Quote:

---

Originally posted by second:
There was a 39 percent decline in gun homicides between 1993 and 2011 and a staggering 69 percent decline in non-fatal firearms crimes.

Given the horrific rampage that occurred yesterday near the UC Santa Barbara campus and widespread media coverage of similar incidents in recent years we could be forgiven for believing that the United States is experiencing a surge in violent deaths. But as best as one can tell from limited data, this isn't the case. America's murder rate remains high compared to rich countries in Europe or Asia so people are right to be alarmed by the level of violence, but the good news is that it seems to be falling.

More murder statistics are here: www.vox.com/2014/5/25/5749316/us-murder-rate-decline

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by whozit:

Shooting deaths are up 32% in NYC since they stopped "stop and frisk." The gun control wackos will blame the gun instead of the fact that this guy watched violent video games and the fact that he was nutz.

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by second:

Quote:

---

Originally posted by whozit:

Shooting deaths are up 32% in NYC since they stopped "stop and frisk." The gun control wackos will blame the gun instead of the fact that this guy watched violent video games and the fact that he was nutz.

---

Are you scamming? New York Public Housing shootings are up 32% since stopping Stop And Frisk. Public Housing. Public Housing. Unless you live in NY public housing, why care? www.truthrevolt.org/news/new-york-public-housing-shootings-32-stopping
-stop-and-frisk

NYNY crime has dropped 3% since the beginning of the year - yet crime in public housing projects has jumped by the same amount. Shootings at NYCHA developments have surged 32% to 74 - representing more than a fifth of all shootings in the city.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by whozit:

Public Housing that is in the Bronx, the Bronx is in NYC. So shoots are up 32% in NYC, correct?

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by second:

Quote:

---

Originally posted by whozit:

Public Housing that is in the Bronx, the Bronx is in NYC. So shoots are up 32% in NYC, correct?

---

Not correct. For NYC it is down. For public housing it is up.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by ElvisChrist:

Quote:

---

Originally posted by second:

Quote:

---

Originally posted by whozit:

Public Housing that is in the Bronx, the Bronx is in NYC. So shoots are up 32% in NYC, correct?

---

Not correct. For NYC it is down. For public housing it is up.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

---

He's not real bright with the maths.

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by ElvisChrist:
Next time there's a mass shooting that doesn't involve a gun, let's talk.

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by Geezer:

Quote:

---

Originally posted by ElvisChrist:
Next time there's a mass shooting that doesn't involve a gun, let's talk.

---

Buried deep in the articles about this crime is the fact that three of the six people Rodger killed were stabbed to death, not shot.

http://apps.washingtonpost.com/g/page/national/path-of-the-california-
shooter/1060/

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat:

Quote:

---

Originally posted by Geezer:

Quote:

---

Originally posted by ElvisChrist:
Next time there's a mass shooting that doesn't involve a gun, let's talk.

---

Buried deep in the articles about this crime is the fact that three of the six people Rodger killed were stabbed to death, not shot.

http://apps.washingtonpost.com/g/page/national/path-of-the-california-
shooter/1060/

---

OMG, we'd better regulate and confiscate knives, too.

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by whozit:

Quote:

---

Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat:

Quote:

---

Originally posted by Geezer:

Quote:

---

Originally posted by ElvisChrist:
Next time there's a mass shooting that doesn't involve a gun, let's talk.

---

Buried deep in the articles about this crime is the fact that three of the six people Rodger killed were stabbed to death, not shot.

http://apps.washingtonpost.com/g/page/national/path-of-the-california-
shooter/1060/

---

OMG, we'd better regulate and confiscate knives, too.

---

He also ran down people with his car before he started shooting, do we need more "car control" too? He was a woman hating, violent video game playing spoiled loonatic. Yelling for more gun control won't cut it here.

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by MIKER:

I am permitted to carry and do. Smith and Wesson 357 J Frame. I, as does this father want better background checks.


http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2014/05/christopher-mic
hael-martinezs-father-gets-it-right.html

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by ElvisChrist:
Right-wing mouthpiece Todd Kincannon refers to the victims as "cowering bitches."

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by MIKER:

I want better background checks. It just makes sense to me.

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
Your laws around guns are truly screwed.

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by MIKER:
When mental health information is submitted to NICS, it can be effective at preventing firearm transfers by licensed dealers to dangerous people.

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
This guy was seeing several therapists. He was posting hate filled manifestos on line. His family was worried sick he might do something. But none of this prevented him purchasing legal firearms, nor did it prompt the police to remove firearms. Your laws around guns are truly screwed.

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by Geezer:

Quote:

---

Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
This guy was seeing several therapists. He was posting hate filled manifestos on line. His family was worried sick he might do something. But none of this prevented him purchasing legal firearms, nor did it prompt the police to remove firearms. Your laws around guns are truly screwed.

---

I agree. Per our laws, even if his therapists or family considered him a danger to himself or others, they could not report him to the National Instant Check System or to the police unless he was adjudicated mentally incompetent by a court.


"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
Seriously? If you are a therapist and someone is saying that want to kill others, the police can't take action?

Dont therapists and police have a duty of care to protect the innocent, or do gun rights override that?

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by Geezer:

Quote:

---

Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
This guy was seeing several therapists. He was posting hate filled manifestos on line. His family was worried sick he might do something. But none of this prevented him purchasing legal firearms, nor did it prompt the police to remove firearms. Your laws around guns are truly screwed.

---

I agree. Per our laws, even if his therapists or family considered him a danger to himself or others, they could not report him to the National Instant Check System or to the police unless he was adjudicated mentally incompetent by a court.


"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

---