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AGW - A religious cult.
Friday, February 28, 2014 6:15 PM
AURAPTOR
America loves a winner!
Quote: A co-founder of Greenpeace told lawmakers there is no evidence man is contributing to climate change, and said he left the group when it became more interested in politics than the environment. Patrick Moore, a Canadian ecologist and business consultant who was a member of Greenpeace from 1971-86, told members of the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee environmental groups like the one he helped establish use faulty computer models and scare tactics in promoting claims man-made gases are heating up the planet. “There is no scientific proof that human emissions of carbon dioxide (CO2) are the dominant cause of the minor warming of the Earth’s atmosphere over the past 100 years,” he said. “After 15 years in the top committee I had to leave as Greenpeace took a sharp turn to the political left, and began to adopt policies that I could not accept from my scientific perspective,” he said. “Climate change was not an issue when I abandoned Greenpeace, but it certainly is now.” http://www.foxnews.com/science/2014/02/26/greenpeace-co-founder-no-scientific-proof-humans-are-dominant-cause-warming/
Friday, February 28, 2014 8:52 PM
JONGSSTRAW
Saturday, March 1, 2014 6:16 PM
Sunday, March 2, 2014 1:02 AM
MAGONSDAUGHTER
Sunday, March 2, 2014 1:07 AM
MAL4PREZ
Quote:Originally posted by Magonsdaughter: Yep, two idiots on a scifi fan site, vs 99% of the scientific community. You've convinced me, fellas.
Sunday, March 2, 2014 8:42 AM
Quote:Originally posted by MAL4PREZ: Quote:Originally posted by Magonsdaughter: Yep, two idiots on a scifi fan site, vs 99% of the scientific community. You've convinced me, fellas. 2 idiots quoting Faux news... Q. E. D.
Sunday, March 2, 2014 8:46 AM
REAVERFAN
Sunday, March 2, 2014 9:00 AM
Sunday, March 2, 2014 11:13 AM
1KIKI
Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.
Sunday, March 2, 2014 12:09 PM
Sunday, March 2, 2014 12:21 PM
Sunday, March 2, 2014 5:28 PM
Sunday, March 2, 2014 5:52 PM
SIGNYM
I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.
Quote:Consensus is not science.
Sunday, March 2, 2014 6:15 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: Moore isn't a climate scientist. But even a broken clock is right twice, so rather than an appeal to authority, his claims should be evaluated on their merit. What is his evidence? What is his logic? Oh, there is none. And little rappy is left holding the troll bag ... once again.
Sunday, March 2, 2014 10:13 PM
Sunday, March 2, 2014 10:20 PM
Sunday, March 2, 2014 11:13 PM
Quote: Your capacity to argue is inadequate.
Quote: Edit. Reading on Patrick Moore, I see that he still believes in climate change, just not that its solely caused by man. he also believes in nuclear power in order to reduce dependancy upon fossil fuels. So in actual fact, he's done a 180 on his views rather than Greenpeace being radicalised. I note that a variety of unclear statements from members of the self right-eous community here. So can you be clear. Do you accept climate change, but that it is not man made Do you dispute climate change occuring at all. So if you accept climate change, but that its not man made, can you stop with the 'its snowing somewhere, climate change is a myth' line/
Sunday, March 2, 2014 11:40 PM
Sunday, March 2, 2014 11:44 PM
Monday, March 3, 2014 5:55 AM
Quote: "Did he claim it was a religious cult? "
Quote: " And what does this do to your claim AGW is a religion, which has nothing to do with what he said? "
Monday, March 3, 2014 9:15 AM
NIKI2
Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...
Monday, March 3, 2014 10:00 AM
Quote: Gotta ask: Kiki, Magons, why do you bother? You KNOW Rap puts up anything he can find "debunking" climate change 'cuz he know it gets your goat.
Quote: You KNOW nothing you ever write, no facts, no reality, will ever get through. You KNOW any response at all is what he lives for. So again I ask: Why do you bother?
Quote: Just as an aside; we used to work with Greenpeace back in the '70s, and we left it, too, after the big broo-ha-ha between Greenpeace Canada and Greenpeace USA, and somewhat because of politics as well. So what? That means nothing...but then neither does any of the other bullshit put up by trolls for no reason but to troll.
Monday, March 3, 2014 11:45 AM
Quote:So, steady to dropping global temps for almost 2 decades,
Quote: Michael Mann fudging data, as shown in the E. Anglia e-mails
Quote: and nonsensical and absurd predictions by AlGore and the like don't count as " facts " in your world, do they ?
Monday, March 3, 2014 2:00 PM
Monday, March 3, 2014 2:46 PM
6IXSTRINGJACK
Monday, March 3, 2014 3:07 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Quote: "Did he claim it was a religious cult? " Yep. He did. " You can't hardly get a science grant these days without saying it has something to do with climate change. It is a kind of nasty combination of extreme political ideology and a religious cult all rolled into one." - Patrick Moore Quote: " And what does this do to your claim AGW is a religion, which has nothing to do with what he said? " Now I don't care who ya are, that's just funny ! Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts. " AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall
Monday, March 3, 2014 3:43 PM
STORYMARK
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: Did he claim it was a religious cult? Did he offer ANY scientific refutation of the facts that have been observed? Did he propose any logic to reinterpret existing information?
Monday, March 3, 2014 3:50 PM
Monday, March 3, 2014 4:12 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: LYING RAPPY FROM YOUR LINK? NOPE - NOT THERE. So, got any more LIES to spout?
Quote:When asked by Hannity what’s driving the Climate Change agenda, he said this: "It is a powerful convergence of interests among a very large number of elites, including politicians who want to make it seem as though they are saving the world, environmentalists who want to raise money and get control over very large issues like our entire energy policy, media for sensationalism, universities and professors for grants – you can’t hardly get a science grant these days without saying it has something to do with Climate Change. It is a kind of nasty combination of extreme political ideology and a religious cult all rolled into one. And it’s take over way too much of our thought process and way too much of our priorities. There are millions of children dying every day from preventable vitamin deficiencies and diseases and we’re spending hundreds of billions of dollars on a problem that may not exist."
Monday, March 3, 2014 4:37 PM
Monday, March 3, 2014 4:56 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: Oh, now you bring up a DIFFERENT link. not your original. http://www.foxnews.com/science/2014/02/26/greenpeace-co-founder-no-scientific-proof-humans-are-dominant-cause-warming/ So, you lying ASSHOLE, was that in you ORIGINAL link? yes - or NO?
Monday, March 3, 2014 5:50 PM
Monday, March 3, 2014 6:13 PM
Monday, March 3, 2014 7:50 PM
KPO
Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.
Quote:Originally posted by reaverfan: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Moore_(environmentalist) LOL!
Monday, March 3, 2014 10:05 PM
Quote:Originally posted by kpo: Quote:Originally posted by reaverfan: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Moore_(environmentalist) LOL! Things we should note about this guy: 1. He's a geologist, talking outside of his expertise
Quote: 2. He founded a consultancy firm that makes money giving environmental advice to industry, notably mining and fossil fuels (both very CO2 polluting) - http://greenspiritstrategies.com/ https://www.facebook.com/pages/Greenspirit-Strategies-Ltd/133151890177271
Quote: Lone dissenting scientific voices are out there, but we're yet to meet any of them who demand to be listened to/believed, over the vast weight of scientific opinion out there saying the contrary. Keep looking though Auraptor! .
Tuesday, March 4, 2014 12:40 AM
Tuesday, March 4, 2014 5:06 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: Just as an aside; we used to work with Greenpeace back in the '70s, and we left it, too, after the big broo-ha-ha between Greenpeace Canada and Greenpeace USA, and somewhat because of politics as well. So what? That means nothing...but then neither does any of the other bullshit put up by trolls for no reason but to troll.
Tuesday, March 4, 2014 6:14 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote:Consensus is not science. I think I've already addressed this. Consensus isn't science. But neither is knee-jerk opposition, or winnowing through mounds of facts for some teeny-tiny factoid. You don't know science, you don't do science, and therefore your opinions about science, or anything related to science are just that: opinions. You used to be a lot more fun when you brought up glacier carbon dioxide or the Siberian tree rings, but then you got your ass handed to you and stopped being any fun at all...
Tuesday, March 4, 2014 7:23 AM
Quote:Really? And Geologist have no understanding of ancient climates ?
Quote:I guess you're just all in for 'screw any and all dissenting opinion', huh ??
Quote:1000 to 1 doesn't make the 1 wrong, genius.
Quote:Who better to use the input from a member of GreenPeace ? DUH!
Tuesday, March 4, 2014 7:40 AM
SECOND
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: In Parts of U.S., March Is the Coldest It's Been Since the 1800s
Tuesday, March 4, 2014 9:22 AM
Tuesday, March 4, 2014 10:04 AM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: second - we are a flea on the dog's tail . Mankind isn't the one doing the wagging.
Tuesday, March 4, 2014 10:09 AM
Tuesday, March 4, 2014 10:37 AM
Quote:Kpo - your issue is that he makes $, period
Quote:econd - we are a flea on the dog's tail . Mankind isn't the one doing the wagging.
Tuesday, March 4, 2014 11:40 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Mankind did not put the fossil fuels into the ground, but it is burning the fuel to CO2. And then what happens next? "Nothing!" say some, based on their faith in the invisible and unknowable.
Tuesday, March 4, 2014 12:34 PM
Tuesday, March 4, 2014 3:13 PM
Tuesday, March 4, 2014 3:14 PM
Tuesday, March 4, 2014 4:40 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: second http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/ Global Summary Information - January 2014 January Global Temperature Fourth Highest on Record
Tuesday, March 4, 2014 6:05 PM
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