2014 2:58 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


You have a flair for images!

How do you think we're taught this?



OONJERAH - We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.
"You, who live in any kind of comfort or convenience, do not know how these people can survive these things, do you? They will endure because there is no immediate escape from endurance. Some will die, the rest must live."

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Saturday, June 14, 2014 3:06 PM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by 1kiki:

How do you think we're taught this?


Traditionally, we are shown the dangers of non-Capitalism. Look at the cold war & the whole Red scare thing... make anything non-Capitalist scary & dangerous. Make the center Left.
Talk to anyone from not-the-U.S. & they'll tell ya how convoluted our system is.
Bread & circuses.

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Saturday, June 14, 2014 3:37 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Hm. OK. let me put that up against my personal observations. people to hate first then 'systems'. makes sense to me. kids understand 'sides' before they understand reasons. people to hate - blacks, hispanics, and in another time and place jews, now replaced with muslims. learned very early. us and them mentality, turned into an us versus them mentality. later more distant less visible and more abstract versions of 'them'. commies. at the same time an us mentality fostered. flags parades pledges etc. simple associative conditioning. country = exciting compelling events. later generalized into an all-purpose sense of righteousness to which anything can be attached. usa!usa!usa!

also to hate - knowledge. facts. thinking. mostly associated with ideal/ non-ideal male characteristics. thinking = effete. you want to be one of us, not them. hmmm. come to think of it also associated with ideal/ non-ideal female characteristics. thinking = mannish. -parenthetically thank god i was raised by immigrants who didn't have that value *at all*-

from whence it comes. parents born and raised in the system. disdain for others/ knowledge leads to inability to learn new information or even direct experience. self-sustaining propagandizing. and also - lack of visible debate. a media function.

so, it propagates in part by parents who teach it, by peers who enforce it, by intentional promotion/ demonization by government, and by media selection of vision of who we are; is absorbed due to a desire to belong to the group.

this is as far as i get. need to think more.




OONJERAH - We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.
"You, who live in any kind of comfort or convenience, do not know how these people can survive these things, do you? They will endure because there is no immediate escape from endurance. Some will die, the rest must live."

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Saturday, June 14, 2014 4:09 PM

CHRISISALL


Your basic divide & conquer (control).

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Saturday, June 14, 2014 5:00 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


I need to think about that. I think it's based on what is a deep-seated basic human survival mechanism, which is to form groups; and to work out our other drives within the group and between groups rather than be unaffiliated to any group, or to have humanity as unaffiliated individuals.



OONJERAH - We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.
"You, who live in any kind of comfort or convenience, do not know how these people can survive these things, do you? They will endure because there is no immediate escape from endurance. Some will die, the rest must live."

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Saturday, June 14, 2014 5:17 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Best system there is, so this thread is stupid and foolish.

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Saturday, June 14, 2014 5:23 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Thanks for the thread bump.



OONJERAH - We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.
"You, who live in any kind of comfort or convenience, do not know how these people can survive these things, do you? They will endure because there is no immediate escape from endurance. Some will die, the rest must live."

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Saturday, June 14, 2014 5:35 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
I need to think about that. I think it's based on what is a deep-seated basic human survival mechanism

A long time ago when we were kids one of my best friends stunned me. No, not with a phaser, with this statement:
"A man needs a friend, a woman and an enemy in this world."
Back then we just laughed him off, but today I can see the conditioning he was so clearly verbalizing.
Like how a Bond movie can generally be judged in quality by how dangerous the villain is.
Survival depends on our ability to identify dangers to us. When there IS no danger, we just keep on looking for it. Behavioural experts know this, and have been using it for a long time.
Say, you know those Indians in Montana? The ones won't give us their land? They kidnap & rape our women, too! That's the last straw!!
See, you can make up enemies anywhere, especially if they have something you want.
Just like sex. We don't need it all that bad to survive as a species now, but man does it sell tabloids & toothpaste!
Take a Human trait, figure it out, & make it work for you, and you too can rule a chunk of the world.

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Saturday, June 14, 2014 5:41 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


THANKS. We come to this topic from different perspectives and histories and it's always a good thing to learn new things!



OONJERAH - We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.
"You, who live in any kind of comfort or convenience, do not know how these people can survive these things, do you? They will endure because there is no immediate escape from endurance. Some will die, the rest must live."

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Saturday, June 14, 2014 6:08 PM

CHRISISALL


I got more words.

Think of Capitalism as a strong boxer in the world ring. Comes out slugging. Opponent can't win, but won't go down. Our guy kicks the opponent, and the referee asks what's up. Our guy explains that it's not Boxing, but it works once in a while, and since the ref was bought prior to the match, he just nods. Then our guy has pepper put on his glove, and uses it to blind the opponent, the ref asks what's up. Our guy says he has no knowledge who put it on his glove or why. Ref nods. Suddenly, our guy is all out of energy. He is replaced by our guy II, who proceeds to pummel the opponent into unconsciousness.

Capitalism WINS!!!

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Saturday, June 14, 2014 6:11 PM

CHRISISALL



And Capitalism isn't foolish. It's a shrewd system for the maintenance of a class of people.

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Saturday, June 14, 2014 6:29 PM

THGRRI


Capitalism, by definition, is a stupid and foolish human system:

That's why I am a:

a: Capitalist

b: Socialist

Care to answer the question?


si shen



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Saturday, June 14, 2014 6:31 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


false dilemma



OONJERAH - We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.
"You, who live in any kind of comfort or convenience, do not know how these people can survive these things, do you? They will endure because there is no immediate escape from endurance. Some will die, the rest must live."

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Saturday, June 14, 2014 6:36 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


"And Capitalism isn't foolish. It's a shrewd system for the maintenance of a class of people."

But big-picture wise? State of the planet, sustainability, survival? Very foolish imo.



OONJERAH - We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.
"You, who live in any kind of comfort or convenience, do not know how these people can survive these things, do you? They will endure because there is no immediate escape from endurance. Some will die, the rest must live."

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Saturday, June 14, 2014 6:39 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
But big-picture wise? State of the planet, sustainability, survival? Very foolish imo.

Oh, you mean for us, the little peeps? Yeah, it a bad path for the most part, no doubt.
Capitalism should be a tool in the tool box, not the tool box itself.

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Saturday, June 14, 2014 6:43 PM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
"And Capitalism isn't foolish. It's a shrewd system for the maintenance of a class of people."

But big-picture wise? State of the planet, sustainability, survival? Very foolish imo.




I actually agree with you. I just don't see the point in lashing out without suggesting how to address some of the mess and unfairness of capitalism. Because Socialism doesn't work either.

si shen



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Saturday, June 14, 2014 6:45 PM

CHRISISALL


Bruce Lee showed us the way...

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Saturday, June 14, 2014 7:48 PM

JONGSSTRAW


Jeet Kune Do - Way of the Intercepting Fist



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Saturday, June 14, 2014 9:55 PM

CHRISISALL


Yes.
What works.

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Saturday, June 14, 2014 10:28 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


But - uhm - so many people don't know much. In fact, they believe what they've been told rather than look at the facts. If people are to be free, how do you reverse and prevent them from being misled?



OONJERAH - We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.
"You, who live in any kind of comfort or convenience, do not know how these people can survive these things, do you? They will endure because there is no immediate escape from endurance. Some will die, the rest must live."

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Saturday, June 14, 2014 10:58 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
But - uhm - so many people don't know much. In fact, they believe what they've been told rather than look at the facts. If people are to be free, how do you reverse and prevent them from being misled?

I really don't see a way. Just look at AURaptor... his fear & need for an enemy... his excuse for previous wrongs committed by his 'side' and his condemnation of the present dickwad admin for simply doing the same... he's a prefect example of divide & conquer, and no facts or attempts at a balanced view or discussion will cause him to *think* in any way.
It's how it's always been.
They own us.

On the brighter side, we have cool smartphones & shit now!

I like a little bread with my circus.

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Saturday, June 14, 2014 11:02 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


SERIOUS topic ... HUGE lol.



OONJERAH - We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.
"You, who live in any kind of comfort or convenience, do not know how these people can survive these things, do you? They will endure because there is no immediate escape from endurance. Some will die, the rest must live."

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Sunday, June 15, 2014 4:57 AM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


The only system that can ever work is one with a serious amount of balances and checks on it.


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Sunday, June 15, 2014 11:52 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:

It (capitalism) looks at the entire universe of data and asks only one human-related question - can it make a profit?



So you're assuming that anyone who runs a capitalist enterprise is interested only in making a profit? That they might not also be interested in benefiting their employees or their locality or the environment or education, etc.?

Seems a sort of either/or view of the world and people on your part.

Also violates Number 6 of Chris' Ten Commandments of Logic: Thou shall not reduce the argument down to two possibilities. (false dichotomy)

http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=58200



"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

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Sunday, June 15, 2014 12:15 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


That is the very premise of capitalism. Those who do not make THE MOST profit will succumb to those that do.



OONJERAH - We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.
"You, who live in any kind of comfort or convenience, do not know how these people can survive these things, do you? They will endure because there is no immediate escape from endurance. Some will die, the rest must live."

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Sunday, June 15, 2014 12:30 PM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by GEEZER:
So you're assuming that anyone who runs a capitalist enterprise is interested only in making a profit?

Thanks for breaking rule #4 here.

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Sunday, June 15, 2014 1:45 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Magons

I don't know if your country has been infiltrated with US-style capitalism yet. You seem to still have a social compact between citizens and government as a counterpoint to capitalism. But here we have what I think of as malignant capitalism, which has reached its tentacles into everything. At this point government exists to serve business.



OONJERAH - We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.
"You, who live in any kind of comfort or convenience, do not know how these people can survive these things, do you? They will endure because there is no immediate escape from endurance. Some will die, the rest must live."

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Sunday, June 15, 2014 4:00 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
At this point government exists to serve business.


To an alarming degree, yes.
Business has always found friends in local & national politics, but now more than ever there's a more or less indirect ownership of government.

My Son made an interesting comment today- he said pure Capitalism would be perfect for everyone as long as no unscrupulous persons participated in the system....

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Sunday, June 15, 2014 5:19 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


I'm not sure I agree. I suspect it's not a matter of doing it right, because it seems to be a fundamentally flawed system. Capitalism is about making a profit from the investment of money (capital) into owning the means of production. The goal of capitalism isn't to fill a need, or provide a service, or nurture the environment, or care for the people or anything except make a profit by any means necessary ... and then leverage that profit into greater profit. If that means building deeply inadequate nuclear reactors in an earthquake zone, or selling suspect chemicals by the tens of thousands, or paying starvation wages - so be it. It's the stupidity and foolishness I was referencing in my opening post. You can't have JUST capitalism. By itself I think it is a destructive and self-destructive system.



OONJERAH - We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.
"You, who live in any kind of comfort or convenience, do not know how these people can survive these things, do you? They will endure because there is no immediate escape from endurance. Some will die, the rest must live."

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Sunday, June 15, 2014 5:47 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
I'm not sure I agree. I suspect it's not a matter of doing it right, because it seems to be a fundamentally flawed system.

It's the stupidity and foolishness I was referencing in my opening post. You can't have JUST capitalism. By itself I think it is a destructive and self-destructive system.


Well, this depends on your concept of Capitalism in the first place, and also on the participants, as my Son said.
My concept of Capitalism is profit building through fair business. If all Capitalists had this as their definition, it would not be self destructive. The business of government should be making Capitalism adhere to this concept (the same way it makes you adhere to speed limits). Unfortunately, Capitalism has the means (money) to buy get-out-of-restriction-free cards. This makes the self destruction possible- the ultimate goal of unrestricted selfish Capitalism is ONE man with everything, and all others with just enough to survive servicing him.




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Sunday, June 15, 2014 5:56 PM

THGRRI


Quote:


Originally posted by 1kiki:
I'm not sure I agree. I suspect it's not a matter of doing it right, because it seems to be a fundamentally flawed system.
It's the stupidity and foolishness I was referencing in my opening post. You can't have JUST capitalism. By itself I think it is a destructive and self-destructive system.



I agree, what we need do, is get those with it all out of the process of writing the laws that protect their greed. It is not our congressmen who write the laws but corporate lobbyists. Why, because it is not us that elects our congressmen it is Lobbyists and their money. We desperately need good campaign finance laws and to let bipartisan judges fix all the redistricting that lend to congressmen listening to the radical few.


si shen



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Sunday, June 15, 2014 6:39 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


"If all Capitalists had this as their definition, it would not be self destructive."

Ultimately I think it would be, even if people weren't being rapaciously greedy and only a little bit greedy.

Profit is the difference between what you pay the person who does the work and what you sell the product for. In capitalism the person who makes the Mercedes, by definition, can't afford to buy it. Maybe they can afford a Yaris. The person who makes the Yaris can't buy one. Maybe they buy a bicycle. The person who makes the bicycle buys shoes. And the person who makes the shoes ...

And every time the cycle goes around on every item, profit gets sipped out of the system until all of the money is in the hands of the profiters and none in the hands of the workers.



OONJERAH - We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.
"You, who live in any kind of comfort or convenience, do not know how these people can survive these things, do you? They will endure because there is no immediate escape from endurance. Some will die, the rest must live."

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Sunday, June 15, 2014 6:58 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
Profit is the difference between what you pay the person who does the work and what you sell the product for. In capitalism the person who makes the Mercedes, by definition, can't afford it.

That's a valid & contemporary definition of Capitalism all right. As it exists today, at its core, it is pure economic violence, adorned with systematic resource destruction.
All for the sake of having too much.

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Sunday, June 15, 2014 7:02 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


"All for the sake of having too much." Interesting concept. I need to think on it.



OONJERAH - We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.
"You, who live in any kind of comfort or convenience, do not know how these people can survive these things, do you? They will endure because there is no immediate escape from endurance. Some will die, the rest must live."

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Sunday, June 15, 2014 7:57 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
Magons

I don't know if your country has been infiltrated with US-style capitalism yet. You seem to still have a social compact between citizens and government as a counterpoint to capitalism. But here we have what I think of as malignant capitalism, which has reached its tentacles into everything. At this point government exists to serve business.




The most depressing aspect of our current government is the enthusiasm for which it embraces the characteristics of the failed state of the USA.

Just slashed funding for education, health, welfare and the elderly in what has been one of the least popular budgets of all time. Even my right winged leaning friend/s hates it. And that's saying something.

It's got tea party fervour stamped all over it, an imported ideology that doesn't fit with this nation. Mind you, we've been pushed down that path by successive governments since the 80's, of both 'spectrums' if you can call the tweedle dee tweedle dum of choice a spectrum.

A classic example. Last government wanted to introduce a super profits tax for mining companies.

Quote:

The Minerals Resource Rent Tax (MRRT) is a tax on profits generated from the exploitation of non-renewable resources in Australia.[1] It was a replacement for the proposed Resource Super Profit Tax (RSPT).

The tax, levied on 30% of the "super profits" from the mining of iron ore and coal in Australia, was introduced on 1 July 2012.[1] A company was to pay the tax when its annual profits reach $75 million, a measure designed so as not to burden small business.[2] The original threshold was to be $50 million until independent MP Andrew Wilkie negotiated an amendment.[3] Around 320 companies will potentially be affected by the changes.[4]

On 24 October 2013, the new coalition government announced a plan to repeal the tax, citing its belief that the tax never raised anywhere near what was predicted, had led to negative impacts on investment in mining projects, and resulted in significant compliance costs. Treasurer Joe Hockey asserted that the repeal of this tax will save the government $13.4 billion.[5] A January 2014 poll conducted by UMR Research, however, found that a majority of Australians still think that multinational mining companies do not pay enough tax. [6] Supporters of the tax also point to continually-large profits produced by Australian-based mining operations, 83% of which are foreign-owned.



Yeah, repealed after a massive marketing campaign by the mining companies who manage to sell their hokey message of 'it's good for the working man bullshit' when really all the profits go to those of this ilk.



Unlike, say Norway which uses revenue from its heavily taxed resources to invest money for infrastructure.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/feb/19/mining-tax-its-ti
me-for-all-australians-to-realise-they-are-being-ripped-off


Well, who do you think we followed.....

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Sunday, June 15, 2014 8:05 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
The most depressing aspect of our current government is the enthusiasm for which it embraces the characteristics of the failed state of the USA.

Hey baby, the USA has not failed. It successfully sucked the money up & funnelled it to the 1% where it belongs. Australia is just getting smart like us.

Okay, bad AURaptor impression...

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Sunday, June 15, 2014 8:38 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Rappy is your sockpuppet. It's official.

You've been insulting yourself over the internet for the last 8 years. Silly British Man.

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Sunday, June 15, 2014 9:04 PM

CHRISISALL


I am a very sick individual...


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Sunday, June 15, 2014 9:06 PM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

Originally posted by GEEZER:
So you're assuming that anyone who runs a capitalist enterprise is interested only in making a profit?

Thanks for breaking rule #4 here.



How so?

Rule #4: Thou shall not argue your position by assuming one of its premises is true. (Begging the question)

Kiki states that the only motivation for a capitalist is making profit, and when I question that statement, repeats it.

Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
That is the very premise of capitalism. Those who do not make THE MOST profit will succumb to those that do.



This would seem to indicate that 1KIKI does not believe that capitalists from Bill Gates to the Koch brothers do not give multi-millions of dollars to various charities, because making less that the maximum profit would cause them to lose. It would also indicate that all capitalists do absolutely the minimum for their employees and communities. Do you consider tis to be true?

Any merchants in your neighborhood you deal with that seem to be after more than the last cent they can squeeze out of you? In 1KIKI's world there aren't.


"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

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Sunday, June 15, 2014 10:13 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



Any merchants in your neighborhood you deal with that seem to be after more than the last cent they can squeeze out of you? In 1KIKI's world there aren't.


Well, after locking out their employees during a labor negotiation then being fined $25M by the state for illegal pricing, my Ralph's here finally closed down. If it hadn't been for the state, I'm sure they'd still be doing what they'd been doing. Then there's my TJs where I shop often and talk with the employees. The prices may be lower but the employees are getting screwed. Then there's the Albertson's nearby - I truly don't know how they kept the place alive while Ralph's was open - their prices are atrocious - but now that Ralph's is closed, people have to shop there because it's quite literally the only game in town when it comes to grocery stores.

Those are your choices to pick from, because those are my choices.

So now, tell me Geezer, which of those places is your 'good guy' capitalist?



OONJERAH - We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.
"You, who live in any kind of comfort or convenience, do not know how these people can survive these things, do you? They will endure because there is no immediate escape from endurance. Some will die, the rest must live."

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Sunday, June 15, 2014 10:30 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Magon's

Your country has a fairly decent history of government representing its people. Since the benefits were sharply reduced, and government policy seems to be favoring corporations in favor of people, do you sense a political push-back starting?



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Sunday, June 15, 2014 10:41 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


*sigh*

I don't feel very optimistic. The voting public is basically pretty stupid. People vote on personality and what's best for their hip pocket. Basically we vote governments out and not in. The last lot - leftish leaning - pissed everyone off by their in house fighting and daring to have a woman in charge so people voted in Tony 'The Mad Monk' Abbott because he's a bloke and that's more comfy for people. He's a climate change denier, wants to do a slash on government expenditure, worsen working conditions, kow tow to business. The usual depressing stuff. All renewable energy funding cut. His treasurer thinks that wind farms are ugly, for chissake.


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Sunday, June 15, 2014 10:48 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


This bloke?





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Sunday, June 15, 2014 11:00 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


aaaarrrrrrgggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

please post warnings before disturbing images

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Sunday, June 15, 2014 11:32 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


imagine very very small font ... so sorry ...



OONJERAH - We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.
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Sunday, June 15, 2014 11:52 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by GEEZER:
Kiki states that the only motivation for a capitalist is making profit


If you don't make profit above & beyond your competitors, you risk a hostile takeover. Making profit is #1 for Capitalism, like breathing is #1 for Humans.
All capitalists do NOT do absolutely the minimum for their employees and communities. But they are risking much by doing good. Which in these economic times makes them less pure Capitalists & more good business people.
Good business people will fail in the EconoWars.

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