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That'll sure piss of Awbummuh.

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Too bad there isn't a VP pick that will make Romney not-a-moron.

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There isn't a human alive that Joe would 'demolish'. Ryan's plans are brilliant, and you'd have to have a below room temp IQ not to see it.

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There isn't a human alive that Joe would 'demolish'. Ryan's plans are brilliant, and you'd have to have a below room temp IQ not to see it.

Also, AlGore was never President.

HK - Why are you such a Mormon bigot ? Do you hate Harry Reid equally for his Mormonism ?

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There isn't a human alive that Joe would 'demolish'. Ryan's plans are brilliant, and you'd have to have a below room temp IQ not to see it.

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There isn't a human alive that Joe would 'demolish'. Ryan's plans are brilliant, and you'd have to have a below room temp IQ not to see it.

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Yes drastically slash government spending in a down economy...how's that working the EU again?

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There isn't a human alive that Joe would 'demolish'. Ryan's plans are brilliant, and you'd have to have a below room temp IQ not to see it.

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Yes drastically slash government spending in a down economy...how's that working the EU again?

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Poland and Germany seem to be doing better than most, no ?

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Playing the devils advocate here.... When you strip away all the bullshit, isn't the massive overspending of the government what got us into this mess in the first place?

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Playing the devils advocate here.... When you strip away all the bullshit, isn't the massive overspending of the government what got us into this mess in the first place?

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Frem: I heard a joke by a standup comedian on tv: "So the choice is between a Mormon and a "Muslim". To some Americans that's like Alien v. Predator". Made me giggle...to some in the South, I'll bet it's even true!

As to Ryan, I think his cons outweigh his pros, but I don't expect logic from the Romney campaign, so maybe he will...

I kinda hope he does choose Ryan. It'll also serve to energize the left, thank you, so "bring it on" fer shore!

I'm dying to see the debates. Obama v. Romney should be a BLAST, and Ryan v. Biden would be amusing.

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Frem: I heard a joke by a standup comedian on tv: "So the choice is between a Mormon and a "Muslim". To some Americans that's like Alien v. Predator". Made me giggle...to some in the South, I'll bet it's even true!

As to Ryan, I think his cons outweigh his pros, but I don't expect logic from the Romney campaign, so maybe he will...

I kinda hope he does choose Ryan. It'll also serve to energize the left, thank you, so "bring it on" fer shore!

I'm dying to see the debates. Obama v. Romney should be a BLAST, and Ryan v. Biden would be amusing.

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Romney, as big of a d-bag as he is, should go ahead and take "Reagan's" Bonzo as VP....

Either way, Obama is a one termer....

I just feel sorry for blacks and Mexicans now...

A vast majority of voters today are still white and until that changes that will be the last time they "experiment" with races.....

Let's just say that Rosa Parks would be shaking her head at Obama in her grave....

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." ~Shepherd Book

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Haha.....

Wow... that sounds like a challenge.....

Prove me wrong.

I'll be here in 2230 when you dig up the evidence you're looking for.

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Playing the devils advocate here.... When you strip away all the bullshit, isn't the massive overspending of the government what got us into this mess in the first place?

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Playing the devils advocate here.... When you strip away all the bullshit, isn't the massive overspending of the government what got us into this mess in the first place?

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Wow... that sounds like a challenge.....

Prove me wrong.

I'll be here in 2230 when you dig up the evidence you're looking for.



EDITED TO ADD: Don't forget that byou 2230, you'll have another 108 years of Government evil to account for on top of whatever other things you're trying to approve....

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." ~Shepherd Book

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Romney To Announce Running Mate Today at 8:45 A.M.

Mitt Romney will announce his choice for Veep this morning at 8:45 A.M. at the USS Wisconsin in Virginia. Some soothsayers have taken the venue to mean that the choice will be Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI). but none of them really know.

Red State, a tea party oriented Website that bitterly opposed Romney during the primaries has one of the best pieces around about the factors Romney should consider. These are as follows:

Identity politics: a woman would appeal to female voters, who form a majority
Race/ethnicity: a Latino would play well in Nevada, New Mexico, Florida, and Virginia
Religion: A Protestant would play well with the base whereas a Mormon/Catholic ticket might not
Class: Romney was born rich and became richer so someone born poor or middle class would help
Geography: A candidate from a swing state or region might be of some value
Age: Romney is an old guy. Someone much younger would make the ticket look less outdated
Ideology: Romney can't seem to shake the moderate label, so how about a fire-breathing conservative?
Experience: Romney knows nothing about foreign policy so having someone on board who does would help
Personality: Face it, Romney is boring. Someone exciting would be nice

The bottom line for the author is that Paul Ryan (42) meets more criteria than anyone else. The Wall Street Journal, Weekly Standard, and other staunch conservative publications and punditss are also strongly pro-Ryan.

Romney is under a lot of pressure from the right to pick Ryan. If he gives in, the pressure for more concessions will only increase. Ryan is not a safe choice. He is as much of a gamble as Sarah Palin was, but for different reasons. Like Palin, he is a young fresh face who would add a lot of buzz to the ticket, but unlike Palin, he is better vetted and is not likely to become fodder for late-night comedians. He is also a serious ideas person and has laid out a detailed plan to greatly reduce government, spending, and taxes, something Romney has not done. A Ryan pick would plant Romney solidly in the conservative camp and win back all the conservatives who don't trust him. He is also from the Midwest, and might even put Wisconsin in play, although that is far from certain.

On the other hand, as Chris Cillizza has pointed out, Ryan is making the Democrats salivate at the prospect of running against him. He is a hard-right candidate who wrote the Republicans' budget plan, which would immediately become the Democrats' exhibit A as to why the Republicans are unfit for public office. The heart of the Ryan budget is a plan to abolish Medicare as we now know it and instead give each senior a voucher that he or she could spend to buy insurance. However, if Obamacare is repealed, which the Republicans want to do, no insurance company would be interested in insuring people who are old and sick although they might offer junk insurance (with high deductibles and co-payments and low annual limits) just to collect the vouchers. No one knows how much the vouchers would be worth, but since the goal is to save the government money, probably they wouldn't be worth all that much. The Democrats would go wild scaring seniors afraid of not being able to get any kind of decent coverage, especially in Florida.

Additionally, Democrats would put the Ryan budget under a microscope and no doubt find many other unpopular items in it that Romney would be forced to defend. In effect a Ryan pick would make it impossible to put any distance between himself and anything in it. The Democrats would say: "If you don't like X, why did you pick the guy who proposed X?"

Ryan has other liabilities as well. He is a leader of a Congress that people universally hate. He also never worked in the private sector; he has been in politics his whole life. Given how much Romney has praised the private sector and attacked people with no private-sector experience, he is going to have some explaining to do. In addition, Ryan is a policy wonk and his political instincts have never been tested. He is surely going to have to give interviews and may have a tendency to speak the truth--even when that is bad politics. For example, if asked what is going to happen to people who are too sick to buy an insurance policy under Ryancare, he might just say something like "That's their problem, not the government's." While absolutely true, some of those people might not like the answer. Last, Ryan is a Roman Catholic. A Mormon/Catholic ticket would be the first time ever that a major party ticket had no Protestant on it. For those evangelical Protestants who are wary of Romney to start with, this might be enough to make some of them stay home on election day.

A Ryan pick has to be seen as a Hail Mary--something the ever-cautious Romney would only do if he felt he was behind and had to go for broke. Unless you are an early bird living on the East Coast, by the time you read this the choice will be known. And all the buzz might just be a distraction before boring Rob Portman or equally boring Tim Pawlenty is announced.

Under Wisconsin law, Ryan can run for Vice President and the House at the same time, so accepting the offer has no downside and even if he loses, would make him a serious player--maybe th favorite--in 2016

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I was right! This means I'm smarter then all of you

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Vice President Ryan

I like it. Sounds like a Tom Clancy novel.

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Wikipedia's page on Paul Ryan:





"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

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Romney's announcement: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Actual quote. Mitt Romney just introduced his running mate that way.

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Romney's announcement: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

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Kwickie- you're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing.

So, which is it?

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Mitt Romney's announcement Saturday morning of Rep. Paul Ryan as his running mate was going smoothly until the last line.
"Please join me in welcoming the next president of the United States, Paul Ryan," Romney said before Ryan walked on stage in Norfolk, Va.
Oops.

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