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Remember that "white" separatist nutjob in Leah?
Tuesday, November 12, 2013 8:25 AM
NIKI2
Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...
Quote:Craig Cobb, the white separatist and hate crimes fugitive living in Leith, says a DNA test that shows he is part black is not good news and he plans to take more reputable tests to see if the results are accurate. Cobb, who's created upheaval in the Grant County town since buying property so he can take over Leith with other neo-Nazis and racists, submitted to a DNA test for the national TV Trisha Goddard talk show. Goddard revealed the results in a follow-up taped segment that will be aired Nov. 18, but clips of her reading the results to Cobb are showing up on websites. In it, she laughingly tries to fist-bump Cobb and says, “You've got a little black in you.” Cobb pulls away and won’t fist-bump back. The tests show Cobb is 14 percent Sub-Saharan African and the remainder European. Cobb said he regrets that he was “guileless” enough to believe that the Ancestry by DNA test would be scientific, and says he'll have up to three other DNA tests for comparison. He said he’s already submitted two samples, but his saliva didn’t produce enough DNA. Cobb said he’ll make the results public. “I had no idea or I wouldn’t have gone and done that and I still don’t believe it,” he said. “I’ll find out with real science and get the whole DNA map,” he said. Bobby Harper, a black man who lives in Leith, said he thought Cobb’s DNA result was hilarious. “I knew there was one other black person in town. Is he going to want to kick his own self out of town and discriminate against himself?” Harper said. Harper said while he finds humor in the results, he said Cobb could have some issues to contend with. “He’ll have to deal with what he wants to be and admit what he can’t be. He’s going to have to deal with it,” Harper said. Harper said he figures he’s in Leith because God has a plan for him and “this is it. Cobb could have been 14 percent Native American or something else. “ Cobb said he plans to “continue on either way.” He said the results, if accurate, could explain his hatred of blacks, because tribal Africans were hostile to other tribes and feel contempt toward American blacks of mixed tribes. Cobb said he’d understand if he’s rejected by other white separatists and neo-Nazis because humans should be able to exclude others by choice. He’d also be too black to belong to his own racialist Creativity religion. “Who knows, I can be an active border guard for people more pure than I,” he said. Asked about the implications for Leith, Cobb wondered if he’ll be target of “discrimination against octoroons in Leith.” Octoroons are people with one black great-grandparent. http://bismarcktribune.com/news/state-and-regional/dna-finds-craig-cobb-part-black/article_bfcbf59e-4b23-11e3-a44c-001a4bcf887a.html
Tuesday, November 12, 2013 1:52 PM
STORYMARK
Tuesday, November 12, 2013 2:12 PM
Quote:Craig Cobb, 62, submitted to the test as part of The Trisha Show’s ongoing Race in America series and was given the results of the DNA Diagnostics test by the host, Trisha Goddard, to the whoops of her studio audience. On hearing the results Cobb immediately dismissed the news that genetically he is 14 per cent Sub Saharan African, 86 per cent European, as ‘statistical noise.’ He said: ‘I tell you. Oil and water don’t mix.’ With a fixed grin Cobb, a man who relies on a dizzying array of statistics to underpin his own agenda of racial discrimination and sexual intolerance, shook his head and tried to wave these ones away. As the studio audience jeered and crowed in delight, Goddard insisted: ‘You have a little black in you.’ When the 55-year-old British host tried to fist bump her guest, with the words, ‘So there you go bro,’ Cobb visibly recoiled and twice refused to meet her touch. Speaking to MailOnline Cobb said: 'I agreed to the test because I assumed it was science.' Instead, he said, it was a scientifically bankrupt procedure, the product of 'craven and debased executives,' whose 'goal is to shock.' He said: 'When I told Jeff Schoep [leader of the National Socialism Movement] he just laughed.' He described it as 'short science' used by a sensationalist television show to 'promote multiculturalism.' When pressed over how he would feel if a test he respected were to show the presence of such DNA he said: 'Well if I did have any n**** we don't want anymore of it.' He would, he said, consider himself a 'border guard for the pure breds.' He explained: 'Keeping the peace if possible but if we have to fight, keeping the frontline in the war.' http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2493491/White-supremacist-Craig-Cobbs-DNA-test-reveals-hes-14-African.html
Tuesday, November 12, 2013 2:17 PM
Tuesday, November 12, 2013 3:08 PM
AURAPTOR
America loves a winner!
Quote:Originally posted by Storymark: I would have offered him a knife, and invited him to cut the offending 14% out right there on TV.
Tuesday, November 12, 2013 3:36 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: I'd not be surprised if I didn't have some native American in my ancestry.
Tuesday, November 12, 2013 3:43 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Storymark: Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: I'd not be surprised if I didn't have some native American in my ancestry. Yet you attack Sen. Warren for believing the same, and she had been taught it from birth. Funny, that.
Tuesday, November 12, 2013 4:13 PM
Tuesday, November 12, 2013 4:39 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Storymark: Oh, I see the difference. And its all about you and your sad little anger agenda.
Quote: How is it funny.... because you once again reveal your hipocracy... and don't even know how - even AFTER ITS BEEN EXPLAINED!
JONGSSTRAW
Quote:Originally posted by Storymark: ... because you once again reveal your hipocracy...
Tuesday, November 12, 2013 4:41 PM
AGENTROUKA
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Indian ( sorry, I should have said that the 1st time... 'America' is a derivative for an Italian name, Amerigo )
Tuesday, November 12, 2013 4:47 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AgentRouka: Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Indian ( sorry, I should have said that the 1st time... 'America' is a derivative for an Italian name, Amerigo ) Are you going for a joke here? It's not always easy to tell, over the interwebs.
Tuesday, November 12, 2013 7:24 PM
Tuesday, November 12, 2013 7:29 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Amerigo Vespucci (Italian pronunciation: [ame'rigo ves'putt?i]) (March 9, 1454 – February 22, 1512) was an Italian explorer, financier, navigator and cartographer who first demonstrated that Brazil and the West Indies did not represent Asia's eastern outskirts as initially conjectured from Columbus' voyages, but instead constituted an entirely separate landmass hitherto unknown to Afro-Eurasians. Colloquially referred to as the New World, this second super continent came to be termed "America", probably deriving its name from the feminized Latin version of Vespucci's first name.[1][2] - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amerigo_vespucci
Tuesday, November 12, 2013 7:38 PM
Tuesday, November 12, 2013 9:53 PM
OONJERAH
Tuesday, November 12, 2013 10:21 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: Man, he is good at diversion, is Rap. What has any of that shit got to do with a white supremacist finding out he's got African DNA? Not a damned thing; so you gonna let him keep threadjacking this?
Wednesday, November 13, 2013 12:22 AM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Amerigo Vespucci (Italian pronunciation: [ame'rigo ves'putt?i]) (March 9, 1454 – February 22, 1512) was an Italian explorer, financier, navigator and cartographer who first demonstrated that Brazil and the West Indies did not represent Asia's eastern outskirts as initially conjectured from Columbus' voyages, but instead constituted an entirely separate landmass hitherto unknown to Afro-Eurasians. Colloquially referred to as the New World, this second super continent came to be termed "America", probably deriving its name from the feminized Latin version of Vespucci's first name.[1][2] - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amerigo_vespucci I'm funny. But not THAT funny.
Wednesday, November 13, 2013 2:33 AM
ELVISCHRIST
Wednesday, November 13, 2013 10:48 AM
Quote: There is no evidence that Elizabeth Warren lied about her ancestry. She said what she believed. According to most here (including Raptor), that isn't a lie.
Wednesday, November 13, 2013 12:58 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Jongsstraw: Quote:Originally posted by Storymark: ... because you once again reveal your hipocracy... "Hipocracy"? Really? Can't be a typo because that's not even close. Try "hypocrisy" next time. And you've got the gall to call other people stupid? Hilarious!
Wednesday, November 13, 2013 4:37 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AgentRouka: I think I communicated this badly. I know who Amerigo Vespucci was. Who doesn't. I was wondering whether you were seriously suggesting that "Indian" is in any way more appropriate term than "Native American"? Or, you know, whether you were creating a very sly, very distracting joke on the side. (I'm a sucker for those.)
Wednesday, November 13, 2013 4:39 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Storymark: Quote:Originally posted by Jongsstraw: Quote:Originally posted by Storymark: ... because you once again reveal your hipocracy... "Hipocracy"? Really? Can't be a typo because that's not even close. Try "hypocrisy" next time. And you've got the gall to call other people stupid? Hilarious! Yes, I misspelled a word. And, as rappy himself likes to point out - when you fixate on a misspelled word, but ignore the actual content of the post - its because you cannot actually refute the point, and are trying to distract with something irrelevant to the discussion. Thanks for the case-in-point.
Wednesday, November 13, 2013 5:24 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Quote:Originally posted by Storymark: Quote:Originally posted by Jongsstraw: Quote:Originally posted by Storymark: ... because you once again reveal your hipocracy... "Hipocracy"? Really? Can't be a typo because that's not even close. Try "hypocrisy" next time. And you've got the gall to call other people stupid? Hilarious! Yes, I misspelled a word. And, as rappy himself likes to point out - when you fixate on a misspelled word, but ignore the actual content of the post - its because you cannot actually refute the point, and are trying to distract with something irrelevant to the discussion. Thanks for the case-in-point. Point of fact, you've STILL dodged the issue by not showing how I've been 'hypocritical' in my comments here, in the least. Wanna take another swing at that one ? Spell it any way ya like, I'll still answer. Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen Resident USA Freedom Fundie " AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall
Wednesday, November 13, 2013 5:25 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Just commenting on the absurdity of racial purity, is all.
Wednesday, November 13, 2013 5:32 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Storymark: For one - You're claiming she's lying - based on nothing. Yet you deny you lie - even when the words are quoted back. Additionally - you call her a liar because she couldn't possibly have any Cherokee in her family (despite the fact that statistically, a whole hell of a lot of people do), but you might, based on even less evidence than she has. Point of another fact - you STILL haven't, after YEARS, posted our non-religious definition of marriage. Will you ever stop dodging that one? So, I gave my answer, where's yours?
Wednesday, November 13, 2013 9:33 PM
SECOND
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: God works in mysterious ways...Quote: He said the results, if accurate, could explain his hatred of blacks, because tribal Africans were hostile to other tribes and feel contempt toward American blacks of mixed tribes. Cobb said he’d understand if he’s rejected by other white separatists and neo-Nazis because humans should be able to exclude others by choice. He’d also be too black to belong to his own racialist Creativity religion. Asked about the implications for Leith, Cobb wondered if he’ll be target of “discrimination against octoroons in Leith.”
Quote: He said the results, if accurate, could explain his hatred of blacks, because tribal Africans were hostile to other tribes and feel contempt toward American blacks of mixed tribes. Cobb said he’d understand if he’s rejected by other white separatists and neo-Nazis because humans should be able to exclude others by choice. He’d also be too black to belong to his own racialist Creativity religion. Asked about the implications for Leith, Cobb wondered if he’ll be target of “discrimination against octoroons in Leith.”
Wednesday, November 13, 2013 10:03 PM
Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:09 AM
Quote:Originally posted by G: Quote:Originally posted by Niki2:God works in mysterious ways... Anyone else notice how many talented folks come from mixed race backgrounds? Maybe there's some genetics theory to explain it... just saying... *whistles dixie softly*
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2:God works in mysterious ways...
Thursday, November 14, 2013 7:41 AM
FREMDFIRMA
Thursday, November 14, 2013 7:50 AM
Thursday, November 14, 2013 9:58 AM
Quote:Originally posted by G: I don't know either, but it seems like the stand out % for what I would guess are the percent of racially mixed children seems, hmmm, maybe high. People get queasy when genetics are discussed, most recent popular discussion involved a certain guy named Hitler. But I'd still be curious about any objective science on the subject if there is any. We know about procreating within ones own family tree = not good. That's all I got.
Thursday, November 14, 2013 10:33 AM
Quote:Originally posted by AgentRouka: Jumping to genes as an explanation right away.. why? Just to spite the racists? Isn't that playing their own game?
Friday, November 15, 2013 5:41 PM
Saturday, November 16, 2013 12:02 PM
KPO
Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.
Quote:Originally posted by G: Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Quote:Originally posted by G: Quote:Originally posted by Niki2:God works in mysterious ways... Anyone else notice how many talented folks come from mixed race backgrounds? Maybe there's some genetics theory to explain it... just saying... *whistles dixie softly* I don't know how many Cablinasians ( like Tiger Woods ) play golf very well, save for one. We notice stand outs like Tiger, because of how talented they are, as well as for their mixed race. But does that mean they really are more talented, as a group, than anyone else ? That would be interesting to know. I don't know either, but it seems like the stand out % for what I would guess are the percent of racially mixed children seems, hmmm, maybe high. People get queasy when genetics are discussed, most recent popular discussion involved a certain guy named Hitler. But I'd still be curious about any objective science on the subject if there is any. We know about procreating within ones own family tree = not good. That's all I got.
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Quote:Originally posted by G: Quote:Originally posted by Niki2:God works in mysterious ways... Anyone else notice how many talented folks come from mixed race backgrounds? Maybe there's some genetics theory to explain it... just saying... *whistles dixie softly* I don't know how many Cablinasians ( like Tiger Woods ) play golf very well, save for one. We notice stand outs like Tiger, because of how talented they are, as well as for their mixed race. But does that mean they really are more talented, as a group, than anyone else ? That would be interesting to know.
Saturday, November 16, 2013 12:16 PM
Saturday, November 16, 2013 12:48 PM
Saturday, November 16, 2013 2:04 PM
Saturday, November 16, 2013 5:01 PM
Quote:The origin of Aboriginal peoples in Australia has been the subject of intense speculation since the nineteenth century. Until recently[when?], no theory of migration had gained wide acceptance. Genetic studies had shown the Aboriginal peoples to be related much more closely to each other than to any peoples outside Australia, but scholars had disagreed whether their closest kin outside Australia were certain South Asian groups, or instead, certain African groups. The latter would imply a migration pattern in which their ancestors passed through South Asia to Australia without intermingling genetically with other populations along the way.[11] A 2009 genetic study in India found similarities among Indian archaic populations and Aboriginal people, indicating a Southern migration route, with expanding populations from Southeast Asia migrating to Indonesia and Australia. In a genetic study in 2011, researchers found evidence, in DNA samples taken from strands of Aboriginal people's hair, that the ancestors of the Aboriginal population split off from the ancestors of the European and Asian populations between 62,000 and 75,000 years ago—roughly 24,000 years before the European and Asian populations split off from each other. These Aboriginal ancestors migrated into South Asia and then into Australia, where they stayed, with the result that, outside of Africa, the Aboriginal peoples have occupied the same territory continuously longer than any other human populations. These findings suggest that modern Aboriginal peoples are the direct descendants of migrants who arrived around 50,000 years ago.[12] This finding is supported by earlier archaeological finds of human remains near Lake Mungo that date to 45,000 years ago. The same genetic study of 2011 found evidence that Aboriginal peoples carry some of the genes associated with the Denisovan peoples of Asia; the study suggests that there is an increase in allele sharing between the Denisovans and the Aboriginal Australians genome compared to other Eurasians and Africans. The Papuans have more sharing alleles than Aboriginal peoples. The data suggests that modern and archaic humans interbred in Asia before the migration to Australia.[13]
Saturday, November 16, 2013 8:28 PM
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