TSUNAMI! by piratenews

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Geeze... the power of it all. Devastating just doesn't cover it.

Terrible how those folks couldn't run faster, as all that was barreling down on them. And all those people in their cars.... what were they listening to, to be so oblivious of what was happening, and about to happen.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Sunday, July 31, 2011 4:09 AM

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

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...what were they listening to, to be so oblivious of what was happening, and about to happen.

Rush Limbaugh.

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Sunday, July 31, 2011 4:31 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

The people who were slowed up were old, or carrying the elderly. Later reports said that those in the video made it up the hill. It's hard to tell from the video, presumably those on the hill knew who arrived and who didn't, and those at the bottom were caught at the edge of the tsunami, not with its full force, so I guess it's possible.

According to rappy, they should have just left the old. Scraped 'em off into the maelstrom to die. After all, there is no shortage of human parasites. And every society needs a good fleabath once in a while, so good riddance to 'em.

Isn't that right, rappy?

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Sunday, July 31, 2011 4:39 AM

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Yours is a lame attempt at humor, kwickie.

If they were listening to Rush, it wasn't a live broadcast. Japan is 13 hrs ahead of EST.

And I'm just curious, why do you feel the need to follow up my post, in almost every thread, regardless of forum, and comment on what I have said, regardless of what the subject may be ?

Do you have a crush on me ? I'm just asking, because it seems a bit queer. ( in the odd sense, and maybe the homosexual way too. )

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According to rappy, they should have just left the old. Scraped 'em off into the maelstrom to die. After all, there is no shortage of human parasites. And every society needs a good fleabath once in a while, so good riddance to 'em.

Isn't that right, rappy?

How is that 'according to rappy ' ? Are you asking for my view, or are you telling me what I think ?

You're ridiculous in your assumption, of course, but it seems you've made up your mind.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Sunday, July 31, 2011 5:00 AM

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How is that 'according to rappy '

Rappy, son, I'm quoting you. But in case you can't read what's just below my name or would prefer we forget it, here is the quote

"You speak of 'the young, the old, the sick' as if they're an endangered species"

Now, I know you're going to say I'm taking that out of context, so I will bring up extended quotes from that thread in which you reveal your anti-human philosophy. And I guarantee than IN context you'll look even worse.

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Sunday, July 31, 2011 5:15 AM

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How is that 'according to rappy '
Rappy, son, I'm quoting you. But in case you can't read what's just below my name or would prefer we forget it, here is the quote

"You speak of 'the young, the old, the sick' as if they're an endangered species"

Now, I know you're going to say I'm taking that out of context, so I will bring up extended quotes from that thread in which you reveal your anti-human philosophy. And I guarantee than IN context you'll look even worse.

You're not quoting me, even remotely, w/ regards to those in Japan. This view of me you're presenting is completely fabricated in your mind, and no where else.

I have a very pro human philosophy, actually. It's just think that most people aren't reminded of how incredible they are, and fail to reach anywhere near their potential.

It's YOU who is stuck in the group mentality mindset, of seeing people only as members of this or that group, set, sub-set, etc...

You misreading and misrepresenting my view is a standard tactic of the Left. I'm not afraid of you putting any or all of my words, because I said them, I know what I meant when I said them, and you'd do yourself some good to re-read them and try to understand them yourself, instead of inventing some twisted, inverse point of MY opinion.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Sunday, July 31, 2011 5:33 AM

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You're not quoting me, even remotely, w/ regards to those in Japan. This view of me you're presenting is completely fabricated in your mind, and no where else.

ACTUALLY, I AM, and I fabricate nothing. I found the thread, and ... curiously... we were talking about a video clip of the tsunami very much like this one, and about the elderly victims as part of the discussion. TonyT and I were discussing your response to the BP gulf spill and the tsunami, and he said that he thought you would post about a tragedy to get sympathy, and that you were just crying crocodile tears. So, yeah, were were SPECIFICALLY talking about the tsunami and your response to it, and debating your humanity.

Here, let me start with this one:

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As for comments made... I deny nothing. I defend that which matters to me, and I apologize for nothing.

Glad you set that straight! Now, let's see you weasel out of them!

From the same thread, where we were specifically discussing the possible elderly victims of the tsunami

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Yeah, god forbid people should care about other people and make provisions for the young, the old, the sick and the disabled. WORK - OR DIE AND BE TRAMPLED! -1KIKI

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You speak of 'the young, the old, the sick' as if they're an endangered species, or some sort of wild animals. They're humans. The smartest, most resourceful and amazing life form this planet has ever seen. You, the Left, you treat people like victims. Like helpless sheep, in need of a kind but stern shepherd, along w/ his pack of wolves, to keep us all in line. I do not hold to that view.- Rappy

You haven't addressed the reality of the helpless, except with another irrelevant self-justifying propagandist slogan (which I'm sure you didn't even think of yourself). You are one fucked-up mother, and dumber than a brick. 1KIKI

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And I'm laughing at you.- Rappy

No, nowhere in that quote did you actually propose that the elderly SHOULD be saved, and made several points why they should not.

From the same thread:

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Poverty is a mental disease. And it's largely preventable. That's the hard, cold truth of the matter. The homeless are that way because they chose to be that way.

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It's not about equality, but freedom. The sooner you learn that, the better...Freedom fails is if it's oppressed and crushed, by pure democracy

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universal healthcare will destroy this country. Period.

Yep, forget about treating the poor!

If you need a reminder about what a pure asshole rappy is, feel free to visit "Flaying the poor, revering the wealthy"
www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=18&t=48155
http://beta.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=48155

RAPPY- You may want to slide out from under accountability and the consequences that so rightly belong to you, but the inet has a long memory. You right-wingers have a tendency to forget that.

Done here.

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Sunday, July 31, 2011 5:52 AM

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Sig

Just more of the same from you. I say ' teach a man to fish', and you say 'simply give them food, and keep them stupid'

Some how, in your mind, I'M the cruel one.

You should look in the mirror when you feel like blaming anyone.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Sunday, July 31, 2011 6:04 AM

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I say ' teach a man to fish'

OK, one last comment:

Do you think the poor don't already know how to fish, to farm, to work hard and be productive? You think you have gems of wisdom to bestow on them? What do YOU know about fishing, or teaching, or programming, or nursing, or working on an assembly line, or anything productive? You know nothing of it. In a lifeboat, you'd be the first overboard, because you really have nothing of importance to offer.

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Sunday, July 31, 2011 6:13 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up

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Sig

Just more of the same from you.

Rap, you must realize that SignyM and Mike both have ranks of huge grey steel filing cabinets ensconced in air-conditioned, hermetically sealed, rooms in their homes, where they have filed absolutely every thread, comment, link, cite, picture, video, or audio you've ever posted on FFF, and spend countless hours by candle light reviewing, editing and cross-referencing (often muttering "My precious, my precioussss"); preparing so that at any moment they can reach in - with fingers trembling with expectation - and extract therefrom an out-of-context snippet with which to insult you.

Pity them.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Sunday, July 31, 2011 6:17 AM

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Hey, I can swim, just fine.

YOU seem to think we live in a world where there needs to be a govt program for ALL of our problems.

The way you act, it's as if you think the govt has and endless vault, full of $, and that it's only because we, as a society, care enough about this or that problem , then we can fix it by throwing federal tax dollars at it, then all will be shiny and good.

Or, as one brilliant person put it - 'I'm here to get some money. Obama money.'.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Sunday, July 31, 2011 6:22 AM

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Thanks Geezer.

I do find it amusing that I'm so much the focus of their vitriolic attention, when generally all I've done is dared to offer up my own opinion on certain matters.

They'll quickly forget the times where I say something with which they agree, and toss a white hood and cloak on me, complete with a swastika on the chest, or some such nonsense.

It is rather comical.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Sunday, July 31, 2011 6:48 AM

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Once more, for good measure:

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I say ' teach a man to fish'- rappy

OK, one last comment:

Do you think the poor don't already know how to fish, to farm, to work hard and be productive? You think you have gems of wisdom to bestow on them? What do YOU know about fishing, or teaching, or programming, or nursing, or working on an assembly line, or anything productive? You know nothing of it. In a lifeboat, you'd be the first overboard, because you really have nothing of importance to offer.-Signy

Rappy would also be first out the airlock. He seems to think the Firefly was a celebration of bankers and investors.

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Sunday, July 31, 2011 6:54 AM

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Rappy would also be first out the airlock. He seems to think the Firefly was a celebration of bankers and investors.

Other threads, I keep hearing about how you and others won't even respond to me, that I'm only here to cause a ruckus and such.

And here you are, replying to me, not offering up anything of substance, just tossing people out of air locks when you don't agree. ( Basically sayin you'd like to kill me, for having my own views ).

How 'progressive' of you.

Crassic.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Sunday, July 31, 2011 8:04 AM

Tsunami. People died. Still an ongoing crisis in the form of nuclear power plant meltdowns, clean-up, and people coping with loss.

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Sunday, July 31, 2011 8:44 AM

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Rappy would also be first out the airlock. He seems to think the Firefly was a celebration of bankers and investors.

Other threads, I keep hearing about how you and others won't even respond to me, that I'm only here to cause a ruckus and such.

And here you are, replying to me, not offering up anything of substance, just tossing people out of air locks when you don't agree. ( Basically sayin you'd like to kill me, for having my own views ).

How 'proressive' of you.

Crassic.

How what?

Hey, I can remember you saying quite clearly that you wanted Signy to be killed.

Goose sauce = gander sauce, right?

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Sunday, July 31, 2011 8:47 AM

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Sig

Just more of the same from you.

Rap, you must realize that SignyM and Mike both have ranks of huge grey steel filing cabinets ensconced in air-conditioned, hermetically sealed, rooms in their homes, where they have filed absolutely every thread, comment, link, cite, picture, video, or audio you've ever posted on FFF, and spend countless hours by candle light reviewing, editing and cross-referencing (often muttering "My precious, my precioussss"); preparing so that at any moment they can reach in - with fingers trembling with expectation - and extract therefrom an out-of-context snippet with which to insult you.

Pity them.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

Huh. I thought you were really big on not assigning positions and deeds to people who don't hold and didn't do them. Either I'm remembering that wrong, or you're full of shit yet again.

Actually, it's not a bank of file cabinets; it's called "memory". I understand it fails when you get older, Geezer. You must be REALLY old by now, eh?

I get that you and Rappy don't like it when people remember what you've said and use your own words, completely IN context, to show how much of a worthless fucking hypocrite you two really are, but that doesn't change the facts that you ARE worthless hypocrites.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Sunday, July 31, 2011 8:48 AM

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Yes, there has been a massive coverup by TEPCO, the IAEA, the NRC, and the pro-nuclear elements (er, so to speak) of the Japanese government on how much of Japan was contaminated. Teachers are getting fired for telling their students it's not safe to play on (contaminated) playgrounds. Beef- contaminated from feed a hundred miles away- was shipped all over Japan. Since the reactors continue to spew contaminated steam, it will only accumulate, and as the wind keeps shifting it will only affect more and more area.

The spent fuel pool of Unit No 3 blew up and pieces of fuel were found miles away. PN was right on the money when he said "Oh look at the pretty MOX missiles!" It's fair to say that much of northern Japan was contaminated even worse than Chernobyl. That is what scientists are saying who have been to BOTH areas. And I don't mean alarmists, I mean sober-sided doctors and physicists like Arnie Gunderson, who (if anything) has always erred on the side of under-estimating the catastrophe. I'll try and get that interview for you... coming from Arnie, it was downright chilling.

Anyway, if you want to be infuriated, watch this video of locals confronting Japanese government officials.

Japanese Nuclear Emergency Director: You Have No Right To A Radiation-Free Life
/ www.gizmodo.com.au/2011/07/japanese-nuclear-emergency-director-you-hav
e-no-right-to-a-radiation-free-life/

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Sunday, July 31, 2011 8:57 AM

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Hey, I can remember you saying quite clearly that you wanted Signy to be killed.

It's more than that Kwicko. My daughter is disabled. When rappy says that the disabled should be left to flounder and perish, that is a very real threat against a VERY real person.

I know many working poor - most of them head-and-shoulders above rappy. When rappy says they should be scraped off because they're not sociopathic assholes like he is, that is a vey real threat against very real people.

The "collateral damage" in Iraq? Very real people. Real women, real children, real grandmas and grandpas, and really very dead.

These people are just as real as the peeps in the video, and just as real as rappy. If he perceives a threat, it is only a 1/10 of what he threatens every day.

Also, I seem to recall Mal kicking a minion through a jet, and ready to shove a greedy asshole out an airlock. Who says I'm a progressive? Unlike progressives, I don't happen to believe that EVERY person is worthwhile. There are SOME people not worth the air they breathe. Being composted somewhere is prolly the most productive they'll ever be.

Rappy thinks he knows something about mama bears? Well, he pissed one off.

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Sunday, July 31, 2011 11:39 AM

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Hey, I can remember you saying quite clearly that you wanted Signy to be killed.
It's more than that Kwicko. My daughter is disabled. When rappy says that the disabled should be left to flounder and perish, that is a very real threat against a VERY real person.

"When" I say that ? IF, is more like it, because I've never once promoted such nonsense. But that's par for YOUR course.

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I know many working poor - most of them head-and-shoulders above rappy. When rappy says they should be scraped off because they're not sociopathic assholes like he is, that is a vey real threat against very real people.

Head and shoulders - how ? Are they taller than I am ? Or are you talking Badger.. better than, above me ?

Again with the 'when rappy says'. I never have said it. Or suggested, hinted, implied, stated, or any such thing.

And sociopath? Are you a doctor? Have you diagnosed me? With out my consent? In what WAY am I " sociopathic " ? Elaborate, please.

If you can.

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The "collateral damage" in Iraq? Very real people. Real women, real children, real grandmas and grandpas, and really very dead.

And you want me to deny that fact? What's the point of you injecting THAT into the topic?

( btw - the villages , the Kurds, which Saddam killed, with those WMD you said didn't exist? Full of very real men, women and children? All just as dead, too.

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These people are just as real as the peeps in the video, and just as real as rappy. If he perceives a threat, it is only a 1/10 of what he threatens every day.

That makes absolutely no sense, what so ever.

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Also, I seem to recall Mal kicking a minion through a jet, and ready to shove a greedy asshole out an airlock. Who says I'm a progressive? Unlike progressives, I don't happen to believe that EVERY person is worthwhile. There are SOME people not worth the air they breathe. Being composted somewhere is prolly the most productive they'll ever be.

Rappy thinks he knows something about mama bears? Well, he pissed one off.

Ya pissed yourself off, honey.

You're so busy demonizing me and painting me up as some 'threat' to you, you literally have lost grip of reality.

Crow, tossed a knife into Mal's leg, and then told him he was going to kill Mal. Pretty direct threat there, I'd say. Mal didn't give him the chance.

Jayne, ratted out River and Simon, and put the whole crew in jeopardy. ( and not the fun game show version either )

And the heinous crime I've committed towards you and yours ?

Absolutely nothing.

Who's the sociopath again ?

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Sunday, July 31, 2011 11:40 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up

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Huh. I thought you were really big on not assigning positions and deeds to people who don't hold and didn't do them. Either I'm remembering that wrong, or you're full of shit yet again.

It's a JOKE, Mike. But from your reaction it must have hit pretty close to the truth.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Sunday, July 31, 2011 1:11 PM

FREMDFIRMA

A joke I found oh so terribly amusing cause I *have* blackmailed people in exactly that fashion, before it became ever so clear that anything you say online can and will come back to haunt you.
And despite the chat service (which in fact enabled him, as they GAVE him info for reasons inexplicable) being uncooperative, the logs from my software helped get a stalkers chops busted when he took it online as well as off, and stated some nefarious intentions, only to be caught red handed in the act of trying - it's one thing to brush off the ramblings of a frightened girl, another when a local advocate hands over proof of intent.

Siggy ?
Compost, imma remember that, get SOME use out of the bastards anyways, heh.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Sunday, July 31, 2011 2:23 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

SignyM

(c)Rappy musta' watched a different Firefly than we did. He didn't see the Firefly where Mal pisses Niska off by giving the people an antidote he was contracted to steal because, well, there are SOME things Mal won't do for money.

You want to plumb the depths of (c)Rappy's soul? Want to figure out where he defines good v evil? Find out what benefits him and people like him, and what costs. Is oppressive government evil? If it causes him to pause slightly on his way through the airport terminal it is. Because, it costs him and people like him. But if it bombs and kills and maims the innocent - old men and women of all ages, children, fetuses - innocents with brown skin and weird names in another country it isn't. Because they aren't him, or people like him.

What makes Mal different from Niska? (c)Rappy will never get it. He thinks he's a Browncoat, but he's Niska. Or, well, maybe not Niska exactly. B/c Niska was smart and successful and actually had a clue as to what he was. (c)Rappy, well ....

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Sunday, July 31, 2011 2:27 PM

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BWAHAHA! Too true! A Niska wanna-be!

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Sunday, July 31, 2011 4:52 PM

KANEMAN

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Sig

Just more of the same from you.

Rap, you must realize that SignyM and Mike both have ranks of huge grey steel filing cabinets ensconced in air-conditioned, hermetically sealed, rooms in their homes, where they have filed absolutely every thread, comment, link, cite, picture, video, or audio you've ever posted on FFF, and spend countless hours by candle light reviewing, editing and cross-referencing (often muttering "My precious, my precioussss"); preparing so that at any moment they can reach in - with fingers trembling with expectation - and extract therefrom an out-of-context snippet with which to insult you.

Pity them.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

That's one funny fucking post.

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Sunday, July 31, 2011 5:30 PM

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Sig

Just more of the same from you.

Rap, you must realize that SignyM and Mike both have ranks of huge grey steel filing cabinets ensconced in air-conditioned, hermetically sealed, rooms in their homes, where they have filed absolutely every thread, comment, link, cite, picture, video, or audio you've ever posted on FFF, and spend countless hours by candle light reviewing, editing and cross-referencing (often muttering "My precious, my precioussss"); preparing so that at any moment they can reach in - with fingers trembling with expectation - and extract therefrom an out-of-context snippet with which to insult you.

Pity them.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

That's one funny fucking post.

What's funny is that Geezer's so old that he thinks people still use filing cabinets, and he's such a geek that he thinks everyone references Tolkein on a regular basis.

Of course, it's also hilarious that both Geezer and Rappy are so fucking dumb that they think everyone has forgotten everything they've ever posted here. I guess it just goes to show the level of brain damage and lack of memory required to vote Republican. Can't say I'm really surprised...

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Sunday, July 31, 2011 5:40 PM

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SignyM

(c)Rappy musta' watched a different Firefly than we did. He didn't see the Firefly where Mal pisses Niska off by giving the people an antidote he was contracted to steal because, well, there are SOME things Mal won't do for money.

A different Firefly ? Really? You're on a Firefly fan site, a show which has but 1 season, and every episode is like a cherished treasure, and that's how you're gonna spin this ?

Wow.

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You want to plumb the depths of (c)Rappy's soul? Want to figure out where he defines good v evil? Find out what benefits him and people like him, and what costs. Is oppressive government evil? If it causes him to pause slightly on his way through the airport terminal it is. Because, it costs him and people like him. But if it bombs and kills and maims the innocent - old men and women of all ages, children, fetuses - innocents with brown skin and weird names in another country it isn't. Because they aren't him, or people like him.
Yeah, and everyone across the country is just happy and fine w/ the TSA. Boy are YOU on the wrong side of this argument.

Wait, hold up. Did you just say that a fetus was a 'person' ? Better not utter that too loudly. You'll be accused of wanting to shoot doctors and blowing up women's clinics!

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What makes Mal different from Niska? (c)Rappy will never get it. He thinks he's a Browncoat, but he's Niska. Or, well, maybe not Niska exactly. B/c Niska was smart and successful and actually had a clue as to what he was. (c)Rappy, well ....

And there you have it. The classic Left wing demonizing of anyone who dares to not participate in their utopian, group think paradigm.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Sunday, July 31, 2011 6:34 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Uh, I'm not detecting any "spin" about The Train Job, are you 1kiki? 'Cause that's pretty much how I remember it. Rappy must have really crappy memory, 'cause not only does he not remember what he said, he doesn't even remember Firefly!

BTW Geezer, I see you're still haunting this post with unsupported personal invective, but totally not responding to this one, which has a real, factual, important discussion in it about your favorite topic and area of expertise: taxes.

www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=18&t=49166.
I mean, hell, you don't even bother to QUOTE me for God's sake, you just make up some fantasy scenario with file cabinets and gollum and everything. Or, as Rappy put it... "completely fabricated in your mind".

You guys... two peas in a pod. How cute!

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Sunday, July 31, 2011 7:55 PM

FREMDFIRMA

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What's funny is that Geezer's so old that he thinks people still use filing cabinets, and he's such a geek that he thinks everyone references Tolkein on a regular basis.

Hey now, I resemble that remark!

The sad thing is that I DO have filing cabinets, and do use em - not only cause security runs on logs and reports, and there's no proof like hardcopy when it's so easy to fake electronic data...
(Although with the right printer, hardcopy isn't such a sure thing either!)

But also in that when you do legal wrangling, you really DO need harcopy originals, especially if they happen to be someone elses.

More than one bastard has got it in the chops when I pulled out their own documentation, with their own signature, after feeding them and their denials a whole lot of rope...

As for Tolkien, one of our non-PGP encryption rigs we used to use was based on the ballantine edition, 1-114 would be the volume and page number, and the first three words would be the decrypt password, that was damn simple and effective, till we had better alternatives.

Of course, if I ever had to send blind encrypt stuff to YOU there Mikey, I'd be using Honda part numbers as the keyplate, neh.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Monday, August 1, 2011 2:51 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Of course, it's also hilarious that both Geezer and Rappy are so fucking dumb that they think everyone has forgotten everything they've ever posted here. I guess it just goes to show the level of brain damage and lack of memory required to vote Republican. Can't say I'm really surprised...

Yep. Looks like I touched a nerve.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Monday, August 1, 2011 5:44 AM

DREAMTROVE

Geezer,

that was actually pretty funny. I can think of a couple others who might fit that picture, but I reckon from the response that these days, they use a spreadsheet, and reference Buffy.

That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

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Monday, August 1, 2011 7:04 AM

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by SignyM:

Uh, I'm not detecting any "spin" about The Train Job, are you 1kiki? 'Cause that's pretty much how I remember it. Rappy must have really crappy memory, 'cause not only does he not remember what he said, he doesn't even remember Firefly!

I'd put my Firefly knowledge up against most, even here. But , par the course for some on this board, there's some misapplying of facts and relevancy. Mal gave back the money, and a bit more, as I recall, for not completing the assignment. Crow told him to keep his money, and buy a funeral...

But correctly pointing that out doesn't in any way prove or make the point that I some how lean towards the Niska side of characters, and am less like Mal.

It's a baseless, childish and empty charge, on your part. I'd expect even y'all to know better.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Monday, August 1, 2011 8:47 AM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

"... doesn't in any way prove or make the point that I some how lean towards the Niska side of characters ..."

Now, am I the only one here who remembers that (c)Rappy approves of torture; has absolutely no concern for the old, the young, the sick or disabled; just hates it when people loyally band together out of common cause and wants to destroy them (ie unions); and approves of anything, ANYTHING, which makes HIM money especially at someone else's expense?

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Monday, August 1, 2011 9:44 AM

I think AURaptor approves of some interrogation techniques I don't, and would quibble about whether those techniques are torture. But the other stuff seems like an unfair characterization, as the result of comments taken out of context or misinterpreted in an argument.

The most I might give you is that AuRaptor is very callous and dismissive towards some (?) Muslims, of varying ages and health, but no one but a caricature generally hates babies, children, old people, the sick, the disabled, and puppies.

Similarly, I have seen Geezer give different points of views in arguments where I've thought both sides have a point, but I don't recall ever seeing him lie. He may perhaps have been incorrect in some instances, but to lie I think he would have to not believe what he was saying, which I think he does.

However, I do think that each of us has probably at some point or another been guilty of mudslinging or unfair accusations, including myself. I distinctly recall being unfair to Niki and 1kiki, though I'd like to think I've mellowed out towards them since then.

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Monday, August 1, 2011 10:05 AM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Byte

When DIRECTLY questioned - TWICE - about the fate of the truly at risk - the old, the sick, children and the disabled - those who cannot just 'pull themselves up by their bootstraps' and survive 'by luck and pluck' on their own without active social help (which now comes nearly completely in the form of government programs) - Rap first ignored the question, then made some fatuous statement about human ingenuity. ie - they get to sink or swim without the government.

Now maybe you are fortunate enough to not know anyone disabled, seriously ill, very old, or very young and in desperate need or on the edge of survival. Good on you. I hope your life stays so blessed. It's the only way I can see how (c)Rappy's callousness about 'those people' got by you.

And if you go back and check the Wisconsin thread, you will find he really, really wants to destroy unions, AND the lives of the people who belong to them.

I'm not being unfair about his positions.

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Monday, August 1, 2011 10:34 AM

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
"... doesn't in any way prove or make the point that I some how lean towards the Niska side of characters ..."

Now, am I the only one here who remembers that (c)Rappy approves of torture; has absolutely no concern for the old, the young, the sick or disabled; just hates it when people loyally band together out of common cause and wants to destroy them (ie unions); and approves of anything, ANYTHING, which makes HIM money especially at someone else's expense?

Waterboarding 3 terrorists isn't 'torture', so no, you don't remember that, because I never was for torture. Nor AM I.

;nice broken sentence you have there. Where is it that I have " absolutely no concern for the old, the young, the sick or disabled" ? Another lie, fabricated out of thin air.

Unions - sorry, you do NOT have a right to other people's money.

And making money at someone else's expense.. a continuation of the lies.

It's easy to vilify others when you make up lie after lie about them. And boy, you sure are good at it.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Monday, August 1, 2011 11:43 AM

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Now maybe you are fortunate enough to not know anyone disabled, seriously ill, very old, or very young and in desperate need or on the edge of survival.Good on you. I hope your life stays so blessed. It's the only way I can see how (c)Rappy's callousness about 'those people' got by you.

I am not so fortunate. Please. Please don't suggest I don't care about them, or that I don't care about the other people I've tried to save, and lost.

Spend some time building someone up into a monster, then yes, it becomes easy to deal with them. The question that defines all of us, what we do, how we act, is are we still willing to see other people as human? If we see their flaws, and the pain they inflict on others, do we still push them out of the way of danger? Do we still try to save them? Perhaps both approaches have their merits.

We are all of us just people we've met on a discussion board, we know very little about how the other people are in reality. And maybe the accusations here everyone has on occasion thrown around are harmless. Maybe they're even accurate.

But maybe, just maybe, they hurt. And maybe, they push someone further along on self-destructive paths. We can't know. When I go too far, I apologize, to try to limit the hurt I cause. I've apologized to you, 1kiki, and I've apologized to Niki.

And maybe, when I try to believe the best in people, even when sometimes I'm disappointed, maybe I'm just trying to do the only thing I can to help make this world not SUCK so much as it does.

Do as you will.

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Monday, August 1, 2011 11:59 AM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Byte

"... are we still willing to see other people as human ..."

I'd like to see all people as human, but I know I don't. The people I know well - yes, human. I would literally give my life for them if it came down to it. Some people I see who I empathize with strongly, yes human. Other people - the random bank teller, the person passing by on the sidewalk, the driver ahead of me - nope, just categories. I think our nature is to be limited in the number of people we accept **as people** into our lives. But (unlike (c)Rappy) I am willing to extend myself in an impersonal way to help others out of policy, the generic 'what goes around comes around' approach. I would go so far as to say this: I would give up everything without qualm if it would guarantee a fair humane world. And then there are people I refuse to deal with b/c they have proven to be a complete fucking waste of my time. It doesn't make them non-human, just pointless. And, when you think about life in general - some unknown span of time is all we are guaranteed. Why would I give up even the smallest part of that for someone like (c)Rappy?

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Monday, August 1, 2011 12:08 PM

America loves a winner!

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And, when you think about life in general - some unknown span of time is all we are guaranteed. Why would I give up even the smallest part of that for someone like (c)Rappy?

And yet, here you are, doing exactly that...

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Monday, August 1, 2011 12:10 PM

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Why would I give up even the smallest part of that for someone like (c)Rappy?

That seems reasonable, I'm just not sure how

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I would go so far as to say this: I would give up everything without qualm if it would guarantee a fair humane world.

can exist without allowing that some people, like AuRaptor, might benefit from it?

I suppose a world can only be as fair as its inception, or the people allowed to be part of it.

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Monday, August 1, 2011 12:11 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Byte, I hope you realize my post to you was part of a conversation with you and not addressed to (c)Rappy. So please take it in that spirit.

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Monday, August 1, 2011 12:17 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

"... can exist without allowing that some people, like AuRaptor, might benefit from it?"

(c)Rappy could not exist in that world. It would mean that everyone is cared for, that some do not benefit at the expense of others, that long-term survival is preferred to short-term extravagance. ie It is a utopia which will sadly never exist. So the existence or non-existence of a person like (c)Rappy and the potential for his benefit or lack of it in a never-to-be world is moot.

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Monday, August 1, 2011 12:23 PM

FREMDFIRMA

When people sell their humanity to an agenda, are they still human ?

-F

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Monday, August 1, 2011 12:24 PM

America loves a winner!

1kiki - I love it how you're obsessed w/ me, yet claim you want nothing to do w/ me.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Monday, August 1, 2011 12:34 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Replying to Geezer because I'm too lazy to break this down, but it's to others too:

Oh, gawd, he's funny sometimes:

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It's YOU who is stuck in the group mentality mindset, of seeing people only as members of this or that group, set, sub-set, etc.

followed immediately by

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You misreading and misrepresenting my view is a standard tactic of the Left

Ooops, seldom do you contradict yourself in just two sentences, Raptor, I think that's a new record for you! Oh, wait, you did it again later:

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The classic Left wing demonizing of anyone who dares to not participate in their utopian, group think paradigm.

No group mentality there, no seeing people only as members of a group, set, subset, etc. You betcha!

Congrats, Sig, on quoting him; I don't save stuff and haven't your or Mike's ability to find stuff, or I'd enjoy throwing what he's said back at him. And I'm glad to hear that crack was a joke, Geezer, 'cuz it doesn't take a "vault"...both of them know how to do searches for specific things, a quality I much admire. If nobody showed what Raptor said in the past, he could pretend to be whatever he wants, different each day. As it is, he leaves so many footprints of his ugliness, it's not hard at all to throw them back in his face. Not that it ever does any good, he just gives out with his usual "you're lying" and goes on his way But the picture you described was funny, I could see it in my mind. Just as it's so easy to see the one of Raptor:

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I'm so much the focus of their vitriolic attention

Mine too, don't forget, and I HAVE agreed with you in the past. You make yourself such a wonderful target (intentionally, I'm guessing) by making such asinine statements and being so nasty about it, few could resist calling you on them.

As to threads where people are advised not to respond to you, that's me, and only me, as far as I'm aware. Sig and Mike LOVE responding to you, it probably gives them some of the best laughs they get all day. I'm the one who's sick to death of your attempts to trigger others and your complete idiocy, and reminds others of the minutes they waste which they'll never get back by treating you as if you WANT to communicate. I don't mind wasting those few minutes, or the ones spent calling you out, I gots lots of minutes to spare, and I don't spend NEARLY the amount of time here that you do, which shows YOU don't mind wasting a lot more of them playing your game here.

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Basically sayin you'd like to kill me, for having my own views

But YOU never mischaracterize or lie about what someone has said, it only happens TO you, right? See previous quote.

Raptor's getting old as entertainment goes, so I'm going to ignore the rest of this little back and forth. I think you guys are in "respond-to-Raptor" mode and are lumping Geezer along with him; I don't see it. But you didn't touch a nerve, Geezer, as I said, they're in "respond-to-Raptor" mode, during which it's possible to mistake what anyone writes as agreeing with him. Part of his game, and all too often it works. Just don't let yourself be caught up in it, please; it's a major pastime for Mike and Sig, but a worthless one.

Frem: You're not alone. Up behind Stanford Univesity used to be a kind of think tank for bright students...it was the first place we played "pong", long before it was made available to the public. Their huge (I mean HUGE) computer-bank room was called "Mordor"--even had a sign on the door saying that! Tolkein lives, and always will!

For a discussion of tsunami, this sure went off track into a personal firestorm. Shame. I don't have anything to say about the tsunami, nor could I BEAR to watch that video (not in favor of raising my blood pressure OR of steam coming out of my ears), so I'll leave you guys to it.

Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off

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Monday, August 1, 2011 12:40 PM

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

When people sell their humanity to an agenda, are they still human ?

-F

"I don't care what you believe in.. just believe in it."

- Shepherd Book

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Monday, August 1, 2011 12:47 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

BYTE

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Spend some time building someone up into a monster, then yes, it becomes easy to deal with them. The question that defines all of us, what we do, how we act, is are we still willing to see other people as human? If we see their flaws, and the pain they inflict on others, do we still push them out of the way of danger? Do we still try to save them? Perhaps both approaches have their merits

Some people ARE monsters. I've spent many many posts talking with rappy when nobody else would, and have given up on him ever changing. It's not that rappy is asocial or in some ways "out of the mainstream". I KNOW "out of the mainstream". Rappy's problem is that he constantly advocates ripping out cooperation and grinding people down. If you don't see that, then you're one of the very few.

They say that people like him operate from a perspective of fear, and that fear drives them to destroy others. Also to kissing the ass of whichever authority they think will make them "safe"... in his case, the wealthy. I see that in rappy, I really do. He was in a complete panic after 9/11 and was ready to destroy as many people as it took for him to feel "safe" again. But at some point, choices create consequences. rappy is lucky that the consequences of his self-centeredness are ONLY that people on a website don't like him, and quire frankly I don't see why anyone would even want to defend him.

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Monday, August 1, 2011 12:50 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

1kiki - I love it how you're obsessed w/ me, yet claim you want nothing to do w/ me.

Lots of that going around, it seems. Hell, Rappy - you and Geezer seem to be in love with ME at the moment, the way y'all troll around after my every post.

Ironically, both of you have claimed in the last year or so that you're done with this place and have left in a huff - only AFTER posting your little bitch-pieces and cry-babying about it to everyone here.

Yet here you both still are, both still refusing to answer questions and claiming that we aren't deserving of your response.

What I see in you two is just two more "right-whingers" who have absolutely nothing of substance to add or offer. And there's not a jot of difference between you.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Monday, August 1, 2011 12:52 PM