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Ukraine crisis: Thousands challenge protest ban in Kiev

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Sunday, January 19, 2014 8:42 AM

GEEZER

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Tens of thousands of Ukrainian pro-EU demonstrators have gathered in the capital Kiev in defiance of new laws aimed at curbing public protests.

They braved freezing temperatures to pack into the city's Independence Square, with some sporting pots or colanders to mock a ban on helmets.

The laws were passed on Thursday with a quick show of hands by MPs loyal to President Viktor Yanukovych.

The opposition accused Mr Yanukovych's ruling party of a coup.

The president signed the bills into law soon afterwards.

One of the laws bans any unauthorised installation of tents, stages or amplifiers in public places. It also permits the arrest of protesters who wear masks or helmets, among other restrictions.

Those who violate the law now face a hefty fine or prison.

Another bill provides a punishment of one year of corrective labour for slandering government officials.

US and EU officials have expressed deep concern at the new legislation.

Action plan demand

Sunday's rally began peacefully after scuffles the previous day between pro-EU protesters and Yanukovych supporters in the city.

Opposition leaders are also under huge pressure to come up with an action plan, amid criticism from many activists that their campaign has been too passive.

The protesters have been camping out behind extensive barricades on the Euromaidan, as Independence Square has been dubbed, for nearly two months.

The mass demonstrations were initially triggered by President Yanukovych's last-minute rejection of an EU deal under heavy pressure from Russia in November.

The protesters' demands later widened to include the fight against what they said was widespread government corruption and abuse of power.

'Illegitimate' laws

Among the laws is a ban on protests involving more than five vehicles in "Automaidan" motorcades. This followed such demonstrations outside government offices - including Mr Yanukovych's countryside residence - in recent days.

Party of the Regions MP Oleh Tsariov said the laws were in line with European standards and aimed at preventing further escalation of the political crisis.

But the opposition said the bills were "illegitimate", saying the pro-presidential MPs had decided to use voting by a show of hands after realising they did not have enough support.

Udar party leader Vitali Klitschko condemned the move as a "coup", while Arseniy Yatsenyuk, one of the leaders of the Batkivshchyna (Fatherland) party, warned that Ukraine was now bracing for another "wave of protests".

EU Enlargement Commissioner Stefan Fuele said he was "profoundly concerned by new legislation limiting freedoms".

The move contradicted Ukraine's "European aspirations", he said, and its commitments in the EU-Ukraine Association Agreement, which President Yanukovych abruptly refused to sign in November.

Instead, the Ukrainian leader promised to rebuild economic ties with Moscow. Shortly afterwards Russia cut the price of its gas supplies to Ukraine by almost a third and bought $15bn (£9.2bn; 10.9bn euros) in Ukrainian government bonds.

After defeat in the 2004 Orange Revolution, Mr Yanukovych was democratically elected president in 2010. Analysts expect him to stand for office again at the next election, just over a year away.



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-25798320

Anyone else following this?

Seems to indicate that even a DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED government can go down the wrong road. It'll be interesting to see if the elections in 2015 are actually democratic, or if they happen at all.

BTW: Be sure to look at the picture accompanying the article, with the ladies "...sporting pots or colanders to mock a ban on helmets". Good for them.

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Sunday, January 19, 2014 9:04 AM

AURAPTOR

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Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

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Sunday, January 19, 2014 12:54 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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One of the laws bans any unauthorised installation of tents, stages or amplifiers in public places. It also permits the arrest of protesters who wear masks or helmets, among other restrictions.
Hmmm... sounds like our reaction to Occupy protests. Where are the "free speech zones?" I guess the Ukraine still has some learning to do!

In any case, things are not always as they seem. For example, while slightly less than half (45%) of the Ukraine is for a shift to the EU, a significant minority- one-third- are still pro-Russian. This seems to be an issue which divides the nation (literally east-to-west) and neither side has a compelling majority. Also, the demonstrators have done more than "occupy" the city square, they've taken over City Hall- something which would never be tolerated here- or anywhere in the EU for that matter. And while you can't tar a whole movement with some of its participants, you have to realize that one of its prominent members- one that McCain cozied up to - has been banned from the USA for pro-Nazi activity. Finally, I find the Western involvement in Ukrainian internal politics disgusting. It would be the equivalent of a foreign nations backing our Occupy protests, with speeches by prominent foreign politicians and foreign money and support flowing towards Occupy, with a view to fomenting revolution.

Analysts have calculated that the Ukraine joining the EU would cause the Ukraine to go bankrupt and that unemployment would skyrocket. Russia saved their bacon at the last minute by buying about $15 billion in Ukrainian bonds, and offering them better terms for their natural gas. Personally, I think the Ukraine should join the EU trade union. Then they would have gotten what they thought they wanted, and would have to live with the results. It might be a learning experience.


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Sunday, January 19, 2014 1:14 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Jeez Signy - get with the program. When THEY do it THERE it's EVIL TYRANNY!

When WE do it HERE it's FREEDOM!

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Sunday, January 19, 2014 1:34 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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Jeez Signy - get with the program. When THEY do it THERE it's EVIL TYRANNY!
When WE do it HERE it's FREEDOM!

Well yes, damnit! You're right! *smacks forehead*


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Sunday, January 19, 2014 1:49 PM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Here go, SignyM. Beefcake of your hero.




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Sunday, January 19, 2014 2:04 PM

NIKI2

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When THEY do it THERE it's EVIL TYRANNY! When WE do it HERE it's FREEDOM!

Ay-yup. You'd never hear a rightie complaining about such things over here if the protesters weren't Tea Partiers...they'd be "that filthy rabble", etc., etc.


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Indiana Official Said Wis. Protesters Should Be Shot

An Indiana deputy attorney general tweeted that police should to use live ammunition against Wisconsin labor protesters, the attorney general's office said Wednesday.

Jeffrey Cox responded "Use live ammunition" to a Saturday night posting on a Twitter account that said riot police could sweep protesters out of the Wisconsin capitol, where thousands have been protesting a bill that would strip public employees of collective bargaining rights.

Cox also referred to the protesters as "thugs physically threatening legally-elected state legislators & governor" and said "You're damn right I advocate deadly force." http://www.620wtmj.com/news/local/116787118.html



It's wrong everywhere. It's wrong(er) here, because we supposedly DO have Constitutionally-guaranteed freedom of speech.


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Sunday, January 19, 2014 2:13 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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Here go, SignyM. Beefcake of your hero.
Um, you spent time looking for that?
I wonder about you sometimes, Geezer. But if you like looking at Putin bare-chested ... well, I guess the NSA will have to figure out what THAT particular search was all about! Hope it doesn't affect your security clearance!

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You see, when it comes to innuendo, two can play at that game. I suggest you don't go there.





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Sunday, January 19, 2014 3:01 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


"Here go, SignyM. Beefcake of your hero."

Wow. Geezer's getting pretty desperate. Yanno, since he can't actually address the comparison of laws between the Ukraine and the US.




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Sunday, January 19, 2014 5:38 PM

AURAPTOR

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Originally posted by Niki2:
Ay-yup. You'd never hear a rightie complaining about such things over here if the protesters weren't Tea Partiers...they'd be "that filthy rabble", etc., etc.



Well, the occubabies WERE filthy rabble. I'll spare everyone the PN style posting of vulgar pics from those drug and filth invested camps.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

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Sunday, January 19, 2014 6:03 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.




RUSH LIMBAUGH is a BLUE PILL ADDICT!
As evidence of "rape mentality"
Tuesday, July 30, 2013 8:11 PM
MAL4PREZ
And just remember, according to Rappy, the term befitting a women who wants the insurance she pays for to cover medications affecting her reproductive organs is
whore

Wednesday, July 31, 2013 4:23 PM
little rappy
The term applies



And this is Geezer being non-partisan ... HAHAHA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ...
Dem Super Pac slams Obamacare because it really sucks and will cause herpes
Geezer
So some Democrats are running on pointing out that the Healthcare.gov rollout was an unmitigated disaster.


I feel so vindicated.

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Sunday, January 19, 2014 8:09 PM

NIKI2

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Sunday, January 19, 2014 9:30 PM

AURAPTOR

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Translation: AU is 100% absolutely right on this, and there's not a damn thing we can say about it.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

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Sunday, January 19, 2014 9:36 PM

SIGNYM

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Sigh. Please....




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Sunday, January 19, 2014 10:24 PM

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America loves a winner!


100%

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Sunday, January 19, 2014 10:46 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.




RUSH LIMBAUGH is a BLUE PILL ADDICT!
As evidence of "rape mentality"
Tuesday, July 30, 2013 8:11 PM
MAL4PREZ
And just remember, according to Rappy, the term befitting a women who wants the insurance she pays for to cover medications affecting her reproductive organs is
whore

Wednesday, July 31, 2013 4:23 PM
little rappy
The term applies



And this is Geezer being non-partisan ... HAHAHA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ...
Dem Super Pac slams Obamacare because it really sucks and will cause herpes
Geezer
So some Democrats are running on pointing out that the Healthcare.gov rollout was an unmitigated disaster.


I feel so vindicated.

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Monday, January 20, 2014 9:30 AM

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Monday, January 20, 2014 10:09 AM

GEEZER

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Hmmm... sounds like our reaction to Occupy protests. Where are the "free speech zones?"



Ah, the old "Two wrongs do make a right" gambit.


"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

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Tuesday, January 21, 2014 8:58 AM

GEEZER

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And now it looks like violence in the Kiev protests may be a false flag operation by the government.

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The violence is in fact restricted to one small zone in central Kiev, close to the main protest encampment at Maidan (or Independence Square), with most of the rest of the city functioning normally, say correspondents.


Peaceful protesters have blamed a little-known far-right group, Right Sector, for carrying out the violence.

Key opposition figures Arseniy Yatsenyuk and former boxing champion Vitali Klitschko have condemned the violence but seem unable to stop it, correspondents add.

Mr Klitschko has also accused the government of paying thugs nicknamed "titushki" to delegitimise the protests through violence and create a pretext for the imposition of a state of emergency.

Mr Klitschko's spokeswoman wrote on Facebook that he, personally, caught, disarmed and interrogated two "titushki" during the night.

BBC Russian spoke to several suspected "titushki" detained by the opposition activists.

One, an 11th-year student called Nikolai Ignatenko, said: "We weren't told anything about what to do. We stood by the metro and waited. They gave us hammers - that's all".

Artyom Nemchenko, a college student, said: "I wanted to earn some money, I found an offer on the internet. They were offering 220 hryvnia (£16; $26)."

He said some of the provocateurs "were instructed to stir up trouble: erect barricades, launch attacks".



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-25823091

Perhaps to "legitimize" Russian forces coming into Ukraine to help "stabilize" the country?

Frem - Look like false flag to you?


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