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Venture Capitalist Says "War" on the Rich Is Like Nazi Germany's War on the Jews

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Monday, January 27, 2014 1:53 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



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Just missing "Alinsky "


See? You DO read ! Glad to see you're learning - something.





Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

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Monday, January 27, 2014 2:07 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


(Happy you're enjoying them, Kiki)

Just for you, Mark:





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Monday, January 27, 2014 2:39 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


Trolling is not the word to use for what AURaptor does.

Tea Party Patriot clash with everything. Perfect example is Senator Ted Cruz from the Tea Party state of Texas denying the government shutdown was his doing. Last Sunday on TV, Cruz smoothly denied reality. The smaller people in the Tea Party follow Cruz's lead in how to deal with other people with other opinions. http://crooksandliars.com/2014/01/cbs-host-laughs-ted-cruzs-face-repea
tedly
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CBS Host Laughs In Ted Cruz's Face For Repeatedly Denying He Shut Down Government

CBS host Bob Schieffer's was driven nearly to a fit of giggles on Sunday after Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) repeatedly refused to take responsibility for last year's government shutdown.

The veteran newsman led off his Sunday interview by simply asking if Cruz would be willing to once again hold the government hostage to try to get concessions from President Barack Obama.

"Well, Bob, with all due respect, I don't agree with the premise of your question," Cruz replied. "Throughout the government shutdown, I opposed a government shutdown. I said we shouldn't shut the government down. I think it was a mistake that President Obama and the Democrats shut the government down this fall."

"The question I asked you was, would you ever conceive of trying to shut down the government again?" Schieffer pressed, clearly not buying in to the alternate reality.

"As I said, I didn't threaten to shut down the government the last time," Cruz insisted. "I don't think we should ever shut down the government. And I repeatedly voted..."

"Well," Schieffer interrupted, laughing out of frustration. "If you didn't threaten to shut down the government, who was it that did?"

"President Obama," Cruz said.

Schieffer dropped his head as the Republican senator's rant continued: "I understand the White House said over and over again that the shutdown is the Republicans' fault. And I understand that's what you're repeating. But the reality is, I voted over and over again to fund the federal government."

"Senator, I know what Republicans were telling me -- like [House Speaker] John Boehner -- that this was a disaster and never again," Schieffer shot back, frustrated but also clearly amused at the senator's talking points.



The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, January 27, 2014 2:54 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Yup, just posted this one ("Cruz makes a funny"). Amazing how people like Cruz can lie so blatantly with such a bland, straight face.

I disagree about Rap, however; what he does is quite deliberate and it's been the same M.O. for years now. This description is in one of the .gifs I post regarding trolls. If it's not a perfect description of Rap, I don't know what is:



What would YOU call it?


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Monday, January 27, 2014 3:03 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Cruz didn't try shut the govt down. Obama did.

Old Bob laughed because that's the party narrative he's paid to promote.

He's a lefty, not a reporter of facts.
He's a propagandist. Nothing more.



Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Monday, January 27, 2014 3:28 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.





RUSH LIMBAUGH is a BLUE PILL ADDICT!
As evidence of "rape mentality"
Tuesday, July 30, 2013 8:11 PM
MAL4PREZ
And just remember, according to Rappy, the term befitting a women who wants the insurance she pays for to cover medications affecting her reproductive organs is
whore

Wednesday, July 31, 2013 4:23 PM
little rappy
The term applies



And this is Geezer being non-partisan ... HAHAHA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ...
Dem Super Pac slams Obamacare because it really sucks and will cause herpes
Geezer
So some Democrats are running on pointing out that the Healthcare.gov rollout was an unmitigated disaster.

I feel so vindicated.


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Monday, January 27, 2014 3:34 PM

BYTEMITE


Comparing anything to Nazis is the product of an uncreative mind, too ignorant to have any other (more accurate) references. Yes, this rather whiny and unsympathetic member of Rupert Murdoch's inner circle has his head on straight and he's discovered, shockingly, that America's rich are in danger.

You may well find it interesting to know that tensions in the French Revolution were caused primarily by war debts, government created inflation relative to unchanging wages, and the fact that the clergy and nobility, who had 90% of the wealth and represented 1% of the population, paid NO TAXES whatsoever, and often received kickbacks from the taxes taken from the rest of the population. What's more, giving more money to the employers of the French nation did not necessarily result in a better lifestyle or income for those they employed but rather reduced money in circulation and social mobility, which in those times due to social pressures was never very good to begin with. The hostility of the other classes was exacerbated by the contempt that the aristocracy showed any member of the working classes who did not have the sense to be born with the same wealth and connections they had.

History repeats itself, and those who could pass on the lessons of the past are usually dead by the time they are sufficiently taught. Reality does not suffer fools.

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Monday, January 27, 2014 4:46 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


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Originally posted by Niki2:
Yup, just posted this one ("Cruz makes a funny"). Amazing how people like Cruz can lie so blatantly with such a bland, straight face.

I disagree about Rap, however; what he does is quite deliberate and it's been the same M.O. for years now. This description is in one of the .gifs I post regarding trolls. If it's not a perfect description of Rap, I don't know what is:



What would YOU call it?


I'd call it fraud. Senator Cruz is a fraud -- wrongful or criminal deception intended to result in financial or personal gain.

Senator Cruz caused billions in damage with the shutdown. Then he defends himself by claiming he didn't say what he said, he didn't do what he did. And the Tea Party wonders why it is disrespected when Cruz is its leader.

And AURapture repeats Cruz's fraudulent statements. That makes AURapture a fraud, too, which is worse than a troll.



The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, January 27, 2014 5:06 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
Comparing anything to Nazis is the product of an uncreative mind, too ignorant to have any other (more accurate) references. Yes, this rather whiny and unsympathetic member of Rupert Murdoch's inner circle has his head on straight and he's discovered, shockingly, that America's rich are in danger.



And if they're in danger, we're ALL in danger. Though the comparison is apt, for the reasons given.

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You may well find it interesting to know that tensions in the French Revolution were caused primarily by war debts, government created inflation relative to unchanging wages, and the fact that the clergy and nobility, who had 90% of the wealth and represented 1% of the population, paid NO TAXES whatsoever, and often received kickbacks from the taxes taken from the rest of the population. What's more, giving more money to the employers of the French nation did not necessarily result in a better lifestyle or income for those they employed but rather reduced money in circulation and social mobility, which in those times due to social pressures was never very good to begin with. The hostility of the other classes was exacerbated by the contempt that the aristocracy showed any member of the working classes who did not have the sense to be born with the same wealth and connections they had.

History repeats itself, and those who could pass on the lessons of the past are usually dead by the time they are sufficiently taught. Reality does not suffer fools.



Only this time, the top earners are paying almost ALL of the taxes, and the rest of the population pays less and less, and is taking and taking, and after being urged on by their communist loving Prez, demanding to be given MORE.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Monday, January 27, 2014 5:08 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


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Originally posted by second: I'd call it fraud. Senator Cruz is a fraud -- wrongful or criminal deception intended to result in financial or personal gain.

Senator Cruz caused billions in damage with the shutdown. Then he defends himself by claiming he didn't say what he said, he didn't do what he did. And the Tea Party wonders why it is disrespected when Cruz is its leader.

And AURapture repeats Cruz's fraudulent statements. That makes AURapture a fraud, too, which is worse than a troll.



Cruz and I are 100% right here. I don't give 1 damn if you think otherwise. You back the liar of the year, Obama.

I'm comfortable in supporting Ted Cruz. What he said to Bob Schieffer was dead on accurate.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Monday, January 27, 2014 5:45 PM

BYTEMITE


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Only this time, the top earners are paying almost ALL of the taxes


*Raised eyebrow*

http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-soi/12insprbulhignincome.pdf
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-soi/08intop400.pdf

And that is without considering that stocks are not taxable, nor is money kept overseas, and various other loopholes.

Also, you are only talking specifically about federal income tax where the wealthiest pay 70% of the burden (which amounts to between 0 to 10% of their individual income), which is a faulty way to frame the debate. When you factor in all the other taxes, the top 10% pay about 30% of their taxable income, accounting for 50% of the burden, and the middle class pay 25%, for the other 50%.

People barely understand taxes or economics, and I'm one of them. What they care about is that the wealthiest 1% of the country do hold 90% of the wealth. Which has the same chilling parallels I already mentioned.

But at least you agree that the dissent and dangers are more like the French Revolution than it is Nazis. Because the Nazis thing is a stupid comparison.

I, meanwhile, am willing to concede that spending and debts necessitating this degree of taxation are stupidly out of control.

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Monday, January 27, 2014 7:36 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Your #'s are inverted. The top 10 % pay MOST of the taxes, some paying as much 50% of their income. Most of the lower income folks pay NO federal taxes.

The Nazi comparison is apt, if one knows their history, and how the Jews were cast as scapegoats of the woes of the people of Germany.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Monday, January 27, 2014 7:38 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.





RUSH LIMBAUGH is a BLUE PILL ADDICT!
As evidence of "rape mentality"
Tuesday, July 30, 2013 8:11 PM
MAL4PREZ
And just remember, according to Rappy, the term befitting a women who wants the insurance she pays for to cover medications affecting her reproductive organs is
whore

Wednesday, July 31, 2013 4:23 PM
little rappy
The term applies



And this is Geezer being non-partisan ... HAHAHA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ...
Dem Super Pac slams Obamacare because it really sucks and will cause herpes
Geezer
So some Democrats are running on pointing out that the Healthcare.gov rollout was an unmitigated disaster.

I feel so vindicated.


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Monday, January 27, 2014 7:46 PM

BYTEMITE


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Your #'s are inverted. The top 10 % pay MOST of the taxes, some paying as much 50% of their income. Most of the lower income folks pay NO federal taxes.


Lower income is not the middle class. And as for the top 10%, that is not what the studies or the statistics say. The tax burden between the middle class and top 10% is about equal, in that both pay between 25-30% of their income in combined taxes.

http://money.cnn.com/2013/03/12/news/economy/rich-taxes/

Huff Post argues similar numbers, although they claim that the 1% contribute 30% of the burden which may be correct.

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The Nazi comparison is apt, if one knows their history, and how the Jews were cast as scapegoats of the woes of the people of Germany.



It's not apt because the analogy fails in a number of ways.

Even assuming a rather offensive stereotype that Nazis blamed Jews for banking practices that led to the failure of the Weimar Republic, that all Jews are bankers, and all rich Americans are bankers, that analogy fails because it is based on two falsehoods.

And that doesn't get into the fact that the Nazi hatred of the Jews had a eugenicist racial element that a dislike of the rich lacks, and that even Jewish bankers were living in Jewish ghettos by the time of Kristalnacht due to centuries of prejudice and oppression, whereas the rich hardly live in ghettos and except possibly for taxes can hardly be considered oppressed.

That they are in danger I don't disagree, but they can't say that this is like the Nazis until they can pony up some skeletal pictures of them starving that aren't young heiresses being anorexic.

Until then it just sounds like poor rich people whining about first world problems and ima mock the shit out of that.

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Monday, January 27, 2014 8:58 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Second, trolls are consistent, intentional frauds. Being a fraud doesn't mean one is not a troll, they go hand in hand.

Byte, I hate to see you wasting your time actually trying to communicate with, much less debate, our resident troll. Surely by now you've realized it goes nowhere, and you're the last person I'd expect to get caught by his bait of posting fraudulent "facts". I thought you'd have caught on to the fact that responding to him in any way does nothing but encourage him to post more idiocy and insist on it.

Surely you see Rap in the Wikipedia definition of an internet troll:
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a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a forum, chat room, or blog), with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.


Rap trolls every thread with a couple of sentences precisely described by the above; there is no intent whatsoever to engage anyone, and every time anyone responds to him, it's nothing more than an excuse for him to post further. Even if nobody responds, he posts again and again, TROLLING for some kind of reaction. It's gotten way beyond silly by now.





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Monday, January 27, 2014 10:14 PM

BYTEMITE


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Byte, I hate to see you wasting your time actually trying to communicate with, much less debate, our resident troll.


Because he is not a troll, just someone who believes differently, and no one else will give him the time of day.

I give everyone every chance to let themselves be heard, and allow me to then troll them.

Because *I* am the troll.

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Monday, January 27, 2014 10:29 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Byte, you are of course free to do whatever pleases you, I'm not trying to tell you what to do. I'm just surprised you haven't noticed not that a thing you write ever gets through, but it's your time and effort.

I will disagree on one thing: You are no troll; about as far from it as anyone here, and that's a fact.


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Monday, January 27, 2014 10:59 PM

JONGSSTRAW


Quote:

Originally posted by BYTEMITE:

Because he is not a troll, just someone who believes differently, and no one else will give him the time of day.

I give everyone every chance to let themselves be heard, and allow me to then troll them.


Good call Byte. Resist the psycho libs peer pressure here. They desperately and maniacally seek to marginalize and dismiss AURaptor at every turn, but all they're doing is displaying their juvenile frustration at being schooled by him every day.

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Monday, January 27, 2014 11:49 PM

MAL4PREZ


And now Jongs is back. Decided not to hide in her "Kaneman" skin, I guess.

Oh, the rancid smell of desperate trolls...


*-------------------------------------------------------------*
MAL4PREZ: Clearly [The Rap]'s doing nothing but trolling now.
STORYMARK: And not even cleverly.
RAPPY: [My trolling] did its job, did it not? Easiest marks in the 'verse.
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=57146
*-------------------------------------------------------------*

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Tuesday, January 28, 2014 12:25 AM

JONGSSTRAW


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Originally posted by MAL4PREZ:
And now Jongs is back. Decided not to hide in her "Kaneman" skin, I guess.

Oh, the rancid smell of desperate trolls...


Hey idiot, if anything "smells" here, it must be your fat unwashed libtard ass.

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Tuesday, January 28, 2014 12:53 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


"... but all they're doing is displaying their juvenile frustration at being schooled by him every day."

Wouldn't I actually have to read its posts for that to happen? But, yanno, if you need to think that in order to sleep at night I'm not going to waste my time trying to convince you otherwise. If you want to waste your life in some delusion, go right ahead.

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Tuesday, January 28, 2014 5:49 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:

just someone who believes differently, and no one else will give him the time of day.




Anyone who does not conform to the Leftist view of the world is a troll.



Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Tuesday, January 28, 2014 7:40 AM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


So this is another case of political misuse of langage, along the lines of 'Obama is a tyrant' now its 'taxation of wealthy = holocaust' or 'affordable healthcare is the first step towards communism'.

I'd say it was sloppy thinking, but its more than that, its deliberate fearmongering when it isn't at all appropriate and the analogy is just downright offensive.

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Tuesday, January 28, 2014 10:26 AM

BYTEMITE


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'Obama is a tyrant'


Only PARTS of that conversation were a deliberate misuse of language. I have to keep up my reputation somehow, and so I do it by interjecting at least SOME half-truths or blatant lies into whatever I'm arguing about. Also it keeps everyone on their toes.

And, again, it's not just Obama. It's also the US congress, the justices, ministers of the Commonwealth, and anyone else who spies on their own citizens and is involved in supporting western imperialism, war, and dictators.

But that's not even what we're talking about right now. Is it really necessary to derail the thread? Granted, it increases the chaos, and I'm all for that, but I would've thought the rest of you liked some semblance of order.

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Tuesday, January 28, 2014 11:24 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
They desperately and maniacally seek to marginalize and dismiss AURaptor at every turn, but all they're doing is displaying their juvenile frustration at being schooled by him every day.



Embrace your delusions, sweetheart. They seem to be all you have.




"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Tuesday, January 28, 2014 2:28 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


Venture capitalist Tom Perkins apologizes on Bloomberg for comparing the treatment of the wealthy to Nazi attacks on Jews



The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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